You might have noticed that most terrorists are mostly Muslims. That means that, per capita, the group that produces the most terrorists is Muslims. Why is this the case? It boils down to differences in tradition. The cultures where Islam is dominant have traditions that promote terrorism where other cultures have different traditions that don’t do that. I’ll discuss these traditions in detail.

Traditions are ideas that are commonly known among the vast majority of a culture. People learn these traditions generation after generation. In some cultures the traditions change quickly – we call these dynamic societies – while in other cultures, their traditions don't change quickly – we call these static societies.


Criticism Differentiates between these 2 types of societies, dynamic societies have this tradition of criticism that promotes error correction while static societies don’t. Our knowledge is not perfect. And it’s the imperfections that cause human suffering. In order to lessen our suffering, we must improve our knowledge. And the only way to improve our knowledge is to discover our mistaken ideas (using criticism) and to correct those mistakes (using creativity and more criticism).



Now getting back to Muslims and terrorism, Islamic societies are static societies. These societies have not yet adopted the tradition of criticism. They see criticism as something bad and so criticism is frowned upon. Questioning your parents is bad. Questioning Allah is bad. This is what causes their knowledge to be static – it halts the evolution of knowledge.

Ironically, the Quran explicitly states that it will not be changed. That Allah is protecting it from man-made changes. So it doesn’t evolve. And Muslims claim this as their proof that Islam is right and all other religions are wrong. But knowledge evolution is good, because it corrects mistakes. So, other religions like Christianity have evolved, which means that their knowledge has improved, namely their morality.


This raises the question, how will terrorism stop? Well we need an agent of change, one that will change Islamic cultures everywhere. That agent of change will play a role in their societies adopting a tradition of criticism. I don’t know how this will happen. I don’t know what things must fall into place for this to happen. What I do know is that by adopting a tradition of criticism, a society will enter a golden age, its own Enlightenment. And if it can sustain its tradition of criticism, then it will continue to be a dynamic society indefinitely.

Most MEDIA REPORTED terrorist attacks are muslim. In actual fact, most violent attacks on ordinary civilians are committed by non muslims. Google it.

The popular definition of terrorist subtly implies Muslim acts of violence. The same act committed by a non muslim is not reported as terrorism; but usually as random violence or mental issues.

What we really need to stop 'terrorist' attacks is to stop repeating the popular fable that Islamic culture promotes terrorist attacks or that Muslims want to Islamise the world. Those who commit those attacks often openly state their grievances. Perhaps there is a need to listen to why they actually commit these attacks, not why we like to believe is the real reason. Remember that even little acts of percieved injustice, if left unaddressed, can lead to terrorism.

may God 4giv us

Abuamam:
Most MEDIA REPORTED terrorist attacks are muslim. In actual fact, most violent attacks on ordinary civilians are committed by non muslims. Google it.

The popular definition of terrorist subtly implies Muslim acts of violence. The same act committed by a non muslim is not reported as terrorism; but usually as random violence or mental issues.

What we really need to stop 'terrorist' attacks is to stop repeating the popular fable that Islamic culture promotes terrorist attacks or that Muslims want to Islamise the world. Those who commit those attacks often openly state their grievances. Perhaps there is a need to listen to why they actually commit these attacks, not why we like to believe is the real reason. Remember that even little acts of percieved injustice, if left unaddressed, can lead to terrorism.

when a non Muslim engages in terrorism,the reason for that wouldn't be because of "religion" it might be political,power etc. Or have you seen a group of non Muslims (e.g Christians) trying to christianize people thereby committing genocide when opposed? No,because their religion doesn't promote it.

Abuamam:
Most MEDIA REPORTED terrorist attacks are muslim. In actual fact, most violent attacks on ordinary civilians are committed by non muslims. Google it.

The popular definition of terrorist subtly implies Muslim acts of violence. The same act committed by a non muslim is not reported as terrorism; but usually as random violence or mental issues.

What we really need to stop 'terrorist' attacks is to stop repeating the popular fable that Islamic culture promotes terrorist attacks or that Muslims want to Islamise the world. Those who commit those attacks often openly state their grievances. Perhaps there is a need to listen to why they actually commit these attacks, not why we like to believe is the real reason. Remember that even little acts of percieved injustice, if left unaddressed, can lead to terrorism.

Stop being dishonest here, it is a known fact that most of these terrorists make it clear that they have an Islamic agenda, it is not the media that is painting it that way. Another reason why terrorism thrives is that moderate muslims like you that should oppose and educate your radical brothers keep silent in the face of evil and live in denial instead condemning your terrorist brothers.

PastorKun:


Stop being dishonest here, it is a known fact that most of these terrorists make it clear that they have an Islamic agenda, it is not the media that is painting it that way. Another reason why terrorism thrives is that moderate muslims like you that should oppose and educate your radical brothers keep silent in the face of evil and live in denial instead condemning your terrorist brothers.

First of all. It is not an obligation on me to take responsibility for the actions of another person just because we profess the same religion. So you cannot demand that I educate anyone.

Even so, many of our leaders and scholars have spoken up all over the muslim world. Yet the voices are not ever heard by non muslims. Maybe all muslims everywhere are expected to leave their 8-5 jobs, carry drums and shout their opposition 24/7.

Do you really want me to tell you why we do not do that?

We keep silent because the established Christian churches who want muslims to remain ignorant so as to swell their congregations... and of course pockets, use their lobbies and their media to fight every attempt we make to educate ignorant muslims as to the true teachings of Islam. They call it 'Islamising' the country, even though we muslims have no intention of Islamising anyone except our ignorant brethren. Terrorism is a blowback of your intentions to keep muslims ignorant.

We keep silent because you will lump us together as terrorist anyway. Look at your proposal to 'change Islamic culture', indirectly stating that anyone who professes Islam is liable to have terrorist tendencies. We could fight the extremists among us if we were going to be appreciated for it, but no. All muslims are terrorists in the eyes of non muslims, so why should we lift a finger to help? Either way we are hated. The extremists call us unbelievers and the unbelievers call us extremists. Whoever wins, the true muslims are going to have problems. So leave us out of it.

Finally, we keep silent because when we preach peace for a month, one single drone strike on a wedding party, one single act of extra-judicial execution or one picture of 3 year old muslim girls being run over by Jewish settlers; (never Jewish terrorists mind you, even though they kill innocents); serves to reverse all the peace we have been teaching.

So we realise that speaking up is like swimming endlessly against a fast river current, and we are tired. So we face our education and our jobs and our families. You have proven to be loud and noisy. You speak up.

As for me being dishonest, look at the reasons given in every terrorist video. For instance, every time bin Laden released a video, he spoke about the US support of Israeli atrocities and their domineering foreign policy as being his motive, but Americans knew better of course; it was Kim Kardashian's not wearing hijab that motivated bin Laden. So 15 years on and a few hundred thousand dead muslim civilians later (muslims are terrorists anyway so no probs), Kim Kardashian's rights and freedoms (that were never under threat) are not any more safe, and 'terrorism' is now bigger than ever. If you really want to support peace, remove that log in your eye and see the truth behind terrorism, not what your pastors and the media want you to believe.

Abuamam:


First of all. It is not an obligation on me to take responsibility for the actions of another person just because we profess the same religion. So you cannot demand that I educate anyone.

Even so, many of our leaders and scholars have spoken up all over the muslim world. Yet the voices are not ever heard by non muslims. Maybe all muslims everywhere are expected to leave their 8-5 jobs, carry drums and shout their opposition 24/7.

Do you really want me to tell you why we do not do that?

We keep silent because the established Christian churches who want muslims to remain ignorant so as to swell their congregations... and of course pockets, use their lobbies and their media to fight every attempt we make to educate ignorant muslims as to the true teachings of Islam. They call it 'Islamising' the country, even though we muslims have no intention of Islamising anyone except our ignorant brethren. Terrorism is a blowback of your intentions to keep muslims ignorant.

We keep silent because you will lump us together as terrorist anyway. Look at your proposal to 'change Islamic culture', indirectly stating that anyone who professes Islam is liable to have terrorist tendencies. We could fight the extremists among us if we were going to be appreciated for it, but no. All muslims are terrorists in the eyes of non muslims, so why should we lift a finger to help? Either way we are hated. The extremists call us unbelievers and the unbelievers call us extremists. Whoever wins, the true muslims are going to have problems. So leave us out of it.

Finally, we keep silent because when we preach peace for a month, one single drone strike on a wedding party, one single act of extra-judicial execution or one picture of 3 year old muslim girls being run over by Jewish settlers; (never Jewish terrorists mind you, even though they kill innocents); serves to reverse all the peace we have been teaching.

So we realise that speaking up is like swimming endlessly against a fast river current, and we are tired. So we face our education and our jobs and our families. You have proven to be loud and noisy. You speak up.

As for me being dishonest, look at the reasons given in every terrorist video. For instance, every time bin Laden released a video, he spoke about the US support of Israeli atrocities and their domineering foreign policy as being his motive, but Americans knew better of course; it was Kim Kardashian's not wearing hijab that motivated bin Laden. So 15 years on and a few hundred thousand dead muslim civilians later (muslims are terrorists anyway so no probs), Kim Kardashian's rights and freedoms (that were never under threat) are not any more safe, and 'terrorism' is now bigger than ever. If you really want to support peace, remove that log in your eye and see the truth behind terrorism, not what your pastors and the media want you to believe.

So how come muslims never express outrage to atrocities committed in the name of Islam by these extremists terrorists organisations yet they express outrage to mundane issues such as danish cartoons, desecration of the quoran or even insulting mohammed who is long dead? That aside how come these terrorists are able to justify their evil acts using verses in the quoran and drawing examples from the life of mohammed who is supposed to be your 'perfect' example?

PastorKun:


So how come muslims never express outrage to atrocities committed in the name of Islam by these extremists terrorists organisations yet they express outrage to mundane issues such as danish cartoons, desecration of the quoran or even insulting mohammed who is long dead? That aside how come these terrorists are able to justify their evil acts using verses in the quoran and drawing examples from the life of mohammed who is supposed to be your 'perfect' example?

Because those danish cartoons and desecrations of the Qur'an attack things we hold dear. Our Creator is not an abstract theory. He is real to us.
Tell me, would you feel outraged if I used foul language to abuse your father? Not that I could, but imagine how you would feel if I were to demonstrate the kind of abuse graphically. We love our Lord more than we love our relatives, for He gave us to them and them to us. We love our prophet because of the sacrifices he made in life just to deliver God's message of salvation to us. Whenever you engage or approve of such abuse; as the majority of christians do; think of that analogy.

Did you know that groups like the KKK, or the LRA or even modern day evangelicals (pentecostals in the US) justify their equally evil acts using biblical verses? and just look at this guy https://www.nairaland.com/1986614/devout-christian-beheads-someone .

I am not saying that they do not use verses from the Qur'an to justify their evil acts. But obviously, if that was how those verses are meant to be understood, how come the vast majority of muslims, including all the better educated Islamic scholars, do not go round chopping off heads?

Your implied premise is that the extremists are the good muslims that best understand the Qur'an. Do you know why you think that way? Because you and the extremists have that in common. You understand the Qur'an the same way, no matter how often we explain it to all of you.

Abuamam:


Because those danish cartoons and desecrations of the Qur'an attack things we hold dear. Our Creator is not an abstract theory. He is real to us.
Tell me, would you feel outraged if I used foul language to abuse your father? Not that I could, but imagine how you would feel if I were to demonstrate the kind of abuse graphically. We love our Lord more than we love our relatives, for He gave us to them and them to us. We love our prophet because of the sacrifices he made in life just to deliver God's message of salvation to us. Whenever you engage or approve of such abuse; as the majority of christians do; think of that analogy.

Did you know that groups like the KKK, or the LRA or even modern day evangelicals (pentecostals in the US) justify their equally evil acts using biblical verses? and just look at this guy https://www.nairaland.com/1986614/devout-christian-beheads-someone .

I am not saying that they do not use verses from the Qur'an to justify their evil acts. But obviously, if that was how those verses are meant to be understood, how come the vast majority of muslims, including all the better educated Islamic scholars, do not go round chopping off heads?

Your implied premise is that the extremists are the good muslims that best understand the Qur'an. Do you know why you think that way? Because you and the extremists have that in common. You understand the Qur'an the same way, no matter how often we explain it to all of you.

You can never justify the killing of human beings because of some silly cartoons that depicts another human being in a way you don't like(even though it's true). That said, the head of ISIS Abubakar al bagadhi has a PHD in islamic studies and you can't claim to understand islam better than him. That is apart from the example Muhammed gave of spreading islam through jihad(force) the example of which islamic terrorists follow today. It is my opinion that no true prophet of God would employ violence in spreading the message of God. Jesus preceded mohammed and his methods was 100% peaceful mohammed should have learnt from that if truly he represented the same God.

Difdeef:
Why is this the case? It boils down to differences in tradition. The cultures where Islam is dominant have traditions that promote terrorism where other cultures have different traditions that don’t do that.

Right on spot. Aggression and violence in the name of God was a sacred tradition in the 3 abrahamic religions throughout the middle ages. For instance, Crusades with forced conversion and massacres were conducted by the Church in the past. Overtime, the
Christians got rid of such traditions and that is why it is rare to find Christian insurgents these days.

The Muslims are still struggling with terrorism because the culture of aggression and violence in the name of God is enshrined in the very traditions they insist on upholding.

Here is an article that explains more; They Ask You About Jihad.

The first step towards defeating terrorism in the Muslim community is to be honest in the face of facts, realize it is a theological or ideological matter and not mere product of fanatism.

Abuaman:
Because those danish cartoons and desecrations of the Qur'an attack things we hold dear. Our Creator is not an abstract theory. He is real to us. Tell me, would you feel outraged if I used foul language to abuse your father? Not that I could, but imagine how you would feel if I were to demonstrate the kind of abuse graphically. We love our Lord more than we love our relatives, for He gave us to them and them to us. We love our prophet because of the sacrifices he made in life just to deliver God's message of salvation to us.

Well thought analogy, my friend but it is more of a straw man argument. If a person who believe my father was an evil man insults my father, i may be angry. But i wount pick up sticks and stones to hurl at him. That doesn't put my respect or love for my father in question. I chose to react calmly because my Father has taught me so.

Peace!

see as devil confuse the entire world, entire tribes, entire religion and people. devil confused so much so that they can barely differenciate their right hand from their left. eeya poor people! devil would just lay back somewhere enjoying the show of world confusion. Devil even went so much to make the most foolish person feeling like the smartest person when he/she is on a highway to hell at a speed of light.

Come to GOD whose proper name is ALLAH, the supreme MAN. let him reveal the truth that is hidden to you/us all. so that we can be free indeed and at once. i seek ALLAH's refuge from that accursed satan/devils.
To ALLAH alone be all the entire glory of the universe.

PastorKun:


You can never justify the killing of human beings because of some silly cartoons that depicts another human being in a way you don't like(even though it's true).

Killing people because of a cartoon is insanity.Let me quote a sister of mine who beautifully explains it.

Ayinba1: ENOUGH ALREADY: STOP THIS INSANITY
This message for the most part is for you who say you are a muslim yet you destroy lives and
property because the Prophet Mohammed (pbuh) was insulted. You are no better than the one who did the insulting.
........For where does that sanctity of life amount to nothing in your eyes when Allah (SWT)
expressly forbids you to take someone else's life or even yours in the Quran unless you are in war?
How did you forget the repeated commands of
Allah (SWT) that you should not be the
trangressors, you should be patient? Do you realize how far away you are from the example of the Prophet Mohammed (SAW)? Who was ever more insulted than the beloved Prophet of Allah (pbuh)?
Did he fight for his own sake or did he do it when Allah commanded ?

www.nairaland.com/1053854/enough-already-stop-insanity

That said, the head of ISIS Abubakar al bagadhi has a PHD in islamic studies and you can't claim to understand islam better than him.

Argumentum Ad-Verecundiam(Fallacy of appealing to an authority).Because Abubakar Al Bagadhi possesses a PHD in Islamic studies doesn't make him an authority in Islamic jurisprudence unless he supports his claims with evidences taken in the right context.

There is a noble man, well versed in the Qu'ran and arabic knowledge had a PHD also and doesn't offer solat(prayer).Should we say his Islam is also correct?
Sometimes, it doesn't amount to the knowledge you possessed but how much you understanding you have about the knowledge you possess.
So pastor, stop appealing to unnecessary authorities.

That is apart from the example Muhammed gave of spreading islam through jihad(force) the example of which islamic terrorists follow today.

This is ignorance on your part.Jihad means to strive, no where in arabic is Jihad tantamount to force. If I wake up forFajr solat(morning prayer), I am doing Jihad.

La ikra fi'din (Let There be no compulsion in religion), you don't force people to accept Islam.If Allah wills, He could have made all mankind submissive to his will, that's very easy for my Lord.

It is my opinion that no true prophet of God would employ violence in spreading the message of God.

Violence is different from fighting those that fight you first on the account of your religion, fighting oppressors
etc.
Nobody displays tolerance and loves,it in preaching message like Muhammad(pbuh).People accepted his message because of his gentleness and tolerance.Once he Prophet(pbuh) helped a man with his load and the man doesn't know he was a Prophet.So, this talked badly about Muhammad(pbuh) not knowing it is Muhammad(pbuh) that is helping him with his load.The Prophet(pbuh) didn't utter a word they reached their destination when this man found out it was actually Muhammad(pbuh) that helped with load, he was astonished that he accepted Islam.
That's tolerance and love.

Do you know the story of the Jewish woman that usually pour banana peels on the Prophet(pbuh)'s way?

Jesus preceded mohammed and his methods was 100% peaceful mohammed should have learnt from that if truly he represented the same God.

Peaceful? Don't let us go into the commandments of 'Jesus' that are harsh.

gatiano: Come to GOD whose proper name is Allah, the supreme MAN. let him reveal the truth that is hidden to you/us all. so that we can be free indeed and at once. i seek Allah's refuge from that accursed satan /devils .
To Allah alone be all the entire glory of the
universe.

Allah Subhanahu Wa Ta'ala is not A MAN.Stop spewing trash, Allah says in the glorious Qu'ran in Surah Ash-Asu'ra 42:11 -The Creator of the heavens and the earth. He has made for you mates from yourselves, and for the cattle (also) mates. By this means He creates you (in the wombs). There is nothing like unto Him, and He is the All-Hearer, the All-Seer.

Please refrain, I am suspecting you aren't a muslim

@OP. DO you have data to support the title of this thread?
Or is this just sensationalism again?
Unfortunately for you and your type, you only mislead them and yourself. Take time to find out the truth so it can set you free or at least make you stop peddling lies.

ayinba1:
@OP. DO you have data to support the title of this thread?
Or is this just sensationalism again?
Unfortunately for you and your type, you only mislead them and yourself. Take time to find out the truth so it can set you free or at least make you stop peddling lies.

what's this one saying? take your time and read again.

ayinba1:
@OP. DO you have data to support the title of this thread?
Or is this just sensationalism again?
Unfortunately for you and your type, you only mislead them and yourself. Take time to find out the truth so it can set you free or at least make you stop peddling lies.

Are you on this planet The assertions the OP made are in public domain and we read about it everyday. No data is needed to arrive at that conclusion and even honest muslims admit and are embarrassed by this fact. Fact remains that the overwhelming majority of terrorists globally are islamic extremists.

lanrexlan:
Killing people because of a cartoon is insanity.Let me quote a sister of mine who beautifully explains it.


www.nairaland.com/1053854/enough-already-stop-insanity

Argumentum Ad-Verecundiam(Fallacy of appealing to an authority).Because Abubakar Al Bagadhi possesses a PHD in Islamic studies doesn't make him an authority in Islamic jurisprudence unless he supports his claims with evidences taken in the right context.

There is a noble man, well versed in the Qu'ran and arabic knowledge had a PHD also and doesn't offer solat(prayer).Should we say his Islam is also correct?
Sometimes, it doesn't amount to the knowledge you possessed but how much you understanding you have about the knowledge you possess.
So pastor, stop appealing to unnecessary authorities.

This is ignorance on your part.Jihad means to strive, no where in arabic is Jihad tantamount to force. If I wake up forFajr solat(morning prayer), I am doing Jihad.

La ikra fi'din (Let There be no compulsion in religion), you don't force people to accept Islam.If Allah wills, He could have made all mankind submissive to his will, that's very easy for my Lord.

Violence is different from fighting those that fight you first on the account of your religion, fighting oppressors
etc.
Nobody displays tolerance and loves,it in preaching message like Muhammad(pbuh).People accepted his message because of his gentleness and tolerance.Once he Prophet(pbuh) helped a man with his load and the man doesn't know he was a Prophet.So, this talked badly about Muhammad(pbuh) not knowing it is Muhammad(pbuh) that is helping him with his load.The Prophet(pbuh) didn't utter a word they reached their destination when this man found out it was actually Muhammad(pbuh) that helped with load, he was astonished that he accepted Islam.
That's tolerance and love.

Do you know the story of the Jewish woman that usually pour banana peels on the Prophet(pbuh)'s way?

Peaceful? Don't let us go into the commandments of 'Jesus' that are harsh.

Stop being out rightly dishonest, Arab muslims that understand their language better than you admit that Jihad is 'holy' war which is used to propagate the spread of Islam through force. This is what mohammed himself did and there are tonnes of record from authentic islamic sources that he spread his religion through violent means. The defensive wars that mohammed fought were very few in number. Most of his military campaigns were offensive.

usermane:


Well thought analogy, my friend but it is more of a straw man argument. If a person who believe my father was an evil man insults my father, i may be angry. But i wount pick up sticks and stones to hurl at him. That doesn't put my respect or love for my father in question. I chose to react calmly because my Father has taught me so.

Peace!

I agree with that sentiment. However, there are a lot of people who would pick up stones and hurl at you if you abuse their father. Only they are then judged as individuals.
And it is not every muslim that comes out on the street to pick up stones to hurl at people, nor is it even a large percentage. Yet the desire to attribute every undesirable action carried out by a tiny minority of muslims to all is irresitible.

PastorKun:

You can never justify the killing of human beings because of some silly cartoons that depicts another human being in a way you don't like(even though it's true). That said, the head of ISIS Abubakar al bagadhi has a PHD in islamic studies and you can't claim to understand islam better than him. That is apart from the example Muhammed gave of spreading islam through jihad(force) the example of which islamic terrorists follow today. It is my opinion that no true prophet of God would employ violence in spreading the message of God. Jesus preceded mohammed and his methods was 100% peaceful mohammed should have learnt from that if truly he represented the same God.

I totally agree as I said above. But different people have different tempers. Life is that way. And if you still look at them as 'silly cartoons' even after my explanation of their import to us, then I can only conclude that you have your own script to play and are not actually ready to seek solutions as you claim, but just to keep up the current trend of maligning Islam.

That said, Abubakar al Baghdadi is only one of tens of thousands that have PHD in Islamic studies. Hundreds (literally) have condemned his interpretations and provided evidence for their opinions. Yet it is al Baghdadi thatrepresents the entire academic body of muslim scholars. It shows that you only see what fits your prejudice.

The prophet's wars were defensive, never to convert anyone. There is not one single narration of anyone being forced to convert... not one (provide it here if you know any). That is another christian fable created to malign Islam. In any case, this thread is not one to bring out each war fought in early Islam and its justification. Suffice it to say that there is no doubt that the early muslims were driven out from their homes, sanctioned, tortured and killed, their property stolen, simply because they preached against idol worship. They were even pursued into exile in Abyssinia and Medina for further punishment. Only then was permission given to fight. The use of force was used when necessary by many 'true' prophets even in your Bible. Or were Moses, David, Solomon, etc and prophets like Elijah that annointed them not true prophets?

PastorKun:


Are you on this planet The assertions the OP made are in public domain and we read about it everyday. No data is needed to arrive at that conclusion and even honest muslims admit and are embarrassed by this fact. Fact remains that the overwhelming majority of terrorists globally are islamic extremists.

You are wrong again. We agree that the data provided by the mainstream media shows that Islam is the cause of most terrorist attacks. However, the main stream media is skewed in favour of presenting:
- the kind of news that sells, after all they are meant to make profit.
- the kind of news that furthers the agenda of the Governments of countries where they operate, and the agenda of their brothers in big business.
- The kind of news that fits in with their personal perspective.

Above all, there is the issue of abusing the word 'terrorism'. Most people cannot define the word without putting 'muslim' in it. The UN definition of terrorism, if applied without bias, covers activities that the US government, the Israeli government and other 'axis of good' members are presently engaged in. But the word is never used for them. So if by definition, terrorism means MUSLIM acts of violence, then how can a non-muslim be a terrorist?

Abuamam:
Most MEDIA REPORTED terrorist attacks are muslim. In actual fact, most violent attacks on ordinary civilians are committed by non muslims. Google it.

The popular definition of terrorist subtly implies Muslim acts of violence. The same act committed by a non muslim is not reported as terrorism; but usually as random violence or mental issues.

What we really need to stop 'terrorist' attacks is to stop repeating the popular fable that Islamic culture promotes terrorist attacks or that Muslims want to Islamise the world. Those who commit those attacks often openly state their grievances. Perhaps there is a need to listen to why they actually commit these attacks, not why we like to believe is the real reason. Remember that even little acts of percieved injustice, if left unaddressed, can lead to terrorism.

Cut the crap!

Show us what the definition of terrorism is and explain how this subtly implies Muslim acts of violence.

Then follow that by showing us a few examples where same acts committed by Muslim terrorists, when committed by others are labelled "random violence" or "mental issues".

You seem to be proficient in pulling moronic rubbish from your arsse and labelling it "knowledge" or "facts".

Sagamite:


Cut the crap!

Show us what the definition of terrorism is and explain how this subtly implies Muslim acts of violence.

Then follow that by showing us a few examples where same acts committed by Muslim terrorists are labelled "random violence" or "mental issues".

You seem to be proficient in pulling moronic rubbish from your arsse and labelling it "knowledge" or "facts".

Did you see the link that I provided on the christian who watched christian videos, read the gospel of Matthew, and went beheading? He was said to have mental problems. The Muslim that beheaded a co worker just a week earlier was a terrorist.
Have you taken the time to read up on fundamentalist christians who burn down abortion clinics in the US, attack mosques and even Sikh temples? What of the angelic EDL who specialise in mosque arson and beating up muslim women in England? How about Israeli settlers who practise their sniping skills on teenage Palestinians, or run Palestinian kids over with cars if they do not have long range sniper rifles? They all have mental issues. But let a muslim do any of the above and he is a terrorist.
Oh and all those school shootings and theatre shootings would have been called what if the perpetrator had been muslim?

Just get off CNN and BBC for some time. Or expand your mind by watching or reading alternative media sites. You will realise that the crap is real.

Abuamam:


Did you see the link that I provided on the christian who watched christian videos, read the gospel of Matthew, and went beheading? He was said to have mental problems. The Muslim that beheaded a co worker just a week earlier was a terrorist.
Have you taken the time to read up on fundamentalist christians who burn down abortion clinics in the US, attack mosques and even Sikh temples? What of the angelic EDL who specialise in mosque arson and beating up muslim women in England? How about Israeli settlers who practise their sniping skills on teenage Palestinians, or run Palestinian kids over with cars if they do not have long range sniper rifles? They all have mental issues. But let a muslim do any of the above and he is a terrorist.
Oh and all those school shootings and theatre shootings would have been called what if the perpetrator had been muslim?

Just get off CNN and BBC for some time. Or expand your mind by watching or reading alternative media sites. You will realise that the crap is real.

So your example is of someone:

- Who did not state that he is killing for his religion or to defend his religion or enhance the propagation of his religion

- Who killed his friend, not a bunch of strangers he sees as not from his religion

- Is a heavy drug user

- Practices witchcraft

- Rambles on about magic and sacrifice for justification for the killing

That is your moronic comparison to Boko Haram, ISIS and Al-Qaeda?

Abuamam:


I agree with that sentiment. However, there are a lot of people who would pick up stones and hurl at you if you abuse their father. Only they are then judged as individuals.
And it is not every muslim that comes out on the street to pick up stones to hurl at people, nor is it even a large percentage. Yet the desire to attribute every undesirable action carried out by a tiny minority of muslims to all is irresitible.




I totally agree as I said above. But different people have different tempers. Life is that way. And if you still look at them as 'silly cartoons' even after my explanation of their import to us, then I can only conclude that you have your own script to play and are not actually ready to seek solutions as you claim, but just to keep up the current trend of maligning Islam.

That said, Abubakar al Baghdadi is only one of tens of thousands that have PHD in Islamic studies. Hundreds (literally) have condemned his interpretations and provided evidence for their opinions. Yet it is al Baghdadi thatrepresents the entire academic body of muslim scholars. It shows that you only see what fits your prejudice.

The prophet's wars were defensive, never to convert anyone. There is not one single narration of anyone being forced to convert... not one (provide it here if you know any). That is another christian fable created to malign Islam. In any case, this thread is not one to bring out each war fought in early Islam and its justification. Suffice it to say that there is no doubt that the early muslims were driven out from their homes, sanctioned, tortured and killed, their property stolen, simply because they preached against idol worship. They were even pursued into exile in Abyssinia and Medina for further punishment. Only then was permission given to fight. The use of force was used when necessary by many 'true' prophets even in your Bible. Or were Moses, David, Solomon, etc and prophets like Elijah that annointed them not true prophets?

Obviously you are lying to defend islam(tequiya) I understand this is perfectly ok for muslim faithfuls but to us, it is unacceptable. The quoran and hadiths are replete with several offensive battles waged to further the cause of Islam by the prophet himself. This link http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_expeditions_of_Muhammad provides information on 100 battles mohammed personally led and they were mostly offensive and to spread Islam through forceful means.

PastorKun:


Stop being out rightly dishonest, Arab muslims that understand their language better than you admit that Jihad is 'holy' war which is used to propagate the spread of Islam through force.

You just keep committing fallacy, understanding arabic isn't tantamount to understanding Islam.Arabic is a language while Islam is a way of life, two different things pastor.
Jihad doesn't mean holy even in arabic, it is derived from the root word 'Ja-Ha-Da'(Jim Hau Dal) which means to strive.
Jihad can be in various forms, and it doesn't in any manner means forcing people to accept Islam.

This is what mohammed himself did and there are tonnes of record from authentic islamic sources that he spread his religion through violent means. The defensive wars that mohammed fought were very few in number. Most of his military campaigns were offensive.

Offensive? Tutor us scholar, bring it forth as usual.

lanrexlan:
You just keep committing fallacy, understanding arabic isn't tantamount to understanding Islam.Arabic is a language while Islam is a way of life, two different things pastor.
Jihad doesn't mean holy even in arabic, it is derived from the root word 'Ja-Ha-Da'(Jim Hau Dal) which means to strive.
Jihad can be in various forms, and it doesn't in any manner means forcing people to accept Islam.

Offensive? Tutor us scholar, bring it forth as usual.

No matter how you want to spin it, there is overwhelming records from the life of mohammed that he spread Islam through violent means and he taught his followers to do likewise. And till this day some muslims(boko haram,ISIS)0 are still spreading Islam through violent means.

Sagamite:


So your example is of someone:

- Who did not state that he is killing for his religion or to defend his religion or enhance the propagation of his religion

- Who killed his friend, not a bunch of strangers he sees as not from his religion

- Is a heavy drug user

- Practices witchcraft

- Rambles on about magic and sacrifice for justification for the killing

That is your moronic comparison to Boko Haram, ISIS and Al-Qaeda?

Since when has terrorism been defined as killing for religion? Do you have a personal definition?

Oh really ? So did Major Nidal. He killed his friends. Still a terrorist.

That's the point. They ALWAYS manage to put drugs into the issue when it is a non muslim. No one bothers too look for drugs when it is a muslim. He was a "religious zealot". Did you miss that part?

He did not practice witchcraft, he accused the victim of practicing witchcraft. Justification for killing: magic is anti christian.

I am not comparing him to Boko Haram, ISIS or al Qaeda. You asked me to provide you with instances where a non muslim committed the same act as a muslim, but was given seperate labels.

You want christian groups equivalent to alQaeda etc? Enjoy:

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_terrorism

Those are 'admitted' terrorists. Of course, drone bombing, collective destruction, extra judicial execution and torture, and land armed robberies committed by governments, are not terrorist acts, though the same percentage of civilian/ combatant mortality subsists.

PastorKun:


No matter how you want to spin it, there is overwhelming records from the life of mohammed that he spread Islam through violent means and he taught his followers to do likewise. And till this day some muslims(boko haram,ISIS)0 are still spreading Islam through violent means.

Since you have run out of ideas, you can turn your repetitive words above to a hymn and sing it in your church.

Learn 5 basic facts about Islamist terrorism or insurgencies;

https://www.nairaland.com/2009893/5-things-must-know-islamist#28246323

Most terrorists are not Muslims. In the US for instance, from the late 80s to 1995 or thereabout, Jews carried out more terrorist attacks in the name of their religion.

Even Latinos carried out more terrorist attacks than Muslims.

I was so irritated by the level of stupidity of your first line that I actually forgot to read the rest.

Abuamam:
The Muslim that beheaded a co worker just a week earlier was a terrorist.

Show us this muslim story.

Abuamam:

Have you taken the time to read up on fundamentalist christians who burn down abortion clinics in the US, attack mosques and even Sikh temples?

What do they call these?

Show us.

Abuamam:
What of the angelic EDL who specialise in mosque arson and beating up muslim women in England?

Burning mosques or any building in "terrorism"?

Beating up people is "terrorism"?

Show us where a Muslim has merely burned a building or beat up people and it was called terrorism.

Abuamam:

How about Israeli settlers who practise their sniping skills on teenage Palestinians, or run Palestinian kids over with cars if they do not have long range sniper rifles? They all have mental issues. But let a muslim do any of the above and he is a terrorist.

This is the ONLY one so far that makes sense.

Abuamam:

Oh and all those school shootings and theatre shootings would have been called what if the perpetrator had been muslim?

Show us what they call the people that perform these.