italo:


It is just a coincidence that from Italy to france to Yemen to Kenya to Somalia to Nigeria to Cameroun to Saudi to Iraq to Syria to UK to Spain to Libya to Egypt to Algeria to Pakistan to Afghanistan to Turkey to to just about anywhere you can find a handful of Muslims...people are beign bombed and shot and mutilated and raped and enslaved...and the cry is almost always "ALLAHU AKBAR!"

You just proved my point. What's the point of being apologetic with unbridled attitude of yours. I have no time to waste with you.
Let me ask you a question. If you are christian, what exactly you people learned in sermons?. Don't they teach you people "christian eschatology" and a branch of knowledge, epistemology?

Sometimes i weep for you people for lack of guidance

@Sameera... My conclusion so far based on our first discussion is that "if what you are telling me is the truth, then majority of muslims (judging from everday occurance) are practicing a corrupted version of Islam...

AgentOfAllah:


Listen mate, I'm irreligious, so the most convenient thing for me to do, if I were like you, that is, would be to cite the misadventures of the crusaders and the jihadis and conclude that religions make people do evil things. There is an element of truth in that disposition. Religion does enable otherwise sane people to do insane things. But there is more to it. I'm going one step further than just pointing fingers. I'm genuinely interested in knowing the root cause, rather than pontificating with a smug sense of superiority.

If pointing fingers makes you feel better about yourself and your religion, by all means, go ahead. Quite frankly, I think all religions are a presumptuous and glorified gallimaufry of things; a bad marriage between gibberish and incredibly useful teachings, so forgive me if I don't engage you in your favourite contest of whose religion is better, it's simply because I neither find such discussions useful nor inspiring.

When you're ready to have a real discussion about the root cause of terrorism, I'll be happy to engage you.

My friend what are u talking about exactly, the topic of this thread is not about terrorism, read the op's letter to christains. .. it's more of an invitation to question her about Islam .. if you want to knw the root cause of the terrorism we are facing today. that's fine, ur name is agentofAllah, and u say u aare irreligious my guess is that u are an ex muslim or non practising Muslim. .. if you have a quran close by open it and read. ..i won't quote Verses for you. . Do the research ypu self. .. Get a bible do the same. ..
Yes i agree with you, religion do make sane people do insane things as well as make insane people do sane things. But it depends on the religion u submit to my friend. ..

Please don't take my bluntness and "matter of fact" approach as condescension. Below is afunny pic to make u smile, visit http://www.councilofexmuslims.com/ for more pics

dude since u brought this up. Let's discuss more on this issue... why do u think islam is efficient at convincing sane people to commit acts of terror while on the other handthe majority of Muslims seem opposed to jihad even though the Qur'an approves fighting idisbelievers in the name of Allah . .. what is your honest take on this. ..

Empiree:
You just proved my point. What's the point of being apologetic with unbridled attitude of yours. I have no time to waste with you.
Let me ask you a question. If you are christian, what exactly you people learned in sermons?. Don't they teach you people "christian eschatology" and a branch of knowledge, epistemology?

Sometimes i weep for you people for lack of guidance

Salam Empiree, I sent you an email. Please check your inbox.

Ifeann:


My friend what are u talking about exactly, the topic of this thread is not about terrorism, read the op's letter to christains. .. it's more of an invitation to question her about Islam ..

Okay

if you want to knw the root cause of the terrorism we are facing today. that's fine, ur name is agentofAllah, and u say u aare irreligious my guess is that u are an ex muslim or non practising Muslim. .. if you have a quran close by open it and read. ..i won't quote Verses for you. . Do the research ypu self. .. Get a bible do the same. ..

I've read the Quran and the bible, and they are both interesting in the sense that they compete with each other on violent themed contents. I personally think the bible edges the Quran in violence.

Yes i agree with you, religion do make sane people do insane things as well as make insane people do sane things. But it depends on the religion u submit to my friend. ..

Lol... So you say.

Please don't take my bluntness and "matter of fact" approach as condescension.

You are mistaking crass representation of statistics as bluntness and "matter of fact". To be clear, I'm all for bluntness, but your interpretation of "bluntness" is quite shallow, as you seem happy dwelling on the perfunctory anecdotes that reinforce your deeply entrenched prejudices. Go read the first comment you addressed to me. It was not blunt, it was just provocative: "Islam is a death cult".

Since according to your brand of statistics, correlation implies causation, let's play a game called the FactCheck.
Statistically, the percentage of incarcerated blacks in the United states is somewhere between 50% & 60%. So let me throw your question back at you. Why are blacks...what's that phrase you used?... "full of drama"? Why can't you people just be peaceful in the the States?

Below is afunny pic to make u smile, visit http://www.councilofexmuslims.com/ for more pics

that's a funny picture. I'm sure the message of Islam will resonate with most pigs; something that is bound to raise not a few eyebrows from members of the bovine family.

dude since u brought this up. Let's discuss more on this issue... why do u think islam is efficient at convincing sane people to commit acts of terror while on the other handthe majority of Muslims seem opposed to jihad even though the Qur'an approves fighting idisbelievers in the name of Allah . .. what is your honest take on this. ..

The majority of Muslims seem opposed to violent jihad for the same reasons majority of Christians seem opposed to the violent verses in the bible: Such teachings are anachronistic. Yet, there are still fundamentalists who believe god wants them to act on his behalf.

Empiree:
You just proved my point. What's the point of being apologetic with unbridled attitude of yours. I have no time to waste with you.
Let me ask you a question. If you are christian, what exactly you people learned in sermons?. Don't they teach you people "christian eschatology" and a branch of knowledge, epistemology?

Sometimes i weep for you people for lack of guidance

Plz stop playing the victim here... Islam is only tied with terrorism as a result of wat most of its followers do. No one is saying muslims are the only once who are bad... Every religion/tribe have their own share of bad pple. But watch the diff btw all of them. Its only the bad muslims that uses religion to justify their act of violence and the good ones dont do much to dissociate themself from the act. Now show me which other religion have pple used to justify their act of violence...? Its the muslim that brought all these upon themselves...

AgentOfAllah:


There is something very macabre about your mindset which I should point out:
On the one hand, you've acknowledged that someone is on a peace mission, and then, not a line later, you're advising them to hold their peace? Wow!!! WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU If somebody is trying to spread peace in a deeply fragmented society, you don't tell them to hold their peace, you bloody join the peace train and win more vociferous peace lovers over until the mischievous ones are grossly outnumbered and silenced.

Let me end with this very beautiful phrase from Edmund Burke: All that is necessary for evil to triumph is that good men do nothing.

There you have it! Keep holding your peace at your own peril!!!

I beg you never to qoute me again pls!I didn't quote you here or direct my statement to you!what is your prOblem?

Empiree:
Sister, permit me to say this, pls. Pls dont apologise for anything. You did nothing wrong. You and countless other muslims are not responsible for actions of clowns. No apologies, pls. Doing that ridicules you.

Many people of other faith commit crimes. Their crimes are attached to them only. Feel no guilt. You are absolutely not answerable for anyone's mischieves. Get over it. These non-muslim fellows you are apologetic towards know very well Islam is not the cause. They chose to blame religion. Get over apologies. Enough said

No where have I apologized for anything. As a muslim it's important to spread knowledge. This is merely a platform to set things straight for those who have been fed false knowledge on Islam. I have not ridiculed myself in any way. Even if no one wants to believe the truth I feel I have done my part by at least trying.

Rich4god:
Plz stop playing the victim here... Islam is only tied with terrorism as a result of wat most of its followers do. No one is saying muslims are the only once who are bad... Every religion/tribe have their own share of bad pple. But watch the diff btw all of them. Its only the bad muslims that uses religion to justify their act of violence and the good ones dont do much to dissociate themself from the act. Now show me which other religion have pple used to justify their act of violence...? Its the muslim that brought all these upon themselves...

This is cheap propaganda. Don't you guys learned anything in your religion about eschatology?

Jamo90:


Salam Empiree, I sent you an email. Please check your inbox.

wasalam, if you talking about email you sent yesterday i replied yesterday as well. So far i don't see new email from you today. i will resend my reply.

I urge everyone to follow the #whoisMuhammed trend on twitter. There you will see muslims all around the world telling the truth about the beloved prophet (pbuh), and condemning the acts of terrorists.

sameera025:
I urge everyone to follow the #whoisMuhammed trend on twitter. There you will see muslims all around the world telling the truth about the beloved prophet (pbuh), and condemning the acts of terrorists.

Just a simple for you. what is your opinion on the death penalty imposed on those who converted from Islam to other religion. is it right or wrong? did the Qoran or the prophet Muhammed support the killing people who left Islam to other religion?

lastmessenger:
Just a simple for you. what is your opinion on the death penalty imposed on those who converted from Islam to other religion. is it right or wrong? did the Qoran or the prophet Muhammed support the killing people who left Islam to other religion?

Rich4God asked the same question and I answered by saying:

What is written on such people is:
"Neither the Jews nor the Christians will be pleased with you (O Muhammad) till you follow their millah. Say: “Surely, the guidance of God is the (true) guidance”. And if you were to follow their desires after what has come to you of knowledge, then you would not have any protector or helper against God. (2:120)
So, it says if you leave islam after practicing it then you will face God. So if anything I take this to mean they should be left for Allah to handle.

Although, In shariah law,
The punishment for apostasy (riddah) is well-known in Islaamic Sharee’ah. The one who leaves Islaam will be asked to repent by the Sharee’ah judge in an Islaamic country; if he does not repent and come back to the true religion, he will be killed as a kaafir and apostate, because of the command of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him): "Whoever changes his religion, kill him." (Reported by al-Bukhaari, 3017).

(Islam qna.com)

sameera025:


Rich4God asked the same question and I answered by saying:

The quran doesn't state a punishment for such. Remember we are told to follow the rulings of the quran. What is written on such people is:
"Neither the Jews nor the Christians will be pleased with you (O Muhammad) till you follow their millah. Say: “Surely, the guidance of God is the (true) guidance”. And if you were to follow their desires after what has come to you of knowledge, then you would not have any protector or helper against God. (2:120)
So, it says if you leave islam after practicing it then you will face God. So if anything I take this to mean they should be left for Allah to handle.

From your reply, I can conclude that the bad Muslims are the ones who kill people for leaving Islam. Am still wondering why it is so rampant in the Muslim world to kill the so called apostate. It took the cry of the whole world for the Sudanese government to overturn the death sentence handed down to a pregnant woman last year.
Anyway thanks For replying.
And finally, is there a compaign by the good Muslims to stop such killings?

Rich4god:
I think am done asking about what Islam teaches on death penalty and punishment... Now this your reply bring me to the next question, TOLERANCE...

What is the teaching of Islam on allowing non muslims leave in their land. I want know what Islam teaches on tolerance...

@sameera025... Still waiting on the above...

Rich4god:
@sameera025... Still waiting on the above...

God says in the Quran:

"There is no compulsion in religion…" (Quran 2:256)

Not only does Islam demand their freedom to practice religion, but also that they be treated justly as any other fellow human.  Warning against any abuse of non-Muslims in an Islamic society, the Prophet stated:

"Beware!  Whoever is cruel and hard on a non-Muslim minority, curtails their rights, burdens them with more than they can bear, or takes anything from them against their free will; I (Prophet Muhammad) will complain against the person on the Day of Judgment." (Abu Dawud)

Prophet Muhammad had a Jewish neighbour and this person used to every morning throw his garbage at the door step of the Prophet's home. The Prophet would then pick it up and throw it in the disposal area along with his personal trash. One morning the Prophet didn't see any garbage on his door step and he didn't really care much about it. The next morning same thing and so on, until a week passed by without any garbage being put on the Prophet's door step. So our Prophet went to that Jewish neighbor and paid him a visit to check on him. The Jewish neighbor was sick and he was in bed. Our Prophet then started taking care of his Jewish neighbor and the Jewish very soon embraced Islam because of our beloved Prophet's high morals.
The point of the story is that Prophet Muhammad was very ordinary. He wasn't rich nor was he treated with any special security by anyone. He spent his wealth on good Islamic causes and he was the best role model for everyone.

http://www.islamreligion.com/articles/374/viewall/

lastmessenger:

From your reply, I can conclude that the bad Muslims are the ones who kill people for leaving Islam. Am still wondering why it is so rampant in the Muslim world to kill the so called apostate. It took the cry of the whole world for the Sudanese government to overturn the death sentence handed down to a pregnant woman last year.
Anyway thanks For replying.
And finally, is there a compaign by the good Muslims to stop such killings?

I'm not sure of campaigns for that issue in particular but there are campaigns to stop terrorism as a whole by muslims. I guess we can say it's all part of terrorism.

Here are some links:

http://m.citynews.ca/2014/11/12/muslim-group-hopes-to-stop-homegrown-terrorism-through-national-campaign/

http://calgaryherald.com/news/local-news/muslim-students-association-aims-to-stop-the-crisis

http://www.buzzfeed.com/rossalynwarren/muslims-are-speaking-out-against-isis-to-say-you-do-not-repr?s=mobile

http://foreignpolicyblogs.com/2014/10/10/moderate-muslims-speak-out-against-terrorism/

sameera025:


I'm not sure of campaigns for that issue in particular but there are campaigns to stop terrorism as a whole by muslims. I guess we can say it's all part of terrorism.

Here are some links:

http://m.citynews.ca/2014/11/12/muslim-group-hopes-to-stop-homegrown-terrorism-through-national-campaign/

http://calgaryherald.com/news/local-news/muslim-students-association-aims-to-stop-the-crisis

http://www.buzzfeed.com/rossalynwarren/muslims-are-speaking-out-against-isis-to-say-you-do-not-repr?s=mobile

http://foreignpolicyblogs.com/2014/10/10/moderate-muslims-speak-out-against-terrorism/

Good response. Do you believe the Christians and Muslims are worshipping the same God?
Final question, can you marry a christain and will your family allow it?

sameera025:


God says in the Quran:

"There is no compulsion in religion…" (Quran 2:256)

Not only does Islam demand their freedom to practice religion, but also that they be treated justly as any other fellow human.  Warning against any abuse of non-Muslims in an Islamic society, the Prophet stated:

"Beware!  Whoever is cruel and hard on a non-Muslim minority, curtails their rights, burdens them with more than they can bear, or takes anything from them against their free will; I (Prophet Muhammad) will complain against the person on the Day of Judgment." (Abu Dawud)

Prophet Muhammad had a Jewish neighbour and this person used to every morning throw his garbage at the door step of the Prophet's home. The Prophet would then pick it up and throw it in the disposal area along with his personal trash. One morning the Prophet didn't see any garbage on his door step and he didn't really care much about it. The next morning same thing and so on, until a week passed by without any garbage being put on the Prophet's door step. So our Prophet went to that Jewish neighbor and paid him a visit to check on him. The Jewish neighbor was sick and he was in bed. Our Prophet then started taking care of his Jewish neighbor and the Jewish very soon embraced Islam because of our beloved Prophet's high morals.
The point of the story is that Prophet Muhammad was very ordinary. He wasn't rich nor was he treated with any special security by anyone. He spent his wealth on good Islamic causes and he was the best role model for everyone.

http://www.islamreligion.com/articles/374/viewall/

If what you wrote is the truth, then most muslims are practicing the adultrated version of islam. Today's muslims practice the reverse of what you wrote up there. Cos frm my exp with SOME muslim communities, they have little tolerance for pple of other faith... I mean, they dont give them the freedom to practice their own faith/free will.
I think, alot needed to be done in other to enlighten muslims on the teaching of islam...

lastmessenger:

Final question, can you marry a christain and will your family allow it?

@Sameera025... The above is my next question...

@sameera025, agentofAllah, empiree and co... Hope you guys are seeing what is going on in Niger, Turkey and other muslim countries... In as much as charlie hebdo went over the edge to use Mohammed on their front cover... But that doesnt warrant all these protest and destruction of properties as seen in Niger republic. When will muslims organize a massive rally against BH, IS, Al qaeda and their likes. These are the kind of action that makes pple feel and believe that islam is a violent religion and supports terrorism...

lastmessenger:

Good response. Do you believe the Christians and Muslims are worshipping the same God?
Final question, can you marry a christain and will your family allow it?

No we do not. Muslims worship Allah alone. We believe, Prophet Isa (Jesus) is a servant of Allah. Prophet Muhammad was the last messenger of Allah. Christians worship Jesus.
No it is not permissible for a muslim woman to marry a christian, but a muslim man may marry a christian woman.

Rich4god:
@sameera025, agentofAllah, empiree and co... Hope you guys are seeing what is going on in Niger, Turkey and other muslim countries... In as much as charlie hebdo went over the edge to use Mohammed on their front cover... But that doesnt warrant all these protest and destruction of properties as seen in Niger republic. When will muslims organize a massive rally against BH, IS, Al qaeda and their likes. These are the kind of action that makes pple feel and believe that islam is a violent religion and supports terrorism...

Check the links I recommended for lastmessenger. They are all examples of different groups of muslims protesting against terrorism. Also on twitter, you will see tons of muslims clarifying islam and criticizing terrorism. #whoisMuhammed

sameera025:


No we do not. Muslims worship Allah alone. We believe, Prophet Isa (Jesus) is a servant of Allah. Prophet Muhammad was the last messenger of Allah. Christians worship Jesus.
No it is not permissible for a muslim woman to marry a christian, but a muslim man may marry a christian woman.

Ok Allah is different from the God of the Christians. The fact that Muslim women is not allowed to marry a Christians is the reason why the divide and animosity will not end anytime soon. Until we see ourselves as humans first before our respective religion, the world may not know peace.

lastmessenger:

Ok Allah is different from the God of the Christians. The fact that Muslim women is not allowed to marry a Christians is the reason why the divide and animosity will not end anytime soon. Until we see ourselves as humans first before our respective religion, the world may not know peace.

Here's the explanation behind it:
A Muslim man who marries a Christian woman doesn’t deny the Scripture and the prophet of his Christian wife, on the contrary he approves them and he never disrespects to them. So, a Christian woman isn’t subjected to despise and disrespect by her Muslim husband because of her religion. So, there is no losing of anything for her. However, a Christian man that a Muslim girl marries doesn’t possess such an approval and respect. A Christian man is moderated to accept neither Hadhrat Mohammad (PBUH) nor Qur’an that the Muslim girl believes in. So, a Muslim girl is subjected to despise by getting under the wedlock of a man denying her Scripture, prophet and religion. The obstacle of this marriage is because of this despising. The only solution for such a marriage is that, like a Muslim man, the Christian man must accept the Scripture and the prophet of the Muslim woman whom he wants to get marry with by disclosing his belief through the phrase of the Islamic testimony (I testify that there is no god but Allah, and I testify that Muhammad is Allah’s Messenger).

http://www.questionsonislam.com/question/why-cant-muslim-woman-marry-non-muslim-man

I agree with you. People need to learn to accept one another regardless of their respective religions. Are you an atheist btw?

sameera025:


Here's the explanation behind it:
A Muslim man who marries a Christian woman doesn’t deny the Scripture and the prophet of his Christian wife, on the contrary he approves them and he never disrespects to them. So, a Christian woman isn’t subjected to despise and disrespect by her Muslim husband because of her religion. So, there is no losing of anything for her. However, a Christian man that a Muslim girl marries doesn’t possess such an approval and respect. A Christian man is moderated to accept neither Hadhrat Mohammad (PBUH) nor Qur’an that the Muslim girl believes in. So, a Muslim girl is subjected to despise by getting under the wedlock of a man denying her Scripture, prophet and religion. The obstacle of this marriage is because of this despising. The only solution for such a marriage is that, like a Muslim man, the Christian man must accept the Scripture and the prophet of the Muslim woman whom he wants to get marry with by disclosing his belief through the phrase of the Islamic testimony (I testify that there is no god but Allah, and I testify that Muhammad is Allah’s Messenger).

http://www.questionsonislam.com/question/why-cant-muslim-woman-marry-non-muslim-man

I agree with you. People need to learn to accept one another regardless of their respective religions. Are you an atheist btw?

I am not an athiest but I have always told my friends that I can marry anybody not minding her religion. When Christ was on earth, he did not establish a religion nor did he condemn any religion.this is why i believe it is wrong to judge someone based on his religion. Anybody who has love for a fellow human in her heart is acceptable by me and I don't care about her religion

sameera025:


Here's the explanation behind it:
A Muslim man who marries a Christian woman doesn’t deny the Scripture and the prophet of his Christian wife, on the contrary he approves them and he never disrespects to them. So, a Christian woman isn’t subjected to despise and disrespect by her Muslim husband because of her religion. So, there is no losing of anything for her. However, a Christian man that a Muslim girl marries doesn’t possess such an approval and respect. A Christian man is moderated to accept neither Hadhrat Mohammad (PBUH) nor Qur’an that the Muslim girl believes in. So, a Muslim girl is subjected to despise by getting under the wedlock of a man denying her Scripture, prophet and religion. The obstacle of this marriage is because of this despising. The only solution for such a marriage is that, like a Muslim man, the Christian man must accept the Scripture and the prophet of the Muslim woman whom he wants to get marry with by disclosing his belief through the phrase of the Islamic testimony (I testify that there is no god but Allah, and I testify that Muhammad is Allah’s Messenger).

http://www.questionsonislam.com/question/why-cant-muslim-woman-marry-non-muslim-man

I agree with you. People need to learn to accept one another regardless of their respective religions. Are you an atheist btw?

some hardwork u are doing here,but my Pakistani muslim friends are presently rioting near the French consulate in Islamabad over the new charlie hebdo cartoon,
and there is a facebook page with a Je suis Kouachi tag, praising the brothers who committed the Paris murders with over 20,000 likes,
guess who this 'likers' are?,
Islam needs rebranding

lastmessenger:

I am not an athiest but I have always told my friends that I can marry anybody not minding her religion. When Christ was on earth, he did not establish a religion nor did he condemn any religion. this is why i believe it is wrong to judge someone based on his religion. Anybody who has love for a fellow human in her heart is acceptable by me and I don't care about her religion

Okay, that's interesting to hear. So what exactly do you think his role was on his earth then?

ebamma:
some hardwork u are doing here,but my Pakistani muslim friends are presently rioting near the French consulate in Islamabad over the new charlie hebdo cartoon,
and there is a facebook page with a Je suis Kouachi tag, praising the brothers who committed the Paris murders with over 20,000 likes,
guess who this 'likers' are?,
Islam needs rebranding

They are free to protest against something offensive to the religion. Nothing wrong with that as long as no violence is involved. About the people praising the Paris murders, they are misguided. What is 20,000 likes compared to 1.7 billion muslims?

sameera025:


Okay, that's interesting to hear. So what exactly do you think his role was on his earth then?

Showing men the way to God. He said I am the way, the truth and the life, for no man Can come to the father except by me. This is not a religion. It is open for everybody wherever you are anytime and anywhere. Even if a prostitute is standing on the road side waiting for men, there and then if she accepts Christ, she will be saved.

lastmessenger:

Showing men the way to God. He said I am the way, the truth and the life, for no man Can come to the father except by me. This is not a religion. It is open for everybody wherever you are anytime and anywhere. Even if a prostitute is standing on the road side waiting for men, there and then if she accepts Christ, she will be saved.

So who is the God you believe he is referring to? What has been said about him? Why can't he be worshiped directly? Why only through a man?

Empiree:
wasalam, if you talking about email you sent yesterday i replied yesterday as well. So far i don't see new email from you today. i will resend my reply.

Ok Thanks. I've seen your reply. I really appreciate your help. I'll take note of the points. Thanks