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you called this just foundation remember its carrying two story building and additional reinforcement was added to it..prevention is better than cure

im even surprised its just 7m because i spent almost this amount on my bungalow foundation alone of three flat in a swampy area at Lagos

Hazidic:
dis tin over 7million? just for foundation and decking? na lie, it must be a typo or else wahala dey, abegi

Royal30:
i dont think its much

My brother the amount is too much a 2 wing of 2 bedroom flat cost 7m from Foundation - Decking

enrilove12:
you called this just foundation remember its carrying two story building and additional reinforcement was added to it..prevention is better than cure

im even surprised its just 7m because i spent almost this amount on my bungalow foundation alone of three flat in a swampy area at Lagos

My brother such is expensive, I've following this starting from day 1< i have buildings, not even 1 and tall buildings for that matter, so i know what am telling you and syder knows better

Hazidic:
dis tin over 7million? just for foundation and decking? na lie, it must be a typo or else wahala dey, abegi

Thank you, 7 million from Foundation to Dpc, very well expensive

allen0000:


Very Expensive and cost, from Dpc to decking cost 7m, Syder ur good but this one expensive bro

Expensive? I don't think so.

This is the dangers of giving out cost updates, sometimes it might even derail the thread with arguments. But its all good, we are here to learn, and if anyone here can teach me a few more tricks, I will be happy to follow his tips.

I have been very careful with funds, I am always like that. What is the need of entering into a business if I cannot be transparent in my dealings. I had to endure a lot of conditions to deliver at the prices I give, while hoping for better deals ahead. But maybe some people know a better way of doing this more than me. So I will give them the chance to prove it and earn our respect.

This is a classroom, and so I will take a seat at the back of the class and invite our friend allen0000 to come forward and educate us. Please tell us how to make a better management of our financial resources without compromising on structural integrity. Let's start from the foundation and work our way upwards.

1. Allen0000, what will the foundation and DPC of this house cost?
2. List the materials and labour costs of building this foundation?
3. Looking at the pictures I attached, what would you have done differently?

If you can oblige us with your own pictures, it will be great. But if not, please explain so we can learn more. Thank you.

spyder880:
This is the dangers of giving out cost updates, sometimes it might even derail the thread with arguments. But its all good, we are here to learn, and if anyone here can teach me a few more tricks, I will be happy to follow his tips.

I have been very careful with funds, I am always like that. What is the need of entering into a business if I cannot be transparent in my dealings. I had to endure a lot of conditions to deliver at the prices I give, while hoping for better deals ahead. But maybe some people know a better way of doing this more than me. So I will give them the chance to prove it and earn our respect.

This is a classroom, and so I will take a seat at the back of the class and invite our friend allen0000 to come forward and educate us. Please tell us how to make a better management of our financial resources without compromising on structural integrity. Let's start from the foundation and work our way upwards.

1. Allen0000, what will the foundation and DPC of this house cost?
2. List the materials and labour costs of building this foundation?
3. Looking at the pictures I attached, what would you have done differently?

If you can oblige us with your own pictures, it will be great. But if not, please explain so we can learn more. Thank you.

Spyder 880: I am not here to argue with you, as this is your thread, we're all learning and following but the cost is high, am not an Engineer but i know what am telling you....., maybe depends on your location but even at that. All you need is reinforcement, blocks, cement, wood, stone, sand, labour and supervision and this house is not more than 3500 blocks or up to 4000 including the foundation, take a look at those pictures attached and how much do you think it cost me to get that building till decking and Paraphet, all the same your good and I like your work but comedown a bit,

allen0000:


Spyder 880: I am not here to argue with you, as this is your thread, we're all learning and following but the cost is high, am not an Engineer but i know what am telling you....., maybe depends on your location but even at that. All you need is reinforcement, blocks, cement, wood, stone, sand, labour and supervision and this house is not more than 3500 blocks or up to 4000 including the foundation, take a look at those pictures attached and how much do you think it cost me to get that building till decking and Paraphet, all the same your good and I like your work but comedown a bit,

Is a 3 bedroom em suite of 4 flats

allen0000:


Is a 3 bedroom em suite of 4 flats

Hello Allen,roughly how much did it cost you to get to this level and where is the location?

allen0000:


Spyder 880: I am not here to argue with you, as this is your thread, we're all learning and following but the cost is high, am not an Engineer but i know what am telling you....., maybe depends on your location but even at that. All you need is reinforcement, blocks, cement, wood, stone, sand, labour and supervision and this house is not more than 3500 blocks or up to 4000 including the foundation, take a look at those pictures attached and how much do you think it cost me to get that building till decking and Paraphet, all the same your good and I like your work but comedown a bit,

Thank you for your contributions bro, and we are not arguing. We are all learning. Please can you go closer and get a close picture of the decking beam on the decking wood works you posted. I think they are not up to 9 inches, (maybe my eyes are not sharp enough) these are some of the things that saves money in a building. And it will seem like we that use the building plans 100% are expensive. Please can we see your iron reinforcement pictures, I will break he whole thing down for you.

Now this is the point I am trying to make, if you use a 4" deep beam before your decking slab, the beam is going to be shallow, saving you time, cement, sand, granite and labour. I can save a cool N200,000 by just giving a shallow beam, but this is a two deck and the beams are very important to this structure.

If I have more pictures from you, I will point out more things which might have saved you some money.

But dont take offense with me, like I said earlier, we are all going to learn from this.

janykute:

Hello Allen,roughly how much did it cost you to get to this level and where is the location?

Dont worry about the cost but location East, but that 7m is high

allen0000:
Dont worry about the cost but location East, but that 7m is high

Can we see pictures of your decking reinforcements, I want to point out some serious issues which people dont easily notice, but builders do to maximise profits even as the owner thinks he is getting a great deal.

spyder880:
This is the dangers of giving out cost updates, sometimes it might even derail the thread with arguments. But its all good, we are here to learn, and if anyone here can teach me a few more tricks, I will be happy to follow his tips.

I have been very careful with funds, I am always like that. What is the need of entering into a business if I cannot be transparent in my dealings. I had to endure a lot of conditions to deliver at the prices I give, while hoping for better deals ahead. But maybe some people know a better way of doing this more than me. So I will give them the chance to prove it and earn our respect.

This is a classroom, and so I will take a seat at the back of the class and invite our friend allen0000 to come forward and educate us. Please tell us how to make a better management of our financial resources without compromising on structural integrity. Let's start from the foundation and work our way upwards.

1. Allen0000, what will the foundation and DPC of this house cost?


2. List the materials and labour costs of building this foundation?
3. Looking at the pictures I attached, what would you have done differently?

If you can oblige us with your own pictures, it will be great. But if not, please explain so we can learn more. Thank you.

First of all, you’ve obliged the public’s intrusion by posting a cost update. Alleen0000 & Co misgivings are fair in a public forum. It is now incumbent upon you and not them to complete the update by breaking it down. Having done that, the public can judge you fairly. And your transparency would have been complete on how you arrived at the cost of US $43,000.00 or 7M,190K for the latest decking and foundation . It is that simple, otherwise the cost remains a bogus one, fraud. Even for a more superior foundation like raft.

allen0000:
Dont worry about the cost but location East, but that 7m is high

Thank you. Brutally frank people like you are needed in a section like this one to help guide the gullible public. Very good. I guess you're also from the east like him.

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Can we see pictures of your decking reinforcements, I want to point out some serious issues which people dont easily notice, but builders do to maximise profits even as the owner thinks he is getting a great deal.[/quote

I don't have the picture as am not there in Nigeria but to be honest, I am someone who loves building and I can tell categorically the engineer did the best of engineering, I used 9" block through out the exterior and 6" block internal so I believe you will know if the beam is not up to 4" or less but bet me this my building is strong structural, mechanical and electrical. My foundation is of 2 deck but I change mind to 1 deck and this building is 2, one is completed and this is the second, so I know what am telling you, 7m is high either way you see or calculate it, check more of the pictures I have. This ur building is a 2 bed flat which I believe is not up to 10500mm x 19500mm and i know my building is bigger as it is a 3 bed/3 baths flat. Can you break it down for the house. Check the completed and the uncompleted dpc,

Hello, guys this forum is NOT where people come and attack pls it a learning forum if anyone as a better way of saving money, let present it in respective manner.

[quote author=allen0000 post=27949143][/quote]

I just learned another another thing from this your post, I learned that you used 6 blocks for the internal partitioning of your house foundation, which will give you a column width of 150 x 150mm. Well, what else can I say, take another look at the foundation of this house and see how much you will be saving in concrete, both for the foundations and the columns of the whole inside of your house. This is a very big savings as all my columns both below and above the DPC are all 225 x225 mm. You could be saving too much money by doing this.

But I am building a two storey building, I cannot afford to take short cuts.

allen0000:
Dont worry about the cost but location East, but that 7m is high

Which location is this your house so I will know if we are comparing apples with oranges?
Is this Owerri?

spyder880:


I just learned another another thing from this your post, I learned that you used 6 blocks for the internal partitioning of your house foundation, which will give you a column width of 150 x 150mm. Well, what else can I say, take another look at the foundation of this house and see how much you will be saving in concrete, both for the foundations and the columns of the whole inside of your house. This is a very big savings as all my columns both below and above the DPC are all 225 x225 mm. You could be saving too much money by doing this.

But I am building a two storey building, I cannot afford to take short cuts.

I used 9''and 6" in partionising after the dpc slab

sorry I cannot disclose the location but the first building is along Mcc Road Owerri and the new around Trans-Egbu Extension< both buildings are in the city center, 3-5 mins drive from my building to Rockview Hotel ( Govt House) 10mins drive to Concorde Hotel New Owerri. There is no way you compare apple with orange, that structure is more than both and @750k/per year/flat,

[quote author=allen0000 post=27951325]

I used 9''and 6" in partionising after the dpc slab

sorry I cannot disclose the location but the first building is along Mcc Road Owerri and the new around Trans-Egbu Extension< both buildings are in the city center, 3-5 mins drive from my building to Rockview Hotel ( Govt House) 10mins drive to Concorde Hotel New Owerri.

allen0000:


I used 9''and 6" in partionising after the dpc slab

sorry I cannot disclose the location but the first building is along Mcc Road Owerri and the new around Trans-Egbu Extension< both buildings are in the city center, 3-5 mins drive from my building to Rockview Hotel ( Govt House) 10mins drive to Concorde Hotel New Owerri. There is no way you compare apple with orange, that structure is more than both and @750k/per year/flat,

I think we are comparing apples with oranges?

I have built at least 3 houses in Owerri environs and I am sure there is no way you can compare costs between Owerri and Port Harcourt. I have built a house after Egbu, so I know everything about your location. Things are very cheap there. A full load of sharp sand sells for around N10,000 for the one we dig from the burrow pit towards Mbaise. Real washed sand from the river is around N15,000.

In Port Harcourt we buy same sand for N24,000. Surprised?

Wait till I finish, granite chippings are much cheaper in Owerri than Port Harcourt. There is no way your house will not be very low cost to construct. Do we even talk of labour comparison? abeg leave market for market women

All I want is a detailed comparison. Or can you please, remember the total cost you had spent when your house was at this stage?

spyder880:


I think we are comparing apples with oranges?

I have built at least 3 houses in Owerri environs and I am sure there is no way you can compare costs between Owerri and Port Harcourt. I have built a house after Egbu, so I know everything about your location. Things are very cheap there. A full load of sharp sand sells for around N10,000 for the one we dig from the burrow pit towards Mbaise. Real washed sand from the river is around N15,000.

In Port Harcourt we buy same sand for N24,000. Surprised?

Wait till I finish, granite chippings are much cheaper in Owerri than Port Harcourt. There is no way your house will not be very low cost to construct. Do we even talk of labour comparison? abeg leave market for market women

All I want is a detailed comparison. Or can you please, remember the total cost you had spent when your house was at this stage?

https://www.nairaland.com/1990992/construction-six-flats-2-bedroom-three In this link are two buildings, one is a 6 flats of 2 Bedrooms and the other is a 2 flats of 2 bedrooms.

All the deckings of the two buildings combined were executed solidly with a convincing budget of 2.8Million. But Spyder executed a decking and foundation with 7Million. I’m in this forum to say my mind. I don’t care whose ox is gored.Even as some people feel the same way but won’t say it out. Having seen some of the jobs Spyder880 did in this forum, some already dilapidated, I’m highly convinced Spyder is the most dangerous Builder on Nairaland. People should WATCH THEIR WALLETS, Nairaland does not deserve this.

allen0000:
Dont worry about the cost but location East, but that 7m is high

Na lie...give us the cost. This whole argument is based on cost.

ekoibile:


https://www.nairaland.com/1990992/construction-six-flats-2-bedroom-three In this link are two buildings, one is a 6 flats of 2 Bedrooms and the other is a 2 flats of 2 bedrooms.

All the deckings of the two buildings combined were executed solidly with a convincing budget of 2.8Million. But Spyder executed a decking and foundation with 7Million. I’m in this forum to say my mind. I don’t care whose ox is gored.Even as some people feel the same way but won’t say it out. Having seen some of the jobs Spyder880 did in this forum, some already dilapidated, I’m highly convinced Spyder is the most dangerous Builder on Nairaland. People should WATCH THEIR WALLETS, Nairaland does not deserve this.

A decking without beams for N2.8m? The decking does not even have reinforcements rods on top of some walls. Maybe you need to look at my decking again and learn a few tips. I used Y16 rods throughout the beams in this house, every beam is at least 225 x 225 mm all round the house. That is the difference.

Onuokwu:


Na lie...give us the cost. This whole argument is based on cost.

Exactly, the COST.

ekoibile:

Having seen some of the jobs Spyder880 did in this forum, some already dilapidated, I’m highly convinced Spyder is the most dangerous Builder on Nairaland. People should WATCH THEIR WALLETS, Nairaland does not deserve this.

Now with that sentence above, I am surely convinced that you have some personal vendetta with Spyder... may be one day it will all come out.

Hajji M.

mufutau55:


Now with that sentence above, I am surely convinced that you have some personal vendetta with Spyder... may be one day it will all come out.

Hajji M.

It was very clear to me from the first comments he made. But I am not afraid, because I know he is making me a more determined builder. I am less likely to make a blunder now I know there are people like him ready to add salt to the tori

His latest stunt is to attack my costs, without substance of course, but we shall always get better with every job, no matter the number of attcks. They will tire out, as we get stronger, delivering quality and affordable homes as usual.

May God give us the strength to move on, and do more. We have the passion, and the capacity to deliver.
I will compile a long essay this night, about the possible places people can cut costs and rip you off.

Thank you all.

mufutau55:


Now with that sentence above, I am surely convinced that you have some personal vendetta with Spyder... may be one day it will all come out.

Hajji M.

All what what I’ve commented about in this forum were in reaction to the ongoing discussions and evidences in this property section.

I have no personal issues whatsoever with Spyder880 even as I will neither spare any Builder I found wanting in his job. If “vendetta” is to speak out very loudly when somethings are going wrong so be it. Interest of those who labor to bring out their money for projects must equally be protected. And that is exactly what Allen0000 is also doing. Thank you

ekoibile:

All what what I’ve commented about in this forum were in reaction to the ongoing discussions and evidences in this property section.

I have no personal issues whatsoever with Spyder880 even as I will neither spare any Builder I found wanting in his job. If “vendetta” is to speak out very loudly when somethings are going wrong so be it. Interest of those who labor to bring out their money for projects must equally be protected. And that is exactly what Allen0000 is also doing. Thank you

That is not speaking loudly... The problem I have with this is that, you lurk around until someone ask or make a remark about anything that concerns Spyder and then you take-off.. I have been around in this Properties Forum and I have never seen any of your post with this kind of attitude.. so it's got to be something in-between. When you call somebody "Dangerous" what do you think that is?
I will not get into any argument with you because I have no time for it, but please keep things down, no personal attack...

Hajji M.

spyder880:


A decking without beams for N2.8m? The decking does not even have reinforcements rods on top of some walls. Maybe you need to look at my decking again and learn a few tips. I used Y16 rods throughout the beams in this house, every beam is at least 225 x 225 mm all round the house. That is the difference.

I saw that decking too oo.. People don't understand what goes into this buildings. They just pick the smallest price sometimes and follow it.

That decking without beams saved cost of up to 1 million in terms of material cost. Let me break it down a little.

The thickness of the beams (if done) would have been 9” + 6” for the slab totalling 15” thickness as against the 6” thickness.
COST IMPLICATION
Assuming we have 14 columns per building, total of 28 columns for the 2 houses, it will have an extra cost of:

1) 120-140pcs of 1x12 sold @1000 = 140,000
2) 2 tons of 16mm bars @ 116,000 = 232,000
3) 1 ton of 10mm for rings @130k =130,000
4) extra for workmanship (carpenter + iron guys) = 100,000
5) extra cement 80bags = 132,000
6)extra 30 tonnes granite, extra sharpsand, extra water, labour charges + supervision= 250,000.

That's an extra 1 million naira!!!
There are several ways of doing things right..
The cheapest isn't always the best or safest.

ekoibile:


All what what I’ve commented about in this forum were in reaction to the ongoing discussions and evidences in this property section.

I have no personal issues whatsoever with Spyder880 even as I will neither spare any Builder I found wanting in his job. If “vendetta” is to speak out very loudly when somethings are going wrong so be it. Interest of those who labor to bring out their money for projects must equally be protected. And that is exactly what Allen0000 is also doing. Thank you

Ekoibile or Allenooo, your attacks on spyder is uncalled for, there is no wrong doing in constructive criticism but calling some body you have never meet names is uncalled for and it's speaks volum of your personality.

Mr Keneth alias spyder880 have and has build several houses via online I mean from emty bush to standing mansion of which I followed the project here on the web to the last nail, I don't know this spyder I have never meet him before but I have plans for him to handle my project of which he has gone to see my project at Owerri.

50% of spyder clients came from this nairaland although I stand to be corrected, if this guy is as bad as you assume I don't think ppl will give him jobs from here, in fact this forum is the best place to get a good hand that can handle ones project reason being that if the person do any thing dolgy the whole world will here it.

I have a plot of land behind the world international school in port harcourt which cost me about a million to fence it few years back whereas the Owerri one cost less, in a nutshell building in port harcourt is more costly than else where in the east besides spyder has anticedent to protect he is always serious with the quality of jobs he does.

He is not telling you that you can not do the same project with less than what he said that he has spent so far, he is taking the quality of material very serious, when I started my block of flats in Owerri some ppl advised me to use 12 mm rod for my pillers of which I refused some even said I should mix it up with 16 mm I said no I will use 16 mm all trough even the lintel , you can build three bedroom bungalow with 15 million while some body in same street builds the same house with 6 millions Naira it all depends on choice, I know of some rogue building contractors who will collect your millions and will not get the job done talkless of sub standard one.

Pls spare this spyder he is a good man and a good builder, I told you last time on the other of his thread the cracking face me and face you that if you have any indifference with spyder call him and settle it with him than this online attack, it's not good for you neither for him, in fact spyder deserve rounds of applause cos of his transparent nature without him bringing some things here you wount have the chance of calling him name, look the other of ur brother Allenooo he refused to say how much he has spent on that project reaso best to him. May God bless us, pls pardon my long assay