I am not using that passage against God. The verse does not endorse tithing in a Church environment. Nor does it endorse a tithe of money. For one thing, just 15 years earlier, it was determined by the Apostles and the Holy Ghost that the Gentile Converts need only observe four necessary things. Tithing was not one of those necessary things. Eight years after that determination, James reminded Paul of that decision.

There is no command for Church members on Gentile soil to tithe,... At least, not in the Bible, there isn't. But greed and/or ignorance of those facts drove deceitful men to invent the monetary tithe doctrine. And fools rushed in and readily accepted the commandments of men....

hisableplc:
i understand u all clearly the way i give when i have is between me n God what am saying is that a 10th is in isignificant to cos d noise....now d old testament kicks against eating of blood do u eat blood today cos we r no more under d law. Now during Christs ministry how come dey had a purse Judas was in charge remember they dropped their profession n followed Jesus where was d money coming from. you paid it or give it is all offered most of what we r giving are used majorly for running church activities for our benefits and its nt enough that most of d leaders go through this silently frm their pocket without disturbing their members in my church i av lil info about dat so if u r in a congregation where they pay pastors we dnt pay pastors or leaders or workers so u r talking based on where u com frm which i dont knowam also talking frm a diff point of view

what of Deuteronomy 22:5,Leviticus 19:28 Leviticus 27:30, etx are they not part of the old testament. don't satan use to mislead the saints. when he tempted Jesus, he quoted the Scriptures to justify his claims even when we all know that he Is wrong. You claim Abraham's blessing but don't want to know how He did It Or Abraham isn't part of the old law? Didn't Jesus say I haven't come to destroy the old laws but to fulfil it? why is the old testament there in the first place or is it for decoration? those who wrote the bible,werent they inspired by God. Why did God made mention of tithe. Tithing is for all believers be it pastor (Christians). Any preacher that preaches against tithe is anti Christ.

asuustrike1:

what of Deuteronomy 22:5,Leviticus 19:28 Leviticus 27:30, etx are they not part of the old testament. don't satan use to mislead the saints. when he tempted Jesus, he quoted the Scriptures to justify his claims even when we all know that he Is wrong. You claim Abraham's blessing but don't want to know how He did It Or Abraham isn't part of the old law? Didn't Jesus say I haven't come to destroy the old laws but to fulfil it? why is the old testament there in the first place or is it for decoration? those who wrote the bible,werent they inspired by God. Why did God made mention of tithe. Tithing is for all believers be it pastor (Christians). Any preacher that preaches against tithe is anti Christ.

please provide Scripture that says money is to be tithed by an assembly of Believers on Gentile soil.

MarkMiwerds:
please provide Scripture that says money is to be tithed by an assembly of Believers on Gentile soil.

before I start to prove that money Is part of tithing, I want to ask you this question. what were the levite using then to maintain the temple? 2.What form payment was used during Abraham era? when you answer these questions then I will give my ans

asuustrike1:

what of Deuteronomy 22:5,Leviticus 19:28 Leviticus 27:30, etx are they not part of the old testament. don't satan use to mislead the saints. when he tempted Jesus, he quoted the Scriptures to justify his claims even when we all know that he Is wrong.
................
Why did God made mention of tithe. Tithing is for all believers be it pastor (Christians). Any preacher that preaches against tithe is anti Christ.

Also please provide Scripture that says how monetary tithe is to be done by an assembly of New Testament Believers on Gentile soil.
Note that no physical temple now exists.
Note too that the priesthood has changed.

trustman:


Also please provide Scripture that says how monetary tithe is to be done by an assembly of New Testament Believers on Gentile soil.
Note that no physical temple now exists.
Note too that the priesthood has changed.

Whether the tithe is only for Old Testament
or if it is also included in the New
Testament is probably the most debated
issue. The scripture most frequently
referenced regarding the tithe is indeed in
the Old Testament ( Malachi 3:10-12 ), but
the tithe is also referenced in the New
Testament. In Matthew 23:23 , Jesus talks to
the Pharisees, condemning them for tithing
to the penny but neglecting the more
important issues of justice, mercy and faith .
He then goes on to tell them that they
should in fact tithe, but that they shouldn't
neglect the more important things. Jesus
recognized the importance of keeping the
tithe and we should, too.
There are many practices in the Old
Testament that don't make sense to us
today, yet many of these ancient ways carry
over to the New Testament law of grace as
part of Christ's promise to not abolish the
law, but to fulfill it ( Matthew 5:17 ). For
instance we no longer sacrifice animals but
as believers we are called to offer ourselves
up as a living sacrifice (Rom 12:1 ). Men no
longer are required to be circumcised, but
we all have a circumcision of the heart
through the Holy Spirit (Rom 2:29 ). Most of
us don't have grain and produce to bring to
the storehouse, but we do have incomes
that we can bring the first tenth of into the
church. In other words, just because
something is written in the Old Testament
doesn't mean it lacks application to us
today in some way or another.
When I think of Christians asking themselves
whether "tithing" is commanded in the Bible,
is an Old Testament or New Testament
teaching, I wonder how many of these
Christians "send back" the many scriptural
blessings God has given His people in the
Old Testament. How many people when they
are blessed and given hope through the
mention of God's works, words etc. through
the Old Testament Scriptures say ‘I don't
receive this or that blessing or confirmation
because it's in the Old Testament'?"
While it is true that we are no longer under
the old law, that we are under grace, we
must not forget the purpose of grace: to
help us live for God and do the things He
wants us to do. Romans 8:4 tells us that
Jesus came that the righteous requirement
of the law might be fully met in us, not so
that we could altogether dismiss it.
And Romans 3:21-31 talks about how we
have righteousness through faith and not
through following the law, but verse 31 adds
"Do we, then, nullify the law by this faith?
Not at all! Rather, we uphold the law." God's
grace gives us the power and ability to
tithe!

asuustrike1:

before I start to prove that money Is part of tithing, I want to ask you this question. what were the levite using then to maintain the temple? 2.What form payment was used during Abraham era? when you answer these questions then I will give my ans

1. Tithes that went to the Temple were not for the maintenance of the Temple. They for the sustenance of the Levites and the Aaronic Priesthood.

There was a separate tax that was used for maintenance of the Temple... a half shekel a year from rich and poor alike.

2. What form of payment was used in Abraham's era? Form of payment for what? Tithes? Only one record of tithes ever being given in Abraham's era... Tithes from spoils of war. Not from Abraham's own property, nor from his personal riches.

Exegeting Matthew 23:23

Woe to you, (sorrows, calamities)
scribes (lawyers)
and Pharisees (religious leaders)
Hypocrites! (actors; those who put on a pretense)
For ye tithe mint, and anise, and cummin (you give a tenth of your garden products)
and have neglected (you've failed to observe)
the weightier matters (more important things)
of the Law (the Mosaic Law)
Judgment, Mercy and Faith
These (tithes of garden products)
ought ye to have done (you should have done)
and not to leave the others undone (Judgment, Mercy and Faith)

The Mosaic Law stated that God's holy tithe was crops and livestock in the land of Israel. (Leviticus 27:30-34) Jesus was commending the scribes and Pharisees for keeping the command concerning tithes (tithing mint, anise and cummin; i.e., garden produce) and said they should be doing exactly what they were doing. Why? Because that is what the Law required, and as citizens of the land to which the Law applied, it was their duty to obey the Mosaic Law given to Israel just as we are to obey the laws in the state/county in which we live today.

Leviticus 27:30-33 And all the tithe of the land, whether of the seed of the land, or of the fruit of the tree, is the LORD'S: it is holy unto the LORD. And if a man will at all redeem ought of his tithes, he shall add thereto the fifth part thereof. And concerning the tithe of the herd, or of the flock, even of whatsoever passeth under the rod, the tenth shall be holy unto the LORD. He shall not search whether it be good or bad, neither shall he change it: and if he change it at all, then both it and the change thereof shall be holy; it shall not be redeemed.

Deuteronomy 12:1 These are the statutes and judgments, which ye shall observe to do in the land, which the LORD God of thy fathers giveth thee to possess it, all the days that ye live upon the earth.

Deuteronomy 12:6 And thither ye shall bring your burnt offerings, and your sacrifices, and your tithes, and heave offerings of your hand, and your vows, and your freewill offerings, and the firstlings of your herds and of your flocks:
The Mosaic Law commanded tithes of crops and livestock. (Notice in this verse God made a distinction between firstlings and tithes. So much for the claim that firstborn animals were tithes. LOL)

Deuteronomy 12:8 Ye shall not do after all the things that we do here this day, every man whatsoever is right in his own eyes.

Man could not do what seemed right in his own eyes. The tithe was crops and livestock, not money. Man was forbidden to tithe money.

Jesus was not saying 'tithe money in Matthew 23:23. Not at all. He was saying continue tithing that which the Law requires... Garden produce, jesus did not tell them to tithe "to the penny".

That is proper exegesis of Matthew 23:23.

MarkMiwerds:
Exegeting Matthew 23:23

Woe to you, (sorrows, calamities)
scribes (lawyers)
and Pharisees (religious leaders)
Hypocrites! (actors; those who put on a pretense)
For ye tithe mint, and anise, and cummin (you give a tenth of your garden products)
and have neglected (you've failed to observe)
the weightier matters (more important things)
of the Law (the Mosaic Law)
Judgment, Mercy and Faith
These (tithes of garden products)
ought ye to have done (you should have done)
and not to leave the others undone (Judgment, Mercy and Faith)

The Mosaic Law stated that God's holy tithe was crops and livestock in the land of Israel. (Leviticus 27:30-34) Jesus was commending the scribes and Pharisees for keeping the command concerning tithes (tithing mint, anise and cummin; i.e., garden produce) and said they should be doing exactly what they were doing. Why? Because that is what the Law required, and as citizens of the land to which the Law applied, it was their duty to obey the Mosaic Law given to Israel just as we are to obey the laws in the state/county in which we live today.

Leviticus 27:30-33 And all the tithe of the land, whether of the seed of the land, or of the fruit of the tree, is the LORD'S: it is holy unto the LORD. And if a man will at all redeem ought of his tithes, he shall add thereto the fifth part thereof. And concerning the tithe of the herd, or of the flock, even of whatsoever passeth under the rod, the tenth shall be holy unto the LORD. He shall not search whether it be good or bad, neither shall he change it: and if he change it at all, then both it and the change thereof shall be holy; it shall not be redeemed.

Deuteronomy 12:1 These are the statutes and judgments, which ye shall observe to do in the land, which the LORD God of thy fathers giveth thee to possess it, all the days that ye live upon the earth.

Deuteronomy 12:6 And thither ye shall bring your burnt offerings, and your sacrifices, and your tithes, and heave offerings of your hand, and your vows, and your freewill offerings, and the firstlings of your herds and of your flocks:
The Mosaic Law commanded tithes of crops and livestock. (Notice in this verse God made a distinction between firstlings and tithes. So much for the claim that firstborn animals were tithes. LOL)

Deuteronomy 12:8 Ye shall not do after all the things that we do here this day, every man whatsoever is right in his own eyes.

Man could not do what seemed right in his own eyes. The tithe was crops and livestock, not money. Man was forbidden to tithe money.

Jesus was not saying 'tithe money in Matthew 23:23. Not at all. He was saying continue tithing that which the Law requires... Garden produce, jesus did not tell them to tithe "to the penny".

That is proper exegesis of Matthew 23:23.

Thank God you said Jesus says tithing isn't money. good question. I want to ask you this question, will accept 10 tubers of yam in exchange for a plot of land worth that scale. That's the value of 10tubers is the same as the value of land. secondly you said Mosaic law but It teaches the 10 commandment, why practice should laws if there are not relevant.? since you say we're in the new law why non kill, steal e.t.c Or it wasn't mention in the new testament too about Mosaic law or was it there for decoration too. Didn't Jesus read the Mosaic law too, did he changed it or say we. should do away it? why did apostle, write about Abraham's tithe in the new testament??

asuustrike1:

Thank God you said Jesus says tithing isn't money. good question. I want to ask you this question, will accept 10 tubers of yam in exchange for a plot of land worth that scale. That's the value of 10tubers is the same as the value of land. secondly you said Mosaic law but It teaches the 10 commandment, why practice should laws if there are not relevant.? since you say we're in the new law why non kill, steal e.t.c Or it wasn't mention in the new testament too about Mosaic law or was it there for decoration too. Didn't Jesus read the Mosaic law too, did he changed it or say we. should do away it? why did apostle, write about Abraham's tithe in the new testament??

the guidelines we are to live by are found in the New Testament. Paul told churches on Gentile soil that they were to love their enemies. Loving your enemy means you do not kill your enemy. Paul also said the one who was once a thief was to steal no more.

As I said, guidelines are given for us. But not once in those guidelines are we told to tithe our money to a Church. God didn't even allow money to be tithed to His Temple in Jerusalem.

asuustrike1:

Whether the tithe is only for Old Testament
or if it is also included in the New
Testament is probably the most debated
issue. The scripture most frequently
referenced regarding the tithe is indeed in
the Old Testament ( Malachi 3:10-12 ),
......................
God's grace gives us the power and ability to
tithe!

The Christian way of life is unique and different from what the JEWS had. It was a ‘mystery’ to believers of previous times including Israel – Rom.16:25, 1 Cor. 2:7, Eph. 1:9, 3:3, 3:6, 3:9, Col. 1:26, etc . Any [b]significant thing required of the Christian will be found in the New Testament epistles which constitute the blueprint for living the Christian life.

The prescription for the way of life for believers in other dispensations is unquestionably not the same for Christians under the dispensation of the church age. The same God, yes. Certain similar principles, yes. But quite a different system for living and administering the spiritual life. That a practice is in the Bible does not necessarily recommend it to be used or practiced by the Christian. The Christian must rightly divide whether such a practice is for him or not under the new Covenant. For example, the Bible, in the Old Testament has requirements for animal sacrifices and so on. Would anyone therefore justify animal sacrifice today simply on the basis that it is in the Bible?

Hmmn! Came in and noticed the "antithing campaigners" have resuscitated an old dead thread with their resentments and biles bellowing to high heavens...Well good luck to them, i don't want to be drawn into foolish quarells and heated strifes with "bible illiterates".

I leave with this quote from John wesley..."When i die, if i leave behind me ten pounds....you and all mankind(may) bear witness against me, that i have lived and died a thief and a robber."

MarkMiwerds:
the guidelines we are to live by are found in the New Testament. Paul told churches on Gentile soil that they were to love their enemies. Loving your enemy means you do not kill your enemy. Paul also said the one who was once a thief was to steal no more.

As I said, guidelines are given for us. But not once in those guidelines are we told to tithe our money to a Church. God didn't even allow money to be tithed to His Temple in Jerusalem.

you haven't answered my question. did Jesus destroyed the old law? I have giving you biblical passages to back up my claims yet you're not convinced. If you still not convinced, Go on a fast and ask the holy spirit to expose you more on tithing. and for those falling ignorantly For the devices of the devil because you believe tithing isn't necessary, pray earnestly and seek God's face for direction because I Was once like you till the lord reveal it to me. in a nutshell, tithing is part of our obligation to God whether you like it or not. when you get heaven ask God why he made it. Do not lean On your understanding but ask the holy spirit to lead. As far the Bible stated it there, it's a law .if you like argue till Jesus come, you will not change it and the lord Almighty will judge according to what is written and not what you or your pastor thinks
lasly there's nothing like new testament. church Or what name attached to it if not there would not be need for old testament. There wouldn't be need for Jesus to read the book of Isaiah . Some you think running from tithing isn't sin but they end up falling victims for the accuser of the brethren who looks for any slightest fault we make to strike. In case you don't know, witches pay tithe and those that seek for money visit rituals. take it or leave.

asuustrike1:

you haven't answered my question. did Jesus destroyed the old law? I have giving you biblical passages to back up my claims yet you're not convinced. If you still not convinced, Go on a fast and ask the holy spirit to expose you more on tithing. and for those falling ignorantly For the devices of the devil because you believe tithing isn't necessary, pray earnestly and seek God's face for direction because I Was once like you till the lord reveal it to me. in a nutshell, tithing is part of our obligation to God whether you like it or not. when you get heaven ask God why he made it. Do not lean On your understanding but ask the holy spirit to lead. As far the Bible stated it there, it's a law .if you like argue till Jesus come, you will not change it and the lord Almighty will judge according to what is written and what you or your pastor thinks. merci Monsieur

Ephesians 2:14 (KJV) 14 For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition [between us];

Ephesians 2:15 (KJV) 15 Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, [even] the law of commandments [contained] in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, [so] making peace;

Is not tithing an ordinance? Yes, Malachi 3 identifies it as such. And the Apostle says the ordinances have been abolished.

Your argument fails. Obviously, it is you who needs to "ask the Holy Spirit to lead".

Tithing May be for you, because "you" and many don't see reason? The bible shows us clearly on truth. And Jesus has been reaching out showing this in scripture. And why? Before myself their has been many quoting bible truths, on this forum. Because its those few who have found the truth, trying to share the word to our brothers and sisters in Christ, quoting scriptures verse after verse-given you all the guide lines so you can "find" what Jesus found in word for us, in truth. You can believe the lie? But when the time comes meeting up with the lord, I pray you have a good testimony why you believe by choosing to support these many Churches who are involved in quoting and believing and teaching another doctrine {tithing}. Think about it' pastors-preachers, talk more on tithing and offerings, more then the actual call out for the salvation prayer. Less preaching, music, and tithing, is the man's translation. Not the lords. Before I came to the lord, I too was a Robin Hood, brought up in the broncs,{The streets I "lived" was my Kingdom} Ripping off the rich, the needy and the poor. Just to feel satisfied, patting myself on my back, "saying" well done good and faithful servant. And today I see" in our many churches, no different with the life of crime I had lived. I walked in those torments, and carried the heavy burdens" I believed, and walked in the lies. As many of our believers do today? And many refuse to believe the truth, Listen you have nothing to loose. Give yourselves entirely to the lord. He promised in word he will never leave you nor forsake you. He is the way to all truth & the life.

asuustrike1:

Whether the tithe is only for Old Testament
or if it is also included in the New
Testament is probably the most debated
issue. The scripture most frequently
referenced regarding the tithe is indeed in
the Old Testament ( Malachi 3:10-12 ), but
the tithe is also referenced in the New
Testament. In Matthew 23:23 , Jesus talks to
the Pharisees, condemning them for tithing
to the penny but neglecting the more
important issues of justice, mercy and faith .
He then goes on to tell them that they
should in fact tithe, but that they shouldn't
neglect the more important things. Jesus
recognized the importance of keeping the
tithe and we should, too.
There are many practices in the Old
Testament that don't make sense to us
today, yet many of these ancient ways carry
over to the New Testament law of grace as
part of Christ's promise to not abolish the
law, but to fulfill it ( Matthew 5:17 ). For
instance we no longer sacrifice animals but
as believers we are called to offer ourselves
up as a living sacrifice (Rom 12:1 ). Men no
longer are required to be circumcised, but
we all have a circumcision of the heart
through the Holy Spirit (Rom 2:29 ). Most of
us don't have grain and produce to bring to
the storehouse, but we do have incomes
that we can bring the first tenth of into the
church. In other words, just because
something is written in the Old Testament
doesn't mean it lacks application to us
today in some way or another.
When I think of Christians asking themselves
whether "tithing" is commanded in the Bible,
is an Old Testament or New Testament
teaching, I wonder how many of these
Christians "send back" the many scriptural
blessings God has given His people in the
Old Testament. How many people when they
are blessed and given hope through the
mention of God's works, words etc. through
the Old Testament Scriptures say ‘I don't
receive this or that blessing or confirmation
because it's in the Old Testament'?"
While it is true that we are no longer under
the old law, that we are under grace, we
must not forget the purpose of grace: to
help us live for God and do the things He
wants us to do. Romans 8:4 tells us that
Jesus came that the righteous requirement
of the law might be fully met in us, not so
that we could altogether dismiss it.
And Romans 3:21-31 talks about how we
have righteousness through faith and not
through following the law, but verse 31 adds
"Do we, then, nullify the law by this faith?
Not at all! Rather, we uphold the law." God's
grace gives us the power and ability to
tithe!

asuustrike1:

you haven't answered my question. did Jesus destroyed the old law? I have giving you biblical passages to back up my claims yet you're not convinced. If you still not convinced, Go on a fast and ask the holy spirit to expose you more on tithing. and for those falling ignorantly For the devices of the devil because you believe tithing isn't necessary, pray earnestly and seek God's face for direction because I Was once like you till the lord reveal it to me. in a nutshell, tithing is part of our obligation to God whether you like it or not. when you get heaven ask God why he made it. Do not lean On your understanding but ask the holy spirit to lead. As far the Bible stated it there, it's a law .if you like argue till Jesus come, you will not change it and the lord Almighty will judge according to what is written and not what you or your pastor thinks
lasly there's nothing like new testament. church Or what name attached to it if not there would not be need for old testament. There wouldn't be need for Jesus to read the book of Isaiah . Some you think running from tithing isn't sin but they end up falling victims for the accuser of the brethren who looks for any slightest fault we make to strike. In case you don't know, witches pay tithe and those that seek for money visit rituals. take it or leave.

I'm only responding bc there may b other sincere truth seekers. There is no single verse in d bible where God commanded/commands christians to pay 10% of their salaries/wages/profits from business to God, church or pastor every day/weekends/monthend. Tithe as commanded by God was herds and herbs, Mark has made a good post ön dat already. On old testament and d law of Moses, pls explain d folloming scriptures: 1.Heb 7:11 if therefor perfection were by the Levitical priesthood,(FOR UNDER IT THE PEOPLE RECIEVED THE LAW) what further need was there that another priest should rise after the order of melchizedeck and NNT BE CALLED AFTER THE ORDER OF AERON? 12. For the priesthood being changed, THERE IS MADE OF NECCESITY, A CHANGE ALSO OF THE LAW. So bro, d law was changed from d law of sin and death(d law of Moses-old covenant law, d law written on tablet of stone) to d LAW OF D SPIRIT OF LIFE in Christ Jesus(d law written on our heart, d NEW COVENANT LAW HEB 8: 10-13, Rm8:1-5) 2. Heb 8:6-9. God has NEVER COMMANDED ANYBODY APPARTfrom D LEVITES to bring tithes to temple/church, d malachi 3 u ppl normally used to harass lazy/ignorant christians was written to d levites, bc after recieving tithes from their brethren in their cities, they were required to bring a 10th called tithe of tithes to the temple/priests but d priests do not pay tithes to d high priest. In the new testament Jesus is d high priest and all christians are priests(REV. 1:5-6), we as priests are not required to pay tithe to d high priest(JESUS) talk less of a fellow priests. In d old testaments d priests/levites were not given inheritance hence they were commanded to collect tithes . But in d new testament every christian including pastors have inheritance, In Israel, there were fishermen, blacksmiths, tentmakers, carpenters, paid labours prost itutes, thieves, ritualists, strangers,etc did these ppl pay tithes? Today you collect tithes(money) from not only believers, but, from thieves, armed/pen robbers, pros 'titutes, ritualists, human parts sellers(murderers) etc and claims God commandf u to collect, continue in ur fraudulent life, but know dat TITHES IS D BIGEST FRAUD IN HUMANITY

Bidam:
Hmmn! Came in and noticed the "antithing campaigners" have resuscitated an old dead thread with their resentments and biles bellowing to high heavens...Well good luck to them, i don't want to be drawn into foolish quarells and heated strifes with "bible illiterates".

I leave with this quote from John wesley..."When i die, if i leave behind me ten pounds....you and all mankind(may) bear witness against me, that i have lived and died a thief and a robber."

No!,you got it wrong brother.Rather than pull out with John Wesley quote,it is your duty to prove the innerancy of the Christian Tithing and teach people the corrolation it has with judaism practices.it beats my sense of reasoning seeing all the upholders of this tradition run away rather than calmly explain with biblical back ups,with specific proves from the early Christian point of view.As it is now,a lot of people really do not know if or not to tithe,but your teaching with sincere biblical proves may guide them.I for one has been wondering how tithing crept into 21st century churches since we don't read about it in the stories of the early Christians. Please before you go bros,help me answer these puzzling questions to me and please don't take it personal.Please answer serially sir.With Christ being our model as Christians,and with you being a true believer of christ,I beleive you would use Christ's divine teachings as the basis for your answers.

1.Why is it that today's pastors insist that anyone who does not pay tithe is cursed and that his breakthrough/open doors will remain closed?

2.Why did Jesus say that Tithing is not a weightier matter?.Even though he sarcastically asked the priests of Judaism who were not Christians to pay tithe,why didn't he encourage his followers to tithe?

3.If jesus did not teach his followers to pay tithe,if the 12 apostles and their followers did not pay tithe as christians,from where did the practise of Tithe paying of people in Judaism enter into christianity.

4.A christian paying tithe,is he practising Judaism or Christianity?.

5.What lessons does the activities of Saul who later became Paul teach us in the issue of tithing as Christians?.

6.Before Saul became a christian,to what religion did he belong?.

7. After he became a Christian,how did he and his christian brethren raise money for the running of the church?

8.Did the 12 apostles receive tithe?

9.Did the 12 apostles teach their predecessors to receive tithe?

10.The greatest priest ever on earth was Jesus,did he receive any percentage from the income and revenue of his followers?.

11.If a common priest deserved 10% of peoples sweat? How much % do you think christ deserved?

12.The two most prominent religions of that time(Judaism and Christianity) existed side by side during the era of the 12 apostles.While those who practised Judaism worshipped in the temple,Christians had fellowships in houses of brethrens until they are able to raise a structure for shelter.While tithing was traditional in the temple,the christians were on their own and did not partake.So at what point in time did Christians start paying tithes?

13.So is a person truly a christian or a practiser of Judaism when paying tithe that was never encouraged by the master he claim to be serving today?

14.Tithing also involved the remission of sins of the Israelites whose tithed animals were also burnt up.Brotherly,if you find someone still doing this today as a Christian what would you tell him?.

15.The land where tithing originated has already abolished it with the disappearance of the covenant Ark and the destruction of the temple.Do you have any plans to take the tithing campaign to them to revive it?

16.Why are pastors congregants not educated about tithing in full,the origination,reasons,that it goes with animal sacrifice and burnt offering and most importantly it no longer exist in Israel.Bros can you educate us on why the originators stopped it and the learners still do it.

17.Also please tell us imperatively how early Christians raised their money to run their ministry,how they money was spent ect,so we see if it is in tandem with that of the judizers.

18.Some of the people who wrote the Bible did not tithe.The bible made us understand they were inspired by the spirit to do so.They also received great empowerment from christ spiritually that they even raised the dead back to life.Brother,would all these have been possible if they were cursed for refusing to tithe to the Levite priests?.Brother is a 21st century pastor who infinitely state that those who do not pay tithe are cursed better than an annointed one who even wrote the bible.Can you clearly see with this particular example that he is lying?. Please try to rob minds with your pastor on this particular N0.18 point ok?.

19. A Levite priest who previously paid tithes and received as well became born again upon accepting christ.He even "WILLINGLY" and not lawfully donated his land which was sold to run the ministry.Nobody cajoled him into doing it but simply saw the light.sir,why would a 21st century pastor ask that Levite priest to go back to the temple and start tithing/receiving again?

20.Have you given your life to Christ?.Have you agreed to work with the principles of christ and the apostles?.if you haven't,then please take a clue from Paul and the Levite priest who dropped the law of moses and followed christ without dilusion till the end.They were not practising Christianity and applying judaism to it through food drinks and money.

Please help out with answers.Take nothing personal,take it it upon you that you are a good christian who is out to liberate anti-tithers so they can see reasons from the Christian point

asuustrike1:

what of Deuteronomy 22:5,Leviticus 19:28 Leviticus 27:30, etx are they not part of the old testament. don't satan use to mislead the saints. when he tempted Jesus, he quoted the Scriptures to justify his claims even when we all know that he Is wrong. You claim Abraham's blessing but don't want to know how He did It Or Abraham isn't part of the old law? Didn't Jesus say I haven't come to destroy the old laws but to fulfil it? why is the old testament there in the first place or is it for decoration? those who wrote the bible,werent they inspired by God. Why did God made mention of tithe. Tithing is for all believers be it pastor (Christians). Any preacher that preaches against tithe is anti Christ.

I think I love your disposition. In simple straight answers,please explain the followings
1.Some of those who wrote the bible did not pay tithe and refused to obey that law. Please tell us the reason.Were the also Anti Christ?
2.Christ himself neither paid nor received tithe.Was he an anti christ to himself?
3.Saul who later became Paul stopped tithing upon accepting christ. Was he an anti Christ?
4.The entire early church disobeyed the law of tithing. Were they anti Christ?
5.A levite priest became converted into Christianity and stopped paying tithes.Was he an anti-christ?
6.The bible says that who ever continue to follow the law is not worshipping christ but something else.Is this true or false?
7.Paul confirmed that before he followed the law thinking he was right,but now have seen the light and would never go back there.True or false.
8.Cursed is everyone hanging on the cross/we no longer bear the mark of the law on our body but the mark of the lord jesus christ.Please what does this mean. We are looking forward to your answers.

brocab:
Tithing May be for you, because "you" and many don't see reason? The bible shows us clearly on truth. And Jesus has been reaching out showing this in scripture. And why? Before myself their has been many quoting bible truths, on this forum. Because its those few who have found the truth, trying to share the word to our brothers and sisters in Christ, quoting scriptures verse after verse-given you all the guide lines so you can "find" what Jesus found in word for us, in truth. You can believe the lie? But when the time comes meeting up with the lord, I pray you have a good testimony why you believe by choosing to support these many Churches who are involved in quoting and believing and teaching another doctrine {tithing}. Think about it' pastors-preachers, talk more on tithing and offerings, more then the actual call out for the salvation prayer. Less preaching, music, and tithing, is the man's translation. Not the lords. Before I came to the lord, I too was a Robin Hood, brought up in the broncs,{The streets I "lived" was my Kingdom} Ripping off the rich, the needy and the poor. Just to feel satisfied, patting myself on my back, "saying" well done good and faithful servant. And today I see" in our many churches, no different with the life of crime I had lived. I walked in those torments, and carried the heavy burdens" I believed, and walked in the lies. As many of our believers do today? And many refuse to believe the truth, Listen you have nothing to loose. Give yourselves entirely to the lord. He promised in word he will never leave you nor forsake you. He is the way to all truth & the life.

Bros your write up is lenghty but I tried to see exactly how tithing in 21century has corrolation with judaism practices. You mentioned christ asking the Pharisees to tithe. Could you please tell us to which religion they belonged. Again bros,while christ was talking to the Pharisees,where were his followers at that same moment?.When he turned back to his followers,did he ask them just like the pharisees to tithe?. Please give us reason for any answer you may have. I think the best way to understand this tithe issue clearly is to find out if christianity and judaism existed side by side.To my mind,they did.Do you believe this sir?.I want to assume you do just like me. Now help us answer this question too." Since Judaism and Chrisianity existed simultaenously.where was tithing taking place and where was it not taking place and why?". If you have a counter opinion about the existence of these two groups at the same time,please let us know. However if you agree,then bros we will now look into the reasons why on one side some people were tithing and receiving it,while just nearby a different group disobeyed. It is only from this point of view that people can reason with each other clearly.

Like i said i am not interested in bickerings and strifes over issues that has been long overflogged on this forum, if you are looking for answers to your questions you can take it up with the Holy Spirit if at all you have Him or check other tithes threads on this forum.

Am tired of teaching illiterates who are ever learning and never able to come to the knowledge of Christ. Pls don't quote me or mention me again. Best expend your energy saving souls for Christ rather than foolish arguments over non essential doctrines that doesn't add value to your spiritual life. I am talking with the benefit of experience trust me.

Most antithing campaigns like yours has not helped motivate increased givings in the body of Christ.

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you haven't answered my question. did Jesus destroyed the old law? I have giving you biblical passages to back up my claims yet you're not convinced. If you still not convinced, Go on a fast and ask the holy spirit to expose you more on tithing. and for those falling ignorantly For the devices of the devil because you believe tithing isn't necessary, pray earnestly and seek God's face for direction because I Was once like you till the lord reveal it to me. in a nutshell, tithing is part of our obligation to God whether you like it or not. when you get heaven ask God why he made it. Do not lean On your understanding but ask the holy spirit to lead. As far the Bible stated it there, it's a law .if you like argue till Jesus come, you will not change it and the lord Almighty will judge according to what is written and not what you or your pastor thinks
lasly there's nothing like new testament. church Or what name attached to it if not there would not be need for old testament. There wouldn't be need for Jesus to read the book of Isaiah . Some you think running from tithing isn't sin but they end up falling victims for the accuser of the brethren who looks for any slightest fault we make to strike. In case you don't know, witches pay tithe and those that seek for money visit rituals. take it or leave. [/quote

brocab:
Tithing May be for you, because "you" and many don't see reason? The bible shows us clearly on truth. And Jesus has been reaching out showing this in scripture. And why? Before myself their has been many quoting bible truths, on this forum. Because its those few who have found the truth, trying to share the word to our brothers and sisters in Christ, quoting scriptures verse after verse-given you all the guide lines so you can "find" what Jesus found in word for us, in truth. You can believe the lie? But when the time comes meeting up with the lord, I pray you have a good testimony why you believe by choosing to support these many Churches who are involved in quoting and believing and teaching another doctrine {tithing}. Think about it' pastors-preachers, talk more on tithing and offerings, more then the actual call out for the salvation prayer. Less preaching, music, and tithing, is the man's translation. Not the lords. Before I came to the lord, I too was a Robin Hood, brought up in the broncs,{The streets I "lived" was my Kingdom} Ripping off the rich, the needy and the poor. Just to feel satisfied, patting myself on my back, "saying" well done good and faithful servant. And today I see" in our many churches, no different with the life of crime I had lived. I walked in those torments, and carried the heavy burdens" I believed, and walked in the lies. As many of our believers do today? And many refuse to believe the truth, Listen you have nothing to loose. Give yourselves entirely to the lord. He promised in word he will never leave you nor forsake you. He is the way to all truth & the life.

Bros your write up is lenghty but I tried to see exactly how tithing in 21century has corrolation with judaism practices. You mentioned christ asking the Pharisees to tithe. Could you please tell us to which religion they belonged. Again bros,while christ was talking to the Pharisees,where were his followers at that same moment?.When he turned back to his followers,did he ask them just like the pharisees to tithe?. Please give us reason for any answer you may have. I think the best way to understand this tithe issue clearly is to find out if christianity and judaism existed side by side.To my mind,they did.Do you believe this sir?.I want to assume you do just like me. Now help us answer this question too." Since Judaism and Chrisianity existed simultaenously.where was tithing taking place and where was it not taking place and why?". If you have a counter opinion about the existence of these two groups at the same time,please let us know. However if you agree,then bros we will now look into the reasons why on one side some people were tithing and receiving it,while just nearby a different group disobeyed. It is only from this point of view that people can reason with each other clearly.

The fact that those of us who teach that God does not require monetary tithe have consistently given Scripture that supports our teaching should be proof enough that we are not "illiterate."

Funny how the one who accuses us of illiteracy has never produced any Scripture that says money is to be tithed to the Church.

As I said in an earlier post, a study of the Word of God will reveal the following undeniable truth.

In the Bible, there is not a single verse that shows tithes were ever commanded for the Church, that tithes were ever carried to the Church, or that tithes were ever controlled by the Church.

Greed, ignorance, and pride are three attributes that prevent tithe teachers from admitting this truth. For many, it is greed, because they have a love for money. For some, it is because they truly are ignorant of what the Word says and have no desire to know. For others, their pride prevents them from admitting they fell for the tithe lie and have been hoodwinked into parting with money as a result of that lie.

Firstly I don't recall sharing with you anything I had mentioned, Christ asking the Pharisees to tithe. The Pharisees, first appeared in the second century B.C. They appear to have originated from a group called the "Hasidim" { God's loyal ones} By about 135 B.C. they were known as Pharisees {the separated ones} The Pharisees were the keepers of the mosaic law, {the Torah} they believed that having guardianship of this law was proof they were God's chosen people. To whom the Messiah would come, they believed the Messiah would be an earthly King. A son of David whom God would raise up, and establish an earthly kingdom, freeing them from the Roman rule. They also believed in order to remain in favour with God, by keeping the Torah. Second" Christian & Judaism do they stand side by side? Jesus Christ belongs, and is intelligible, only in his Jewish & biblical context, while at the same time an adequate assessment of who he is ,sheds a radical new light on that context, causes to be viewed differently, but does not destroy or negate it. it was the interest of the evangelist not to destroy or negate Judaism, but to remain dialogue with it. Thus although the Jews have a deadly hostility towards Jesus. The first fruits offering started with Abel, then later Abram gave "all" a tithe from the spoils of war. But it still don't answer your questions, why you believe tithing is for today? Birds they neither sow, and they neither reap, nor put into barns, but yet the lords feeds them. How much more are you. A few questions I have for you to answer, did the disciples pay customs or taxes, tithes to Jesus? And why did Jesus say in Matthew 17-24 when the a question was asked to peter, does not your teacher not pay the temple tax? he said yes, after walking into the house, Jesus asked him saying what do you think Simon? From whom do the Kings of the Earth take customs or taxes, from their own sons or from strangers. Peter answered from strangers. Jesus then said the sons are free. Tithing back then was use to feed the priest-hood, as well as the poor, the needy. the strangers, the widows. The law on tithing was to bring foods into the store house. If The tithing was set up so their will be food in the storehouse to feed the priest-hood, and the poor? Then why do the churches today, ask for the tithe from all walks of life, such as the needy, the poor, the widows, and the fatherless, the rich and the middle class people? And what storehouse can hold massive large numbers of financial gain. for whom? And why does the lord say in 1 Timothy 6-5 unless wranglings of men of corrupt minds and destitute of the truth, who suppose the godliness is the means of gain. From such withdraw yourselves.

chysam:


Bros your write up is lenghty but I tried to see exactly how tithing in 21century has corrolation with judaism practices. You mentioned christ asking the Pharisees to tithe. Could you please tell us to which religion they belonged. Again bros,while christ was talking to the Pharisees,where were his followers at that same moment?.When he turned back to his followers,did he ask them just like the pharisees to tithe?. Please give us reason for any answer you may have. I think the best way to understand this tithe issue clearly is to find out if christianity and judaism existed side by side.To my mind,they did.Do you believe this sir?.I want to assume you do just like me. Now help us answer this question too." Since Judaism and Chrisianity existed simultaenously.where was tithing taking place and where was it not taking place and why?". If you have a counter opinion about the existence of these two groups at the same time,please let us know. However if you agree,then bros we will now look into the reasons why on one side some people were tithing and receiving it,while just nearby a different group disobeyed. It is only from this point of view that people can reason with each other clearly.

In the old testament, Tithing was put in place, because the priesthood and the poor will be fed. These day's tithing is put in place to feed the priesthood but not the poor. But demanding tithes from all sorts of life, such as the needy, the poor, the strangers, the fatherless. Tithing was never money. But bring your tithes into the storehouse Malachi 3 That there maybe food in my house. So if I brought into your house a tin of soup would you accept it? All would you prefer' I sell that tin of soup, so you can receive the monies? You may say, I cant travel with just a tin of soup, but with the cash I can do the lords work. We seem to always look at a MUCH LARGER picture, usually though lack of understanding:The lord said: I have been knocking but no-one is answering I have sent my servant to you, but no-one has opened. I'm calling your name but your not listening. I have sent the hungry to you, but they walked away empty handed. All would you prefer to sell the soup, so you can collect, and retrieve that prosperous life. Matthew 7:21-23 Not everyone who says to me, lord, lord," shall enter the kingdom of heaven. But he who does the will of my father in heaven. Many will say to me in that day "lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in your name, cast out demons in your name, and done many wonders in your name? and then he will declare to them I never knew you. [quote author=chysam post=27343458][/quote]

MarkMiwerds:
please provide Scripture that says money is to be tithed by an assembly of Believers on Gentile soil.

But for YEARS, you've being unable to produce scriptures or even twist any that bars or discouraged tithes on gentile soil.

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But for YEARS, you've being unable to produce scriptures or even twist any that bars or discouraged tithes on gentile soil.

Your comment is as unintelligent as saying: "Show me in the Bible where it says the Atlantic Ocean is not a way to heaven"

trustman:

Your comment is as unintelligent as saying: "Show me in the Bible where it says the Atlantic Ocean is not a way to heaven"

Is the Atlantic ocean mentioned in the bible? You're trying to resort to logic as usual. Try harder, or better still ask God to guide you.

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But for YEARS, you've being unable to produce scriptures or even twist any that bars or discouraged tithes on gentile soil.

What other prove are you looking for?. Since you clearly know and understand that even your own jesus and his followers did not pay nor receive tithes.The onus is therefore on you to explain to him the reasons why they did neither of it.Probably if you meet Jesus or Paul or peter ect,you will still ask them to show you where they wrote it down that jesus and his followers must not tithe even when they are not tithing.In reality you are the one twisting the bible and not that guy.Just simply explain why jesus and his followers did none of it and it would be clear.But as long as you tithe advocators explain it without including jesus and his disciples,then there is a conspiracy somewhere.

brocab:
Firstly I don't recall sharing with you anything I had mentioned, Christ asking the Pharisees to tithe. The Pharisees, first appeared in the second century B.C. They appear to have originated from a group called the "Hasidim" { God's loyal ones} By about 135 B.C. they were known as Pharisees {the separated ones} The Pharisees were the keepers of the mosaic law, {the Torah} they believed that having guardianship of this law was proof they were God's chosen people. To whom the Messiah would come, they believed the Messiah would be an earthly King. A son of David whom God would raise up, and establish an earthly kingdom, freeing them from the Roman rule. They also believed in order to remain in favour with God, by keeping the Torah. Second" Christian & Judaism do they stand side by side? Jesus Christ belongs, and is intelligible, only in his Jewish & biblical context, while at the same time an adequate assessment of who he is ,sheds a radical new light on that context, causes to be viewed differently, but does not destroy or negate it. it was the interest of the evangelist not to destroy or negate Judaism, but to remain dialogue with it. Thus although the Jews have a deadly hostility towards Jesus. The first fruits offering started with Abel, then later Abram gave "all" a tithe from the spoils of war. But it still don't answer your questions, why you believe tithing is for today? Birds they neither sow, and they neither reap, nor put into barns, but yet the lords feeds them. How much more are you. A few questions I have for you to answer, did the disciples pay customs or taxes, tithes to Jesus? And why did Jesus say in Matthew 17-24 when the a question was asked to peter, does not your teacher not pay the temple tax? he said yes, after walking into the house, Jesus asked him saying what do you think Simon? From whom do the Kings of the Earth take customs or taxes, from their own sons or from strangers. Peter answered from strangers. Jesus then said the sons are free. Tithing back then was use to feed the priest-hood, as well as the poor, the needy. the strangers, the widows. The law on tithing was to bring foods into the store house. If The tithing was set up so their will be food in the storehouse to feed the priest-hood, and the poor? Then why do the churches today, ask for the tithe from all walks of life, such as the needy, the poor, the widows, and the fatherless, the rich and the middle class people? And what storehouse can hold massive large numbers of financial gain. for whom? And why does the lord say in 1 Timothy 6-5 unless wranglings of men of corrupt minds and destitute of the truth, who suppose the godliness is the means of gain. From such withdraw yourselves.

Sorry Bros,it was not meant for you but mistakenly directed.I know we are on the same page.Thanks.

chysam:


What other prove are you looking for?. Since you clearly know and understand that even your own jesus and his followers did not pay nor receive tithes.The onus is therefore on you to explain to him the reasons why they did neither of it.Probably if you meet Jesus or Paul or peter ect,you will still ask them to show you where they wrote it down that jesus and his followers must not tithe even when they are not tithing.In reality you are the one twisting the bible and not that guy.Just simply explain why jesus and his followers did none of it and it would be clear.But as long as you tithe advocators explain it without including jesus and his disciples,then there is a conspiracy somewhere.

i've explained to well well before my brother. He's just a stubborn and hardened person.

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i've explained to well well before my brother. He's just a stubborn and hardened person.

Sharrap! You heartless God dishonoring scripture twister with a dead conscience.

What is there in the bible that you have explain about tithe ?

What can you explain about the bible when tithe is mention when you are asking Gentiles and christians to pay tithes ?

truthislight:


Sharrap! You heartless God dishonoring scripture twister with a dead conscience.

What is there in the bible that you have explain about tithe ?

What can you explain about the bible when tithe is mention when you are asking Gentiles and christians to pay tithes ?

seconded!!!