saengine:


Lol...cool story. Even deep enough to say French design. You wouldnt happen to know which French company designed it for us? Surely there has to be some information on the net regarding this....i mean, you must have read this somewhere. Please share.

the platform is 80% french made

m.engineeringnews.co.za/article/the-rebirth-of-the-rooivalk-2011-05-20
some of its components are manufactured in South Africa under licence by Denel Aviation

i thought this issue has been dealt with already

@Iterator
please permit me to repost the links
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http://news.yahoo.com/nigeria-stalls-chad-aims-beat-boko-haram-election-083926022.html
http://m.bbc.com/news/world-africa-31695508

Henry120:


Nope, I did not make it up. The Rooivalk has proven to be a failure at multiple bid processes.

Fact, the Rooivalk is a french Helicopter. French expertise, French components, french design.

Failure has nothing to do with the capabilities of the weapons platform, but the marketing and offer side of things.

Just look at the French right now in India regarding the Rafael deal.

Foreign components reduce the cost of development. You design something and to cut costs you contract foreign countries to supply certain systems.

But if those suppliers feel you're breaking the current contract they have with you, they'll threaten pulling out of the contract.

saengine:


Please just kill yourself. Please. Do you think our defence minister gets given a budget, and then when she feels like it just decides who will get what?

Contained within a defence budget are the different allocations for salaries, operations, new equipment etc etc. There is nothing VERY VERY different. South Africa also has a Special Defence Account used to aquire weapons. The Special Defence Account is used to purchase weapons that are considered sensitive and secret. Which is why i always laugh when you say South African weapons are all on the internet to see.


Whether the funds are separate or contained within the bulk of the budget, there is nothing very very different. In both Nigeria and South Africa's cases, funds have been allocated for a specific purpose. But because you're a troll you ignore the fact that the cases are the same.

Fact is that we see Nigeria buying new weapons and we see South Africa grounding the current weapons it has for lack of maintenance money....sign of no cash....proof of financial crisis.

SANDF is broker than broke
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iterator24:

the platform is 80% french made
m.engineeringnews.co.za/article/the-rebirth-of-the-rooivalk-2011-05-20
some of its components are manufactured in South Africa under licence by Denel Aviation
i thought this issue has been dealt with already

The French company that designed the rooivalk for us, please sir.

Out with it.

The request from Patchy was simple enough.

agaugust:


Fact is that we see Nigeria buying new weapons and we see South Africa grounding the current weapons it has for lack of maintenance money....sign of no cash....proof of financial crisis.

SANDF is broker than broke
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Which weapons are grounded?

So you missed the part where South Africa bought 236 brand new world class IFVs? OR 6 new warships? or heavy weight torpedoes? or air-to-air missiles? or 40 000 more soldiers (the size of the army is going to double)?

lol, whatever

lezz:


Your definition of civil war is subjective.

Go look up the definition.

Patchesagain:


Which weapons are grounded?

So you missed the part where South Africa bought 236 brand new world class IFVs? OR 6 new warships? or heavy weight torpedoes? or air-to-air missiles? or 40 000 more soldiers (the size of the army is going to double)?

lol, whatever

4000 not 40 000.

andrewza:


4000 not 40 000.

woops

Patchesagain:


Maybe if you did some research before you opened your mouth you wouldent humiliate yourself
South African literacy rate is over 93%

https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/fields/2103.html

Nope, South African literacy rate is about 40 % and much lower than Nigeria. Your white apartheid masters denied you education as "lesser human beings".

Literacy rate 93% includes illiterate local herbalists and pig farm laborers who speak one of the 10 local languages by birth as mother tongue, they have never been to school, yet they are deceitfully counted as literate for speaking a language like Zulu, etc because you have 10 such local language of illiterates legally recognized by ANC government along with English language the 11th official language.

Only the South Africans who speak English and graduated high school are literate, the rest are illiterate local language speakers and they form about 60 % of South African population.

Your real literary level is about 40 % in Soweto nation, thanks to 100 years of white-man's oppression of your fathers
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agaugust:


Nope, South African literacy rate is about 40 % and much lower than Nigeria. Your white apartheid masters denied you education as "lesser human beings".

Literacy rate 93% includes illiterate local herbalists and pig farm laborers who speak one of the 10 local languages by birth as mother tongue, they have never been to school, yet they are deceitfully counted as literate for speaking a language like Zulu, etc because you have 10 such local language of illiterates legally recognized by ANC government along with English language the 11th official language.

Only the South Africans who speak English and graduated high school are literate, the rest are illiterate local language speakers and they form about 60 % of South African population.

Your real literary level is about 40 % in Soweto nation, thanks to 100 years of white-man's oppression of your fathers
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Citation required

Patchesagain:


Which weapons are grounded?

So you missed the part where South Africa bought 236 brand new world class IFVs? OR 6 new warships? or heavy weight torpedoes? or air-to-air missiles? or 40 000 more soldiers (the size of the army is going to double)?

lol, whatever

South Africa NEVER bought 236 Badger IFVs, you have ONLY about 6 for experimental tests.

You bought no new warships, missiles, torpedoes blah blah blah.....name the weapons and country of sale, and year of delivery, with photos of those 6 new ships in your navy.

You think we Nigerians are fools here that you can bamboozle with your tales by moonlight?
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agaugust:


South Africa NEVER bought 236 Badger IFVs, you have ONLY about 6 for experimental tests.

You bought no new warships, missiles, torpedoes blah blah blah.....name the weapons and country of sale, and year of delivery, with photos of those 6 new ships in your navy.

You think we Nigerians are fools here that you can bamboozle with your tales by moonlight?
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all of them where payed for, awaiting delivery

andrewza:


Citation required

11 official languages recognized by South African government, any body speaking any one of those 10 local languages is counted as being literate.

You need citation for that? Then ask me for citation to prove the capital of South Africa is Pretoria
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agaugust:


11 official languages recognized by South African government, any body speaking any one of those 10 local languages is counted as being literate.

You need citation for that? Then ask me for citation to prove the capital of South Africa is Pretoria
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Speaking does not mean literate. You have to be able to read and write it.

agaugust:


South Africa NEVER bought 236 Badger IFVs, you have ONLY about 6 for experimental tests.

You bought no new warships, missiles, torpedoes blah blah blah.....name the weapons and country of sale, and year of delivery, with photos of those 6 new ships in your navy.

You think we Nigerians are fools here that you can bamboozle with your tales by moonlight?
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another licensed-produced hardware in South Africa (a Finnish product)

iterator24:
another licensed-produced hardware in South Africa (a Finnish product)

The chassie is, the turret and all in it is local. All so they where modified somewhat. Kind of the revers of ratel that uses a French gun

Patchesagain:


Again - no facts to substantiate what you are saying.

Government just said they want more - link posted and everything.

Are you blind?

The Rooivalk’s landing gear is unmodified. The main landing gear was developed and manufactured in France to South African specifications, while the tail landing gear was designed, developed and manufactured in South Africa by Denel.

The rotor blades, part of the main gearbox and part of the tail gearbox (including two bevel gears) are of French design but manufactured in South Africa under licence by Denel Aviation. The rotor head, however, is made in France. The driveshaft for the tail rotor was designed and manufactured in South Africa.


"There can be no doubt that the image of the Rooivalk has suffered as a result of misleading and exaggerated official propaganda in the early years of the programme."



Propaganda gulped by Patches689.

Patchesagain:


Again - no facts to substantiate what you are saying.

Government just said they want more - link posted and everything.

Are you blind?

The development of the Rooivalk proved to be technically very challenging, and budget cuts only compounded the problems. The original plan to build 36 production aircraft (plus the four prototypes) was abandoned and, in the end, only 12 were built.


Your initial order for 36 Rooivalk attack Helicopters were cut because you were BROKE(like we don't continue to see this with the SANDF almost on a daily basis), and not because of some cooked up doctrine.

andrewza:


The chassie is, the turret and all in it is local. All so they where modified somewhat. Kind of the revers of ratel that uses a French gun

only the turret is locally designed.... others are finnish components

andrewza:


The chassie is, the turret and all in it is local. All so they where modified somewhat. Kind of the revers of ratel that uses a French gun

It's a Finnish vehicle, the only thing South-African in the Patria IFV is it's turret

iterator24:
only the turret is locally designed.... others are finnish components

Not true.The engien is from Sweden, The anti IED/Mine Armour is south African and there are other differences such has storage bins and some other odds and ends.

"If isreal is left without support,isreal will stand alone"- Benjamin Netyanshahu

andrewza:


Not true.The engien is from Sweden, The anti IED/Mine Armour is south African and there are other differences such has storage bins and some other odds and ends.

Bros, the Patria AMV variant manufactured under licence as badger in SA is 90% Finnish ...Fact!

andrewza I told you dont derail the picture thread or henry will cry.

Anyway the answer to your question is that South Africans are mentally limited, they don't have the brain power to worry about anything other than food, shelter and sex, so they allow themselves to be dominated by dirty europeans like you.

iterator24:
Bros, the Patria AMV variant manufactured under licence as badger in SA is 90% Finnish ...Fact!

The revenues from all Badger sales are south african.

Fact and ultimate test.

iterator24:
Bros, the Patria AMV variant manufactured under licence as badger in SA is 90% Finnish ...Fact!

Nope, since it uses a engine from Sweden, SA turret and SA belly armour

ChukwuCantDie:
andrewza I told you dont derail the picture thread or henry will cry.

Anyway the answer to your question is that South Africans are mentally limited, they don't have the brain power to worry about anything other than food, shelter and sex, so they allow themselves to be dominated by dirty europeans like you.

He can cry

Expect there are thousands of Black south African scientists, so that disproves that.

andrewza:


Nope, since it uses a engine from Sweden, SA turret and SA belly armour

you've had the same argument with your compatriots in the past andrewza,

www.defenceweb.co.za/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=32046:badger-ifv-industrialisation-starts-in-earnest-with-first-production-model-expected-in-2015&catid=111:sa-defence&Itemid=242

[quote name="Boertjie"]@andrewza
These vehicles are of a foreign design, and will therefor not be available for export. This is not a South African
designed vehicle it is from Finland! Only the "towers"and some of the kit inside the vehicle is from SA. The
vehicle platforms will be produced locally under license.[/quote]

DieVluit:


The revenues from all Badger sales are south african.

Fact and ultimate test.

it's under licence.. you know what that means?

iterator24:

you've had the same argument with your compatriots in the past andrewza,

www.defenceweb.co.za/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=32046:badger-ifv-industrialisation-starts-in-earnest-with-first-production-model-expected-in-2015&catid=111:sa-defence&Itemid=242

At the end of the day, all monies generated from Badger sales go to south africa. Not Finland.

End of story.

andrewza:


He can cry

Expect there are thousands of Black south African scientists, so that disproves that.

Then why do they answer to whites? How can the majority of your country be black but they are all to dumb to lead SA is a failed state like Somalia.