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Re: The Quran Testifies: David And Elizabeth Worshiped Jesus As God! by Abdulsalam20(m): 7:48pm On Oct 09, 2014 |
Emusan: lolz i will quote in hebrew for you and will give you a link for translation you can verify the verse you self כי ככה אהב האלהים את העולם עד אשר נתן את בנו את יחידו למען לא יאבד כל המאמין בו כי אם יחיה חיי עולמים׃ paste it in this translator; www.imtranslator.net/translation/hebrew/to-english/translation/ DID YOU SEE BEGOT THERE? THE RSV ARE JUST LOYAL I THINK YOU DONT EVEN KNOW THE MEANING OF BEGOTING IT IS ANOTHER WORD FOR SEXUAL REPROSUCTION BEGOT; verb (used with object), begot or (Archaic ) begat; begotten or begot; begetting. (especially of a male parent) to procreate or generate (offspring). dictionary.reference.com/browse/beget DID THIS TALLY WITH YOUR CLAIM? YOU BETTER FOLLOW THE TRUTH |
Re: The Quran Testifies: David And Elizabeth Worshiped Jesus As God! by Abdulsalam20(m): 7:51pm On Oct 09, 2014 |
malvisguy212: I BELIEVE IN CHRIST MORE THAN YOU WE MUSLIM LOVE HIM WE RESPET HIM BECAUSE HE IS A PROPHET BUT WE NEVER WORSHIP HIM BECAUSE HE IS NOT GOD BEFORE I PROVE YOU TO BE AN ANTICHRIST I WANT U YOU TO SAY IT AGAIN FOR ME TO VERIFY ARE YOU AN ANTICHRIST OR NOT? |
Re: The Quran Testifies: David And Elizabeth Worshiped Jesus As God! by Abdulsalam20(m): 7:53pm On Oct 09, 2014 |
MALVISGUY I HAVE PROVE YOU WRONG CONCERNING QURAN 5:101 YOU POSTED U AVE NOTHING TO SAY THAN TO INSULT I EXPECT YOU TOSTAND ON YOUR FALSE CLAIM |
Re: The Quran Testifies: David And Elizabeth Worshiped Jesus As God! by ArtanK(m): 8:01pm On Oct 09, 2014 |
malvisguy212: I'll repeat everything is from Allah including the spirit of Jesus Christ. That itself explains "a spirit from Him" because it was created by Allah. Islamic Scholars often compare the creation of Adam with the creation of Jesus Christ simply because both of them were created in an unusual way. He says to it: ‘Be’ and it is!” (Qur'an 40:68). Jesus Christ is the word of Allah and his spirit was from Allah. There is no need to change the meaning of this verse. You are vehemently trying to force your opinion when verse 4:171 denies that Jesus is the Son of God but affirms that Jesus is the word of Allah. "And they say, "The Most Merciful has taken [for Himself] a son." You have done an atrocious thing. The heavens almost rupture therefrom and the earth splits open and the mountains collapse in devastation That they attribute to the Most Merciful a son. And it is not appropriate for the Most Merciful that He should take a son. There is no one in the heavens and earth but that he comes to the Most Merciful as a servant." [Qur'an 19:88-93] Say, "I am only a man like you, to whom has been revealed that your god is one God. So whoever would hope for the meeting with his Lord - let him do righteous work and not associate in the worship of his Lord anyone." [Qur'an 18:110} |
Re: The Quran Testifies: David And Elizabeth Worshiped Jesus As God! by ArtanK(m): 8:04pm On Oct 09, 2014 |
Abdulsalam20: Wa iyak, I'll leave you to them. 1 Like |
Re: The Quran Testifies: David And Elizabeth Worshiped Jesus As God! by malvisguy212: 8:57pm On Oct 09, 2014 |
Abdulsalam20:do you know the meaning of christ?saviuor,save you from what? Ignnorence muslims. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: The Quran Testifies: David And Elizabeth Worshiped Jesus As God! by malvisguy212: 9:29pm On Oct 09, 2014 |
ArtanK:you are trying to say allah created his own spirit.if we are to agree with you.then adam shuld be called word of God.in the bible the reason of the virgin birth was giving to mary. Luke 1:30-35: And the angel said to her: “Do not be afraid, Mary, for you have found favor with God. Behold! You will conceive in your womb and bear a son, and you are to call his name Jesus. This one will be great and will be called Son of the Most High; and the Lord God will give him the throne of David his father, and he will rule as king over the house of Jacob forever, and there will be no end of his kingdom.” But Mary said to the angel: “How is this to be, since I am a virgin?” In answer the angel said to her: “Holy spirit will come upon you and POWER of the Most High will OVERSHADOW you. Therefore the child to be born will be called holy — the Son of God.” but in the quran the reason of mary virgin birth was not giving to her,what the angel was trying to say was"have you forgoting how allah created man?any he created he say BE and it is" Surah 3:45-47: Behold! the angels said: “O Mary! God giveth thee glad tidings of a Word from Him: his name will be Christ Jesus, the son of Mary, held in honour in this world and the Hereafter and of (the company of) those nearest to God…She said: “O my Lord! How shall I have a son when no man hath touched me?” He said: “Even so: God createth what He willeth: When He hath decreed a plan, He but saith to it, ‘BE,’ and it is! (Yusuf Ali) what the angel is saying is the virgin birth is God manifest his creative work. To deny that God does anything without a purpose behind it amounts to a denial of God himself. (Surah 38:27) In the Qur’an, it is the very absence of such a clearly defined purpose in the unique conception of Jesus, which perplexes the seeker of truth as to the meaning behind this miraculous birth. Being born of a virgin-woman, Jesus had an exceptional and unique beginning to his life on earth. As he was the only man in all human history to come into the world in this unusual way, we cannot be satisfied with the Qur’an’s summary declaration that it was no more than just an exercise of God’s power. The Qur’an teaches that the virgin-birth of Jesus was simply a manifestation of God’s power. Surah 3:47: “She said: My Lord! How can I have a child when no mortal hath touched me? He said: So it will be. Allah createth what He will. If he decreeth a thing, He saith unto it only: Be! And it is.” (Pickthall). The truth of the matter is that the virgin-birth of Jesus Christ was not a random manifestation of God’s creative power as implied in the Qur’an. While the fact that it was brought about by the power of God is without any doubt, however, this in itself does not explain its meaning or purpose. God will not do this witout a reason,he want us to adopt the nature of godliness in jesus so that we will be sinless like him. 1 Like |
Re: The Quran Testifies: David And Elizabeth Worshiped Jesus As God! by adepiero: 11:39pm On Oct 09, 2014 |
davien:No talk bad about Islam or Muslims again for you life. 1 Like |
Re: The Quran Testifies: David And Elizabeth Worshiped Jesus As God! by davien(m): 12:00am On Oct 10, 2014 |
adepiero:keep mute religitard cretin....islam is a religion of barbaric chauvinistic s3x crazed "god and gods" that are heavily blood lust.... |
Re: The Quran Testifies: David And Elizabeth Worshiped Jesus As God! by adepiero: 12:41am On Oct 10, 2014 |
davien:Fvcktard with idle ambition. you have a perfect religion where pastors impregnate and desecrate the church all in the name of worship. you worship humans like yourself, give them your hard earned money as tithe! they grow fat and you remain hungry. yet your foolish caged mind won't advice you to seek help. your religion is a scam!! and your leaders are thieves 1 Like |
Re: The Quran Testifies: David And Elizabeth Worshiped Jesus As God! by davien(m): 12:44am On Oct 10, 2014 |
adepiero:lol...i have no religion....perhaps muhammed the r4pist might have informed you in a delusion if you weren't that high enough |
Re: The Quran Testifies: David And Elizabeth Worshiped Jesus As God! by Abdulsalam20(m): 7:27am On Oct 10, 2014 |
malvisguy212: i can see you are totally confused i thought you will prove me wrong when i say jesus is a servant of God please read my other posts you will believe me that you are totally wrong and ; christian salvation is false just prove me wrong u c never ! now you said jesus was born by a virgin that makes him miraculous what of adam our forefather who has no father and has no mother like i said before he should be a greeater God! there is nothing like original sin i have prove that to you also if it is moracle that is one of the gift ALLAH always give to his prophets even prophet muhammad perform miracles is it the splittimg of the moon or the replacement of eye i wont go deep i will just educate you THERE ARE MANY PROPHET THAT PERFORM MIRQCLE THAN JESUS IN THE BIBLE YET THEY NEVER CLAIM DIVINITY EVEN JESUS NEVER DID 1. Anyway, Let us look at the following verses from the Bible that refute the uniqueness of Jesus' Miracles: Bringing the dead back to life: "Then he cried out to the LORD , "O LORD my God, have you brought tragedy also upon this widow I am staying with, by causing her son to die? " Then he stretched himself out on the boy three times and cried to the LORD , "O LORD my God, let this boy's life return to him!" The LORD heard Elijah's cry, and the boy's life returned to him, and he lived. Elijah picked up the child and carried him down from the room into the house. He gave him to his mother and said, "Look, your son is alive!" (From the NIV Bible, 1 Kings 17:20-23) " 2. Jesus' dead body never caused for any dead to come back to life, but Elisha's did: "Elisha died and was buried. Now Moabite raiders used to enter the country every spring. Once while some Israelites were burying a man, suddenly they saw a band of raiders; so they threw the man's body into Elisha's tomb. When the body touched Elisha's bones, the man came to life and stood up on his feet. Hazael king of Aram oppressed Israel throughout the reign of Jehoahaz. (From the NIV Bible, 2 Kings 13:20-22) " 3. Creating life: Jesus only restored life, but never actually created one from scratch. Moses, however, did create a live snake from a wooden stick: "Then the LORD said to him, "What is that in your hand?" "A staff," he replied. The LORD said, "Throw it on the ground." Moses threw it on the ground and it became a snake, and he ran from it. Then the LORD said to him, "Reach out your hand and take it by the tail." So Moses reached out and took hold of the snake and it turned back into a staff in his hand. (From the NIV Bible, Exodus 4:2-4) " 4. Feeding hundreds with few loafs of bread: "A man came from Baal Shalishah, bringing the man of God twenty loaves of barley bread baked from the first ripe grain, along with some heads of new grain. "Give it to the people to eat," Elisha said. "How can I set this before a hundred men?" his servant asked. But Elisha answered, "Give it to the people to eat. For this is what the LORD says: 'They will eat and have some left over.' " Then he set it before them, and they ate and had some left over, according to the word of the LORD. (From the NIV Bible, 2 Kings 4:42-44) " :-) So as we clearly see from the above verses, Jesus' Miracles were not unique. Therefore, they can never be used to prove that he is the Creator of the Universe. malvisguy thîiiiink i like you that is why i am caling yôy tô the trûth jesus mîracle is nothîng cômpàrèd to others 2 Likes |
Re: The Quran Testifies: David And Elizabeth Worshiped Jesus As God! by malvisguy212: 7:40am On Oct 10, 2014 |
Abdusalam20.replying you is a wast of time,you dont know how to debate,i state that the quran did not give reason of the virgin birth,what you type is difference,way out of line,when you want to debate stay on one subject let discuse it before moving ,if you cant do it,please dont reply me.thank you |
Re: The Quran Testifies: David And Elizabeth Worshiped Jesus As God! by Abdulsalam20(m): 8:00am On Oct 10, 2014 |
malvisguy212 you SAID i am an antichrist let me tell you quran honour jesus more than christian wlove him we respect him for you to know how much we honour prophets we always say peace be upon tm any time we mention their name Now i am going to prove to you that paul is an antichrist since you follow paul even more than jesus paul is an antichrist; [b] Jesus Forbade the Gentiles: These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into [any] city of the Samaritans enter ye not: But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel. (Matthew 10:5-6) But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel. (Matthew 15:24) Paul rejected this command of NOT preaching to the Gentiles, they were restricted. Paul openly preached among the Gentiles, a totally different religion: For I speak to you Gentiles, inasmuch as I am the apostle of the Gentiles, I magnify mine office: (Romans 11:13) 2 Jesus Said: Keep the Sabbath ( Mark 2:27 ), circumcise male children ( Luke 2:21 ), Paul Said: Circumcision is not necessary ( Romans 2:26 ) that is going against what the Christ said in Luke 2:21 . 3. In 1 Corinthians 15: 1 Paul says that he was not giving them anything but what “he preached.” He explained this even further in the second book (or letter) to the Corinthians ( 2 Corinthians 11:17 ). It reads - “That which I speak, I speak it not after the Lord, but as it were foolishly, in this confidence of boasting.” He's telling you plain and simple he was speaking of himself and not from or of the Lord!" 4. Paul condemned Jesus and His disciples for false teachings, he condemned Jesus Himself for having long hair in 1 Corinthians 11:14 , something approved in Numbers 6:5 and Judges 13:5 . 5. Jesus did not do away with the Mosaic law (Matthew 5:17). There is not any thing of the Mosaic law that needed to be done away with because Jesus says the Mosaic law is fulfilled by loving God and loving neighbor as self (Matthew 22:34-40). The lunatic man of Satan, false apostle and the antiChrist, Pharisee Paul/Saul of Tarsus, says the Mosaic law was done away with (Colossians 2:14). The Lunatic Paul says the Mosaic law was done away with because all flesh is captive to a so-called “law of sin” and therefore the body does evil (Romans 7:16-25). As ridiculous as that sounds, that is the Lunatic’s premise for why the Mosaic law was nailed to the cross. 6. Jesus: "DO NOT CALL ANYONE ON EARTH YOUR FATHER; for ONE IS YOUR FATHER, HE who is in heaven" (Matthew 23:9) The devil 'PAUL' BLASPEMOUSLY BOASTED "For I BECAME YOUR FATHER" (1 Corinthians 4:15) 8. JESUS said " THIS GOSPEL OF THE KINGDOM will be PREACHED, IN MY NAME in all the world (Matt.24:14). 'PAUL' CAME preaching, by his own admission, ANOTHER GOSPEL PROMOTING LAWLESSNESS and LICENTIOUSNESS therefore followers of paul are antichrist 2 Likes |
Re: The Quran Testifies: David And Elizabeth Worshiped Jesus As God! by Abdulsalam20(m): 8:02am On Oct 10, 2014 |
malvisguy212: i have answered and my brothers also have answer it so what else did i want to say mr antichrist read all my post if you want to learn |
Re: The Quran Testifies: David And Elizabeth Worshiped Jesus As God! by Abdulsalam20(m): 8:14am On Oct 10, 2014 |
malvisguy212 *jesus pray by owing down his head christian pray by dancing singing and drumming(pls how many christian bow down their head) *jesus forbid women to talk in church but now christians organise choir infact ladies are now pastors *jesus leave his beard no christian do that only muslims do that but the only thing christian do is to laugh at them *jesus forbid charging of interest when we try to establish islamic banking with interest free loan can oppose it *jesus order female to cover their hair if u go to churches you will see women with their hair open some with handkechief and some with hat which only cover half of the hair when aregbesola raise the issue of using hijaab in osun state schools infact he didnt say it is compulsor he said who so wsh......but unfortunately can opposed it....infact in lagos state it is yet to be implemented due to can disagreement *jesu worship the one and only true god but you mis inter pret him now you are worshiping three gods *it is clear in the bible that we should to go hajj(mekkah) and that jerusalem is no more holy bt you people feel reluctant i created a thread for it nobody could defend it what they do is to derail *jesus surrender to god totally but u didnt u associate partner with god *jesus forbid eating pork most christian eat it but only mslims never eat it *jesus is a prophet of god but you call him god(i have already prove this for u jeus isnot dead but u say he is dead please check my profile for detail #jesus circumcised on the eigth day only muslim do that christians never jesus say we should nt eat pork only muslim dont christian eat pork all christian are antichrist only muslim are the true christian we are even christian more than the christian them selve............defend your false religion and reply malvisguy 2 Likes |
Re: The Quran Testifies: David And Elizabeth Worshiped Jesus As God! by malvisguy212: 8:43am On Oct 10, 2014 |
Abdulsalam20:i say the quran did not state the reason of mary virgin birth,instead of you to prove me wrong,you bring a difference subject about elijah. Thank you for your time,have a nice day. |
Re: The Quran Testifies: David And Elizabeth Worshiped Jesus As God! by malvisguy212: 8:53am On Oct 10, 2014 |
Abdulsalam20:when the satanic verse were reaveal,muhammad bow together with the pagan.dos that mean the pagan are muslims?,this will be my last reply to you. MUHAMMAD AS A PROPHET Muhammad’s father’s name was AbduAllah (Abdullai) and his mother’s name was Aminah. His grandfather’s name was Muttalib. They were idol worshipers. A careful study of islam brought by Muhammad reveals that it is a continuation of his father’s idol worship even though they said islam is against any form of idol worship. Islam is not idol worship on the pages of quran but it is in truth and practice. Let us examine islamic mode of worship: 1. TAWAF BETWEEN SAFA AND MARWA Doing Tawaf between Safa and Marwa is an Islamic ritual associated with the pilgrimage to Mecca. Safa and Marwa are two mounts, located at Mecca. This ritual entails Muslims walking frantically between the two mounts, seven times. This was originally a pagan pre-Islamic practice. Muhammad retained it for Islam, sanctioning it with yet another Qur'anic revelations. Narrated 'Asim: I asked Anas bin Malik: "Did you use to dislike to perform Tawaf between Safa and Marwa?" He said, "Yes, AS IT WAS THE CEREMONIES OF THE DAYS OF PRE-ISLAMIC PERIOD OF IGNORANCE TILL Allah REVEALED 'Verily! (The two mountains) As-Safa and Al- Marwa are among the symbols of Allah. It is therefore no sin for him who performs the pilgrimage to the Ka'ba, or performs 'Umra, to perform Tawaf between them.' " (Quran 2.158) (Sahih Bukhari 2:26:710) You can see from the above hadith that what was being practiced by idol worshipers before islam was incorporated into it. I mean islam continues with the ways of idol worshipers. 2. REQUIREMENT OF IHRAM Ihram is a state a Muslim enters into for his pilgrimage to Mecca. It involves a series of procedures like ritual washing, wearing 'Ihram garments', etc. Ihram was originally a pagan requirement for worshipping idols during pre-Islamic times. Muhammad retained this practice for Islam. Muslims assume Ihram to perform the Hajj or Umrah. Narrated 'Urwa: I asked 'Aisha : ...But in fact, this divine inspiration was revealed concerning the Ansar who used to assume “Ihram” for worshipping an idol called “Manat” which they used to worship at a place called Al-Mushallal before they embraced Islam, and whoever assumed Ihram (for the idol), would consider it not right to perform Tawaf between Safa and Marwa. (Sahih Bukhari 2:26:706) They continued their pagan ways of worship even when they embraced islam. 3. PRAYING 5 TIMES TOWARDS MECCA Pagans prior to Islam would pray five times per day towards Mecca. Muhammad retained for Islam, this pre-Islamic practice, sanctioning it with a story of a night trip to heaven on a mythical beast called al- Buraq. In heaven, the Hadith tells us that Allah demanded 50 prayers per day per Muslim. Upon advice from Moses, Muhammed bargains with Allah and successfully reduces it to five prayers per day. Zoroastrians are also expected to recite their (kusti) prayers at least five times a day. |
Re: The Quran Testifies: David And Elizabeth Worshiped Jesus As God! by Abdulsalam20(m): 9:37am On Oct 10, 2014 |
malvisguy212: i think you have sight problem read the other brother post it really fimish you and this verse also will educate u more “Surely in that is a sign for you, if you are believers.” (Quran 3:49) i.e if you disbelieve in what god can do These miracles were performed only by the Will of God, had he not willed them to occur, they could never come to be. God explicitly states this in the Quran, saying that they were: “…by the permission of God” (Quran 3:49; 5:10) “A man attested to you by God with miracles and wonders and signs which God performed through him in your midst.” (Acts 2:22) The Qur'an says, “And (appoint him) an apostle to the Children of Israel, (with this message)” (3:49). It also says, “O Children of Israel! I am the apostle of Allah (sent) to you.” (61:6) Also, it discusses the various Israelite prophets saying, “And in their footsteps We sent Jesus the son of Mary, confirming the Law that had come before him.” (5:46) Therefore, the Qur’an is very clear on what the mission of Jesus was, and the information found in The New Testament itself attests to this fact...........your religion os baseless man 2 Likes |
Re: The Quran Testifies: David And Elizabeth Worshiped Jesus As God! by Abdulsalam20(m): 9:55am On Oct 10, 2014 |
malvisguy212: i laugh at your ignorance i have answer your so called satanoc verse before in a thread ........bt u can post it here i will educate u on it again your second point; muhammad continue the religion of his father that is a big lie u should have learn before speaking but i will educate you on it infact what you posted is very funny like you know arabs are descendant of ismaheel and abraham is the father of islam he build the kaaba in makkah along side his child ismaheel and that is why going to hajj is prescribed for you in the bible and you didnt follow it nobody have ever prove it wrong like i said arabs are descedant of ismaheel islam has been in existence before the era of muhammad people practice islam but after the death of ibrahim and ismaheel people change their mode of worship they associate partner with god they started associating parner with god but you will wonder why his fther is named abdullah(servant of god) they are practicing islam but associate partner with god just like what you christian are doing by worshiping idol and that is why parent of muhammad die as kufr becae they change what is called islam when muhammad come he restored back the real faith islam and i can prove my self using the bible u are told to go to hajj but u refûse in addition tomy post on going to hajj in the bible take this In the Old Testament.... Pharaoh asked him, How old are you? And Jacob said to Pharaoh, the years of my pilgrimage are a hundred and thirty. My years have been few and difficult, and they do not equal the years of the pilgrimage of my fathers . (Genesis 47:8-9, NIV Bible) In both cases, the word `pilgrimage' alludes to the same meaning, i.e. years indicating a well known fact that pilgrimage is an annual event. Other translations of the Bible use the word `sojourning' and `wayfaring' in place of `pilgrimage' (The Holy Scriptures, Jewish Publication Society, 1916 and The New American Bible, Catholic Book Publishing, 1977 respectively). They may have kept the same understanding (i.e. `year') but in so doing, they have inadvertently obscured the fact that pilgrimage already was a well known annual event during the time of Jacob and the Pharaoh 2. In the Bible (Genesis 18:16-33), we read that Abraham had a conversation with God where he tried to understand God's forgiveness and mercy. The place where Abraham stood (Genesis 19:27) is called makom Abrahem in Hebrew. More specifically, the rabbinical understanding of makom Abrahem is that this is the same place in which Abraham was about to sacrifice his own son until God intervened (see Genesis 22:4, 9, 14). It was believed that on this place Solomon built the holiest of the Jewish shrine, the Temple of the Mount. (It was eventually destroyed by the king of Babylon; on this very same spot in what was already known as Jerusalem the Ummayad finally built Masjid Al-Aqsa, which is still standing today). The concept of maqam Ibrahim is also found in the Quran. The place inside the Ka'ba in Mecca where Abraham stood and prayed for guidance is called maqam Ibrahim or `the station of Abraham' in the Quran 3:96 , as the following verses make clear: i still hàve more proof but battle this smàll oñes first 3 Likes |
Re: The Quran Testifies: David And Elizabeth Worshiped Jesus As God! by Abdulsalam20(m): 10:16am On Oct 10, 2014 |
malvisguy212 and emusan where are you i expect you to stand on your claim that muslim are antichrist and emusan you have believe now that begotten is a fabrication let me tell you religion should nt be something you practice because you are born in it it should be what u practice because u consider it a way pls come and prove me wrong that christian are not antichrist |
Re: The Quran Testifies: David And Elizabeth Worshiped Jesus As God! by Rilwayne001: 1:25pm On Oct 10, 2014 |
Emusan: This is the initial claim of the OP BraveGuy: and here is my reply which none of you are yet to attempt. This is that the Quran says Was Jesus refering to himself in my MARK If not then who is the ONE AND ONLY LORD |
Re: The Quran Testifies: David And Elizabeth Worshiped Jesus As God! by udatso: 3:51pm On Oct 10, 2014 |
malvisguy212:this is an error that needs to be corrected . and I will get back to you soon |
Re: The Quran Testifies: David And Elizabeth Worshiped Jesus As God! by udatso: 4:08pm On Oct 10, 2014 |
udatso:"I and the Father are one" John 10:30 is often quoted to show that Jesus is equal to God. But when you read the verse in its context you will find that the passage taken as a whole proves the opposite. People are often content to quote the verse in isolation to show that Jesus said "1 and the Father are one" and then the Jews picked up stones to stone him because they understood him to mean that he is claiming to be God. It is only when you read the passage to see what comes before and after this verse that you will realize that the Jews misunderstood what Jesus was saying. In fact, Jesus tried to explain what he meant, and the explanation he gave is still in the Bible for everyone to see. It is surprising that so many people who say they love Jesus ignore his explanation and repeat the mistake which was made by the enemies of Jesus. Here is the passage as it appears in the New International Version of the Bible: (22)It was winter,( 23) and Jesus was in the temple area, walking in Solomon's Colonnade. (24) "The Jews gathered around him, saying, "How long will you keep us in suspense? If you are the Christ, tell us plainly." (25)Jesus answered, "I did tell you, but you do not believe. The miracles I do in my Father's name speak for me, (26)"but you do not believe because you are not my sheep. (27) "My sheep listen to my voice; I know them, and they follow me. (28) "I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish, no one can snatch them out of my hand. (29)"My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all; no one can snatch them out of my Father's hand. (30) "I and the Father are one." (31) "Again the Jews picked up stones to stone him,(32) "but Jesus said to them, "I have shown you many great miracles from the Father. For which of these do you stone me?" (33) "We are not stoning you for any of these," replied the Jews, "but for blasphemy, because you, a mere man, claim to be God." (34) Jesus answered them, "Is it not written in your Law, 'I have said you are gods'? (35) "If he called them 'gods' to whom the word of God came - and the scripture cannot be broken - (36) "what about one whom the Father set apart as his very own and sent into the world? Why then do you accuse me of blasphemy because I said, 'I am God's Son'?" (John 10:22-36). The passage when viewed as a whole shows clearly that Jesus is not God. Let us observe the following points: 1. The disbelieving Jews insisted that Jesus should tell them if indeed he is the Christ so they should not remain in suspense about his identity (verse 24). A Christ as the title is used in the Bible refers to a human being who is anointed as King of Israel. The title is used for other humans as well (e.g. Isaiah 45:1, Cyrus the Persian is called God's Christ). The Jews were expecting another Christ (Christ is a Greek equivalent of the Hebrew word Messiah, and the Arabic word Maseeh). So they asked Jesus whether he was the one they were waiting for. Jesus replied that he had already told them, and he even performed miracles in God's name to prove his claim to be the Christ (verse 25), yet they do not believe him (verse 26) because they are not Jesus' sheep (verse 26). Those whom the Father had given to Jesus, are Jesus' sheep (followers), and they believe Jesus when he said that he is the Christ (verses 27-29). |
Re: The Quran Testifies: David And Elizabeth Worshiped Jesus As God! by udatso: 4:12pm On Oct 10, 2014 |
2. The true followers of Jesus will never perish, because Jesus gives them eternal life. According to the same Gospel (John 17:3), eternal life means to believe that the Father is the only true God, and that Jesus is the Christ and messenger of that one true God. Jesus gives this knowledge to all those whom the Father has given to him (John chapter 17:2). What Jesus was speaking, then, were the words which, if believed, will mean eternal life for all those who believe in them. This is why in the same Gospel, Peter is quoted as saying on behalf of the disciple to Jesus, "You have the words of eternal life. We know and believe that you are the Holy One of God" (John 6:6869). So they believed that Jesus was not God, but the Holy One whom God sent (i.e. the Christ and Messenger of God). The Good News Bible makes this passage slightly plainer: You have the words that give eternal life. And now we believe and know that you are the Holy One who has come from God. (John 6:68-69) |
Re: The Quran Testifies: David And Elizabeth Worshiped Jesus As God! by udatso: 4:14pm On Oct 10, 2014 |
3. No one can snatch away the disciples from Jesus (John 10:28), because they were given to him by the Father, and the Father is greater than all (verse 29). Since the Father is helping Jesus to keep his disciples, no one can snatch them out of Jesus' hand just as they cannot snatch them out of the Father's hand. When Jesus said that he and the Father are one, he means exactly this: that the Father is helping him to accomplish his tasks; and when he is busy trying to save his disciples from being snatched away by the evil one, the Father is making sure that not one of them will be lost except, of course, the one who was to betray him. |
Re: The Quran Testifies: David And Elizabeth Worshiped Jesus As God! by udatso: 4:17pm On Oct 10, 2014 |
4. Jesus said that the Father is greater than all (John 10:29), including Jesus. Anyone having any doubt about this can read John 14:28 where Jesus declares: "The Father is greater than I." In spite of this clear statement of Jesus, many who claim to follow him insist that Jesus is equal to the Father. Whom should we believe - Jesus himself or those who claim to follow him? His true followers can be distinguished as the ones who stick to what Jesus himself said. Here is what Jesus directed his followers to do: If you hold to my teaching you are really my disciples. Then you shall know the truth, and the truth will set you free. (John 8:31-32) |
Re: The Quran Testifies: David And Elizabeth Worshiped Jesus As God! by BraveGuy: 4:20pm On Oct 10, 2014 |
WHO SAYS YOUR HEAD HAS NOT BEEN MESSED UP BY ISLAM? Basic logical thinking has departed from you and I'm afraid what that will turn you. Your Quran contradicts itself in TERRIBLE ways - 1. People of the Book are our brothers (Surah Al ‘Imran, 110; Surat al-Baqara, 62) then 2. People of the Book must be killed (al-Anfaal 8:39; Surat 48:29). "And fight them until there is no more Fitnah (disbelief and polytheism, i.e. worshipping others besides Allaah), and the religion (worship) will all be for Allaah Alone [in the whole of the world]. But if they cease (worshipping others besides Allaah), then certainly, Allaah is All-Seer of what they do" [al-Anfaal 8:39] "Then when the Sacred Months (the 1st, 7th, 11th, and 12th months of the Islamic calendar) have passed, then kill the Mushrikoon (see V.2:105) wherever you find them, and capture them and besiege them, and lie in wait for them in each and every ambush. But if they repent [by rejecting Shirk (polytheism) and accept Islamic Monotheism] and perform As-Salaah (Iqaamat-as-Salaah), and give Zakaah, then leave their way free. Verily, Allaah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful" [al-Tawbah 9:5] So HYPOCRITICAL LIARS!!! |
Re: The Quran Testifies: David And Elizabeth Worshiped Jesus As God! by udatso: 4:35pm On Oct 10, 2014 |
5. When Jesus said, "I and the Father are one" (John 10:30) the Jews picked up stones to stone him (verse 31). Jesus could not understand their behavior, because he had said nothing wrong. So he asked them what he had done wrong to make them want to stone him (verse 32). They replied that Jesus had committed blasphemy since he was only a man yet he claimed to be God (verse 33). But it is clear from the Bible passage above that Jesus did not claim to be God. He only claimed to be the Christ (verse 25). When did he say he was God? They were deliberately misquoting Jesus and Putting words in his mouth which they will try to use later as false evidence against him so they could have an excuse to kill him. |
Re: The Quran Testifies: David And Elizabeth Worshiped Jesus As God! by udatso: 5:01pm On Oct 10, 2014 |
6. Jesus admits that he said, "I am God's Son" (verse 36). But he said that this means nothing more than the fact that God had set him apart as his very own and sent him into the world (verse 36). The fact that God set him apart means that God selected him for a task, set him apart from the rest. The Arabic title for a person like this is Mustafa (meaning The Chosen One). All of God's Prophets deserve this title. The fact that God sent him into the world means that he is God's Messenger. He is sent with a message from God. Obviously, the God who sent Jesus is not Jesus himself. |
Re: The Quran Testifies: David And Elizabeth Worshiped Jesus As God! by udatso: 12:17am On Oct 11, 2014 |
7. Jesus tried to explain to them that even if he said something which they misinterpreted as meaning that Jesus is claiming to be God, they should realize that some human beings were called gods' in the Bible, and the Jews do not disagree with this (verse 35), so they should not disagree with Jesus so quickly before he gets a chance to explain his words. To get a fuller understanding of what Jesus is saying here, let us refer to the Bible passage to which he called their attention. The passage is in the 82nd Psalm: "I said, 'you are "gods"; you are all sons of the Most High.' But you will die like mere men; you will fall like every other ruler." (Psalms 82:7- The verse from the Psalms shows that God had honored some humans by calling them "gods." But of course they were not really gods. This is just a figurative expression used in the Bible. Jesus reminded the Jews of this so that they should understand that even if he says something that makes them think he is claiming to be God, they should take it as a figurative expression that does not mean what it sounds like. Furthermore Jesus clarified that what he actually said was that he was God's Son (John 10:36). He says that if others can be called "gods," he does not see why they object to him calling himself God's Son which means that God had selected him and sent him with a message for the people. The clear meaning of the passage, then, is that Jesus is not God. He is one selected by God (i.e. he is Mustafa) and he is sent by God (i.e. he is God's Messenger). When he calls himself God's Son he means nothing more than that. Yet, despite the detailed study of the passage as above, some will hold on to tradition and reject the explanation that Jesus provided in verses 34-36. They will insist on taking verse 30 out of its context and give it a meaning which Jesus said is the wrong meaning. They will then agree with what the Jews said and disagree with what Jesus said. This attitude leads to confusion, as we will presently see. Even if verse 30 is taken in isolation to change its meaning from what Jesus meant, it does not solve anything. It only raises more problems. Jesus cannot be one and the same as the Father whereas he said himself that the Father is greater than he (John 14:28). Jesus said that he and the Father are in fact two (John 8:14-18). And no one had seen God at any time although they had already seen Jesus John 4:12). The best solution for all this is to go back to the teachings of Jesus himself, then you shall know the truth, and the truth shall set you free (John 8:31-32). Source: IS JESUS GOD by Shabir Ally |
Re: The Quran Testifies: David And Elizabeth Worshiped Jesus As God! by Abdulsalam20(m): 8:11am On Oct 11, 2014 |
BraveGuy:you should have try to bail malvisguy and emusan out they havent reply since look at what u post 3;110 ﻛُﻨﺘُﻢْ ﺧَﻴْﺮَ ﺃُﻣَّﺔٍ ﺃُﺧْﺮِﺟَﺖْ ﻟِﻠﻨَّﺎﺱِ ﺗَﺄْﻣُﺮُﻭﻥَ ﺑِﭑﻟْﻤَﻌْﺮُﻭﻑِ ﻭَﺗَﻨْﻬَﻮْﻥَ ﻋَﻦِ ٱﻟْﻤُﻨﻜَﺮِ ﻭَﺗُﺆْﻣِﻨُﻮﻥَ ﺑِﭑﻟﻠَّﻪِ ۗ ﻭَﻟَﻮْ ءَاﻣَﻦَ ﺃَﻫْﻞُ ٱﻟْﻜِﺘَٰﺐِ ﻟَﻜَﺎﻥَ ﺧَﻴْﺮًا ﻟَّﻬُﻢ ۚ ﻣِّﻨْﻬُﻢُ ٱﻟْﻤُﺆْﻣِﻨُﻮﻥَ ﻭَﺃَﻛْﺜَﺮُﻫُﻢُ ٱﻟْﻔَٰﺴِﻘُﻮﻥَ You are the best of the nations raised up for (the benefit of) men; you enjoin what is right and forbid the wrong and believe in Allah; and if the followers of the Book had believed it would have been better for them; of them (some) are believers and most of them are transgressors. (3:110) YOU ALSO QUOTE ﺇِﻥَّ ٱﻟَّﺬِﻳﻦَ ءَاﻣَﻨُﻮا۟ ﻭَٱﻟَّﺬِﻳﻦَ ﻫَﺎﺩُﻭا۟ ﻭَٱﻟﻨَّﺼَٰﺮَﻯٰ ﻭَٱﻟﺼَّٰﺒِـِٔﻴﻦَ ﻣَﻦْ ءَاﻣَﻦَ ﺑِﭑﻟﻠَّﻪِ ﻭَٱﻟْﻴَﻮْﻡِ ٱﻻْءَﺧِﺮِ ﻭَﻋَﻤِﻞَ ﺻَٰﻠِﺤًﺎ ﻓَﻠَﻬُﻢْ ﺃَﺟْﺮُﻫُﻢْ ﻋِﻨﺪَ ﺭَﺑِّﻬِﻢْ ﻭَﻻَ ﺧَﻮْﻑٌ ﻋَﻠَﻴْﻬِﻢْ ﻭَﻻَ ﻫُﻢْ ﻳَﺤْﺰَﻧُﻮﻥَ Surely those who believe, and those who are Jews, and the Christians, and the Sabians, whoever believes in Allah and the Last day and does good, they shall have their reward from their Lord, and there is no fear for them, nor shall they grieve. (2:62) NOW CHEXCK OF IT IS A COMTRADICTION WITH THE NEXT ONES YOU POSTED ﻭَﻗَٰﺘِﻠُﻮﻫُﻢْ ﺣَﺘَّﻰٰ ﻻَ ﺗَﻜُﻮﻥَ ﻓِﺘْﻨَﺔٌ ﻭَﻳَﻜُﻮﻥَ ٱﻟﺪِّﻳﻦُ ﻛُﻠُّﻪُۥ ﻟِﻠَّﻪِ ۚ ﻓَﺈِﻥِ ٱﻧﺘَﻬَﻮْا۟ ﻓَﺈِﻥَّ ٱﻟﻠَّﻪَ ﺑِﻤَﺎ ﻳَﻌْﻤَﻠُﻮﻥَ ﺑَﺼِﻴﺮٌ And fight with them until there is no more persecution and religion should be only for Allah; but if they desist, then surely Allah sees what they do. (8:39) THIS MEANS UNTIL THEY DONT ATTACK YOU ANYMORE SO WE SONT ATTACK FIRST IN ISLAM WE ONLY DEFEND OUR SELF YOU ALSO QUOTE ﻣُّﺤَﻤَّﺪٌ ﺭَّﺳُﻮﻝُ ٱﻟﻠَّﻪِ ۚ ﻭَٱﻟَّﺬِﻳﻦَ ﻣَﻌَﻪُۥٓ ﺃَﺷِﺪَّآءُ ﻋَﻠَﻰ ٱﻟْﻜُﻔَّﺎﺭِ ﺭُﺣَﻤَﺎٓءُ ﺑَﻴْﻨَﻬُﻢْ ۖ ﺗَﺮَﻯٰﻫُﻢْ ﺭُﻛَّﻌًﺎ ﺳُﺠَّﺪًا ﻳَﺒْﺘَﻐُﻮﻥَ ﻓَﻀْﻼً ﻣِّﻦَ ٱﻟﻠَّﻪِ ﻭَﺭِﺿْﻮَٰﻧًﺎ ۖ ﺳِﻴﻤَﺎﻫُﻢْ ﻓِﻰ ﻭُﺟُﻮﻫِﻬِﻢ ﻣِّﻦْ ﺃَﺛَﺮِ ٱﻟﺴُّﺠُﻮﺩِ ۚ ﺫَٰﻟِﻚَ ﻣَﺜَﻠُﻬُﻢْ ﻓِﻰ ٱﻟﺘَّﻮْﺭَﻯٰﺓِ ۚ ﻭَﻣَﺜَﻠُﻬُﻢْ ﻓِﻰ ٱﻹِْﻧﺠِﻴﻞِ ﻛَﺰَﺭْﻉٍ ﺃَﺧْﺮَﺝَ ﺷَﻂْـَٔﻪُۥ ﻓَـَٔﺎﺯَﺭَﻩُۥ ﻓَﭑﺳْﺘَﻐْﻠَﻆَ ﻓَﭑﺳْﺘَﻮَﻯٰ ﻋَﻠَﻰٰ ﺳُﻮﻗِﻪِۦ ﻳُﻌْﺠِﺐُ ٱﻟﺰُّﺭَّاﻉَ ﻟِﻴَﻐِﻴﻆَ ﺑِﻬِﻢُ ٱﻟْﻜُﻔَّﺎﺭَ ۗ ﻭَﻋَﺪَ ٱﻟﻠَّﻪُ ٱﻟَّﺬِﻳﻦَ ءَاﻣَﻨُﻮا۟ ﻭَﻋَﻤِﻠُﻮا۟ ٱﻟﺼَّٰﻠِﺤَٰﺖِ ﻣِﻨْﻬُﻢ ﻣَّﻐْﻔِﺮَﺓً ﻭَﺃَﺟْﺮًا ﻋَﻆِﻴﻤًۢﺎ Muhammad is the Apostle of Allah, and those with him are firm of heart against the unbelievers, compassionate among themselves; you will see them bowing down, prostrating themselves, seeking grace from Allah and pleasure; their marks are in their faces because of the effect of prostration; that is their description in the Taurat and their description in the Injeel; like as seed-produce that puts forth its sprout, then strengthens it, so it becomes stout and stands firmly on its stem, delighting the sowers that He may enrage the unbelievers on account of them; Allah has promised those among them who believe and do good, forgiveness and a great reward. (48:29) PLS FOR GOD SAKE WHY ARE YOU POSTING BAD THINGS ABOUT ISLAM THERE IS NO SINGLE CONTRADICTION IN THE QIRAN YOU BIBLE HAVE MORE THAN 100 CONTRADICTIONS AND VARIOUS TERRORS |
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