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Re: intimate Perversions That Leads To Hell Christians Should Avoid. by plaetton: 9:52pm On Oct 29, 2014 |
Liekiller: From my experience, it is always irredeemable perverts that lose sleep over the intimate activities of others. 3 Likes |
Re: intimate Perversions That Leads To Hell Christians Should Avoid. by malvisguy212: 9:58pm On Oct 29, 2014 |
plaetton:abraham practiced in-breeding, but the divine law come from God,abraham is only a human and we all know humans are not perfect. |
Re: intimate Perversions That Leads To Hell Christians Should Avoid. by Liekiller(f): 9:58pm On Oct 29, 2014 |
plaetton: na true talk. Like all the "godly" priests abusing children, raping women, and whatever else they do. And all the "good Christian" family fathers cheating their wives with whores and school girls 2 Likes |
Re: intimate Perversions That Leads To Hell Christians Should Avoid. by Ukutsgp(m): 9:59pm On Oct 29, 2014 |
plaetton: incest was not considered a sin and was not prohibited for Adam and early man. If the race was to populate and fulfill the command of Gen. 1:28 , there is little doubt that Adam’s sons and daughters had to have married their own sisters and brothers if the race was to populate the earth, but due to the purity of the race as evidenced also by the long length of life, there were no adverse effects as we see happening today. Gradually, as the effects of sin took its toll on the human race, marrying one’s own sister, etc., began to create hereditary problems. Here is Ryrie’s comment on this issue from his book Basic Theology (1986 ed) Though by many inerrantists the question of where Cain got his wife would not be considered a problem at all, this question is often used by those who try to demonstrate that the Bible is unreliable in what it claims. How could it claim that Adam and Eve were the first human beings who had two sons, one of whom murdered the other, and yet who produced a large race of people? Clearly, the Bible does teach that Adam and Eve were the first created human beings. The Lord affirmed this in Matthew 19:3-9 . The genealogy of Christ is traced back to Adam (Luke 3:38 ). Jude 14 identifies Enoch as the seventh from Adam. This could hardly mean the seventh from “mankind,” an interpretation that would be necessary if Adam were not an individual as some claim. Clearly, Cain murdered Abel and yet many people were born. Where did Cain get his wife? We know that Adam and Eve had other sons and daughters in addition to Abel, Cain, and Seth (Gen. 5:4 ), and if there was only one original family, then the first marriages had to be between brothers and sisters. Such marriages in the beginning were not harmful. Incest is dangerous because inherited mutant genes that produce deformed, sickly, or moronic children are more likely to find expression in children if those genes are carried by both parents. Certainly, Adam and Eve, coming from the creative hand of God, had no such mutant genes. Therefore, marriages between brothers and sisters, or nieces and nephews in the first and second generations following Adam and Eve would not have been dangerous. Many, many generations later, by the time of Moses, incest was then prohibited in the Mosaic laws undoubtedly for two reasons: first, such mutations that caused deformity had accumulated to the point where such unions were genetically dangerous, and second, it was forbidden because of the licentious practices of the Egyptians and Canaanites and as a general protection against such in society. It should also be noted that in addition to the Bible most other legal codes refuse to sanction marriages of close relatives. |
Re: intimate Perversions That Leads To Hell Christians Should Avoid. by plaetton: 10:03pm On Oct 29, 2014 |
malvisguy212: I sense a big wave of cognitive dissonance in the air. But god didn't complain when god practiced inbreeding. Soyou are saying that what was good for abraham is not necessarily good for modern humans? So we can say that the Descendants of Abraham are the products of a documented sexual perversion. So god makes exceptions for things that he is against? |
Re: intimate Perversions That Leads To Hell Christians Should Avoid. by plaetton: 10:05pm On Oct 29, 2014 |
Ukutsgp:When you post things copied from sites, you should endeavor to acknowledge the source. 1 Like |
Re: intimate Perversions That Leads To Hell Christians Should Avoid. by Ukutsgp(m): 10:05pm On Oct 29, 2014 |
@plaetton and liekiller. It is important to distinguish between incestuous relationships prior to God commanding against them ( Leviticus 18:6-18 ) and incest that occurred after God’s commands had been revealed. Until God commanded against it, it was not incest. It was just marrying a close relative. It is undeniable that God allowed incest in the early centuries of humanity. If Adam and Eve were indeed the only two human beings God created, their sons and daughters would have had no other choice but to marry and reproduce with their siblings and close relatives. The second generation would have had to marry their cousins, just as after the flood the grandchildren of Noah would have had to intermarry amongst their cousins. The reason incest is so strongly discouraged in the world today is the understanding that reproduction between closely related individuals has a much higher risk of causing genetic abnormalities. In the early days of humanity, though, this was not a risk due to the fact that the human genetic code was relatively free of defects. It seems, then, that by the time of Moses, the human genetic code had become polluted enough that close intermarriage was no longer safe. So, God commanded against sexual relations with siblings, half-siblings, parents, and aunts/uncles ( Genesis 2:24 seems to indicate that marriage and sexual relations between parents and children were never allowed by God). It was not until many centuries later that humanity discovered the genetic reason that incest is unsafe and unwise. While the idea of incest is disgusting and abhorrent to us today, as it should be, we have to remember why it is sinful, that is, the genetic problems. Since this was not an issue in the early centuries of humanity, what occurred between Adam and Eve’s children, Abraham and Sarah, and Amram and Jochebed, should not be viewed as incest. Again, the key point is that sexual relations between close relatives must be viewed differently pre-Law and post-Law. It did not become “incest” until God commanded against it |
Re: intimate Perversions That Leads To Hell Christians Should Avoid. by plaetton: 10:09pm On Oct 29, 2014 |
Ukutsgp: The first bolded is the silliest statement I read this month. It is important to distinguish between this type of incest and that type of incest? WTF? Are you sane at all? I guessed you were a pervert. Only a pervert could make this kind of hilarious statement. 3 Likes |
Re: intimate Perversions That Leads To Hell Christians Should Avoid. by Uyi168: 10:10pm On Oct 29, 2014 |
plaetton:..u misundastood mi... |
Re: intimate Perversions That Leads To Hell Christians Should Avoid. by Ukutsgp(m): 10:10pm On Oct 29, 2014 |
plaetton:dnt u see a name there? at least i still have many books regarding the subject. |
Re: intimate Perversions That Leads To Hell Christians Should Avoid. by malvisguy212: 10:12pm On Oct 29, 2014 |
plaetton:did God ask abraham to practiced in-breeding? Let me make somthing clear to you,i have more advantage than abraham,i sopposed to be more holy than him. |
Re: intimate Perversions That Leads To Hell Christians Should Avoid. by Ukutsgp(m): 10:14pm On Oct 29, 2014 |
plaetton:it was not viewed as incest until God's command forbids it. if u do it, u are on your own. dnt be a pervert. |
Re: intimate Perversions That Leads To Hell Christians Should Avoid. by Ukutsgp(m): 10:18pm On Oct 29, 2014 |
plaetton:it either u obey God or perish in hell for disobedience. |
Re: intimate Perversions That Leads To Hell Christians Should Avoid. by plaetton: 10:20pm On Oct 29, 2014 |
malvisguy212: So, to put it in another way, Abraham's i.nce.st was like a form of self-defence, he had no choice but to do it? |
Re: intimate Perversions That Leads To Hell Christians Should Avoid. by Liekiller(f): 10:20pm On Oct 29, 2014 |
Ukutsgp: gosh, the mindboggling C-R-A-P you people come up with to deal with obvious flaws in your unholy holy book!!! 2 Likes |
Re: intimate Perversions That Leads To Hell Christians Should Avoid. by plaetton: 10:21pm On Oct 29, 2014 |
Ukutsgp: I can't figure it who is more schizophrenic right now, you or your invisible sky monster. 3 Likes |
Re: intimate Perversions That Leads To Hell Christians Should Avoid. by Ukutsgp(m): 10:23pm On Oct 29, 2014 |
plaetton:this is so daft. u have to check the meaning of sexual perversion first. |
Re: intimate Perversions That Leads To Hell Christians Should Avoid. by Ukutsgp(m): 10:27pm On Oct 29, 2014 |
Liekiller:Roman 1:26-27 26 For this reason God gave them up to vile passions. For even their women exchanged the natural use for what is against nature. 27 Likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust for one another, men with men committing what is shameful, and receiving in themselves the penalty of their error which was due. |
Re: intimate Perversions That Leads To Hell Christians Should Avoid. by Ukutsgp(m): 10:31pm On Oct 29, 2014 |
1 cor 6:9-10 9 Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, a nor sodomites, 10 nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God. see u tomorrow. |
Re: intimate Perversions That Leads To Hell Christians Should Avoid. by malvisguy212: 10:31pm On Oct 29, 2014 |
plaetton:i dont understand you, self defence from who?who is attacking him? |
Re: intimate Perversions That Leads To Hell Christians Should Avoid. by malvisguy212: 10:35pm On Oct 29, 2014 |
Liekiller:can you quote the flaws in the bible? I challange you to bring a verse in the bible were God contradict himself. |
Re: intimate Perversions That Leads To Hell Christians Should Avoid. by plaetton: 10:37pm On Oct 29, 2014 |
Ukutsgp: R..ape and in.cest are intimate perversions. Funny enough, they are the intimate perversions most practiced by biblical heroes. Even more funny is the holy ghost itself is guilty of the r.a.pe of a young maiden called Mary, from whence came the supposed redeemer of your soul, according to your holy scriptures. Funny how redemption is coming from perversion. Therefore sir, sexual perversion is embedded in the very fabric of your faith. You sir, are a certified pervert, because you worry about intimate things that other folks do in the privacy of their bedrooms. 3 Likes |
Re: intimate Perversions That Leads To Hell Christians Should Avoid. by plaetton: 10:39pm On Oct 29, 2014 |
malvisguy212:I used the term self-defence to help you out because you were trying to justify Abraham's in.cest. |
Re: intimate Perversions That Leads To Hell Christians Should Avoid. by malvisguy212: 10:46pm On Oct 29, 2014 |
plaetton:yes,abraham sinned, so is david. My point is they are not immortal,but God find favour in them. |
Re: intimate Perversions That Leads To Hell Christians Should Avoid. by plaetton: 10:56pm On Oct 29, 2014 |
malvisguy212: Then I have a problem with your god's moral compass. It's too far below my moral compass. In fact, I think he is post-diagnosed as being schizophrenic. You see why religious faith makes no sense? 2 Likes |
Re: intimate Perversions That Leads To Hell Christians Should Avoid. by Thugnificent(m): 10:59pm On Oct 29, 2014 |
plaetton:hell fire is your destination Mr plaetton unless you remove your mind from filthy lucre |
Re: intimate Perversions That Leads To Hell Christians Should Avoid. by plaetton: 11:04pm On Oct 29, 2014 |
Thugnificent: First, hellfire is for religious imbec.iles. I reject your delusions of an invisible skydaddy, so by rejecting that delusion, I also reject the entire package of devil, evil spirits, demons, angels, heaven and hellfire. I do not smoke those drugs. As for filthy lucre, I do not put my mind nor build my life on filthy lucre. If I did, I would be a pastor of the church of Jesus christ. 3 Likes |
Re: intimate Perversions That Leads To Hell Christians Should Avoid. by Liekiller(f): 11:08pm On Oct 29, 2014 |
Ukutsgp: could you possibly put this into words that a normal person from the 21st century can understand? |
Re: intimate Perversions That Leads To Hell Christians Should Avoid. by Thugnificent(m): 11:13pm On Oct 29, 2014 |
plaetton:So you're not afraid of eternal torment? and besides, why are you clearly in support of intimate perversion? |
Re: intimate Perversions That Leads To Hell Christians Should Avoid. by Liekiller(f): 11:17pm On Oct 29, 2014 |
malvisguy212: I have no time for any quoting wars, and I see no point in it. The entire bible contradicts the idea of a loving & caring God, and even more so does organized religion nowadays contradict any useful lesson that could possibly be found in the bible. Several instances of general foolishness have been pointed out in this thread. Furthermore, any sane person does not need an unholy holy book to know that harming others is wrong. I'd wish you believers would focus on that aspect more than the things adults do in their bedrooms that harm nobody at all. 1 Like |
Re: intimate Perversions That Leads To Hell Christians Should Avoid. by plaetton: 11:30pm On Oct 29, 2014 |
Thugnificent: No sir, cognitive dissonance is the equivalence of eternal torment. In what way Am I in support of intimate perversion?. I am just pointing out that one should remove the log in one's eyes before you notice the speck in another person's eye. The scriptures are filled with intimate perversion sanctioned by the so-called god. The op's own obsession with the with intimate acts of others is itself a form of intimate perversion. 2 Likes |
Re: intimate Perversions That Leads To Hell Christians Should Avoid. by plaetton: 11:34pm On Oct 29, 2014 |
Liekiller: God said " thou shall not kill" , then later he ordered Moses to commit acts of genocide. God said " though shall not steal, thou shall not envy" , but he led the Israelites to envy , kill, steal the land and fortunes of other tribes, as well as capturing virgins which they shared amongst themselves, with a portion for the lord. I am still wondering what the lord did with his own share of captured virgins. 3 Likes |
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