agaugust:


Citation needed.

Everything South Africa does not buy, is not modern. Badger IFV is a 15 years old design still on table and obsolete by 2020 when it enters service after almost 20 years delay, that one you will say it is modern. Mumu
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It enters service in large numbers next year

It is allready in service right now.

BTR-4 is inferior in every way - the date a vehicle is produced does not define how advanced it is.

JF-17 is newer than the F-22... does that make the F-22 inferior to the JF-17?

agaugust:


@Patches is busy boasting about Badger IFV that his army does not have, if wishes were horses....beggars will ride . Lol

6 in service

Deal with those feels.

agaugust:


Did I say carpet bombing? Do a SEAD with long range PGMs on terrorists that have civilians as human shield and let's hear what Amnesty International will say on BBC and CNN.

Your country does not know real war, SANDF is a photography club, simple
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Thing about precision weapons is that they are percise

How many bombs has NATO and the Arab states dropped on ISIS? How many civilians have they killed?

Clown

agaugust:


Iraq rejected them for body welding defects, not internal systems or weapons. Ukraine fixed the welding issue and purchased them.

47 units in all, number sold to Nigeria not known, so you need to prove it's a tiny number out of the 47....it could be 4, it could be 40, nobody knows. Stick to what you know mister
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Why dont you start by showing us that the defects were fixed

"Stick to what you know mister"

agaugust:


Badger CANNOT swim across lake Chad from Nigeria into Chad. BTR-4 will do the job....one of the many points of BTR-4 superiority
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Yes it can.

This is why we chose a modular vehicle.

agaugust:


Ukraine and Nigeria, rust is a welding defect easy to fix. Tanks get whole armour fully upgraded and replaced. What's a tiny rust?
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No, tanks dont get armor replaced

And "tiny rust" is enough to get Iraq who are in the middle of a massive war and desperate for equipment to turn their noses up to it!!

agaugust:


Badger CANNOT swim across lake Chad from Nigeria into Chad. BTR-4 will do the job....one of the many points of BTR-4 superiority
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Amphibious capabilities doesn't make it a better IFV.

The PT-76 tank is amphibious so is that making it better than the Abrams MBT?

SA mechanised forces destroyed it with cannon fire.

mzilakazi:



1km cannot be recorded as the best, at least tell me about 2km and above.

There is nothing special about hitting a target at 1000m away.

World record list includes a 1,250 m sniper kill by an American soldier in Iraq.

Staff Sergeant Jim Gilliland.....September 27, 2005....1,250 m.....M24 rifle 7.62x51mm NATO.......United States....2nd Battalion, 69th Armored Regiment, 3rd Infantry Division Sniper Shadow Team....Iraq War – Ramadi.

A 1,000m sniper kill is NOT common on planet earth ! It's not good in your eyes because a Nigerian soldier did it
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agaugust:


How many snipers have scored 1,000 m hits, how many rifles go that far?

A WW2 british army standard rifle goes that far.

Any battle rifle will go that far.

Do you know the differnce between a battle rifle and an assault rifle?

clue: SKS/FNFAL/SCAR v AK47/FAMAS/R4

saengine:


Why are you changing your story? You said it was a world record, which is why I corrected you. I never said that person would not be trained. But 1000m is a shot that even dedicated marksmen in police units can make. It's nothing to write home about. Okay maybe in Nigeria it is.

Show us how many policemen in South Africa have done 1,000m sniper kills.

Do you know that snipers do miss target?
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agaugust:


Iraq rejected them for body welding defects, not internal systems or weapons. Ukraine fixed the welding issue and purchased them.

47 units in all, number sold to Nigeria not known, so you need to prove it's a tiny number out of the 47....it could be 4, it could be 40, nobody knows. Stick to what you know mister
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You got arround 6 to 7. Since the bulk went to the Ukrainian national guard.
About 40.

agaugust:


Ukraine and Nigeria, rust is a welding defect easy to fix. Tanks get whole armour fully upgraded and replaced. What's a tiny rust?
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you're a complete foo..l.

And no tanks don't.

agaugust:


Badger CANNOT swim across lake Chad from Nigeria into Chad. BTR-4 will do the job....one of the many points of BTR-4 superiority
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Badger CAN swim. Option for amphibious crossing is on the vehicle. Nothing major to change. Since SANDF has no major requirement for amphibious crossing (no big lakes in SA) it is not a major design point.

agaugust:


Citation needed.

Everything South Africa does not buy, is not modern. Badger IFV is a 15 years old design still on table and obsolete by 2020 when it enters service after almost 20 years delay, that one you will say it is modern. Mumu
.

The year somtjing is built does not make it modern or not modern.

The badger is better in every way.

patches689:


try 2,4km

And a South African sniper is recorded as having made one of the longest shots in recorded history (2,2km)

....because he has a special type of rifle that can range that distance....the kill was denied by SANDF anyway
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See how Chadian soldiers are effective against BH?

Unlike some who keep claiming "our operations having an effect", while BH keeps capturing more land.

RESCUE NIGERIA MIGHTY CHAD!!!!!

saengine:


Badger CAN swim. Option for amphibious crossing is on the vehicle. Nothing major to change. Since SANDF has no major requirement for amphibious crossing (no big lakes in SA) it is not a major design point.

They can't swim. They removed the ability for more armour.

agaugust:


....because he has a rifle that can range that distance....the kill was denied by SANDF anyway
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because it was during the middle of the fighting

You dont admit to any capabilities you can hide

And most rifles can reach out and touch you at 1km

patches689:


You can hit targets 1km away with an Enfeild SMLE using only iron sights

Its not difficult at all.

Show us a record of that Enfield killing at 1km with iron sights
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andrewza:


They can't swim. They removed the ability for more armour.

if the need arises armor can be removed and props fitted.

Note that they left the prow plate on the front of the vehicle (it pushes up a wave that keeps the nose of the vehical from diving under the water in choppy conditions)

agaugust:


Show us a record of that Enfield killing at 1km with iron sights
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F7EuIs8ECpk

patches689:
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You goddamn slowpoke.

THE CREWS AND THE SHIPS ARE WHAT THE PIRATES WANT

Cargoes are irrelevant

You don't know piracy since your navy has ZERO experience.

Pirates are different.

Most steal the crude oil, cars, electronics, cargo, etc and divert to a black market selling terminal/jetty.

Few rob sailors for dollars that is not always guaranteed to be in sailors pockets

Very very few want to risk hostage taking drama that will make them face powerful navy SEALS and SBS
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andrewza:


They can't swim. They removed the ability for more armour.

Thats what im saying. Not a major design point. The option to go amphibious is on the vehicle, a radical design change wouldnt be needed. If SA was to conduct heavy operations in regions with a lot of still water.....the amphibious option can be resurrected at a sacrifice of armour.

patches689:


if the need arises armor can be removed and props fitted.

Note that they left the prow plate on the front of the vehicle (it pushes up a wave that keeps the nose of the vehical from diving under the water in choppy conditions)

It is not that simple. It would need to be certfied and test first. It would be fast to build a bridge.

agaugust:


You don't know piracy since your navy has ZERO experience.

Pirates are different.

Most steal the crude oil, cars, electronics, cargo, etc and divert to a black market selling terminal/jetty.

Few rob sailors for dollars that is not always guaranteed to be in sailors pockets

Very very few want to risk hostage taking drama that will make them face powerful navy SEALS and SBS
.

Ok, so you are telling me they just steal boats and then sail them to the nearest port with huge crains and unload it all?

The ships and crew are what they want - ransom

This is an indisputable fact

Only in poorly policed Nigerian waters are they able to unload oil-stock

MikeCZAR:
See how Chadian soldiers are effective against BH?
Unlike some who keep claiming "our operations having an effect", while BH keeps capturing more land.
RESCUE NIGERIA MIGHTY CHAD!!!!!

No, it shows that the press are doing all they can to suppress any news coming out of Nigeria that is good and to exaggerate negatives. Nigerian Army have been on the offensive all week.

http://www.turkishweekly.net/news/179514/nigerian-army-39-dislodges-39-boko-haram-from-ne-town.html

http://www.osundefender.org/?p=210559&cpage=1
How Nigeria Fighter Jets Bombed Boko Haram’s Camp

It is all part of the Psych warfare and propaganda to undermine Nigeria and we are just laughing.

andrewza:


They can't swim. They removed the ability for more armour.

The props were replaced with cabins which can be used to carry chain saws, shovels, water, fuel etc

rka1:


No, it shows that the press are doing all they can to suppress any news coming out of Nigeria that is good and to exaggerate negatives. Nigerian Army have been on the offensive all week.

http://www.turkishweekly.net/news/179514/nigerian-army-39-dislodges-39-boko-haram-from-ne-town.html

http://www.osundefender.org/?p=210559&cpage=1
How Nigeria Fighter Jets Bombed Boko Haram’s Camp

It is all part of the Psych warfare and propaganda to undermine Nigeria and we are just laughing.

"da evil white man hate nigeria [because: reason] but luv da cameroon [because: reason]"

yeah... totally

MikeCZAR:
The props were replaced with cabins which can used to carry chain saws, shovels, water, fuel etc

Yep. Far more useful in the terrain of southern Africa.

patches689:


You can hit targets 1km away with an Enfeild SMLE using only iron sights

Its not difficult at all.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GQ-_ImfenKk

Your video does not prove a 1,000m kill.

Also, the Enfield in the video uses optical telescopic sights NOT the ordinary Iron Sights you claim possible.

Video just shows a man with a rifle, not target seen, we did not even see barrel of gun showing bullet was truly fired.

Teenagers post youtube worldwide and make any claims they like.

You are a fraud as usual. Busted !!!!
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rka1:


No, it shows that the press are doing all they can to suppress any news coming out of Nigeria that is good and to exaggerate negatives. Nigerian Army have been on the offensive all week.

http://www.turkishweekly.net/news/179514/nigerian-army-39-dislodges-39-boko-haram-from-ne-town.html

http://www.osundefender.org/?p=210559&cpage=1
How Nigeria Fighter Jets Bombed Boko Haram’s Camp

It is all part of the Psych warfare and propaganda to undermine Nigeria and we are just laughing.

Even if that was true.

It would again show how weak the Nigerian state is.

andrewza:


Yep. Far more useful in the terrain of southern Africa.

90% of terrain infact

Amphib doctrine only really applies to the soviets because of their emphasis on deep operations which meant that mechanised brigades were expected to operate with limited support so they couldent afford to stop and wait for engineers to come and build a bridge - their plan was to launch multiple simulatanious attacks on NATO lines and when they make a hole throw everything they have into that hole with orders to push on until they either run out of fuel or die* - they also focused on avoiding heavily defended areas like river crossings as they knew that NATO weapons superiority would make them too costly to capture.

Its obsolete, and only really needed for Recon assets and Amphibious assault units

*this is also one of the reasons that they were not overly concerned by the fact that the T-72 was a death trap, T-62M's were designed to go toe to toe with allied tanks in initial engagements, T-72's were designed to exploit break-troughs**
** yes, you are now aware that the T-62 is better than the T-72