This is a very important question. How are we saved.

I was scrolling through nairaland religious section this morning and I came across the statement, "God Has/Had No Mother". That is a heavy blanket statement and make no mistake it isn't a scarce statement in the religious forum, infact if you type that word into the search engine you will come out with over 10 hits.

So I decided to discuss this very important matter, one of the most important parts of Christian teaching is the incarnation. It simply says that, man sinned against God and became a slave to the devil and no man could rescue himself from this bondage of sin so God himself had to come in with a human nature to put an end to sin and win our redemption and salvation.

Infact it is a basic part of the christian faith that God took human nature and became man, it is important because no other human being can do it for scripture say "no man can pay his own ransom".

So God himself became man and was born of a woman, Jesus Christ the Word incarnate had a mother. He took human form and was born as all men are and because he was in human nature he could walk with us, talk with us, eat and drink with us, even floged some of us, taught us, and more importantly suffered and died for us and is now ressurrected. If God has no mother that means God was not born, he wasn't even human and could die for you, that means he didn't save you, if God has no mother that means God didn't take human nature and your salvation is nonesense.

If God had no mother that there is no redemption, no salvation and no grace, if God have no mother then all Christians are wasting their time because they believe in an illusion.

If Christ had no mother then the Word of God didn't take flesh, he thus couldn't die, couldn't really eat and wasn't ressurrected so your faith is useless. Without the incarnation there is no redemption or salvation.

So I wish to ask my protestant, penticostal and evangelical brethren, If God didn't have a mother and hence didn't take flesh, how are you saved?

The bible clearly say "you will concieve in your womb and bear a son and you shall name him Jesus", that same bible tells us that Jesus is the Word of God and that "in the begining was the Word and the Word was with God and Word was God".

So I ask again if God didnt take flesh in mary's womb and was born by her (thus by definition his mother) so he will save you and I, if that didn't happen, how then were you saved?


I await matured answers.

heheheheheh ... ... Front seat finx.. grabs a bottle of guldar and await comments and arguements...

johnydon22:
heheheheheh ... ... Front seat finx.. grabs a bottle of guldar and await comments and arguements...

lol,

but this is a serious matter.

Ubenedictus:
lol,
but this is a serious matter.

Don't expect any replies from Christians who don't profess the Catholic faith. Theology is not a favourite of "Protestants". "Marrying" Theology to the Bible is very difficult for them. Why? Most if not all that tried it ended up becoming Catholics (G.K Chesterton, Newman, Scot Hahn). There's this suppressed hidden fear of the end result. But expect a lot from Atheists

Ubenedictus:
lol,

but this is a serious matter.

yes na... na im make me deh front seat with guldar and pepper soup sef...

Mr bene.... u av spoken well, let's gt done with one part u said sumtn abt "save"

My bible told me dt "wt d mouth confession is made unto salvation"

Dt aside.. nw abt Jesuss avin mother or nt

Or God avin mother.

My brother, it's very very clear in d bible.. Mary was an "instrument" tru which Jesus came to earth... mind u it wasn't as tho, he couldn't av descended frm d sky or happend to b in midst of men.. preaching nd nobodi wuld knw wher e came frm.... bt d nature of tinz nd faith of men wuldnt be influenced at such. at dt point in time.

So in his widow he came tru mary...

Mary was created by God nd mary gave birth to the same "God" while on earth..

Nw we re looking at "God in 2 perspective"

1) as "God on earth"
2) as "God supernatural"

In case (1) mary gave birth to Jesus, she was the instrument tru which he came in full flesh as man

But dt can't nd shldnt b linked to d origin of God in case (2) as supernatural and creator of all frm time immemorial.
because long tym b4 mary was, God has been.

And dt isn't a reason we shld worship (honour) mary, I knw dts where u re driving at....

I was a catholic, I got into the seminary nd got out,i can ask 100 question dt u might not b able to answer.

Tranglatar:


Don't expect any replies from Christians who don't profess the Catholic faith. Theology is not a favourite of "Protestants". "Marrying" Theology to the Bible is very difficult for them. Why? Most if not all that tried it ended up becoming Catholics (G.K Chesterton, Newman, Scot Hahn). There's this suppressed hidden fear of the end result. But expect a lot from Atheists

this is surprising, because the founders of protesanism took pride in having degrees in theology, luther was very proud of his title and made sure everyone knew he was "doctor", calvin instituted a school of theology in geneva. They all like theology and they all knew that it was important that God had a mother.

tonybosses:
Mr bene.... u av spoken well, let's gt done with one part u said sumtn abt "save"

My bible told me dt "wt d mouth confession is made unto salvation"

Dt aside.. nw abt Jesuss avin mother or nt

Or God avin mother.

it is clear that you haven't really been reading your bible.

The only reason you will believe in ur heart and confess with ur mouth and be saved is becos Jesus DIED on the cross for you, if Jesus has no mother, that means he had no human nature he was solely God and couldn't die for u.

If God had no mother then God didn't save u and no matter how much u confess and believe you wont be saved becos you have made the basis of salvation useless.

My brother, it's very very clear in d bible.. Mary was an "instrument" tru which Jesus came to earth... mind u it wasn't as tho, he couldn't av descended frm d sky or happend to b in midst of men.. preaching nd nobodi wuld knw wher e came frm.... bt d nature of tinz nd faith of men wuldnt be influenced at such. at dt point in time.

actually my dear, not once did the bible call mary an "instrument", address her with the words that the bible used.

Secondly, Jesus did jump down from heaven, it was the will of the father that he will be like us in all things but sin. If Jesus jumped down then he wouldn't even qualify as savior becos God already promised that the messiah will be from isreal. So your jumping Jesus does not work that is why the bible tell us that he was born.

So in his widow he came tru mary...

Mary was created by God nd mary gave birth to the same "God" while on earth..

Nw we re looking at "God in 2 perspective"

1) as "God on earth"
2) as "God supernatural"

In case (1) mary gave birth to Jesus, she was the instrument tru which he came in full flesh as man

But dt can't nd shldnt b linked to d origin of God in case (2) as supernatural and creator of all frm time immemorial.
because long tym b4 mary was, God has been.

i never said mary exised before God, infact Jesus created mary becos d bible says "thru him all things were made". But when God came to earth Mary gave birth to him. God became man to save us and mary was his mother.

Anyone who denys that God had a mother in time has denied the incarnation and conseqently his own salvation.

And dt isn't a reason we shld worship (honour) mary, I knw dts where u re driving at....

I was a catholic, I got into the seminary nd got out,i can ask 100 question dt u might not b able to answer.

my dear i didn't ask about your life history and i haven't asked you to honor mary. If the fact that God himself granted her the honor of been his mother is not enough reason to "give honor to whom honor is due" as saint paul say, then i hope luk 1;48 will teach and instruct you on the honor God has given her.

Ubenedictus:
it is clear that you haven't really been reading your bible.

The only reason you will believe in ur heart and confess with ur mouth and be saved is becos Jesus DIED on the cross for you, if Jesus has no mother, that means he had no human nature he was solely God and couldn't die for u.

If God had no mother then God didn't save u and no matter how much u confess and believe you wont be saved becos you have made the basis of salvation useless.

actually my dear, not once did the bible call mary an "instrument", address her with the words that the bible used.

Secondly, Jesus did jump down from heaven, it was the will of the father that he will be like us in all things but sin. If Jesus jumped down then he wouldn't even qualify as savior becos God already promised that the messiah will be from isreal. So your jumping Jesus does not work that is why the bible tell us that he was born.

i never said mary exised before God, infact Jesus created mary becos d bible says "thru him all things were made". But when God came to earth Mary gave birth to him. God became man to save us and mary was his mother.

Anyone who denys that God had a mother in time has denied the incarnation and conseqently his own salvation.


my dear i didn't ask about your life history and i haven't asked you to honor mary. If the fact that God himself granted her the honor of been his mother is not enough reason to "give honor to whom honor is due" as saint paul say, then i hope luk 1;48 will teach and instruct you on the honor God has given her.

Mr bene sincerely I dnt understand ur message here... Wht re u trying to say boss?

And I am yet to see in my bible where God "honoured" mary... mayb I av nt read to dt part yet.

And mind u I didn't deny, dt God (Jesus) didn't av a mother while on earth.....
Pay close attention to the word "while on earth"

because sayin "God has a mother out right might be misleading, hope u understand?

Also about the "jumping Jesus, u obviously got dt illustration wrong"

Let me ask a question... do u knw dt b4 God, u nd mary re d same? I mean none is higher b4 God. Do u live dt?

No one is saved

tonybosses:


Mr bene sincerely I dnt understand ur message here... Wht re u trying to say boss?

And I am yet to see in my bible where God "honoured" mary... mayb I av nt read to dt part yet.

my dear i'll be happy to discuss how God honored mary another day on another thread.

My point on this thread is that it is theologically and biblically inaccurate to say that God made man didn't have a mother and it is my position that anyone who denies that God had a mother in time has also rubbish his own salvation.

And mind u I didn't deny, dt God (Jesus) didn't av a mother while on earth.....
Pay close attention to the word "while on earth"

because sayin "God has a mother out right might be misleading, hope u understand?

how can it be misleading for a Chrisian to say that God was born?

I am very happy that you believe that God did have a mother "while on earth", i am happy you believe that a woman did give birth to our Lord and God. Becos u believe this, the thread isn't against you.

Also about the "jumping Jesus, u obviously got dt illustration wrong"

actually, i understood your illustration, your point was that God could have come anyway he liked, but my point is that God didn't just come any how or jump down, God CHOSE from the begining to come thru a woman,
we see this in gen 3:15 and the prophet isaiah clearly says "behold a virgin(or maiden) is with child..."
God didn't just jump down, he instead made a conscious chioce to be born and he chose mary to be his mother.

Let me ask a question... do u knw dt b4 God, u nd mary re d same? I mean none is higher b4 God. Do u live dt?

sorry my dear, in what context are you talking about?

God loves every body equally infinite, so before God me and you and mary are loved the same. I believe that.


But before God this is different levels of grace, there is also different levels of spiritual gifts and different levels of glory, in those levels you, mary and myself are not equals. There are people in higher levels of glory, there are people in higher levels of grace and in the context of glory and grace you are not their equal.

@OP, Jesus is the son of God. Even God testified this when Jesus was baptized. This is MU BELOVED SON....

You mean that God was baptized and the same God spoke from heaven to say that he is a beloved son of himself? Na wa for you people o.

Even Jesus commended Peter when he said "thou art the Christ, the son of the living God.

Ubenedictus:
my dear i'll be happy to discuss how God honored mary another day on another thread.

My point on this thread is that it is theologically and biblically inaccurate to say that God made man didn't have a mother and it is my position that anyone who denies that God had a mother in time has also rubbish his own salvation.

how can it be misleading for a Chrisian to say that God was born?

I am very happy that you believe that God did have a mother "while on earth", i am happy you believe that a woman did give birth to our Lord and God. Becos u believe this, the thread isn't against you.



actually, i understood your illustration, your point was that God could have come anyway he liked, but my point is that God didn't just come any how or jump down, God CHOSE from the begining to come thru a woman,
we see this in gen 3:15 and the prophet isaiah clearly says "behold a virgin(or maiden) is with child..."
God didn't just jump down, he instead made a conscious chioce to be born and he chose mary to be his mother.


sorry my dear, in what context are you talking about?

God loves every body equally infinite, so before God me and you and mary are loved the same. I believe that.


But before God this is different levels of grace, there is also different levels of spiritual gifts and different levels of glory, in those levels you, mary and myself are not equals. There are people in higher levels of glory, there are people in higher levels of grace and in the context of glory and grace you are not their equal.

Here is what I meant by it would be misleading...saying God was "born" might send a signal to a child or a baby in Christianity,that d origin that is d event dt brought about God, I event dt happened b4 genesis 1:1, dt brought about the existence of God is the birth tru mary... and u nd I dt wuld b very false to say...

Now sayin Jesus was born by Mary "on earth" would effectively channel d mind of d listener or d reader into d event tru d happened tru which Jesus too flesh as man....you understand?


That is the distinction I want to make....

And also I would also like to know where it was state that God honoured mary or commanded us to honour her, because I blive as knowledge pops up evriday our approach nd understand of the bible changes.

And also I would like you to study d difference btw d "saved" nd d "redeemed"... den u wuld understand dt in terms of grace, glory and. gift of d spirit... I am "higher" dan mary.

And I can prove it.

I would love to ask a question, do u blive dt any practise dt isn't biblical practised along syd wt Christianity, takes Christianity from being a way of life to being a RELIGION?

The questions you should ask yourself are:
Who is God?
Is God a man(flesh) or a spirit?
Do you worship a man who became a god or a Spirit who became flesh?

Answer:
If you worship a man that became a god then his mother is Marry.
But if you worship a Spirit who became flesh then your God has no mother.

tonybosses:



Here is what I meant by it would be misleading...saying God was "born" might send a signal to a child or a baby in Christianity,that d origin that is d event dt brought about God, I event dt happened b4 genesis 1:1, dt brought about the existence of God is the birth tru mary... and u nd I dt wuld b very false to say...

Now sayin Jesus was born by Mary "on earth" would effectively channel d mind of d listener or d reader into d event tru d happened tru which Jesus too flesh as man....you understand?


That is the distinction I want to make....

i clearly understand and i note your distinction, mary is not the "origin" of God, she simply gave birth to him when he came to earth.

And also I would also like to know where it was state that God honoured mary or commanded us to honour her, because I blive as knowledge pops up evriday our approach nd understand of the bible changes.

what do you understand by the word "honour"?

And also I would like you to study d difference btw d "saved" nd d "redeemed"... den u wuld understand dt in terms of grace, glory and. gift of d spirit... I am "higher" dan mary.

hehehe, redemption refers to Christ paying our ransom from sin, death and hell, salvation is simply redemption applied to us individually.

And in both cases you still aren't greater than mary in grace or in glory.

And I can prove it.

i would love to see you try to prove it.

I would love to ask a question, do u blive dt any practise dt isn't biblical practised along syd wt Christianity, takes Christianity from being a way of life to being a RELIGION?

nowhere does the bible even say that so that is untrue.

Hiswordxray:
The questions you should ask yourself are:
Who is God?
Is God a man(flesh) or a spirit?
Do you worship a man who became a god or a Spirit who became flesh?

Answer:
If you worship a man that became a god then his mother is Marry.
But if you worship a Spirit who became flesh then your God has no mother.

if this "spirit" became "flesh", then how did the spirit bcome flesh?
The bible give the answer, he was concieved and born by a woman so he had a mother.


this is the most silly attempt at a distinction i have ever heard....


I worship God who took flesh! He became God and man! The person marry gave birth to was both God and man, so yes God had a mother.

honourhim:
@OP, Jesus is the son of God. Even God testified this when Jesus was baptized. This is MU BELOVED SON....

You mean that God was baptized and the same God spoke from heaven to say that he is a beloved son of himself? Na wa for you people o.

Even Jesus commended Peter when he said "thou art the Christ, the son of the living God.

so you dont believe in jn 1:1?

Ubenedictus:


I worship God who took flesh! He became God and man! The person marry gave birth to was both God and man, so yes God had a mother.

Well it seems we don't worship the same God. Because my God didn't became God but he had always been God even before the beginning of the beginning.
My God is eternal and doesn't have a beginning. He is a Spirit and cannot be given birth by flesh.
"That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit." (John 3:6).
My God was never born because He himself is the "Father of spirits" (Heb 12:9).
My God is a Spirit indwelling in flesh, "For in Him [Jesus] dwells all the fullness of the Godhead bodily;" (Col 2:9)
He indwells in a flesh but He himself is not a flesh but a Spirit. "God is Spirit, and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and truth.” (John 4:24).

I don't know who you are worshipping but we are certainly not worshipping the same God.

Hiswordxray:

Well it seems we don't worship the same God. Because my God didn't became God but he had always been God even before the beginning of the beginning.
My God is eternal and doesn't have a beginning. He is a Spirit and cannot be given birth by flesh.
"That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit." (John 3:6).
My God was never born because He himself is the "Father of spirits" (Heb 12:9).
My God is a Spirit indwelling in flesh, "For in Him [Jesus] dwells all the fullness of the Godhead bodily;" (Col 2:9)
He indwells in a flesh but He himself is not a flesh but a Spirit. "God is Spirit, and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and truth.” (John 4:24).

I don't know who you are worshipping but we are certainly not worshipping the same God.

hehehe,

u want to dodge, ok let me dance with you, my God has no begining, the exists of himself.


Since you say "your God" is a spirit indwelling in flesh, how did your God get this flesh?

Ubenedictus:
i clearly understand and i note your distinction, mary is not the "origin" of God, she simply gave birth to him when he came to earth.

what do you understand by the word "honour"?

hehehe, redemption refers to Christ paying our ransom from sin, death and hell, salvation is simply redemption applied to us individually.

And in both cases you still aren't greater than mary in grace or in glory.

i would love to see you try to prove it.

nowhere does the bible even say that so that is untrue.

Good day Mr bene....

I read all you wrote,

Now about honour, there re in to forms honour to man and honour to God( supernatural being)

Honour is derived frm the word KABOD means heavy or weighty. The figurative meaning, however, is far more common: "to give weight to someone." To honor someone, then, is to give weight or to grant a person a position of respect and even authority in one's life. A person grants honor most frequently on the basis of POSITION, STATUS, or WEALTH, but it can and should also be granted on the basis of character.

While honor to God(supernatural being) is an internal attitude of respect, courtesy, and reverence (worship), it should be accompanied by appropriate attention or even obedience. Honor without such action is incomplete; it is lip service

That is my understanding of honor.... in totalllity honour to God (supernatural being) is a form of worship.

Now my question again..where and ow in the bible did God command us to honour mary??

Also I got ur idea about redemption and being saved....i give u a 2\10.......lol

Are u redeemed or saved??

How I wish u knew that we re in a dispensation of grace not law... unlike what was before the death of Jesus,

How I wish u've come to the realisation of the in those day it was the priest that go to God with the prayers of the ppl, unlike now that we approach God personally as a father

The bible says in the last days I wuld pour out my spirit on all men.... if u understand all of these in d revelation of it, you would. Understand, when I say I am "highher" in grace.

Mr brother I av 1001 questions about ur faith to ask, but I wuldbt bore u wt dt, because "catholic church" isn't ur surrname... so I wuld let it pass, but if u tink u re in d best position to Mk me understand sum concept regarding ur faith plz indicate.. so I can cum tru wt it

Ubenedictus:



hehehe,

u want to dodge, ok let me dance with you, my God has no begining, the exists of himself.


Since you say "your God" is a spirit indwelling in flesh, how did your God get this flesh?

Well, you can continue arguing with yourself and denial the truth in order to hold on to the "religion of men".

It is simple, I worship the God described as "Spirit" (John 4:24) but you worship a man born by Marry.
"God is not a man," (Num 23:19).

Everything I have been saying I quote from the Bible but if we are using the same Bible and you want to argue with God's word then take your bible and argue with because I am definitely not going to waste my time arguing with you. It only shows you don't believe your Holy book.
Definitely we don't worship the same God.

The problem is sum ppl pay too much attention into "how Jesus got flesh" all in a means to gt a reason to "worship" mary

In all sincerity, we re nt against u nd ur belief.

Simple questions..

Do u tink ur going to heaven is tied to u honouring mary or not?

Do u tink ur answers to ur prayers in tied to honouring mary or nt?

What is ur definition of idolatory?

Ubenedictus:


so you dont believe in jn 1:1?

Rather you don't understand that bible passage.

Sorry for my late response, i lost my earlier post and i couldn't find time o write another.

tonybosses:


Good day Mr bene....

Now about honour, there re in to forms honour to man and honour to God( supernatural being)

Honour is derived frm the word KABOD means heavy or weighty. The figurative meaning, however, is far more common: "to give weight to someone." To honor someone, then, is to give weight or to grant a person a position of respect and even authority in one's life. A person grants honor most frequently on the basis of POSITION, STATUS, or WEALTH, but it can and should also be granted on the basis of character.

as you have said honor is acknowledging "weight" in a person. In another words Honor is simply granting people RESPECT based on their qualities, character, position, status or even previledge. I do not understand why you think the mother of Jesus doesn't belong to a status deserving of respect, i do not believe it is my job to even try to convince you.

I want u to ask youself a series of question, the woman wu gave birth to my savior and mr president wu do u think is more deserving of respect? How come u respect ur president but u think it is wrong to respect the mother of the king of kings. Ask your self.

Now my question again..where and ow in the bible did God command us to honour mary??

in he exact place where mary overshadow by the holyspirit prophesied, "from henceforth all generations will call be blessed", that is where scriptures bear witness that she is to be respected in every generation.

[quoe]Also I got ur idea about redemption and being saved....i give u a 2\10.......lol

Are u redeemed or saved??

How I wish u knew that we re in a dispensation of grace not law... unlike what was before the death of Jesus,

How I wish u've come to the realisation of the in those day it was the priest that go to God with the prayers of the ppl, unlike now that we approach God personally as a father

The bible says in the last days I wuld pour out my spirit on all men.... if u understand all of these in d revelation of it, you would. Understand, when I say I am "highher" in grace.[/quote] are you also aware that peter, paul, mathew, mark, james luke, philip and all the apostles were born in the dispensation of the law? Are you also higher than them because u were born in the dispensation of grace?



Are you also aware that mary recieved a full dose(perfect) of grace even before the dispensation of grace started? So tell me how you are superior in grace to the person God proclaim "full of grace".

Mr brother I av 1001 questions about ur faith to ask, but I wuldbt bore u wt dt, because "catholic church" isn't ur surrname... so I wuld let it pass, but if u tink u re in d best position to Mk me understand sum concept regarding ur faith plz indicate.. so I can cum tru wt it

my dear, i am happy to answer any question you may have about my faith, all you need to do is make a thread and mention my username and i'll try my best to be there.

tonybosses:
The problem is sum ppl pay too much attention into "how Jesus got flesh" all in a means to gt a reason to "worship" mary

In all sincerity, we re nt against u nd ur belief.

Simple questions..

Do u tink ur going to heaven is tied to u honouring mary or not?

Do u tink ur answers to ur prayers in tied to honouring mary or nt?

What is ur definition of idolatory?

i believe going to heaven is tied to obedience to the word of God and the word of God clearly says all generation will call her blessed, so yes my dear, i think delibrately refusing to follow that scripture passage may actually do harm to your salvation.



Idolatry, is taking any person, animal place, thing or even concept to be God and worshiping i as such.

Hiswordxray:

Well, you can continue arguing with yourself and denial the truth in order to hold on to the "religion of men".

It is simple, I worship the God described as "Spirit" (John 4:24) but you worship a man born by Marry.
"God is not a man," (Num 23:19).

Everything I have been saying I quote from the Bible but if we are using the same Bible and you want to argue with God's word then take your bible and argue with because I am definitely not going to waste my time arguing with you. It only shows you don't believe your Holy book.
Definitely we don't worship the same God.

that simply means you don't even understand the bible you are holding...

The bible also clearly says that that "spirit" i.e the Word "became flesh and dwelt among us" (jn1:14), tha word is identifies as Jesus and he took flesh in the womb of a woman and was born by her. The word incarnate has a mother, and if you do not believe this then i don't see how u can even be a believer in the death of Christ or even recieve salvation.

honourhim:


Rather you don't understand that bible passage.

you want to explain it?

Hiswordxray:

Well, you can continue arguing with yourself and denial the truth in order to hold on to the "religion of men".

It is simple, I worship the God described as "Spirit" (John 4:24) but you worship a man born by Marry.
"God is not a man," (Num 23:19).

Everything I have been saying I quote from the Bible but if we are using the same Bible and you want to argue with God's word then take your bible and argue with because I am definitely not going to waste my time arguing with you. It only shows you don't believe your Holy book.
Definitely we don't worship the same God.

that simply means you don't even understand the bible you are holding...

The bible also clearly says that that "spirit" i.e the Word "became flesh and dwelt among us" (jn1:14), tha word is identifies as Jesus and he took flesh in the womb of a woman and was born by her. The word incarnate has a mother, and if you do not believe this then i don't see how u can even be a believer in the death of Christ or even recieve salvation.

honourhim:


Rather you don't understand that bible passage.

you want to explain it?

Ubenedictus:
i believe going to heaven is tied to obedience to the word of God and the word of God clearly says all generation will call her blessed, so yes my dear, i think delibrately refusing to follow that scripture passage may actually do harm to your salvation.



Idolatry, is taking any person, animal place, thing or even concept to be God and worshiping i as such.

Contradiction!....

Let me hit u wt d truth, it might be hard to swallow but if u read ur bible well enough u wuld catch this.

On the last day, what God would judge is ur manifestation of the the fruit of the spirit that is what would determine our entering heaven or not speaking in tongues, not learning Latin nor praying the rosary (There are fifty of these recitations to Mary and only ten to the Heavenly Father.)

Now ask ur sef this, "all generation shall call u blessed" is that a command for u to asking her to intercede?? Placing her as a co redeemer beside Jesus?

The Catholic Church refers to Mary as a co-redemptrix, which means a redeemer alongside Jesus Christ. This is completely unbiblical. As I explain,we are redeemed only through the sacrifice of Jesus Christ on Calvary, not through any other.

All around the world there are supposed appearances of Mary. The message is always about coming destruction and that people need to pray the rosary daily or they will perish. Devotion to Mary is emphasized in these messages.

Do you know that there was a place in the bible there was a placw One owomen in the crowd raised her voice and said to Jesus "Blessed is the womb that bore You and the breasts at which You nursed"

Guessed Jesus' reply?

tonybosses:


Contradiction!....

what contradiction are you talking about, abi ur bible doesn't say all generation will call her blessed?

Let me hit u wt d truth, it might be hard to swallow but if u read ur bible well enough u wuld catch this.

On the last day, what God would judge is ur manifestation of the the fruit of the spirit that is what would determine our entering heaven or not speaking in tongues, not learning Latin nor praying the rosary (There are fifty of these recitations to Mary and only ten to the Heavenly Father.)

is that not the same as obedience to d word of God, aren't d fruit of the spirit in line with the word of God?


Or you think u will disobey the word of God and still end up in heaven?

Now ask ur sef this, "all generation shall call u blessed" is that a command for u to asking her to intercede?? Placing her as a co redeemer beside Jesus?

The Catholic Church refers to Mary as a co-redemptrix, which means a redeemer alongside Jesus Christ. This is completely unbiblical. As I explain,we are redeemed only through the sacrifice of Jesus Christ on Calvary, not through any other.

you have been misinformed. First and foremost mary is not call Co redemptorist in the sense dat she redeemed d world "with" Jesus, catholicism doesn't teach dat. Instead we teach that she is co redeemptrix becos she participated in our redemption "under" Jesus by giving birth to d redeemer.

All around the world there are supposed appearances of Mary. The message is always about coming destruction and that people need to pray the rosary daily or they will perish. Devotion to Mary is emphasized in these messages.

repentance is also emphasized in those messages, but u didn't see that probably becos u are baised.

Do you know that there was a place in the bible there was a placw One owomen in the crowd raised her voice and said to Jesus "Blessed is the womb that bore You and the breasts at which You nursed"

Guessed Jesus' reply?

"blessed is he who hears d word of God and kip it"?