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Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by gottfried21(m): 10:27am On Mar 24, 2015
F-7's and K-8's

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Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by gottfried21(m): 11:31am On Mar 24, 2015
Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by MikeCZAR: 12:35pm On Mar 24, 2015
Henry120:


M.I.C guarantees standardisation.

Only difference is a Nigerian motorised/ mechanised battalion would have a mix of different vehicles.
That's because you have divisions.

So if say 1 armoured division deploys its division troops will be motorised or mechanised.

The problem here is that you find the division troops in soft skinned vehicles, next to tank and IFVs some on foot this makes coordination difficult. As some vehicles aren't even fitted with C2
systems.

Standardisation: of motorised and mechanised vehicles
Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by Nobody: 1:38pm On Mar 24, 2015
MikeCZAR:
That's because you have divisions.

So if say 1 armoured division deploys its division troops will be motorised or mechanised.

The problem here is that you find the division troops in soft skinned vehicles, next to tank and IFVs some on foot this makes coordination difficult. As some vehicles aren't even fitted with C2
systems.

Standardisation: of motorised and mechanised vehicles

Wrong, all vehicles are fitted with C2 systems. From Soft-skins to Tanks.

Standardisation can only be achieved with a strong local industry. There is a reason for diversification of procurement assets.
Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by andrewza: 1:42pm On Mar 24, 2015
Henry120:


Wrong, all vehicles are fitted with C2 systems. From Soft-skins to Tanks.

Standardisation can only be achieved with a strong local industry. There is a reason for diversification of procurement assets.

Your budget is not that big. I mean sure a radio may be fitted. But I doubt ever 4x4 has a blue force tracker for example.
Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by Nobody: 1:47pm On Mar 24, 2015
andrewza:


Your budget is not that big. I mean sure a radio may be fitted. But I doubt ever 4x4 has a blue force tracker for example.

At $7 billion for 2014, it's the biggest in Sub-saharan Africa.

However, we would never know, until we do know.
Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by andrewza: 2:00pm On Mar 24, 2015
Henry120:


At $7 billion for 2014, it's the biggest in Sub-saharan Africa.

However, we would never know, until we do know.

That's for one of the biggest militaries with a lot of capital expenditures busy fighting a war. It is not that big.
Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by MikeCZAR: 2:02pm On Mar 24, 2015
Henry120:


Wrong, all vehicles are fitted with C2 systems. From Soft-skins to Tanks.

Standardisation can only be achieved with a strong local industry. There is a reason for diversification of procurement assets.
Different C2 suites, some are not.

Coordination will be a headache.
Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by MikeCZAR: 2:14pm On Mar 24, 2015
SANDF.

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Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by patches689: 2:48pm On Mar 24, 2015
Henry120:


Wrong, all vehicles are fitted with C2 systems. From Soft-skins to Tanks.

Standardisation can only be achieved with a strong local industry. There is a reason for diversification of procurement assets.

THe implementation of standardized doctrine and a move towards developing a military equipped for all threats not only current ones is how its done.

Little things like choosing a single IFV and single AFV will change the entire military
Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by asorockweb: 3:04pm On Mar 24, 2015
MikeCZAR:
SANDF.
What's the dark discoloration at the left side of the Gripens, towards the tail?
Can I use the aircraft photo - what's the copyright on it?
Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by patches689: 3:04pm On Mar 24, 2015
Henry120:


It simply because the N.A doesn't have a large local defence industry and operates a diversified defence procurement policy.

Armoured vehicle productions are still to sparse to fill the gaps. Besides, it's expensive to do that.


No country apart from the U.S, can deploy full mechanised battalions.


N.A can well fill 3 mechanised battalions, it has enough vehicles to field 5, however a lot of factors would first have to be taken into consideration.


Literally every NATO nation, as well as (amongst others) Egypt, Algeria, South Africa, China, India, Japan, Korea, Argentina, Brazil, Mexico, Pakistan, Uganda, N Sudan, Morocco, Iran, Iraq... well... you get the picture.

Standardization requires three things:

1. Development of a military wide doctrine
2. Commitment to that doctirne
3. Procurement that account for future (not current) threats.

South Africa just aquired 236 IFV's (with follow up orders likely in the 2020's)... in peace-time... in a ZERO threat environment.

Looking at the vehical inventory of the Nigerian military gives me a headache... trying to co-ordinate and run all those vehical types is impossible.

Nigeria currently has 601 wheeled APC's and IFV's... of these there are 10 vehical types.

Say for example you standardized it with the BTR-80, a good allrounder that can be heavily upgraded. And purchased say 601 of them. (just for the sake of the argument)

It then becomes economically viable to build them... and you could build 600 over 10 years, at a cost of $500 000- $1mill per vehical (worst case $60 mil a year)
http://www.army-guide.com/eng/product116.html

You have now standardized your military, grown domestic armament industries and cut MASSIVE costs in keeping such an unweildy array of vehicals in operation.

And yes, not every single IFV should be the same vehical. Ideally you would want a light (air-mobile and amphibious), medium (amphibious wheeled) and heavy (tracked) IFV in serive... but my point remains the same, all you do is tweak the ratio's (300 light, 200 medium and 100 heavy or whatever depending on your force design)

Such a vast array of vehicals is a hinderance, a massive one, from logistics and training, to feild operations. Everything is negatively affected.
Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by MikeCZAR: 3:31pm On Mar 24, 2015
NTW-20 anti-material rifle used by the SANDF.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vXLRYf9EV2Y
Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by arantess: 3:56pm On Mar 24, 2015
Egbon Henry, abeg post pics for us ooo...then make una carry discussion go the other thread.God bless u

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Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by asorockweb: 5:10pm On Mar 24, 2015
patches689:


Literally every NATO nation, as well as (amongst others) Egypt, Algeria, South Africa, China, India, Japan, Korea, Argentina, Brazil, Mexico, Pakistan, Uganda, N Sudan, Morocco, Iran, Iraq... well... you get the picture.

Standardization requires three things:

1. Development of a military wide doctrine
2. Commitment to that doctirne
3. Procurement that account for future (not current) threats.

South Africa just aquired 236 IFV's (with follow up orders likely in the 2020's)... in peace-time... in a ZERO threat environment.

Looking at the vehical inventory of the Nigerian military gives me a headache... trying to co-ordinate and run all those vehical types is impossible.

Nigeria currently has 601 wheeled APC's and IFV's... of these there are 10 vehical types.

Say for example you standardized it with the BTR-80, a good allrounder that can be heavily upgraded. And purchased say 601 of them. (just for the sake of the argument)

It then becomes economically viable to build them... and you could build 600 over 10 years, at a cost of $500 000- $1mill per vehical (worst case $60 mil a year)
http://www.army-guide.com/eng/product116.html

You have now standardized your military, grown domestic armament industries and cut MASSIVE costs in keeping such an unweildy array of vehicals in operation.

And yes, not every single IFV should be the same vehical. Ideally you would want a light (air-mobile and amphibious), medium (amphibious wheeled) and heavy (tracked) IFV in serive... but my point remains the same, all you do is tweak the ratio's (300 light, 200 medium and 100 heavy or whatever depending on your force design)

Such a vast array of vehicals is a hinderance, a massive one, from logistics and training, to feild operations. Everything is negatively affected.


@Patches
What you say is mostly true. And mostly common knowledge.
Nigerian political types do not want to spend on hardware. Before Boko Haram, defense policy was tailored to ensure a weak military suited for "police action" or UN duties.
Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by Nobody: 5:50pm On Mar 24, 2015
Exercise Obangame 15

Ghana VBSS Team.

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Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by Nobody: 5:52pm On Mar 24, 2015
andrewza:


That's for one of the biggest militaries with a lot of capital expenditures busy fighting a war. It is not that big.

i agree completely. But the thing is, we cannot spend more than that. Some people, particularly in the north, even want us to slash that budget by over half.
Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by Nobody: 5:56pm On Mar 24, 2015
Exercise Obangame 15

U.S marines conduct light arms firing exercise

Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by Nobody: 6:18pm On Mar 24, 2015
Nigeria COIN

Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by andrewza: 6:25pm On Mar 24, 2015
Women in sa navy.






Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by iamord(m): 6:28pm On Mar 24, 2015
MikeCZAR:
SANDF.
I love this
Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by andrewza: 6:34pm On Mar 24, 2015




Mine hunter drone.
Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by Nobody: 7:01pm On Mar 24, 2015
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Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by Nobody: 7:07pm On Mar 24, 2015
Exercise Obangame 2015

British and Togolese troops practice drills

Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by Nobody: 7:09pm On Mar 24, 2015
only in Africa.

SNA soldier (Amisom)

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Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by MikeCZAR: 7:14pm On Mar 24, 2015
Henry120:
only in Africa.

SNA soldier (Amisom)
"Always ready"
Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by andrewza: 7:16pm On Mar 24, 2015
MikeCZAR:
"Always ready"

Be prepared tacken to the next level.
Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by Nobody: 7:19pm On Mar 24, 2015
andrewza:


Be prepared tacken to the next level.

Lmao grin grin grin grin grin
Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by iamord(m): 8:35pm On Mar 24, 2015
Henry120:
Exercise Obangame 2015

British and Togolese troops practice drills
glad to see something from Togo
Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by iamord(m): 8:37pm On Mar 24, 2015
Henry120:
only in Africa.

SNA soldier (Amisom)
always gallant. That Barber had better give him a clean cut grin
Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by Nobody: 8:45pm On Mar 24, 2015
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Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by Nobody: 8:55pm On Mar 24, 2015
Henry120:


At $7 billion for 2014, it's the biggest in Sub-saharan Africa.

However, we would never know, until we do know.
Yes mate but unfortunately that $7 billion includes weapon purchases, your defence budget is actually capped at $4,9 billion, only a fraction more than South Africa's defence budget which stands at $4,5billion and yet the Nigerian defence force is 3X the size of the SANDF.

My personal opinion is it will be best if Nigeria shrinks the size of its Defence force to about 80000-90000 permanent personal, while keeping a budget of $4,9billion, thus allowing it to focus more on modernising equipment and training troops.

Ill rather have a small but modern and well trained force than a large ill trained and ill equipet one.

Nigerian defence budget source:
www.premiumtimesng.com/business/161390-jonathan-signs-nigerias-2014-budget-defence-gets-20-per-cent.html

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