ThaVluit:


Henry your 'argument' is dead like someone's future grand child (God bless its soul) . The man said he was INFORMED of something and that he has not verified it. He was then confronted with a counter-argument.

That arrests your whole argument. Will you troll now?

You should know when to draw the line in petty internet insults. It's in bad taste calling people's families.


"South Africa's once-effective air force has new aircraft but cannot afford the fuel and maintenance needed to keep them in the air. Despite this, one element of the air force that did see extensive time in the air was Squadron 21, charged with flying South African VIPs and government ministers. Former defense minister Lindiwe Sisilu booked 203 flights over three years in chartered luxury Gulfstream jets at an estimated cost of $4.5 million. Some 63 of the flights were empty, as they were intended solely to pick the minister up somewhere and take her to another destination in what one opposition critic described as "a staggering waste of money"

While government ministers travel in luxury, the South African Air Force (SAAF) still transports troops in 70-year-old Dakota aircraft. One of these, a Dakota C47TP (an upgraded DC-3 with turbine engines) crashed, claiming 11 lives when it was unable to fly above inclement weather. The crash came shortly after the military decided it could no longer afford a maintenance contract for its military aircraft (SAPA, December 6, 2012; Sunday Times "


You can only succeed in deceiving yourself. We've always known the SAAF has no money to afford aviation fuel.

GreenandGold:


Soon you will be out of ammunition, Obama will make sure you don't have any.

You should be more concerned about affording aviation fuel for your Airforce.

Henry120:


You should know when to draw the line in petty internet insults. It's in bad taste calling people's families.


"South Africa's once-effective air force has new aircraft but cannot afford the fuel and maintenance needed to keep them in the air. Despite this, one element of the air force that did see extensive time in the air was Squadron 21, charged with flying South African VIPs and government ministers. Former defense minister Lindiwe Sisilu booked 203 flights over three years in chartered luxury Gulfstream jets at an estimated cost of $4.5 million. Some 63 of the flights were empty, as they were intended solely to pick the minister up somewhere and take her to another destination in what one opposition critic described as "a staggering waste of money"

While government ministers travel in luxury, the South African Air Force (SAAF) still transports troops in 70-year-old Dakota aircraft. One of these, a Dakota C47TP (an upgraded DC-3 with turbine engines) crashed, claiming 11 lives when it was unable to fly above inclement weather. The crash came shortly after the military decided it could no longer afford a maintenance contract for its military aircraft (SAPA, December 6, 2012; Sunday Times "


You can only succeed in deceiving yourself. We've always known the SAAF has no money to afford aviation fuel.

Is this your way of retracting your initial argument about the equipment not being used? Seems you're spinning and grasping at straws. You were told about our drills, exercises etc where gallons and gallons of fuel were used. Want that repeated?

Don't start a mini-storm to try and cloud the real issues.

GreenandGold:


Whatever makes you feel better at night in your terrorist infested nation.

More like your filthy HIV/Aids and murder capital country.

ThaVluit:


Is this your way of retracting your initial argument about the equipment not being used? Seems you're spinning and grasping at straws. You were told about our drills, exercises etc where gallons and gallons of fuel were used. Want that repeated?

Don't start a mini-storm to try and cloud the real issues.

Naah, it's a further confirmation that you lack aviation fuel.

Henry120:


More like your filthy HIV/Aids and murder capital country.

Dude, you've crossed over to butthutville. I leave you in peace to allow your time to defeat the demons overpowering you at this time.

Henry120:


We've already ordered over 35 helicopters from Russia and belarus. You government would soon start pleading for mercy again, as was the case in the yellow fever.

South-Africa has and would continue to be an irrelevant, insignificant country on this continent. Your government in fear has already admitted the $9.5m is legitimate.

You're going to get further owned.

Hahaha irrelevant?

BRICS memebership shows who is relevant and whom is irrelevant - the Russians and Chiense know who is top dog in Africa

Good lord what a clown

Henry120:


You should know when to draw the line in petty internet insults. It's in bad taste calling people's families.


"South Africa's once-effective air force has new aircraft but cannot afford the fuel and maintenance needed to keep them in the air. Despite this, one element of the air force that did see extensive time in the air was Squadron 21, charged with flying South African VIPs and government ministers. Former defense minister Lindiwe Sisilu booked 203 flights over three years in chartered luxury Gulfstream jets at an estimated cost of $4.5 million. Some 63 of the flights were empty, as they were intended solely to pick the minister up somewhere and take her to another destination in what one opposition critic described as "a staggering waste of money"

While government ministers travel in luxury, the South African Air Force (SAAF) still transports troops in 70-year-old Dakota aircraft. One of these, a Dakota C47TP (an upgraded DC-3 with turbine engines) crashed, claiming 11 lives when it was unable to fly above inclement weather. The crash came shortly after the military decided it could no longer afford a maintenance contract for its military aircraft (SAPA, December 6, 2012; Sunday Times "


You can only succeed in deceiving yourself. We've always known the SAAF has no money to afford aviation fuel.

Posting an opinion peice over and over doesn't make it true

It just shows that you have no argument

ThaVluit:


Dude, you've crossed over to butthutville. I leave you in peace to allow your time to defeat the demons overpowering you at this time.

;;DD LOL. You should ask greenandgold to stick to military stuffs.

Henry120:


More like your filthy HIV/Aids and murder capital country.

More Nigerians live in poverty than there are South Africans

Hence, you are the dirty ones

patches689:


Posting an opinion peice over and over doesn't make it true

It just shows that you have no argument

What isn't true? The fact you fly a 70 years old Dakota for MP duties or you lack aviation fuel?

ThaVluit:


Dude, you've crossed over to butthutville. I leave you in peace to allow your time to defeat the demons overpowering you at this time.

What?

You say we have no aviation fuel

We show you have much flying the airforce does

And you say that is proof we don't have aviation fuel?

Are you having another breakdown?

patches689:

More Nigerians live in poverty than there are South Africans

Hence, you are the dirty ones

33% Nigerians.

In south-africa, only 15% black south-africans are in middle class. 85% of the black population are dirty poor filthy HIV carriers.

Henry120:


What isn't true? The fact you fly a 70 years old Dakota for MP duties or you lack aviation fuel?

Both

You should probably go read about the DAKs before you talk about them

Also want to point out that in the same sentance you say we lack aviation fuel... And also talk about our planes flying MP duties

That's some pretty impressive cognitive dissonance

Henry120:


33% Nigerians.

In south-africa, only 15% black south-africans are in middle class. 85% of the black population are dirty poor filthy HIV carriers.

Nope

Poor =\= poverty

A poor South African would slot neatly into the nigerian middle class

Also, leave race at the door please.

patches689:


What?

You say we have no aviation fuel

We show you have much flying the airforce does

And you say that is proof we don't have aviation fuel?

Are you having another breakdown?

Apparently you are. Quoting thavuilt shows you are currently having a terrible breakdown.

Patches, go and have a rest.

Henry120:


Apparently you are. Quoting thavuilt shows you are currently having a terrible breakdown.

Patches, go and have a rest.

Nice sidestep

Respond to the crux of my post

patches689:


Nope

Poor =\= poverty

A poor South African would slot neatly into the nigerian middle class

Also, leave race at the door please.

Aren't there multiply races in south-africa? Aren't you the rainbow nation?

Nope, all you do is sit around, lazing all over the place claiming Nigerians are taking your women and jobs.

85% of black south-africans live in poverty. Fact.

patches689:


Nice sidestep

Respond to the crux of my post

After you've fully recovered from your breakdown.

Henry120:

85% of black south-africans live in poverty. Fact.

Poverty levels dropped in South Africa between 2006 and 2011, reaching a low of 20.2% for extreme poverty and of 45.5% for moderate poverty, according to the Poverty Trends in South Africa report released by Statistics SA on Thursday.

Read more: http://www.southafrica.info/about/social/poverty-040414.htm#.VDZ8tfmSySo#ixzz3FeL07MkQ

So that is not near 85%

So tell me, are you a liar or simply delusional?

While in comparison:

The National Bureau of Statistics said 60.9% of Nigerians in 2010 were living in "absolute poverty" - this figure had risen from 54.7% in 2004.
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-17015873

Henry120:


After you've fully recovered from your breakdown.

Stop slinging insults and answer the question

Henry120:


Aren't there multiply races in south-africa? Aren't you the rainbow nation?

Nope, all you do is sit around, lazing all over the place claiming Nigerians are taking your women and jobs.

85% of black south-africans live in poverty. Fact.

First, the only things Nigerians in South Africa are doing is fulling up our prison cells and "swallowing" our bullets

Second, why are you bringing race into the topic? Trying to muddy the waters? Derail the argument?

MikeZA:
Keep them coming.

This further proves SA doesn't need Nigeria,but you need us.

There is NOTHING South Africa produces that Nigeria cannot get from China, Israel, India, Ukraine, Russia...cheaper and better.

You have lost a major potential arms deal by your foolishness, Nigeria has signed a new ALL ASPECTS weapons deal with Russia...

South Africa is the loser, big loser, you should have allowed Nigeria to test your weapons against Boko Haram and help you market them worldwide as battle tested weapons, but your backward thinking has made you forget how the game of marketing by evidence works.

Nation of ANC fools

http://www.vanguardngr.com/2014/09/boko-haram-fg-turns-russia-china-usa-uk-fail-nigeria/

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CraigB:


Who's the primate?

You
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Patchesagain:


Second, why are you bringing race into the topic? Trying to muddy the waters? Derail the argument?

His argument died. So he's grieving bitterly and venting against those who murdered it.

CraigB:
Rubbish military

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/nigeria-boko-haram-torch-185-churches-captured-towns-borno-adamawa-1468763

A prominent Nigerian reverend has revealed Islamist terror group Boko Haram destroyed over 180 churches in the West African country following its capture of towns and villages in the north-eastern states of Borno and Adamawa.

Reverend Gideon Obasogie, the director of Catholic Social Communication of Maiduguri Diocese in Borno State, said the group's seizure of territory in both states has seen 185 churches torched and over 190,000 people displaced by their insurgency.

In his statement, Obasogie said Boko Haram's "ransacking and torching" of churches had forced priests to leave their homes for two months while displaced civilians were still unable to return to their towns and villages.

Old expired news, a summary of events that happened in the past 2 years gone by, old news, no longer relevant.

Anyway, here is the latest for this week...

http://www.vanguardngr.com/2014/10/400-boko-haram-insurgents-killed-battle-retake-bazza-michika-madagali/

PHOTO : REMINDER OF SHEKAU'S DEATH BY NIGERIAN ARMY BULLET, SEE HIS ASSISTANT, WE CUT OFF HIS D..I..C..K
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agaugust:


There is NOTHING South Africa produces that Nigeria cannot get from China, Israel, India, Ukraine, Russia...cheaper and better.

You have lost a major potential arms deal by your foolishness, Nigeria has signed a new ALL ASPECTS weapons deal with Russia...

South Africa is the loser, big loser, you should have allowed Nigeria to test your weapons against Boko Haram and help you market them worldwide as battle tested weapons, but your backward thinking has made you forget how the game of marketing by evidence works.

Nation of ANC fools

http://www.vanguardngr.com/2014/09/boko-haram-fg-turns-russia-china-usa-uk-fail-nigeria/

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On the contrary, it is Nigeria that lost deals through its own foolishness. The only reason Nigeria struggles to buy weapons is because its soldiers kill civilians and police torture people. And then there's the lack of refinement on issues diplomatic.

agaugust:


Old expired news, no wonder you could not post the date of your old story.

Anyway, here is the latest for this week...

http://www.vanguardngr.com/2014/10/400-boko-haram-insurgents-killed-battle-retake-bazza-michika-madagali/

PHOTO : REMINDER OF SHEKAU'S DEATH BY NIGERIAN ARMY RIFLE, SEE HIS ASSISTANT, WE CUT OFF HIS D..I..C..K
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Dude your pictures say you are desperate and only have shock tactics left in your arsenal.

agaugust:


There is NOTHING South Africa produces that Nigeria cannot get from China, Israel, India, Ukraine, Russia...cheaper and better.

You have lost a major potential arms deal by your foolishness, Nigeria has signed a new ALL ASPECTS weapons deal with Russia...

South Africa is the loser, big loser, you should have allowed Nigeria to test your weapons against Boko Haram and help you market them worldwide as battle tested weapons, but your backward thinking has made you forget how the game of marketing by evidence works.

Nation of ANC fools

http://www.vanguardngr.com/2014/09/boko-haram-fg-turns-russia-china-usa-uk-fail-nigeria/

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you realize that we are in the worlds top 20 weapons sellers?

If there is anything we are good at... its selling arms.

Plus, you cannot really afford our "un-tested" weapons.

South Africans entertaining fellow Saffas at the mall this very moment. Nice being us.

Henry120 post=26991774

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Agaugust, chris369, patches689, MikeZA, greenandgold, naijapikingidi, dievuilt

The Uselessness of the SANDF.


[size=16pt]South Africa’s Arms Deal Toys Rotting

October 9, 2014 [/size]


Weapons acquired during the 1999 arms deal are not being used and are becoming derelict, the Seriti Commission of Inquiry heard on Tuesday (October 7, 2014).

“With regards to the 30 Augusta helicopters purchased from Italy, I am informed that many of them are in storage and unused or rotting at Ysterplaat Air Force Base in Cape Town,” arms deal critic Terry Crawford-Browne told the inquiry’s hearings in Pretoria.

“Accordingly, I invite the commission’s members to inspect Ysterplaat, to see for themselves how many there are in their state of airworthiness.”

He said government acquired four frigates that were reportedly equipped with defective engines and an obsolete combat suite and armoury system.

“South Africa acquired three submarines that spend most of the time on the ‘hard’ at Simon’s Town and 50 BAE Hawk and BAE/Saab Gripen fighter aircraft for which the country had almost no pilots to fly them, mechanics to maintain them, or even the money to fuel them.

“The arms deal was a confidence trick played at huge socio-economic cost to the people of South Africa, which has seriously undermined our still-fragile constitutional democracy,” said Crawford-Browne.

The commission was appointed by President Jacob Zuma three years ago to investigate alleged corruption in the arms procurement deal in 1999.

For billions of rands government acquired, among other hardware, 26 Gripen fighter aircraft and 24 Hawk lead-in fighter trainer aircraft for the air force, and frigates and submarines for the navy.

Crawford-Browne said former deputy defence minister Nozizwe Madlala-Routledge was told by senior navy officials that the country had bought the wrong equipment.

“Ms Madlala-Routledge has by e-mail authorised me to reveal this,” he said.

Madlala-Routledge was deputy defence minister from 1999 to April 2004 and deputy health minister from April 2004 to August 2007.

Crawford-Browne said billions spent on these purchases could have been used to improve the lives of South Africans.

“While millions of South Africans struggle daily with the legacies of apartheid and poverty, these men childishly expounded about their pride in so-called toys for boys and other irrelevances,” he said in his affidavit to the inquiry.

“Astonishingly, a purported justification for the acquisition of the BAE Gripen warplanes included protection for the 2010 World Cup.”

The inquiry continues.

As reported by South African Press Association


#bookmarked !

[size=16pt]SANDF....Most Foolish Military In Africa...[/size]

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patches689:


That is the testimony of a vehemently anti-arms deal critic, obviously it is biased as hell

He is a filthy pacifist that says even having an army is unconstitutional and that we should disband the SANDF and only have border guards and a coast guard.

His opinion is worthless. And he will be exposed under cross-examination.

For example he says we have no pilots for the Gripen and Hawks - yet we currently have a total of 60

The other anti-arms deal activists withdrew form the commission because they know that they have no case. Especially after Navy and Airforce officers blew the "wrong equipment" argument out of the water

80% of SANDF jets, helicopters, ships, and submarines are NOT operational as at today, proved by your own country's insiders.

Butt hurt
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