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Re: Jehohava Witnesses, Please Explain This Scripture For Me!!!! by johnw74: 12:50am On Mar 19, 2015 |
I like the name HAYAH hayah goin |
Re: Jehohava Witnesses, Please Explain This Scripture For Me!!!! by johnw74: 12:52am On Mar 19, 2015 |
And I like the name YAHWEH I do things yahweh |
Re: Jehohava Witnesses, Please Explain This Scripture For Me!!!! by CANTICLES: 1:56am On Mar 19, 2015 |
johnw74: 1 cor 11:3 was writen after Christ has been ressurected to heaven, woman is under the authority of a man,But God (The FATHER) is the head of christ wich means Christ is under the authority of the ONLY TRUE GOD.
Human tradition ..... There is nothing like three person in the only God . Jesus said : Father is the ONLY GOD ( John 17:3) Tradition of men .. UNLIKE YOU, Jesus sincerely recognize the Father as the TRUE GOD, ' Father .. You are The True God' John 17:1-3 1 Like |
Re: Jehohava Witnesses, Please Explain This Scripture For Me!!!! by johnw74: 6:02am On Mar 19, 2015 |
CANTICLES: that person is Jesus Father, and Jesus calls His Father God because He is God And Jesus Father calls Jesus God, because Jesus is God God and the Word are God Father calls Son God: Heb 1:8 But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom. Heb 3:4 For every house is builded by some man; but he that built all things is God. He who built all things is God the Word Jesus built all things Joh 1:3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. Isa 9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace. Isa 45:21 Tell ye, and bring them near; yea, let them take counsel together: who hath declared this from ancient time? who hath told it from that time? have not I the LORD? and there is no God else beside me; a just God and a Saviour; there is none beside me. Isa 45:22 Look unto me, and be ye saved, all the ends of the earth: for I am God, and there is none else. Jehovah is our Lord and Saviour Jesus is our Lord and Saviour 2Pe_1:11 For so an entrance shall be ministered unto you abundantly into the everlasting kingdom of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. 2Pe_2:20 For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning. 2Pe_3:2 That ye may be mindful of the words which were spoken before by the holy prophets, and of the commandment of us the apostles of the Lord and Saviour: 2Pe_3:18 But grow in grace, and in the knowledge of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. To him be glory both now and for ever. Amen. Mat 1:23 Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us. Joh 10:30 I and my Father are one. Joh 10:31 Then the Jews took up stones again to stone him. Joh 10:32 Jesus answered them, Many good works have I shewed you from my Father; for which of those works do ye stone me? Joh 10:33 The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God. Jesus said He is God and the Jews knew it, verse 33 and so they tried to stone Him Joh 20:28 And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God. 1Ti 3:16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory. Tit 2:13 Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ; |
Re: Jehohava Witnesses, Please Explain This Scripture For Me!!!! by johnw74: 7:08am On Mar 19, 2015 |
CANTICLES: Paul is not talking about the Glorified Jesus in Heaven 1cor 11:3 is talking about things on Earth, the head of man, the head of woman and the head of Christ Human tradition ..... There is nothing like three person in the only God . Not human tradition but God's written word, take a look at all the verses posted on the matter but more importantly believe them. Jesus said : Father is the ONLY GOD ( John 17:3) Yes Father is the only God, God is One, but Jesus said "the only true God, and Jesus Christ" it is important for Jesus to say God and Jesus Christ (Himself) because God and the Word are God Joh 17:3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent. And this is confirmed just two verses after when Jesus asked the Father to give Him back the Fathers own glory which He had before with Him. Joh 17:5 And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was. Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. Tradition of men .. UNLIKE YOU, Jesus sincerely recognize the Father as the TRUE GOD, ' Father .. You are The True God' John 17:1-3 No need for untruths, I, like Jesus recognize the Father as the TRUE GOD and I recognize Jesus Christ as the TRUE GOD and I recognize the Holy Spirit as the TRUE GOD Three persons, Father, Son, Holy Spirit One God. |
Re: Jehohava Witnesses, Please Explain This Scripture For Me!!!! by RikoduoSennin(m): 11:39am On Mar 20, 2015 |
johnw74: Three "PERSONS" equals THREE GODS who are equal you mean. You are still yet to explain the dynamics behind Three Persons not being Three Gods!! Because to me, it sounds like you believe in a Three-headed God with a unified body/essence. The above statement you made just confirm that YOU have 3 True Gods because they are different Persons not One person. Tell me, Who is is the God- Abraham till Jews in Jesus' time worshipped? A) The Father B) Jesus C) Holy spirit D) All of the Above (or the three of them together) |
Re: Jehohava Witnesses, Please Explain This Scripture For Me!!!! by johnw74: 10:49pm On Mar 20, 2015 |
Three "PERSONS" equals THREE GODS who are equal you mean. such confusion 1Co 14:33 For God is not the author of confusion... The True God is One God but mighty god and Almighty God are two gods |
Re: Jehohava Witnesses, Please Explain This Scripture For Me!!!! by RikoduoSennin(m): 5:50pm On Mar 21, 2015 |
^^^ You have not answered my question. You do not see the confusion of THREE PERSONS being ONE same God. Or The fact that if ONE TRUE GOD exist, then they are other Gods too in existence hence the need to used the word "True" to distinguish between there to prevent confusion. The existence of an Almighty God proves the existence of other Mighty Gods. Would it be necessary to include "All" to Mighty God if there were no other Mighty Gods? Who did Abraham till Jews living during Jesus era worshipped? |
Re: Jehohava Witnesses, Please Explain This Scripture For Me!!!! by johnw74: 11:12pm On Mar 21, 2015 |
jw's are told what to believe by their orginisation and they are even given answers, to reply to peoples questions Their leaders must think: Heaven forbid they be allowed to believe for themselves, they might come to know the Truth. |
Re: Jehohava Witnesses, Please Explain This Scripture For Me!!!! by CAPTIVATOR: 12:49am On Mar 22, 2015 |
johnw74: How does this answer the question he asked ? Oh! No wonder someone on another thread said u are just tongue twisting around, i tink i now believe that statement. |
Re: Jehohava Witnesses, Please Explain This Scripture For Me!!!! by johnw74: 5:57am On Mar 22, 2015 |
CAPTIVATOR: riko wouldn't answer questions I asked but kept asking questions himself so I told him I wouldn't reply to him again although I do at times when I want to Oh! No wonder someone on another thread said u are just tongue twisting around, i tink i now believe that statement.of course you will, jw's believe whatever other jw's tell you they tell you Jesus is an Angel and you believe it Heb_1:5 For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son? |
Re: Jehohava Witnesses, Please Explain This Scripture For Me!!!! by CAPTIVATOR: 7:26am On Mar 22, 2015 |
johnw74: Oh! Tongue twistin man , i thought that scripture said " to which of the Arch angel did he said" Just Keep adhering to those heresies u receive from ur RELIGIOUS MOTHER, CATHOLIC CHURCH . |
Re: Jehohava Witnesses, Please Explain This Scripture For Me!!!! by johnw74: 8:59am On Mar 22, 2015 |
CAPTIVATOR: OK, it is simple but I will try and explain it further for you Jesus is the same as the Father because they are both the One God (John 1:1). Line 1. Jesus the Word and Father God are the same because they are the one-same God (John 1:1) Line 2. The Son is not the Father in worldly terms because in worldly terms a Son cannot be His Father, that's not hard to understand In the beginning was the Word, the Word was with God and the word was God the Word became Jesus and God is the Father the Word is God Jesus is God Line 3. the Son and the Father are two persons, again easy to understand Line 4. and the son-the Wor, is the Father-God, and vice versa because they are God, the Word and God are God, scripture says so. Line 5. I knew you could not understand that-and I believe you still won't understand it how can anyone who is taught what to believe, instead of reading the Bible and getting their own understanding, believe or understand anything that is contrary to what they have been taught to believe. |
Re: Jehohava Witnesses, Please Explain This Scripture For Me!!!! by johnw74: 9:00am On Mar 22, 2015 |
CAPTIVATOR: No the Greek name that Angel comes from there is "aggelos" and it means Angel are you implying that because Michael is an Arch Angel that it does not apply to Him an arch Angel is an Angel Just Keep adhering to those heresies u receive from ur RELIGIOUS MOTHER, CATHOLIC CHURCH . I don't belong to the Roman Catholic Church, I have posted against some of their beliefs. |
Re: Jehohava Witnesses, Please Explain This Scripture For Me!!!! by joviegghead: 10:01am On Mar 22, 2015 |
It's pointless arguing with people who have already chosen to blind there hearts to The truth. Jehovah's witnesses ALWAYS prove and DEFEND there Beliefs with the bible. Saying God and jesus are the same is sheer MADNESS.saying God is a Mystery is STUPIDITY because he has provided the bible to clarify any answer we need to know about. Take my advice: Pay attention to the JW with an open mind and stop attacking dem wit ur stupid thread or posts. 1 Like |
Re: Jehohava Witnesses, Please Explain This Scripture For Me!!!! by CAPTIVATOR: 2:34pm On Mar 22, 2015 |
johnw74: YOU NEED SERIOUS BIBLE STUDY - Micheal is never called an "angel" - angel means "messenger " and Micheal is never refferd to as an angel. - Micheal is called " Arch Angel" which means " CHIEF of the angels" ! He is superior to them. - Rev 12:7 distinguish Micheal separately from angels " Micheal and his angels" - mayb you think Angel reffer to beings that have wings , may i tell you that God Almighty himself is described as having wings . - Jesus VOICE will raise the dead (john 5:28,29), the ARCHANGE'LS VOICE will raise the dead [1 the 4:16] . Reconcile
U ar a catholic, take the test Mary is the mother of whom? Jesus OR God |
Re: Jehohava Witnesses, Please Explain This Scripture For Me!!!! by Hiswordxray(m): 6:45pm On Mar 22, 2015 |
CANTICLES:If Jesus is a god and God said we must worship no other god, then why did Jesus disciples worship him and why didn't Jesus condemn them for doing so. "9 And as they went to tell His disciples, b behold, Jesus met them, saying, “Rejoice!” So they came and held Him by the feet and worshiped Him." (Matt 28:9). |
Re: Jehohava Witnesses, Please Explain This Scripture For Me!!!! by Hiswordxray(m): 6:55pm On Mar 22, 2015 |
CANTICLES:"Who, although being essentially one with God and in the form of God [possessing the fullness of the attributes which make God God], did not think this equality with God was a thing to be eagerly grasped or retained," (Phi 2:6) Is this verse a lie? Yes or No. |
Re: Jehohava Witnesses, Please Explain This Scripture For Me!!!! by ladon1: 7:03pm On Mar 22, 2015 |
BIBLESPEAKS:Hey fellow, you are one the most ignorant religious person have seen. You talk about the God you are so ignorant of. First of all. When we talk about God, what comes to most people is we are talking about the word 'person' and that is why the devil has been able to decieve religious people like you. When we talk about God, What it entails is nature. God is a nature just like Man is a nature. It for instance in a family of a man. The nature here is 'man' consisting of the father, mother, and children. The nature in this family is one consisting of persons(father, mother, dauthers & sons) Every member of this family share the same nature called man or human. The son is as much man or human just like the father but different persons. Same goes with the God. God(nature) is one but the persons share this nature. This nature is unchanging and it is manisfested by character that is unique only to God. The Godhead consist of three persons. The father, the son, and the holy spirit and these three persons are one nature(God) 1 Like |
Re: Jehohava Witnesses, Please Explain This Scripture For Me!!!! by Hiswordxray(m): 7:22pm On Mar 22, 2015 |
RikoduoSennin:Why did the disciples worship and called Jesus God? "9 And as they went to tell His disciples, b behold, Jesus met them, saying, “Rejoice!” So they came and held Him by the feet and worshiped Him." (Matt 28:9). "1 Simon Peter, a bondservant and apostle of Jesus Christ, To those who have obtained like precious faith with us by the righteousness of our God and Savior Jesus Christ:" (2Pet 1:1). |
Re: Jehohava Witnesses, Please Explain This Scripture For Me!!!! by bingbagbo(m): 7:26pm On Mar 22, 2015 |
Deuteronomy 30:15 See, I set before you today life and prosperity, death and destruction. |
Re: Jehohava Witnesses, Please Explain This Scripture For Me!!!! by Hiswordxray(m): 7:27pm On Mar 22, 2015 |
joviegghead:JW accepts some verses and reject some. This is heresy. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Jehohava Witnesses, Please Explain This Scripture For Me!!!! by BIBLESPEAKS(m): 8:30pm On Mar 22, 2015 |
ladon1: You say I'm ignorant. I say I have a knowledge of the scriptures many pple dnt have today. First of all, contrary to your comment, God is a person. I checked cambridge Advanced Learner's Dictionary and it said "a person is someone and their particular type of çharacter." This surely qualifies God to be a person. God has qualities, personalities like love, justice, wisdom and power. No wonder the Bible says in james 4:8 - "draw close to God and he will draw close to you." But what kind of person is God? The bible speaks of 2 forms of life. It says: "...if there is a physical body, there is also a spiritual one." - 1cor 15:44. God possess one of those two types of body. As is very evident, God possesses a spiritual body, or exists in a spiritual nature. The scriptures says: "God is a spirit, and those worshipping him must worship him with spirit and truth." God is a spirit person, he has a spirit nature and every person in the heaven including his son Jesus exist in God's nature because they're all spirits. God is not God because of his nature. He is God because of his creatorship. "God" is only a title give to him because no one is greater than him. By nature, God is a spirit. 1 Like |
Re: Jehohava Witnesses, Please Explain This Scripture For Me!!!! by ladon1: 8:46pm On Mar 22, 2015 |
Let us look at some scriptural verses of the bible that proofs the truinity of the Godhead(nature). Genesis 1:26 And God said,( Let us) make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth. Genesis 11:6 And the Lord said, Behold, the people is one, and they have all one language; and this they begin to do: and now nothing will be restrained from them, which they have imagined to do. -Genesis 11:7 Go to, let us go down, and there confound their language, that they may not understand one another’s speech. - So the Lord scattered them abroad from thence upon the face of all the earth: and they left off to build the city. -Genesis 11:8 The father calling the son God: Psalms 45:6 Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: the sceptre of thy kingdom is a right sceptre. Psalms 45:7 Thou lovest righteousness, and hatest wickedness: therefore God, thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows. Anyone doubting the God nature of Jesus Christ should list some or all the divine attributes of God the father and I will show you that all these attributes are also found in God the son |
Re: Jehohava Witnesses, Please Explain This Scripture For Me!!!! by BIBLESPEAKS(m): 9:01pm On Mar 22, 2015 |
Regarding this doctrine of Trinity. I ask proponents of this teaching: Did the disciples of Jesus believe he was God in flesh? When jesus asked the disciples, "who are men saying the son of man is?" simon peter answered: "you are the christ, the son of the living God." If the disciples believed that jesus was not God, but the son of God, why should anyone claim to be christian and teach that jesus was God in the flesh while on earth? No wonder many learned people throughout history like the famous scientist Sir Isaac Newton said: "the trinity is a pagan corruption on christianity." The Divinity of christ was not taught in the synagouges in jerusalem during the time of jesus, neither did the apostles teach or write anything about it after jesus. It was established by the church in 325 AD. It was until 381 AD that the holy spirit was added to form a full fledge doctrine of trinity. http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Council_of_Nicaea |
Re: Jehohava Witnesses, Please Explain This Scripture For Me!!!! by ladon1: 9:15pm On Mar 22, 2015 |
BIBLESPEAKS:Once again you are still sticking to your ignorance. The spiritism of God is just one of the attributes that makes God. Haven't you heard if the divine nature? Those saints already in heaven are made a partaker of that divibe nature and a few of attributes of this nature which man is made to be a partaker of are these. The holiness of God. The Love nature of God. ,The rigtheouness of God. Have you ever heard of God the father been hallowed fro Jesus christ? Never. Because they share the same nature. God the father is holy/Christ is holy. God is love/Christ is love. God gives life/Christ gives life. Look carefully at christ and you will see all the divine attributes of God in him. He is the fulness of the Godhead bodily. Jesus christ is hallowed with the father and that is why the scriptures says he is seperate from sinners. He is the word of God. He is the tree of life. He is the one that reveals the council of the God head to creation. Whosoever has seen him has seen the father and thats why he is called the revelation of God. Only God can know the thoughts of man. Only an ignorant religionist will say the word is not God The word became flesh and he dwelt among us. That is why God the father has comformed us to the image of his own son because in the beginning, God created man in his own imsge and this is the perfect will of God for man You said God is spirit. That is true. Was Jesus christ not spirit before he took the nature of man? Is Jesus not from everlasting to everlasting? |
Re: Jehohava Witnesses, Please Explain This Scripture For Me!!!! by BIBLESPEAKS(m): 11:12pm On Mar 22, 2015 |
ladon1: It is rather pathetic, infact laughable I'ld say, that you call me ignorant but cannot support your statements with the book you so believe in - The Bible. All u've written here is trash without scriptures to support ur point. anyone who is said to partake in the Divine nature, has died and gone to heaven as a spirit person, for "flesh and blood cannot inherit God's kingdom."_ 1cor 15:50. That person partakes in the Divine nature because he/she has a new bodyy - the spiritual body, which is the very nature of God. |
Re: Jehohava Witnesses, Please Explain This Scripture For Me!!!! by ladon1: 11:30pm On Mar 22, 2015 |
BIBLESPEAKS:The divinty of christ is not taught in the synagouge of the new testament? What a stupid heresy. You said you know so many things in the bible that many don't know but i can beat my chest to tell you that you know nothing. Nothing at all. You take the word of an unbeliever called isaac newton over the written word of God? Nonsense. I don't even know where to start teaching you from. You even refer to the holy spirit as it. You are definitely lost dude. The holy spirit is life dude. Without the holy spirit in a man, that man is spiritually dead. The doctrine of the trinity is the core of bible teaching. It is taught beginning at moses. The holy spirit in a man's life is the presense of God in a man's life. loose it and you loose the life of God in you. Is moses also a pagan? he was the first to write to us the persons of the Godhead. God is nature. Even a kid aught to know that. That nature is a divine nature. This nature has attributes that is unique to God alone. Three persons are contained in the Godhead and that is why baptism is commanded to be done in the Name of the father and of the son and of the holy ghost because this name(character) of the father=the name(character) of the son=the name(character) of the holy spirit because the name is the same in the trinity. He that has seen me has seen the father. don't you get it. The father=Jehovah. The son=Jehovah. The holy spirit=Jehovah. The doctrine of Jw is antichrist and its damning. |
Re: Jehohava Witnesses, Please Explain This Scripture For Me!!!! by johnw74: 11:52pm On Mar 22, 2015 |
joviegghead: Like jw's do with others |
Re: Jehohava Witnesses, Please Explain This Scripture For Me!!!! by johnw74: 12:16am On Mar 23, 2015 |
CAPTIVATOR: No the diffrence between me and you is that I don't change the plain meaning of scripture - Micheal is never called an "angel" Arch means chief, Angel means just that, Angel Michael is a Chief Angel G743 ἀρχάγγελος archaggelos ar-khang'-el-os From G757 and G32; a chief angel: - archangel. Total KJV occurrences: - Rev 12:7 distinguish Micheal separately from angels " Micheal and his angels" You mean like a General and his Soldiers a General is a Soldier too - mayb you think Angel reffer to beings that have wings , may i tell you that God Almighty himself is described as having wings . It is seemingly certain that Michael is the Angel of the Lord He is given all the authority of God As in God giving revelation to Jesus, and Jesus sending it with His Angel to John. rev 1 He is the Angel of the Lord he is not "the" Lord. 1Th_4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: It means just as it says: the lord descends with a shout, with the voice of the archangel not with a shout, with the voice of the Lord U ar a catholic, take the test that's a test? Mary of course is the mother of Jesus, the Word of God in the flesh and the Word was God |
Re: Jehohava Witnesses, Please Explain This Scripture For Me!!!! by johnw74: 12:46am On Mar 23, 2015 |
CAPTIVATOR - mayb you think Angel reffer to beings that have wings , may i tell you that God Almighty himself is described as having wings . God is described as having wings on more than one ocassion in the poetic style Jesus said He would like to gather the people of Jerusalem under His wings as a hen does but Jesus doesn't have wings and is not a hen. Many scriptures have been given showing that Jesus Christ is God in the flesh and I won't keep giving them to non believers John 1 shows that the Word is God and that the Word became Jesus christ yet jw's don't believe scriptures that go against their man given beliefs they say in opposition to scriptures that Jesus Christ is an Angel U ar a catholic such accusers the father of accusers: Rev_12:10 And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night. |
Re: Jehohava Witnesses, Please Explain This Scripture For Me!!!! by johnw74: 1:26am On Mar 23, 2015 |
jw's believe Jesus is an Angel. With Jesus being the exact likeness of Jehovah, then jw's should believe that Jehovah is an Angel also. More scriptures, but they are not for non believers, they are for my pleasure Php 2:6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God: Php 2:7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men: Heb 1:3 Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high; 2Co 4:3 But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost: 2Co 4:4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them. 1Ti 3:16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory. Tit 2:13 Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ; Heb 1:8 But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom. |
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