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Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by xwolverine: 9:38pm On Mar 24, 2015
jln115:

Yes mate but unfortunately that $7 billion includes weapon purchases, your defence budget is actually capped at $4,9 billion, only a fraction more than South Africa's defence budget which stands at $4,5billion and yet the Nigerian defence force is 3X the size of the SANDF.

My personal opinion is it will be best if Nigeria shrinks the size of its Defence force to about 80000-90000 permanent personal, while keeping a budget of $4,9billion, thus allowing it to focus more on modernising equipment and training troops.

Ill rather have a small but modern and well trained force than a large ill trained and ill equipet one.

Nigerian defence budget source:
www.premiumtimesng.com/business/161390-jonathan-signs-nigerias-2014-budget-defence-gets-20-per-cent.html

That was the initial sum, an additional $2 Billion was released in the Q4 2014 bringing the total to $6.9 billion. All the procurements so far is from the initial $4.9 billion. The $2 billion would majorly is for the 40 units of mix of mi-35 hinds and Mi 171sh helics from russia and 40 units of JF-17 fighter jets, the army and the navy would share what's left after these procurements.
Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by asorockweb: 9:44pm On Mar 24, 2015
xwolverine:


That was the initial sum, an additional $2 Billion was released in the Q4 2014 bringing the total to $6.9 billion. All the procurements so far is from the initial $4.9 billion. The $2 billion would majorly is for the 40 units of mix of mi-35 hinds and Mi 171sh helics from russia and 40 units of JF-17 fighter jets, the army and the navy would share what's left after these procurements.

Don't take those numbers to the bank.

The initial 2014 budget had only $US300million for Cap-Ex.
Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by asorockweb: 9:47pm On Mar 24, 2015
dakingsman:
FLIR LTV
What is @Nigeria_Military_History? I can't find the twitter account
Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by asorockweb: 9:54pm On Mar 24, 2015
Henry120:
Nigeria COIN

Nice pics, Oga Henry.

Connect with me, there are better ways to hide the identity of the folks in the pics.
Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by psalmizt(m): 10:02pm On Mar 24, 2015
asorockweb:

What is @Nigeria_Military_History? I can't find the twitter account

it is an Instagram account... I only just started following it on Sunday
Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by Nobody: 10:17pm On Mar 24, 2015
xwolverine:


That was the initial sum, an additional $2 Billion was released in the Q4 2014 bringing the total to $6.9 billion. All the procurements so far is from the initial $4.9 billion. The $2 billion would majorly is for the 40 units of mix of mi-35 hinds and Mi 171sh helics from russia and 40 units of JF-17 fighter jets, the army and the navy would share what's left after these procurements.
Yes some of the procurements are from the initial 4,9 billion and the extra $2 billion would also be for the procurement of weapons!
Thats exactly what i said! the $7 Billion includes weapon purchases,where as the SANDF budget of $4,5 billion excludes weopon purchases.

For example weapon purchases for the SANDF in the 2015/2016 would be around 2,5 - 3 billion
Project Biro(OPVs+IPVs) alone would be more than $1,5 billion
then there's still
Project Hotel(Hydrographic survey vessel)
a heavy torpedo procurement for the Heroine class subs
Major refit for Valour class Frigates
static communication for the navy
A-Dater missile procurement
Light and medium transport aircraft procurement
new generation mobile communication capability for SAAF



thus the SANDF Budget including weapon purchases is close to $7,5 billion.

That why i think it would be best if Nigeria shrinks the size of its military, thus focusing on the modernisation of its military aswell as increased focus on training.

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Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by asorockweb: 10:57pm On Mar 24, 2015
psalmizt:


it is an Instagram account... I only just started following it on Sunday

Haha. The '@' made me think twitter. Thanks
Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by Daverytimes(m): 11:12pm On Mar 24, 2015
jln115:

Yes some of the procurements are from the initial 4,9 billion and the extra $2 billion would also be for the procurement of weapons!
Thats exactly what i said! the $7 Billion includes weapon purchases,where as the SANDF budget of $4,5 billion excludes weopon purchases.

For example weapon purchases for the SANDF in the 2015/2016 would be around 2,5 - 3 billion
Project Biro(OPVs+IPVs) alone would be more than $1,5 billion
then there's still
Project Hotel(Hydrographic survey vessel)
a heavy torpedo procurement for the Heroine class subs
Major refit for Valour class Frigates
static communication for the navy
A-Dater missile procurement
Light and medium transport aircraft procurement
new generation mobile communication capability for SAAF



thus the SANDF Budget including weapon purchases is close to $7,5 billion.

That why i think it would be best if Nigeria shrinks the size of its military, thus focusing on the modernisation of its military aswell as increased focus on training.


I don't get why people keep saying this, countries with comparable populations to those of Nigeria has 3 times the amount of Active personnel and most of them have 20-35 times more reserves in their military than we do. Out of the top 10 most populated countries in the world the only country that comes close to Nigerias 130,000 Military personell is japan at 230,000, and that country is supposedly not allowed to have an offensive force (and they number about 50 million less than Nigeria). Bangladesh and Pakistan (the countries closest to us in population terms) has 400+ thousand and 600+ thousand respectively. Does it really make sense to shrink a Military that is already this shrunken? Nigeria needs to expand not shrink, with determination an expansion can be done in conjunction with a modernization program.

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Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by SergeAlain: 11:43pm On Mar 24, 2015
Good Points My guy,

However, it is impossible to effectively equip 400,000 men with our current budget levels (considering the need to continue to invest in infrastructure, healthcare, education etc.). Our best bet is to accelerate the domestication of our defense needs starting from the low tech, high frequency usage items, that way our little forex can be optimized on the really high tech items.

Why should we still import uniforms, body armour, small arms, basic ammunition up to 155mm, first level APCs-battle taxi types, basic missiles e.g. ATGM, light artillery i.e. mortars, Multi launch rocket systems, howitzers and guns up to 105mm, dry rations etc.

We just need to make that commitment to build the manufacturing capacity and most things will fall into place.


Daverytimes:


I don't get why people keep saying this, countries with comparable populations to those of Nigeria has 3 times the amount of Active personnel and most of them have 20-35 times more reserves in their military than we do. Out of the top 10 most populated countries in the world the only country that comes close to Nigerias 130,000 Military personell is japan at 230,000, and that country is supposedly not allowed to have an offensive force (and they number about 50 million less than Nigeria). Bangladesh and Pakistan (the countries closest to us in population terms) has 400+ thousand and 600+ thousand respectively. Does it really make sense to shrink a Military that is already this shrunken? Nigeria needs to expand not shrink, with determination an expansion can be done in conjecture with a modernization program.

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Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by MikeCZAR: 11:48pm On Mar 24, 2015
Daverytimes:


I don't get why people keep saying this, countries with comparable populations to those of Nigeria has 3 times the amount of Active personnel and most of them have 20-35 times more reserves in their military than we do. Out of the top 10 most populated countries in the world the only country that comes close to Nigerias 130,000 Military personell is japan at 230,000, and that country is supposedly not allowed to have an offensive force (and they number about 50 million less than Nigeria). Bangladesh and Pakistan (the countries closest to us in population terms) has 400+ thousand and 600+ thousand respectively. Does it really make sense to shrink a Military that is already this shrunken? Nigeria needs to expand not shrink, with determination an expansion can be done in conjecture with a modernization program.
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Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by Nobody: 11:56pm On Mar 24, 2015
Daverytimes:


I don't get why people keep saying this, countries with comparable populations to those of Nigeria has 3 times the amount of Active personnel and most of them have 20-35 times more reserves in their military than we do. Out of the top 10 most populated countries in the world the only country that comes close to Nigerias 130,000 Military personell is japan at 230,000, and that country is supposedly not allowed to have an offensive force (and they number about 50 million less than Nigeria). Bangladesh and Pakistan (the countries closest to us in population terms) has 400+ thousand and 600+ thousand respectively. Does it really make sense to shrink a Military that is already this shrunken? Nigeria needs to expand not shrink, with determination an expansion can be done in conjecture with a modernization program.
Yes i agree 100%, expansion can be done in conjecture with a modernization program, BUT to achieve this, one has to have a budget that is conducive to such programs, and unfortunately the Nigerian Defence force and the SANDF budgets arent large enough to incorporate an expansion of a defence force and the modernization of a defence force at the same time,it has to be one or thee other, and the SANDF as leaned towards a smaller yet very modern fighting force, and i personally hope Nigeria do the same.

To be honest if you have a small yet modern and well trained force, it will be just as effective(if not more effective) as a larger more outdated force, not only that,it will be much more cost effective aswell.
Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by Nobody: 12:03am On Mar 25, 2015
psalmizt:


it is an Instagram account... I only just started following it on Sunday

i don't know why he hasn't accepted my request did you paid to jjoin
Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by charlos14: 12:06am On Mar 25, 2015
asamoahGH:


i don't know why he hasn't accepted my request did you paid to jjoin
No payment.
Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by Nobody: 12:51am On Mar 25, 2015
asorockweb:


Nice pics, Oga Henry.

Connect with me, there are better ways to hide the identity of the folks in the pics.

Oga Asorockweb, it isn't a matter of hiding identity, just concealing it. If an individual is determined to really see what's behind the paint, by all means ..........good luck.
Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by asorockweb: 4:08am On Mar 25, 2015
Henry120:


Oga Asorockweb, it isn't a matter of hiding identity, just concealing it. If an individual is determined to really see what's behind the paint, by all means ..........good luck.

I believe you misunderstood me. But we will let it be.
Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by bidexiii: 5:54am On Mar 25, 2015
NAF PIC'S;

Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by bidexiii: 5:57am On Mar 25, 2015
Rear view of a scorpion light tank

Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by NighttWalker(m): 7:51am On Mar 25, 2015
Thought I should share this grin

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Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by MikeCZAR: 8:00am On Mar 25, 2015
NighttWalker:
Thought I should share this grin
grin grin grin grin Stop it guys!
Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by celeron40(m): 9:08am On Mar 25, 2015
NighttWalker:
Thought I should share this grin
grin
Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by Nobody: 9:13am On Mar 25, 2015
AMISOM

Troops from Uganda and Kenya

Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by psalmizt(m): 12:37pm On Mar 25, 2015


i don't know why he hasn't accepted my request did you paid to jjoin

Pay? Looooool... Bros how your mind take reach that side. No I didn't pay. I guess he takes his time before accepting invites. That's d only reason I can give
Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by patches689: 2:27pm On Mar 25, 2015
Daverytimes:


I don't get why people keep saying this, countries with comparable populations to those of Nigeria has 3 times the amount of Active personnel and most of them have 20-35 times more reserves in their military than we do. Out of the top 10 most populated countries in the world the only country that comes close to Nigerias 130,000 Military personell is japan at 230,000, and that country is supposedly not allowed to have an offensive force (and they number about 50 million less than Nigeria). Bangladesh and Pakistan (the countries closest to us in population terms) has 400+ thousand and 600+ thousand respectively. Does it really make sense to shrink a Military that is already this shrunken? Nigeria needs to expand not shrink, with determination an expansion can be done in conjunction with a modernization program.

At massive expense to developmental needs (infastructure, healthcare, education et al)

A small, highly-professional and highly mobile force is what is called for. A sort of "fire-brigade" that can rush to a crises and put it out.
Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by patches689: 2:29pm On Mar 25, 2015
Henry120:
AMISOM

Troops from Uganda and Kenya

erg... i hate those gun-sheilds.

Massive reduction of situational awareness
Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by Nobody: 4:07pm On Mar 25, 2015
Exercise Obangame 2015

Nigerian VBSS team from NNS Okpabana F93, conduct boarding exercises.

This year's Obangame Had 4 participating Ships from Nigeria. NNS Thunder, NNS Okpabana, NNS Centenary and NNS Andoni.


NNS Thunder, Centenary and Andoni carried out exercises off the Coast of Benin Republic, while NNS Okpabana carried out her's off the coast of Ghana.

NN Photos are all from NNS Okpabana.

Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by Nobody: 4:10pm On Mar 25, 2015
Exercise Obangame 2015

Nigerian VBSS

Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by Nobody: 4:12pm On Mar 25, 2015
Exercise Obangame 2015


Nigerian VBSS Team

Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by Nobody: 4:24pm On Mar 25, 2015
patches689:


erg... i hate those gun-sheilds.

Massive reduction of situational awareness

The MRAPs are heavily armed though. 3 DShk HMG's on a single system....... that's a language all terrorists understand.

The Ugandans took arming an MRAP to the next level.
Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by MikeCZAR: 5:37pm On Mar 25, 2015
Henry120:


The MRAPs are heavily armed though. 3 DShk HMG's on a single system....... that's a language all terrorists understand.

The Ugandans took arming an MRAP to the next level.

I concur with what @patches is saying.

The DShK machine on the vehicles is for supporting the rifle companies, its operator must be able to scan beyond the horizon of the guys on the ground and provide heavy suppressive fire.

That's why you'll always find SA army operators of machine gun on the vehicle. carrying binoculars.
Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by Nobody: 7:59pm On Mar 25, 2015
Combined U.S, Nigerian and Camerounian VBSS team

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Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by Nobody: 8:05pm On Mar 25, 2015
MikeCZAR:


I concur with what @patches is saying.

The DShK machine on the vehicles is for supporting the rifle companies, its operator must be able to scan beyond the horizon of the guys on the ground and provide heavy suppressive fire.

That's why you'll always find SA army operators of machine gun on the vehicle. carrying binoculars.

I differ.

The Soldiers have their High Elevation, as well as considerable firepower to bring down the rain......literally.

The Gun Shield although un-usually large, doesn't obscure their panoramic view of the battle space.
Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by Nobody: 8:24pm On Mar 25, 2015
Nigerian Navy

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