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Re: A Library Of The Best 40 Atheist Arguments Against God/religion (NOW WITH PICS) by Bonetoy: 7:27pm On Apr 15, 2015 |
cyrexx:This was just a lot of words to say that you believe religion was made by man and not by God because it fits the cultures of those men that created it…. As I ended my last statement, religion was not the creation of God, it was created by man. (Religion only mentioned 7 times within the whole bible and 6 times it was negative) God wants us to have faith in him and honor his word. It’s as simple as that, he doesn’t want us to make religions, war, or hate anything that doesn’t comply with his word. cyrexx:The term Christian can be classified more as a label than a religion. Christianity is only labeled as a religion due to its ultimate origins of the Old Testament. Christianity itself is a faith that focuses on the salvation of man through Jesus. The Christian mission is to try and save as many people as possible in this world, it doesn’t focus on how the universe was created. There are many different “religions” that fall under Christianity such as Baptist, Protestant, Catholic, and so on. I have already made a statement on how I do not agree with religion because men corrupt the word of God through religion. So trying to judge Christianity because of a small part is like labeling all atheist evil because a few atheists are evil. You try to state that Christianity is just a blend of other cultures and ideals. One the Holy Bible does not teach us to fear, but to rejoice and be hopeful, so the term “apocalyptic fears” is very invalid. Just because there is scary stuff in the Holy Bible does not mean it is preaching fear. “Jewish monotheistic ideals” Yeah, we believe in one God, the same God that Jews believe in, there is no argument there. “Greek ethical philosophy”… You’re claiming that the Holy Bible stole its work from Greek society. I already touched this topic above about how some try to use this idea to disprove God does not exist. This link can help explain the connection between the Holy Bible and Greek philosophy. https://biblethingsinbibleways./2013/07/14/paul-and-his-use-of-greek-philosophy/ . Just because philosophies agree with each other does not mean that one copied the other. If two societies come to the same philosophical conclusion on separate terms, all that proves is the philosophy can be valid. “worship practices and beliefs of the mystery cults” There are no “practices” of Christianity that come from mystery cults. This claim is nothing more than a wild accusation with no evidence at all. Your last sentence, as with much of what is written is just an inflated statement. You claim that God is not necessary and the idea of God does not explain the origins of Christianity. The simple counter to this is God is necessary and perfectly explains the origins of Christianity. Either way it is put it does nothing to prove or disprove the existence of God. cyrexx:You are only making false claims that Christianity and Judaism approve of human slavery as we see it today, and the unequal treatment of women. The truth is that Christianity is a huge proponent to the abolition of slavery as well as the equal treatment of women. If you ever opened a text book you would be able to find this easily. (By the way I am a history teacher) As far as the Slavery question is concerned I can refer you to this link to explain more about the slavery topic. http://www.gotquestions.org/Bible-slavery.html . You can look at this link to find out more about the equal treatment of women. http://www.christianbiblereference.org/faq_womensrights.htm cyrexx:What you are asking for is to have a perfect society on this planet. To sum up this statement you claim that if God exists then this world would be perfect. This is not a reasonable claim. And the simplest research into the Holy Bible counters this belief. This world is just a big test. And just like any test you have to study and do your research. Timothy 2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth. cyrexx:Again man created religion, man is flawed and this has led to the society we live in today with war and suffering. IF you were to claim that God is bad because he allows all the bad stuff to happen, who do you blame if there was no God? The only thing you have to blame is man. As explained in my prior posts, this world is just a test. It is the way it is for a reason. Not agreeing with that reason does not prove God does not exist. cyrexx:Again there is a lot of fluff in this statement to say one simple thing. Believing in God can only lead to chaos because it doesn’t require critical thinking. This is just an opinion; it is not a fact or a reasonable assumption. Your final statement is that believing in God explains nothing…. In actuality it explains everything, if you do your research. You just choose not to believe it. cyrexx:“But atheism does not have the luxury of infinitely imaginative explanations unconstrained by fact” You are claiming that believers don’t use facts with their reasoning. I have given you nothing but facts with direct quotes from the Holy Bible. I understand you do not believe the Holy Bible. The fact of the matter is that the Holy Bible has not been proven unreliable with its references to events that can be compared with other historical documents. There are many other Roman documents that give details of Jesus and back up if not prove his existence. All it takes is research and you can find the truth out for yourself. This whole argument could have been summed up into a couple of sentences. But the author wanted to use ambiguous (unclear) wording to try and make his logic seem undeniable. I could have easily just dismissed his claims, but I wanted to make sure to clearly show where he was flawed in his thinking. |
Re: A Library Of The Best 40 Atheist Arguments Against God/religion (NOW WITH PICS) by Bonetoy: 9:51pm On Apr 15, 2015 |
[size=18pt]Eight) Debunking the claim that morality comes from God; an objective law giver[/size] You use the term "objective" to try and describe God. The definition of objective is "without bias or prejudice; detached". This does not describe God as is written in the Holy Bible. John 3:16 "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life." So God loves us according to the Holy Bible, therefore he is not objective in any way. There are many problems with this line of thought; My first statement eliminates this claim. In any case all this states is that humans are limited in our ability to be objective. b) Moral objectivity does not exist both in the purest sense and in the religious scripture Again my first statement nullifies the argument of moral objectivity because your first assumption was incorrect that God is morally objective. You also claim that people interpret the Holy Bible and the Quran which creates division between those religions. This has nothing to do with disproving the existence of God. It only validates what is said in the Holy Bible that men are fallible. People have been twisting both the Holy Bible and the Quran to fit their needs of their agenda for hundreds of years. c)We can not understand a true objective moral giver (God) Minus the term "objective" you have just summed up the existence of our world as described by the Holy Bible. As far as the misinterpretations, I explained that in my prior statement. Men are flawed, so we will make mistakes and get things wrong. And as I stated in one of my earlier posts, we can not understand God. If we were able to understand God then he would not be God. d) God is a subjective experience Again this claim is also nullified based on my first statement. God is not objective. |
Re: A Library Of The Best 40 Atheist Arguments Against God/religion (NOW WITH PICS) by Nobody: 12:56pm On Apr 16, 2015 |
Quote" "it" was founded upon a "rock" " end quote , now "look" around and "he" will liken "it" to a man who built "his" house upon a "rock" for wind and rain won't wash "it" away , now the term "upon" is either "on top", "with", "the use" or "in" now the whole worlds foundation as we "know" "it" to day , is founded upon a "rock" for "mineral" and "manufacturing" and "metal material" all come from "rock" so there for "mining" is the "aim" of the "game" , assuredly I say do u not understand these sayings of "mine" . |
Re: A Library Of The Best 40 Atheist Arguments Against God/religion (NOW WITH PICS) by Bonetoy: 3:18pm On Apr 16, 2015 |
[size=18pt]9) Why can't God heal amputees? [/size] This question has nothing to do about the restoration of an amputee's lost limb or digits. Ultimately what it comes down to is why God doesn’t reveal himself. If God were to let everyone know that he existed, most people would stop doing evil things just to act like a good person. God does not want us to do what is right because he is telling us to do the right thing. He wants us to do what is right because we want to do the right thing. Look at it this way. If you invite a friend over to your home he or she will be a good guest while you are in the room watching them, but if you leave the room will that person still be good or will s/he steal from you? You can agree that you would rather have a friend who you can trust to do the right thing no matter what the circumstances are over someone you have to always watch over. God is inviting us into his home, his kingdom. He does not want people who just pretend to be good to enter his house. I stated in a prior post that God does not reveal himself to us because that would interfere with his plan for us. If he were to perform obvious miraculous miracles such as restoring the limbs or digits of amputees that would be too much proof that he exists. God gives us just enough proof to have faith in him. Now as far as the amputees go, that is part of their life. We all have to face different struggles in this world to test our worth. Is it fair? No, but as I explained in an earlier post God is not fair, he is just. To answer your question, it’s not that God cannot restore limbs or digits, it's that he won’t; At least on this Earth. |
Re: A Library Of The Best 40 Atheist Arguments Against God/religion (NOW WITH PICS) by Nobody: 3:59pm On Apr 16, 2015 |
Actually he can threw man for the practice of the "theory of god" has made it possible for the "human" to do so by the human made technology that comes from the "theory" |
Re: A Library Of The Best 40 Atheist Arguments Against God/religion (NOW WITH PICS) by Bonetoy: 5:23pm On Apr 16, 2015 |
[size=18pt]10) Did God come out of nothing?[/size] What you are trying to do here is place God under the same rules that we are bound by. The definition of omnipotent is "having unlimited power and authority."(Not limited by anything)(Webster's New World College Dictionary). God is omnipotent, so the idea that he is eternal does not contradict his own existence. He is not bound by time, and therefore does not have or need a beginning. You cannot place limits on God in the attempt to create a paradox that disprove his existence. |
Re: A Library Of The Best 40 Atheist Arguments Against God/religion (NOW WITH PICS) by Nobody: 6:56pm On Apr 16, 2015 |
,Ramble on , man went "down" or "nothing" happened, agree or argue for infinity , according to the "theory" man must go "down" or all these things "won't" come to pass , one must "think logically" for , for all these things to come to pass man must go "down" to the vineyard, for the "material" u must create a "street" to reap the fruit of the earth and send men standing idle in to your vineyard at a penny those who go in first shall be last and those in last shall be first, its like a man who finds riches in a field , he sells all his got and goes and buys that field for there is more fruit of the earth under that field as I mentioned, do u not understand these parables of "mine" |
Re: A Library Of The Best 40 Atheist Arguments Against God/religion (NOW WITH PICS) by Bonetoy: 7:42pm On Apr 16, 2015 |
[size=18pt]11) Problems with an omnipotent intelligent designer and his designs[/size]To sum up your claim, you are saying that since God is supposed to be perfect then his creations should be perfect. The problem with this claim is that you conclude that God did not intend to create us the way that we are. The truth is we are designed to be flawed. This world is not meant to be perfect. As I stated in an earlier post, we are told that we will suffer on this world, only through this experience can we truly understand and appreciate paradise. a) CircumcisionThe necessity was not because God forgot to do something, it was an action in the Old Testament to show your loyalty and faith to God. This was no longer necessary after the New Covenant created with Jesus. b) Abortion First you try to state that all miscarriages are God's fault. So every time a woman was punched in the stomach, it was God's fault she had a miscarriage, every time there was an accident... God's fault. You can get where I am going with this. So my question to you would be If God does not exist, who do you blame for these tragedies? Trying to use the flaws of man is not a valid argument to disprove the existence of God. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt that sometimes miscarriages happen when there seems to be no cause. It is known that the female body will force a miscarriage when it knows that something is wrong with either the fetus or the pregnancy all together. So babies die, and people suffer. Death is a huge part of this world, it does not discriminate. Is it fair, no. Life on this world will never be fair. As I have stated before, we are told that we will suffer in this world according to the Holy Bible. Not agreeing with how the world was created does not disprove the existence of God. |
Re: A Library Of The Best 40 Atheist Arguments Against God/religion (NOW WITH PICS) by Nobody: 7:55pm On Apr 16, 2015 |
Seems "its" a one man show. . |
Re: A Library Of The Best 40 Atheist Arguments Against God/religion (NOW WITH PICS) by Bonetoy: 8:11pm On Apr 16, 2015 |
[size=18pt]12) A problem of borrowed prophets in Islam[/size] This does not prove God does not exist. All you did was argue that Islam is wrong. Now I am not Muslim and don't follow Islam. But In it's defense Muslim means one who submits to the laws of God. Its a label not a religion. The religion is Islam. |
Re: A Library Of The Best 40 Atheist Arguments Against God/religion (NOW WITH PICS) by Bonetoy: 8:14pm On Apr 16, 2015 |
negativecreep:Considering I woke a half year old forum. I expect people to eventually reply, I just hope its civil. |
Re: A Library Of The Best 40 Atheist Arguments Against God/religion (NOW WITH PICS) by Bonetoy: 3:28pm On Apr 17, 2015 |
[size=18pt]13) The forgiveness loophole[/size] This falls under the belief that God can be fooled, in which case God would not be all powerful, therefore not God. Anyone who willfully sins thinking he can just repent and get away from it is only insulting God. What’s worse is that that person truly believes in God. This is considered blasphemy. The definition of blasphemy is "profane or contemptuous speech, writing, or action concerning God or anything held divine. Any remark or action held to be irreverent or disrespectful. (deliberately mocking or contemptuous (scornful) of God)" "Webster's New World College Dictionary" Mark 3:28, 29, 30 "Verily I say unto you, All sins shall be forgiven unto the sons of men, and blasphemies wherewith soever they shall blaspheme:" "But he that shall blaspheme against the Holy Ghost hath never forgiveness, but is in danger of eternal damnation:" Because they said, He hath an unclean spirit. What this says that if a person truly accepts God and believes in him, then purposely and willfully denies and insults God he is committing blaspheme against the Holy Ghost, and this is unforgivable. So by denying and refusing to truly accept the Holy Ghost this leaves your spirit unclean. So this person is truly worse off than the atheist. The atheist can be forgiven for the denial of God because he is not purposely denying God, he does not believe in God. This does not say that once someone accepts God that they must live a perfect life. Humans are imperfect, and we will always sin on this earth. As long as a person is truly making the attempt to prevent those sins from happening God knows and understands our struggles. But if we just think that God will give us salvation without us keeping our end of the deal we are mistaken. |
Re: A Library Of The Best 40 Atheist Arguments Against God/religion (NOW WITH PICS) by Nobody: 5:01pm On Apr 17, 2015 |
"Man" has already "sinned" and caused all man to "sin" for the "greatest" sin of all is going the wrong way , "down" is the "wrong" way , because of man going down into the earth and extracting "material" for personal gain and for "something" to "sell" and then "creating" a "theory" that promotes the "practice" of going "down" for more personal and by now monetary gain , for the "theory" as we know couldn't be kept from the public for long and there for had to be kept under supervision of the ruling body and rash end into use with all laws and policy's and regulations that go with "it" for the "intention" of "it" is for u to talk of "it" "spiritually" and ramble on and on about something u so confused about for u don't "know" what u dealing with , most don't , this is the "intention" of "it" , so YOU can ramble on and on and on about something "you" got no clue on what u talking about , but don't be afraid "its" the "intention" of "it" for u to do so for its the "intention" of "it" that u do so "fooling" "intentionally" is the aim of "its" human brain "undermining" game "intentionally" and assuredly under "mining" YOU literally , so look to your "feet" for "it" does, while "its" got YOU looking "up" , better "catch" a wake "up" |
Re: A Library Of The Best 40 Atheist Arguments Against God/religion (NOW WITH PICS) by Nobody: 7:23pm On Apr 17, 2015 |
Oh u gotta "hand" "it" baby "its" a "game" you just "can't" win . |
Re: A Library Of The Best 40 Atheist Arguments Against God/religion (NOW WITH PICS) by Bonetoy: 8:25pm On Apr 17, 2015 |
LordBabs: Before I start I want to reference one of my prior posts. Bonetoy:Now with this in mind I will continue LordBabs: God did not force the Pharaoh to turn from God. The Pharaoh was already denying God. God hardened the heart of the Pharaoh to prevent him from changing his mind. Remember if we had too much proof that God existed people would start to act good just because "God is watching" So with the events that were taking place the Pharaoh would have let the Jews go because there was no doubt that God existed. He would not have let them go because he was a good person. LordBabs: Simply put, if that is what happened then people would have just assumed that the Pharaoh was generous and give no credit to God for the actions that took place. LordBabs: Even if your assumption was true that God does not honor his word and will pick and choose who he wants to enter heaven. Your assumption is that it is better to just do what you want on this world and go to hell rather than be a good person and take a 50% chance of going into heaven. Either way you look at this question it is not logical. LordBabs: First, this is not a question, its a statement with hypothetical questions. You make the assumption that God had no other way of getting the Jewish people released from the Pharaoh. That God "needed" to appeal to him. This is nothing more than a statement with no valid evidence to prove it's worth. If you were to ask why did God bother with the whole exodus? Which is what I can get from your statement, then the answer would be this... “For the scripture saith unto Pharaoh, Even for this same purpose have I raised thee up, that I might shew my power in thee, and that my name might be declared throughout all the earth” (Romans 9:17) God used this event to help spread his name across the world. |
Re: A Library Of The Best 40 Atheist Arguments Against God/religion (NOW WITH PICS) by Bonetoy: 9:12pm On Apr 17, 2015 |
[size=18pt]15) A problem of a literal Adam and Eve.[/size] This does not disprove anything. Incest happened to populate the world. It was not looked down upon in that day because it was necessary. Later God gave new laws against incest in Leviticus 18:6, as he tells Moses his new laws, "None of you shall approach to any that is near of kin to him, to uncover their unclothedness:" b) Biologically impossible for 2 people to populate the earth into billions of the present day There was obviously no research done for this claim. Even science points to all humans descending from one mother. Research Mitochondrial Eve. [img]http://t.qkme.me/pbv.jpg[/img]I usually leave the images out, but this one here shows that, again, there was no research done to validate this claim. Genesis 5 3-4 "And Adam lived an hundred and thirty years, and begat a son in his own likeness, and after his image; and called his name Seth:" "And the days of Adam after he had begotten Seth were eight hundred years: and he begat sons and daughters:" |
Re: A Library Of The Best 40 Atheist Arguments Against God/religion (NOW WITH PICS) by davien(m): 10:19pm On Apr 17, 2015 |
Bonetoy:lol this has got to be the most ridiculous comment I've seen so far today....inbreeding populated the world? How's about you go learn how that's biologically impossible .... http://helorimer.people.ysu.edu/inbred.html Here's a simple example....When you have two rabbits, get them to mate and produce offspring....and have those offspring mate within themselves.....it reaches a time when the 3rd generation and above are either sterile mutants, sickly mutants or dead... 1 Like |
Re: A Library Of The Best 40 Atheist Arguments Against God/religion (NOW WITH PICS) by UyiIredia(m): 10:33pm On Apr 17, 2015 |
There's no argument against God's existence for which there isn't a sufficient counter-argument. 1 Like |
Re: A Library Of The Best 40 Atheist Arguments Against God/religion (NOW WITH PICS) by UyiIredia(m): 10:34pm On Apr 17, 2015 |
davien: If such the organisms involved contain much genetic diversity it is possible. |
Re: A Library Of The Best 40 Atheist Arguments Against God/religion (NOW WITH PICS) by davien(m): 11:56pm On Apr 17, 2015 |
UyiIredia:You've shot yourself in the foot here...how much genetic diversity can two individuals possess to not produce inbred offspring?... Can you see the problem now? For two organisms to produce genetically diverse offspring they have to be reproducing outside their offspring and close relatives... |
Re: A Library Of The Best 40 Atheist Arguments Against God/religion (NOW WITH PICS) by UyiIredia(m): 6:33am On Apr 18, 2015 |
davien: SMH. |
Re: A Library Of The Best 40 Atheist Arguments Against God/religion (NOW WITH PICS) by davien(m): 9:18am On Apr 18, 2015 |
UyiIredia:You can shake your neck too if you like... Thats basic biology....higher population sizes have more genetic diversity and it's maintained by reproduction outside siblings and close relatives... |
Re: A Library Of The Best 40 Atheist Arguments Against God/religion (NOW WITH PICS) by Nobody: 7:29pm On Apr 18, 2015 |
Ramble on and on with no clue This is no library of "Atheism" seems more like full blown "Christianity" bashing "Atheism" thread for it lacks debate with the "so called "main" dudes that love to submit long non sensible statements that keep honoring the written word that's commonly spoken by "believers" of the "theory" with "one" or "two" of them that really think that "spiritually" speaking and answering questions with "knowing" , they would be "mistaken" for knowing they know not " the kingdom of god" the true "god" that is . 1 Like |
Re: A Library Of The Best 40 Atheist Arguments Against God/religion (NOW WITH PICS) by Bonetoy: 9:57pm On Apr 18, 2015 |
davien:First of you failed to acknowledge mitochondrial eve, scientific (not biblical) evidence that all humans descended from one common mother. So weather you believe in evolution or creationism we all come from one mother. Inbreeding does not cause birth defects or sterilization. It gives certain traits more opportunity to appear. So as new generations are born a negative trait will surface. Some defects are minor and don't interfere with the survival of the race, while others are more serious and can decrease the chances of survival. Now again science (not the Holy Bible) explains how the species continues to survive. Natural selection weeds out those genetic defects that hinder human survival. The defects stay in the gene pool but when ever it does pop out those humans would most likely die. If they do manage to survive their chances of reproducing are very low. So, survival of the fittest. As societies advanced, and medicine evolved we began to save the lives of those people who would have died. This is why those traits begin to become more and more common. So the idea that you cannot populate the world through incest is incorrect. |
Re: A Library Of The Best 40 Atheist Arguments Against God/religion (NOW WITH PICS) by davien(m): 3:52am On Apr 19, 2015 |
Bonetoy:OMG! I'm speechless.. Mitochondrial eve isn't the "First woman"....she's the first female whom our mitochondria dna descended from.... Lol Mitochondrial Eve is named after mitochondria and the biblical Eve. Unlike her biblical namesake, she was not the only living human female of her time... http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitochondrial_Eve And telling me inbreeding doesn't lead to birth defects and sterilization when anyone can demonstrably go look for peer reviewed papers documenting just that is lying.....no two ways about it. The adverse effects of inbreeding in animals are well known. The incidence of metabolic disorders, structural abnormalities and inherited disease conditions, caused by harmful recessive genes, increases following inbreeding. Performance in several characters, particularly those concerned with reproduction and survival, declines following the mating of close relatives. http://www.genetic-genealogy.co.uk/Toc115570143.html I bet you just read an article titled "First woman" in a paper... I'm not amazed anymore by the amount of lies Christians put forward to believe what they want to believe, from equivocation fallacies(mitochondrial eve = biblical eve) to lying(inbreeding doesn't lead to sterilization and birth defects)....Lol All this speaks volumes for the credibility of your position... |
Re: A Library Of The Best 40 Atheist Arguments Against God/religion (NOW WITH PICS) by Bonetoy: 4:41am On Apr 19, 2015 |
LordBabs: For any one who has truly read and studied the Holy Bible it is known that the passage doesn't imply we were created in God's physical likeness. God is spirit. John 4:24 "God is a Spirit" this is the likeness that we are created in. God gave man a soul. Being created in the likeness of something is not being made exactly the same way. Definition of likeness "the state or quality of being like; similarity" Definition of similar "two things that have characteristics that resemble each other but are not exactly alike." Webster's New World College Dictionary. LordBabs: Yes it would be wrong to assume that man must be perfect because God is perfect. As I stated before being made in the likeness of something is not being made the exact same way. Your last statement you ask how can a perfect being create an imperfect being? Then you try to rationalize that they both have to be prefect otherwise God doesn't exist. This is not a logical argument. LordBabs: This argument also falls under the assumption that men are supposed to be exactly the same as God. I have already showed how this reasoning is wrong. LordBabs: (a) still in the likeness, just imperfect and flawed. (b) man is not adopting a new image. (c) translation of what you wrote. "if it is impossible for man to make God why should it be possible for God to make man" ... All you did here was use ambiguous wording to try and make this seem logical. |
Re: A Library Of The Best 40 Atheist Arguments Against God/religion (NOW WITH PICS) by Bonetoy: 4:57am On Apr 19, 2015 |
davien: Read your statement here, she isn't the first woman, she is the first female... davien: Not once did I ever state that mitochondrial eve was biblical eve. If you even read my post you would notice that I removed the Holy Bible from that evidence all together. And again, I didn't say that inbreeding didn't lead to birth defects or sterilization, I said it doesn't cause them. But obviously you didn't read my post thoroughly. davien: You try to discredit my posts through insults and derogatory remarks. Where is your credibility? |
Re: A Library Of The Best 40 Atheist Arguments Against God/religion (NOW WITH PICS) by Weah96: 5:27am On Apr 19, 2015 |
Bonetoy: No one is placing anything on anyone. That's just the way language works. Any language. If someone is UNDEFEATED, he cannot have a loss on his record. In the same way, if someone is omnipotent, it means that there's nothing that he cannot do. There is no such person on earth or in human history BTW. So if you choose to decorate your imaginary friend with that label, be prepared to answer the paradoxes. Can an undefeated boxer have a 50-3 record? Can an omnipotent God kill himself? Direct your frustration at the creator of languages. Or find another word to use besides omnipotent. Almost-omnipotent, for example, is better. 2 Likes |
Re: A Library Of The Best 40 Atheist Arguments Against God/religion (NOW WITH PICS) by davien(m): 10:43am On Apr 19, 2015 |
Bonetoy:First female it of which mitochondrial dna descended from outside others....you can't escape using tautology, you've been caught....but instead to admit it you still want to prolong your lie...
You tried to use science to back up the notion that there was a "First mother" by saying this below... Bonetoy: Whether you admit it or not the statement you made "whether you believe in evolution or creationism,we all come from one mother" has given you away of trying to equivocate the two..... When science implies mitochondrial dna ancestry you believe it's the same as spontaneous acts of creation(creationism).... Let me break it down for you....when you try to hide behind tautology like "cause" and "lead to" you're saying an action is either direct(it caused it) or indirect(it lead to it)... Now inbreeding closely does "cause"(directly) birth defects and sterilization, if you bothered to read the article I gave below... "These effects are mainly due to an increase in the frequency of homozygous genotypes (AA and aa) at the expense of heterozygotes (Aa), which is caused by inbreeding." http://www.genetic-genealogy.co.uk/Toc115570143.html My credibility is that I clearly demonstrated your dishonesty, and even now I've exposed more of it....Your basically a liar or at an best ignorant person.. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: A Library Of The Best 40 Atheist Arguments Against God/religion (NOW WITH PICS) by Nobody: 3:46pm On Apr 19, 2015 |
Which one of u two is the "christian" lol or "atheist" never know "two" oposites that have one thing in common, believing that a "character" called "eve" from a "book" was the "first" "female" or "woman" on earth , what a total joke , I think u guys should do something more constructive with your time . |
Re: A Library Of The Best 40 Atheist Arguments Against God/religion (NOW WITH PICS) by Bonetoy: 6:14pm On Apr 19, 2015 |
davien:http://www.mhrc.net/mitochondrialEve.htm "Many suggest that Eve must have had some vast superiority because her offspring are thought to have conquered the whole world without any evidence of any interbreeding." The name Eve is not used to describe the Biblical Eve, but Mitochondrial Eve. davien:A quote from your own link. "The incidence of metabolic disorders, structural abnormalities and inherited disease conditions, caused by harmful recessive genes, increases following inbreeding." Caused by harmful recessive genes INCREASES following inbreeding. Inbreeding does not cause the defects. This is what I have been arguing this whole time. Yet you still want to claim it does. It's obvious that no amount of evidence I present you will be sufficient. So I will leave it at this. You can choose to believe what you want to believe that is your choice. But trying to force people to believe what you believe by twisting evidence in your favor is wrong for either side to do. Everything that I have posted only leads up to the conclusion that you cannot prove or disprove the existence of God. I will force no one to follow my beliefs. I just think that every one should have facts that are not doctored to come to their own conclusions. |
Re: A Library Of The Best 40 Atheist Arguments Against God/religion (NOW WITH PICS) by davien(m): 12:02am On Apr 20, 2015 |
Bonetoy:And..... "Others state that selection had nothing to do with the takeover of the human population. They inject that it was a purely statistical process" It's referring to mitochondrial eve's mitochondrial dna not being interbred with other groups in the homonoideae family and thus her mitochondria dna was the superior in taking over the world.... exposed dishonesty #1
It's good you've acknowledged that... Okay... You cherry-picked that passage...below is the entirety..(i'll use another colour for the part you lifted) "The adverse effects of inbreeding in animals are well known. The incidence of metabolic disorders, structural abnormalities and inherited disease conditions, caused by harmful recessive genes, increases following inbreeding. Performance in several characters, particularly those concerned with reproduction and survival, declines following the mating of close relatives. This is known as inbreeding depression. These effects are mainly due to an increase in the frequency of homozygous genotypes (AA and aa) at the expense of heterozygotes (Aa), which is caused by inbreeding" Above is dishonesty #2 exposed... Again the passage continues as; http://www.genetic-genealogy.co.uk/Toc115570143.html "These effects are mainly due to an increase in the frequency of homozygous genotypes (AA and aa) at the expense of heterozygotes (Aa), which is caused by inbreeding" Above(bolded) is the part you left out... Cherry-pick all you like,anyone free enough to read the full passages would easily see through your farse.. You have yet to provide any evidence....i've exposed your so called evidence throughout today to be either equivocation fallacies,lies and cherry-picking... And to believe something isn't a choice,it's a compulsion attained by convincing arguments,evidence and logical deductions of which you clearly know nothing about otherwise you wouldn't say it's a choice.... one can't instantly start believing something he/she isn't convinced about.. But trying to force people to believe what you believe by twisting evidence in your favor is wrong for either side to do.This is ironic because all day i've been highlighting your twisting of the evidence by cherry-picking,lying and equivocating... Everything that I have posted only leads up to the conclusion that you cannot prove or disprove the existence of God.The topic says nothing about "god/gods" because it's scientific/deductive,so concepts that can't be proven/disproven are empty(and amount to nothing) and inseparable from others that can't also be proven/disproven like the flying spaghetti monster,thor,magic,invisible pink unicorn,etc....thus the concept of "god/gods" purely imaginative and non-existent since it cannot be proven/disproven unless the person presenting the claim can offer convincing evidence.. I will force no one to follow my beliefs. I just think that every one should have facts that are not doctored to come to their own conclusions.I believe i've presented my case over and over again that you're guilty of doctoring passages by cherry-picking,lying,and equivocating...regardless of your admission. 3 Likes 1 Share |
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