Empiree:

By the way, how do you underline. I dont see such feature atop 'reply' bar. I see few people do that. I only see horizontal rule which is not it

[U].................[/U]
NB: Use small letter "u" all through^. If I use small "u", my dots will be underline. I deliberately use capital "U" so you can see the tool bar.

Salam.

AlBaqir:
^Really you simply can't help it; shi'ism or Iranism obsession. I've done with you long time ago.
Wa Salam.

your obsession with dead caliphs and saudi is well documented in this section, in fact, I have little interest in discussing anything with someone of your breed of honesty. it is just not worth it. I simply point out the hypocrisy and falsehood contained in your statements. That is my interest, for others to see through your schemes! Do have a nice day

Empiree:
I need to scrutinize the situation before i can really jump into this. I have little knowledge of what really happened for Saudi to have attacked fellow muslim country.

However, my major concern was simply to discourage Muslims on Muslims bickering and attacks. It makes us look stupid all the time. We are laughing stock all the time in this kind of incidents. You go to christian section, a longtime bigot who was absent for 4 months just returned today. The next thing he would do was to open a thread "what is the diff btw shia and sunni". I have not read contents of his thread. I am sure by the time I go there now it might be engrossed with hate comments toward islam altogether. This kind of thing make me sick to my stomach.

I'd intended to put the blame on Saudi initially for reasons posted by Albaqir. But seeing comment from kazlaw2000 given his thought on this issue (because he's not known to involved in sectarian talks), invigorates my scrutiny of the situation. If I were to give my thought base on baqir and vedaxcool, it'd been as usual because i know the two of you are 'day and night'.

It will be better for you to begin to see beyond what propaganda people spew, and begin to understand that a lot of muslim govt. can be as bad as those they criticize, those they pretend to loath, actions they incite their people to hate. A muslim govt. that said nothing while of 100s of 1000s of muslims in Syria were murdered using barrel bombs, chemicals can never and should never be considered a govt. that represents Islam or at the very least stand for Justice yet suddenly same govt remembered that civilians are dying in Yemen while actively supporting a regime with ,money, men and advice in killing hundred of thousand of civilians this is dual standards and a poor attempt to take the ordinary Muslim for a ride! If a Muslim act bad we should be prepared to criticize them, not pretend and dubiously defend their actions that we believe represent our sects, before you hold Saudi govt. to accountable why don't you hold Assad accountable or is Assad actions now pleasing to you? My pleasure in life is that one day everyone will be held to account for their actions, when that time comes, all the lies and hypocrisy would not suffice to save one from his judgement.

The Rise and Fall of Iran in Arab and Muslim Public Opinion

Entrapment Exposition: I remember this brother, Akili was arrested around March 2012

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5yZJ138NQuM

SALAM.
I pray for peace in Nigeria and the muslim world

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It will be better for you to begin to see beyond what propaganda people spew,

I put this in consideration all the time.

and begin to understand that a lot of muslim govt. can be as bad as those they criticize, those they pretend to loath, actions they incite their people to hate. A muslim govt. that said nothing while of 100s of 1000s of muslims in Syria were murdered using barrel bombs, chemicals can never and should never be considered a govt. that represents Islam or at the very least stand for Justice yet suddenly same govt remembered that civilians are dying in Yemen while actively supporting a regime with ,money, men and advice in killing hundred of thousand of civilians this is dual standards and a poor attempt to take the ordinary Muslim for a ride! If a Muslim act bad we should be prepared to criticize them, not pretend and dubiously defend their actions that we believe represent our sects,

I concur.

before you hold Saudi govt. to accountable

Actually anytime i hold Saudi govt accountable, it's usually base on ahadith of akhir zaman not he said, she said.

why don't you hold Assad accountable or is Assad actions now pleasing to you?

I am definitely not a fan of Assad. If i condemned his opposition doesn't mean i support him. I supported the right of syrians to protest against him at out-start. But when some groups on the pretext started getting weapons and money from Santa Claus to fight Assad and disintegrated their country, i have obligation base on Qur'an to shun them even though they appeared to be average civilians.

You know Santa Claus don't you. When they allied themselves with santa claus, this is direct violation of Sura Maida ayah 51. They become proxies and agent of fitna. They are they are the folks who entered masjid and murdered eminent Sunni Sheik during khutba just because he summoned them to make peace with their brother(Assad). They are the same folks who murdered Bishop and ate his flesh. They are the same folks who posed with J. McCain. These people can not be the oppressed civilians by Assad. This is my understanding of the situation in Syria. Assad is simply better off than the later.

As for Yemen current outbusrt, I didnt follow that. I will see if i can get some info from different sources.

[quote author=Empiree post=32950520][/quote]

Sorry I wasn't clear enough in my response, by the term "you" I was referring to Muslims generally not you specifically my reference to Saudi was as an example of the point I was trying to make. My point still remains that we muslims must learn to hold ourselves to the same standards we wish to hold others by regardless of whatever sect we proclaim, I don't think muslims should behave like the west in order to outdo them in their own games!

Empiree:

I am definitely not a fan of Assad. If i condemned his
opposition doesn't mean i support him. I supported
the right of syrians to protest against him at out-
start. But when some groups on the pretext started
getting weapons and money from Santa Claus to
fight Assad and disintegrated their country, i have
obligation base on Qur'an to shun them even
though they appeared to be average civilians.
You know Santa Claus don't you. When they allied
themselves with santa claus, this is direct violation
of Sura Maida ayay 51. They become proxies and
agent of fitna. They are they are the folks who
entered masjid and murdered eminent Sunni Sheik
during khutba just because he summoned them to
make peace with their brother(Assad). They are the
same folks who murdered Bishop and ate his flesh.
They are the same folks who posed with J. McCain.
These people can not be the oppressed civilians by
Assad. This is my understanding of the situation in
Syria. Assad is simply better off than the later.

When I see a muslim analyzing with his God-given intellect, I praise Allah for that Nihma.

kazlaw2000:
I think the Saudis initially exercised a great deal of self restraint in Yemen until it was clear the Houthis wanted to seize power totally for themselves. In other words they were executing a coup. This was contrary to the agreement they signed. Imagine, they kept the entire Hadi's cabinet under house arrest for weeks. Haba! Saudis did not even intervene at that until the Houthis moved on Aden.

Really?! I bet you know little about this age-long Yemeni problem. Don't be rush to judge. Dig deep brother. Its more than you think.

kazlaw2000:

I know Iran would have done the same in Iraq. Are they not doing so already?

So are the Iranian engaging in war against the devilish Daesh (ISIL) by drones and air-strikes? While other Iraqi allies continue with their air-strikes killing civilians and destroying properties, I believe Iran use more of effective foot-soldiers.

kazlaw2000:

The Houthis went too far and they got their fingers burnt.
Iran should be advised to stop creating proxy armies everywhere in the name of exporting Islamic revolution. Iran should have discouraged the houthis from seizing power but to dialogue. But I think they became greedy and decided to seize the 'opportunity' thereby misadvising the Houthis.

Really, you save a lot @bold. While I await your response, this is an opinion:
Iran’s Role in Yemen’s Houthi Uprising Should Not Be Overstated

With Saudi Arabia and other Arab Sunni powers carrying out airstrikes in Yemen and accusing their regional nemesis, Iran, of instigating the Houthi uprising in the country, Wikistrat asked its Senior Analyst Dr. Timothy Furnish, who is an authority on especially Shia Islam, Mahdism and other Islamic sects, to provide background on the conflict and explain to what extent Iran really is involved.

Dr. Furnish notes that Yemen has been a
battleground for rival brands of Islam for over a millennium.

In the 900s, it was contested by dueling Shiisms: the (then-militant) Seveners, or Isma’ilis, from North Africa waged dawah and jihad against Fivers, or Zaydis, from Iran. (This was before Iran’s forcible conversion to Twelver Shiism by the Safavids in the sixteenth century.) The Zaydis won and established a militant Imamate in northern Yemen. The Ottomans occupied Yemen twice in order to safeguard the holy cities of Mecca and Medina as well as Red Sea trade. Both times, Zaydi insurgents forced them out, despite massive Ottoman efforts to delegitimize the Zaydi Shii Imamate.

In the 1960s civil war, staunchly Sunni Saudi Arabia (ironically) backed the Zaydis while Nasser’s Egypt supported the “republicans” who ultimately emerged victorious. After unification in 1990, the Sana’a government largely ignored the needs and demands of the 40 percent of the Yemeni population that was Zaydi, contributing to the sense of disenfranchisement felt by the main Zaydi tribe, the Houthis — which has now led to civil war again.

Iran has various aims in fanning the flames of the Houthi rebellion, Dr. Furnish explains:

* Leveraging “persecution” of Shia into regional geopolitical influence for Tehran-Qom;

* Appealing to, and exploiting, historical
connections with Shia Muslims of Yemen and greater Arabia;

* Undermining and delegitimizing the Saudi
government;

* Strengthening its strategic position on both sides of the Red Sea;

* Strengthening the anti-Israel Islamic front;

* Searching for allies wherever they can be found.

But Dr. Furnish also cautions that Iran neither created nor controls Yemen’s Zaydi discontent.

One might well argue, instead, that the Houthis Zaydi leadership is using Tehran more than the other way around.

For much of the last 1200 years, Zaydis have ruled over much of Yemen and they do have legitimate grievances against both the recent Sunni leadership in Sana’a and, of course, against Sunni jihadists like Al Qaeda and (allegedly) ISIS there.

Saudi Arabia’s reflexive theological and political fear of Shiism in the peninsula is understandable as well. Besides Yemen, there are large minority pockets of Twelvers in eastern Saudi Arabia and of Seveners in Najran.

Also, Mahdism has been a real fear since 1979, when Juhayman al-Utaybi declared his brother-in-law, Muhammad al-Qahtani, the Mahdi and their forces occupied the Great Mosque — a fear that has grown in recent years as Saudi Arabia has suffered a rash of “lone wolf” Mahdis across the kingdom.

Simply bombing Yemen is not going to stop such eschatological fervor, though, Furnish warns. If anything, it could drive more than just Houthis into Iran’s embrace.

Some means of redressing legitimate minority — Shia of all three denominations, that is —grievances must be part of the equation.

Perhaps Oman, whose Ibadi Islam is tolerant of both Sunnis and Shiis and whose government is on good terms with Iran, can play a key role here.

Finally, Furnish urges Saudi Arabia and other Arab states to keep in mind that the self-declared “Islamic State” to the north is ultimately far more dangerous than the Zaydis to the south.
www.wikistrat.com/irans-role-in-yemens-houthi-uprising-should-not-be-overstated/


@Empiree, hope you can build on this bro.^

Besides, Empiree, I see often of late that you are often in the same boat with Sheik Imran Hussein in attaching and blaming Muslim's chaos on certain "Dajjal".

I've read lot of his literature on "Dajjal, Gog and Magog vis-a-vis Signs of the last hour". I believe the Sheik is shying away from treating Muslim deep-rooted age-long political, social and ideological problems.

Saudi Arabia ends Yemen air campaign

A Saudi Arabia-led coalition has ended its
bombing campaign against rebels in Yemen,
Saudi state television has said.

The coalition's Decisive Storm campaign had achieved its military goals, the report said.

A new operation would be called Restoring Hope, focusing on a political solution in Yemen and on security and counter-terrorism at home.

The coalition had carried out almost a month of strikes but had largely failed to halt the Houthi rebels' advance

The BBC's Alan Johnston says many observers will question the claims that the coalition has scored an overwhelming victory as there has been no great retreat on the part of the rebels.

He says they remain a potent presence on various fronts all the way from their northern strongholds down to Aden.
www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-32402688?ns_mchannel=social&ns_campaign=bbc_breaking&ns_source=twitter&ns_linkname=news_central

@Vedaxcool, your boss don end their air-strike war Mission accomplished?! Saudi Tv call it sweeping victory! Perhaps they wanna try their foot-soldier's strength this timer

vedaxcool:

your obsession with dead caliphs and saudi is well documented in this section, in fact, I have little interest in discussing anything with someone of your breed of honesty. it is just not worth it. I simply point out the hypocrisy and falsehood contained in your statements. That is my interest, for others to see through your schemes! Do have a nice day

I rest my case! Its on record that I criticise the actions of saudi severally ranging from their role in the coup against morsi etc only in the minds of the dubious can the saudi regime be called my boss, they don't feed me hence i have no fear calling any of their actions i deem unjust bad, my conscience is not for sale, but can we say the same for a certain pen for hire who in his entire nl life never criticise his benefactor Iran for any of their actions that are unjust and outright support of wanton massacre of civillians in syria? While some people wouldn't mind calling evil good if it guaranttees crumbs on their plate, I do mind for the truth, this is what islam expects of us.

AlBaqir:


[size=3pt]With Saudi Arabia and other Arab Sunni powers carrying out airstrikes in Yemen and accusing their regional nemesis, Iran, of instigating the Houthi uprising in the country, Wikistrat asked its Senior Analyst Dr. Timothy Furnish, who is an authority on especially Shia Islam, Mahdism and other Islamic sects, to provide background on the conflict and explain to what extent Iran really is involved.

Dr. Furnish notes that Yemen has been a
battleground for rival brands of Islam for over a millennium.

In the 900s, it was contested by dueling Shiisms: the (then-militant) Seveners, or Isma’ilis, from North Africa waged dawah and jihad against Fivers, or Zaydis, from Iran. (This was before Iran’s forcible conversion to Twelver Shiism by the Safavids in the sixteenth century.) The Zaydis won and established a militant Imamate in northern Yemen. The Ottomans occupied Yemen twice in order to safeguard the holy cities of Mecca and Medina as well as Red Sea trade. Both times, Zaydi insurgents forced them out, despite massive Ottoman efforts to delegitimize the Zaydi Shii Imamate.

In the 1960s civil war, staunchly Sunni Saudi Arabia (ironically) backed the Zaydis while Nasser’s Egypt supported the “republicans” who ultimately emerged victorious. After unification in 1990, the Sana’a government largely ignored the needs and demands of the 40 percent of the Yemeni population that was Zaydi, contributing to the sense of disenfranchisement felt by the main Zaydi tribe, the Houthis — which has now led to civil war again.

Iran has various aims in fanning the flames of the Houthi rebellion, Dr. Furnish explains:

* Leveraging “persecution” of Shia into regional geopolitical influence for Tehran-Qom;

* Appealing to, and exploiting, historical
connections with Shia Muslims of Yemen and greater Arabia;

* Undermining and delegitimizing the Saudi
government;

* Strengthening its strategic position on both sides of the Red Sea;

* Strengthening the anti-Israel Islamic front;

* Searching for allies wherever they can be found.

But Dr. Furnish also cautions that Iran neither created nor controls Yemen’s Zaydi discontent.

One might well argue, instead, that the Houthis Zaydi leadership is using Tehran more than the other way around.

For much of the last 1200 years, Zaydis have ruled over much of Yemen and they do have legitimate grievances against both the recent Sunni leadership in Sana’a and, of course, against Sunni jihadists like Al Qaeda and (allegedly) ISIS there.

Saudi Arabia’s reflexive theological and political fear of Shiism in the peninsula is understandable as well. Besides Yemen, there are large minority pockets of Twelvers in eastern Saudi Arabia and of Seveners in Najran.

Also, Mahdism has been a real fear since 1979, when Juhayman al-Utaybi declared his brother-in-law, Muhammad al-Qahtani, the Mahdi and their forces occupied the Great Mosque — a fear that has grown in recent years as Saudi Arabia has suffered a rash of “lone wolf” Mahdis across the kingdom.

Simply bombing Yemen is not going to stop such eschatological fervor, though, Furnish warns. If anything, it could drive more than just Houthis into Iran’s embrace.

Some means of redressing legitimate minority — Shia of all three denominations, that is —grievances must be part of the equation.

Perhaps Oman, whose Ibadi Islam is tolerant of both Sunnis and Shiis and whose government is on good terms with Iran, can play a key role here.

Finally, Furnish urges Saudi Arabia and other Arab states to keep in mind that the self-declared “Islamic State” to the north is ultimately far more dangerous than the Zaydis to the south.
www.wikistrat.com/irans-role-in-yemens-houthi-uprising-should-not-be-overstated/[/size]
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@Empiree, hope you can build on this bro.^

Yes, it adds up. But sincerely, my focus is not really on different sects calling themselves all sorts of brands.

Besides, Empiree, I see often of late that you are often in the same boat with Sheik Imran Hussein in attaching and blaming Muslim's chaos on certain "Dajjal".

I've read lot of his literature on "Dajjal, Gog and Magog vis-a-vis Signs of the last hour". I believe the Sheik is shying away from treating Muslim deep-rooted age-long political, social and ideological problems.

@bold, that's it. I tell you why it's indeed irrelevant. Let's see if you can unscramble this.

It was in the 1994, two brothers bearing same name, Yusuf. Both are muslims. Yusuf 1 is homie. Yusuf 2 is extended family friend but both lived together at the former's house. There was a time both Yusuf had unusual differences that was quiet alarming. No one would think they would quarrel with one another because they were so close. Their fight(non-physical) intensified that they no longer exchanged words/greetings/compliments for weeks. Everyone began to suspect something was wrong.

Anyways, an elderly man, "Alhaji" (d. 2011) who happened to work in the same building eventually learned about this and summoned both to settle their differences. Upon the meeting, the first thing Alhaji asked was am I allowed to arbitrate your differences?.

You know this kind of question is difficult to answer when archenemies are puff and huff and ready to trash one another.

So they refused to answer. In fact, Alhaji was basically following the Sunnah of Nabiy (Allah's blessings be upon him and his household) using such approach. He asked them same question again and again. They just can't disrespect old man. They had to agree unanimously to let him settle their differences.

Then again, Alhaji asked: "if I get involved between you two, will that resolve your differences?".

Man!, this one was hard on both sides. Yusuf 1 just could not hold his puff neither Yusuf 2 would let go without some sort of tales to narrate. So both sides started 'yabbing' over one another. Alhaji said 'I dont want to hear anything from either of you....I only asked you a question.'.

Yusuf 2 being a little younger just wanted to huff. Every time he tried, Alhaji curbed him saying just answer my question (i:e his second question).

Ultimately, it wasn't too long before both sides realized that Alhaji was not interested in their tales. They had no choice but to say big [size=20pt]YES![/size] with smiles on their faces. Now Alhaji said, "now, extend salams to one another with hugs. This buried their differences up till this moment. That's 21 years in the making.

Neither Alhaji, nor me, nor anyone else knows what really caused differences between Yusufs till now. Note, this is not a fairy tale. It was real. It's not hearsay either.

This is why Sheik Imran "shy away" as you rightly said. Indeed, he did speak on this some 20 year ago or less. He now realized that it makes absolutely no sense talking about it because it deepens rift. Those who talk about it till present, do they solve the differences?. Nope. What solves the differences?.....................Al-QUR'AN (3:103)


Wasalaam

vedaxcool:


Sorry I wasn't clear enough in my response, by the term "you" I was referring to Muslims generally not you specifically my reference to Saudi was as an example of the point I was trying to make. My point still remains that we muslims must learn to hold ourselves to the same standards we wish to hold others by regardless of whatever sect we proclaim, I don't think muslims should behave like the west in order to outdo them in their own games!

No problem.

Empiree:
Yes, it adds up. But sincerely, my focus is not really on different sects calling themselves all sorts of brands.

@bold, that's it. I tell you why it's indeed irrelevant. Let's see if you can unscramble this.

It was in the 1994, two brothers bearing same name, Yusuf. Both are muslims. Yusuf 1 is homie. Yusuf 2 is extended family friend but both lived together at the former's house. There was a time both Yusuf had unusual differences that was quiet alarming. No one would think they would quarrel with one another because they were so close. Their fight(non-physical) intensified that they no longer exchanged words/greetings/compliments for weeks. Everyone began to suspect something was wrong.

Anyways, an elderly man, "Alhaji" (d. 2011) who happened to work in the same building eventually learned about this and summoned both to settle their differences. Upon the meeting, the first thing Alhaji asked was am I allowed to arbitrate your differences?.

You know this kind of question is difficult to answer when archenemies are puff and huff and ready to trash one another.

So they refused to answer. In fact, Alhaji was basically following the Sunnah of Nabiy (Allah's blessings be upon him and his household) using such approach. He asked them same question again and again. They just can't disrespect old man. They had to agree unanimously to let him settle their differences.

Then again, Alhaji asked: "if I get involved between you two, will that resolve your differences?".

Man!, this one was hard on both sides. Yusuf 1 just could not hold his puff neither Yusuf 2 would let go without some sort of tales to narrate. So both sides started 'yabbing' over one another. Alhaji said 'I dont want to hear anything from either of you....I only asked you a question.'.

Yusuf 2 being a little younger just wanted to huff. Every time he tried, Alhaji curbed him saying just answer my question (i:e his second question).

Ultimately, it wasn't too long before both sides realized that Alhaji was not interested in their tales. They had no choice but to say big [size=20pt]YES![/size] with smiles on their faces. Now Alhaji said, "now, extend salams to one another with hugs. This buried their differences up till this moment. That's 21 years in the making.

Neither Alhaji, nor me, nor anyone else knows what really caused differences between Yusufs till now. Note, this is not a fairy tale. It was real. It's not hearsay either.

This is why Sheik Imran "shy away" as you rightly said. Indeed, he did speak on this some 20 year ago or less. He now realized that it makes absolutely no sense talking about it because it deepens rift. Those who talk about it till present, do they solve the differences?. Nope. What solves the differences?.....................Al-QUR'AN (3:103)


Wasalaam

First, I understand the hikmah 'Alhaji' used to solve the rift between the two Yusuf. But that can ONLY be apply in a MERE, family, social rift that is not life-threatened.

An issue that has to do with Salvation, is another coke entirely. The holy Prophet (peace be upon him and his household) was very clear in his statement: My Ummah will be divided into 73 factions; and only ONE out of those 73 will enter Jannah. That is not a joke my dear brother. Its damn serious to just say "don't expose where things goes wrong".

Second, as a loving Prophet, he offer a document of salvation to be written on his death-bed and emphatically says So long you follow it, you will NEVER go astray. When he was prevented from writing this, even after his demise, Abdullah ibn Abbas never stop wailing and lamenting that this is "A great calamity and misfortune event" and in his keen observations, he says The misfortunes of Muslims began on that day. This is recorded by Bukhari and Muslim among others.

Third, the word of Prophet reign supreme. In Sahih al-Bukhari, Umar during his Khilafah, concede that the nomination and appointment of his predecessor was FAULTY; but argued that Allah stopped the EVIL (present and future) that might escalate from it.

Alas! The misfortune, the evil and calamity that Muhammad's Ummah experience (and still experiencing) in this post-appointment is so gigantic that it has become a stain and shame on what Islam represent.

* Al-Bukhari records Fatima NEVER recognize the first Khalifah till she breathed her last.

* Al-Bukhari records 'Ali and his supporters opposed the first Khalifah, and refused to pay allegiance for Six months; and only recognized him when people began to nurse animosity against him.

* Imam Muslim documents 'Ali dubbed his two predecessors as Liar, traitor and sinful.

* Muslim Ummah rioted and formed a deadly mob that sieged, attacked and murdered the third Khalifah, cold-blood, after charging him with atrocities.

* Civil wars, Jamal, Siffin, Nahrawan during the 4 years of the fourth Khalifah saw Muslims murdering muslims in thousands.

Infact, there was no era in Muslim history after the demise of the holy Prophet (peace be upon him and his household) that experience tranquility. So the so-called hadith that rated the first three generations after Prophet is being question?! Best in what?

* What do you have today in the Muslim world?!

All these have nothing to do with a certain "Dajjal" masterminding rifts and chaos among the Muslims. Our wall is crack already, and not only lizard enters. All sort of dangerous creatures have crept in.

Even if we are not ready to dissect the root cause of these age-long evil, and in one way maintain the right of every sect and respect each other accordingly, attributing the root cause to this "Dajjal" bogeyman is like a daylight robbery and associating fault to the message of Muhammad.

May Allah guide our hearts aright.

[quote author=AlBaqir post=32980597]

First, I understand the hikmah 'Alhaji' used to solve the rift between the two Yusuf. But that can ONLY be apply in a MERE, family, social rift that is not life-threatened.

Indeed, a mere family issue. But much can be deduced from it to buttress a giant melting pot family like "SuShi".

An issue that has to do with Salvation, is another coke entirely. The holy Prophet (peace be upon him and his household) was very clear in his statement: My Ummah will be divided into 73 factions; and only ONE out of those 73 will enter Jannah. That is not a joke my dear brother. Its damn serious to just say "don't expose where things goes wrong".

Dont forget that all 73 sects proclaim "La ilaha ila Allah". Like a sheik once said, 'it's only when a sect disbelieve in articles of faith in Islam that throws them outside the fold.' I have not seen any sect(s) that denied Allah being Supreme, Lord and Creator. Nor have I seen any muslims that believe Muhammad (SA) is Allah. Just like you have conviction in your heart that your sect is absolutely on the right track, others, especially famous one called salafism also believe they are on siratalimustaqin. Therefore, when rosul(SA) propheciced "73 factions" within Islam, it's not meant to be exploited or abused. Quran itself signals this8:73)


Mohsin Khan: "And those who disbelieve are allies to one another, (and) if you (Muslims of the whole world collectively) do not do so (i.e. become allies, as one united block with one Khalifah - chief Muslim ruler for the whole Muslim world to make victorious Allah's Religion of Islamic Monotheism), there will be Fitnah (wars, battles, polytheism, etc.) and oppression on earth, and a great mischief and corruption (appearance of polytheism)."

This indicates unity sits in judgement over whatever differences each sect might have. The differences will not go away. That's for sure. Not until the return of Imam Mahdi (AS) and Isa Ibn Maryam(AS). There are all indications from the ahadith that the problems will not be solved prior their emergence. Sheik Imran recognizes this. That's why he focuses more on a way around it. There is no need to fuel differences. Focus must on on what unites the Ummah..........not the other way. Few years ago during Q & A session, his student asked "sheik, what can be done to solve sectarianism in islam between major sects and subsects?". Sheik Imran Hussein answered "stay out of sectarian conflicts".

Second, as a loving Prophet, he offer a document of salvation to be written on his death-bed and emphatically says So long you follow it, you will NEVER go astray. When he was prevented from writing this, even after his demise, Abdullah ibn Abbas never stop wailing and lamenting that this is "A great calamity and misfortune event" and in his keen observations, he says The misfortunes of Muslims began on that day. This is recorded by Bukhari and Muslim among others.

I am aware of this. Unfortunately, since Ulama dont seem to give a hoot about it, shows that it's by Allah's decree. A WAY AROUND THESE DIFFERENCES IS THE WAY TO GO. No Muslim burns in hell forever...inshallah.

Third, the word of Prophet reign supreme. In Sahih al-Bukhari, Umar during his Khilafah, concede that the nomination and appointment of his predecessor was FAULTY; but argued that Allah stopped the EVIL (present and future) that might escalate from it.

Alas! The misfortune, the evil and calamity that Muhammad's Ummah experience (and still experiencing) in this post-appointment is so gigantic that it has become a stain and shame on what Islam represent.

* Al-Bukhari records Fatima NEVER recognize the first Khalifah till she breathed her last.

* Al-Bukhari records 'Ali and his supporters opposed the first Khalifah, and refused to pay allegiance for Six months; and only recognized him when people began to nurse animosity against him.

* Imam Muslim documents 'Ali dubbed his two predecessors as Liar, traitor and sinful.

* Muslim Ummah rioted and formed a deadly mob that sieged, attacked and murdered the third Khalifah, cold-blood, after charging him with atrocities.

* Civil wars, Jamal, Siffin, Nahrawan during the 4 years of the fourth Khalifah saw Muslims murdering muslims in thousands.

Infact, there was no era in Muslim history after the demise of the holy Prophet (peace be upon him and his household) that experience tranquility. So the so-called hadith that rated the first three generations after Prophet is being question?! Best in what?

* What do you have today in the Muslim world?!

Too late now. I am aware Fatimah(RA) quarreled with Imam Abu Bark(RA) till her last breath. I say, all these happened by Allah's decree. He caused it to happened and he will take it away. Honestly, I have no issue with shia at all. I am more concerned about Sunni establishment.

[b]All these have nothing to do with a certain "Dajjal" masterminding rifts and chaos among the Muslims. Our wall is crack already, and not only lizard enters. All sort of dangerous creatures have crept in./b][

Yes. And we let them took over and exploit us like scavengers eat dead meat. The fact that the problems have always been there for 1400yrs, it was not obvious. These differences were actually (at large) confined in the middle east. Billion other muslims did not have a clue or never heard of sunni or shia (The SuShi). For instance, I heard sunni/shia for the first time in 1998. Never before that. Nigerians and many other countries did not know either. The whole thing busted after sept 11. Meaning, "Dajjal" has being doing its mathematics, well calculated. He was already there(in the ME) studying their differences for centuries. The outcome that he intends to achieve is what (sura 8:73) says.

May Allah guide our hearts aright.

Amin

To those that are not familiar with Pamela Geller and the likes, just a little refresh. Paller Geller is a ZionistJewish lady, a bigot who has been posting provocative anti-Muslim ads on NYC subways and buses. Even though she has liberty and freedom to post as she likes, in everything there is limitation.

Geller intends to post another provocative anti muslims ads on MTA buses. Any reasonable human being knows this is clearly incitement. She was granted right to do this because after her last anti-muslim ads, many Americans including civil rights groups complained but judge preferred to issue controversial decision granting her(Geller) wish.

One of the comments on Yahoo reads:

"This ad is hate speech designed to incite anger, fear, and hate towards Muslims. It does not have to be accepted in a municipal location, and the judge who can't figure that out is a failure."

(Below) is her next anti-Muslim ad coming to NYC and Chicago buses and subways. First ad on the bus is one of her pioneer anti-muslim ads. Second ad is upcoming.

This Pamela Geller and a Jewish Rabbi.

"You will surely find the most intense of the people in animosity toward the believers [to be] the Jews and those who associate others with Allah ;....."

Is This Woman Going Too Far
http://www.newyorklawjournal.com/id=1202724235043/Judge-Says-MTA-Must-Display-AntiHamas-Ads-on-NYC-Buses?mcode=1202616195644

Empiree:
Dont forget that all 73 sects proclaim "La ilaha ila Allah". Like a sheik once said, 'it's only when a sect disbelieve in articles of faith in Islam that throws them outside the fold.' I have not seen any sect(s) that denied Allah being Supreme, Lord and Creator.

Nor have I seen any muslims that believe
Muhammad (SA) is Allah.

Articles of Faith is more and expanded beyond "La ilaha ila Allah"@underline. And @bold, is still in the context of "La ilaha ila Allah".

So, the fact that "ALL of these sects" purportedly believe in "La ilaha ila Allah" does not define their "articles of faith" or guarantee salvation. Even the Munafiq who bear witness to "La ilaha ila Allah, Muhammad Rasulullah" will be confined to hell-fire Forever as stated by the Qur'an.

Again, the issue of the fate of these 73sects is a serious one stated with strong terms by Muhammad (peace be upon him and his household). "Shying away" from it is at one's peril.

Empiree:
Just like you have conviction in your heart that your sect is absolutely on the right track, others, especially famous one called salafism also believe they are on siratalimustaqin.

By Nature Man is selfish, and aggressive to whatever that will undermine his interest. Man is ready and capable of manipulating falsehood to become "truth" just to fulfill his desire. The early we face the reality the better because whether we like it or not, the boat of salvation can and will only accommodate ONE. On that day, Allah will never entertain excuses.

Empiree:
Therefore, when rosul(SA) propheciced "73 factions" within Islam, it's not meant to be exploited or abused. Quran itself signals this 8:73)

Exploited or Abuse, HOW?
If you consider an issue to be a salvation based, you don't play pranks with it. Those who emotionally label one sect or the other as misguided, or "maturely or rigidly" disagree with a sect, after failing to even entertain or double check the submission of this sect as against their are doing injustice to their Nafs which affect not Allah in His judgment.

NB: Qur'an 8: 73? I'm afraid you cited a wrong verse!

Distinctly Qur'an warns about sectarianism. Prophet too did the same. Unfortunately, the first recipient of Prophetic message, that is the Companions, first split into factions. Whoever says the splits is political miss the vital points. The splits and the oppositions that formed the bed-rock of sectarianism rest on the "issue of faith in protecting the message of Muhammad".

Even there are noble verses of the Qur'an and Sahih hadith in al-Bukhari, Muslims et al which clearly indicates that the companions (and those that comes after them) shall be grouped into "people of the right-hand," "people of the Left-hands", and of course, the Fore-most".

So why running away or shy or be indifference to what is obvious, dear brother?!

Empiree:
The differences will not go away. That's for sure. Not until the return of Imam Mahdi (AS) and Isa Ibn Maryam(AS). There are all indications from the ahadith that the problems will not be solved prior their emergence.

@underline, so long the "free-will" of man is still intact. And so long the Jannah and Jahanam are the rewards of "believe and disbelieve, right and wrong".

Al-Muntazar al-Mahdi (as) / Nabi Isa (as)'s re-emergence is and should not be an excuse to research to the depth of truth. Even when these two personalities come, those who will reject the truth will definitely continue to do so. Muhammad (peace be upon him and his household) came with Bayyina (clear evidence) likewise other prophets yet there were denials (Dajjals).

Empiree:

Sheik Imran recognizes this. That's why he focuses more on a way around it. There is no need to fuel differences. Focus must on on what unites the Ummah..........not the other way. Few years ago during Q & A session, his student asked "sheik, what can be done to solve sectarianism in islam between major sects and subsects?". Sheik Imran Hussein answered "stay out of sectarian conflicts".

This is useful on the global stage, and Muslim brotherhood. Nearly "all sects" agree on this. We can definitely co-exist by focusing on what unite us and avoid what brings differences which arouse the deepest emotional feelings.

But on individual, personal spiritual quest to salvation and truth, running away is playing a dangerous pranks with one's soul. It is easier to say I am a Muslim (No sunni, no shia, no Ibadi etc) but on the practical level (from Usul' deen to Furu'u deen), you simply belong and follow the creed and explanation of a sect whether you like it or not.

That is the plain truth.

Empiree:
No Muslim burns in hell forever...inshallah.

Remember the requirements of being a "Muslim" is simply declaration of the Shahadatain. Qur'an recognizes that the Munafiqun declare these...which qualify them to be "Muslim", yet Allah has promised they will abide in Hell FOREVER.

Empiree:
I am aware of this. Unfortunately, [s]since Ulama don't seem to give a hoot about it[/s], shows that it's by Allah's decree.

Empiree:
Too late now. I am aware Fatimah(RA) quarreled with Imam Abu Bark(RA) till her last breath. I say, all these happened by Allah's decree. He caused it to happened and he will take it away. .

The Destiny card?!
While many Ulama, on one hand, concede to the shattered house of Islam by the handiwork of notable sahaba; and there is a need to protect "the emotional creed of righteousness and infallibility of the sahaba" on the other hand, the easiest and fastest route to this dilemma is by playing the card of "Destiny" - A script written by Allah which every actors MUST follow accordingly?!

By this Flimsy excuse of "Destiny", we can advance the argument that the so-called "Dajjal", or its grand-daddy "Iblis", and his troops (Shayatins); and of course, the evil acts of man, the deviation (from the truth) of the ahl al-Kitab, etc are all in the context of the Script of Destiny written by Allah. And every actors simply following his own script.

So what is the significance of Paradise and Hell; punishment and reward; admonition and glad-tiding in the divine Kitab; essence of Nubuwah and Imamah (whose function is to guide mankind) etc?!

This remind me of a "Sahih?" hadith that says even paradise and hell have been destined accordingly for mankind before he even get the chance of being born so much so that a person destined with paradise will enters even if he continues doing evil...and a person destined for hell will surely enters even if he persists on righteousness. Amazingly, the "Sahih?" hadith concludes "...if there remains the distance of a arm's length in his life, he will engage in respective deed that will make him enters paradise or hell."

Allah cited an example of those who will play a similar card as that of "Destiny" thus:
'And Shaitan (Satan) will say when the matter has been decided: "Verily, Allah promised you a promise of truth. And I too promised you, but I betrayed you. I had no authority over you except that I called you, so you responded to me. So blame me not, but blame yourselves. I cannot help you, nor can you help me..." {Surah Ibrahim: 22}

Those who choose to play the destiny card have been fore-warned severally by the Qur'an: "Verily, We showed him the way, whether he be grateful (by following the way) or ungrateful (by rejecting the way)" {Surah al-Insan: 3} Is this not free-will?

This verse is even more clearer:
"And by the Soul (nafs), and the proportion and order given to it;

Then He showed it what is wrong and what is right;

Indeed he succeeds who purifies it

And indeed he fails who corrupts it" {Surah Shams: 7 - 10}

Empiree:
A WAY AROUND THESE DIFFERENCES IS THE WAY TO GO.

The way of "Destiny"! Right?

'Allamah Shibli Nu'mani, a respected Sunni 'Alim writes: "Although all the causes were present which were responsible for the differences in faith, yet the political differences started the ball rolling. The reign of Banu Umayyah was full of cruelty and bloodshed; and in reaction to that there was a spirit of revolt among the common people.

But the well-wishers of the government always silenced the people by saying that 'whatever happens takes place according to the will of Almighty,and such people should not raise their voice at all. Everything was destined beforehand; and whatever happens, good or bad, happens according to the will of Allah; and we should bow down to that." {Shibli Nu'mani, iLmu'l-Kalam, p. 25}

Beautiful Verses of Reflections in the Qur'an
"Shall We then treat those who have submitted as We treat the guilty? What aileth you? How foolish ye judge? {Surah al-Qalam: 35 - 36}

"And We set a just balance for the Day of Resurrection so that no soul is wronged in aught."
{Surah al-Anbiya': 47}


I bet you need to re-examine the "destiny card" as an excuse for what happened while we need to distinctly understand the subject of "adl illahi (justice of God), Qada'(Divine Decree) and Qadar (Measure)".

Empiree:
Honestly, I have no issue with shia at all. I am more concerned about Sunni establishment.

Which makes you a Sunni in principles! Masha Allah.

^ I'd better eschew for now.

@Empiree, vedaxcool {no cross feelings bro}, kazlaw2000:
Saudi continues her Air-strikes barely a week she announced to have ended it: More and more civilian causality (largely children according to UN). Public buildings, companies and other social facilities are continue to being destroy while their main target, the Houties, are waxing stronger and significantly undisturbed.

Isn't RAJAB among those months Forbidden by Allah, to fight war or make violence in?

Again what's Saudi's mission in Yemen apart from the call of "intervention" of Yemen's deposed president?

I strongly believe Saudi can protect her boarders without setting foot to Yemen. After all, a large area in Yemen is being occupied by ISIS and no saudi's "intervention" ever taken place there. Saudi is too important to be attracting enemies to herself. No amount of Air-strike will ever dealt blow to Houties...they've been there for thousand year.

Now US is sending her war-ship across the coast of Yemen to stop an alleged "Iranian Ship loaded with weapons" for houties.
www.aljazeera.com/blogs/americas/2015/04/blog-sending-warships-yemen-150421235427872.html

This is getting escalating...misfortune and calamity, I hope this does not end up to be Syria II

Albaqir, Assalamu aleikum

What is your opinion of the Houthi rebels purportedly supported supported by Iran? Do you support their actions?

Please give me a non partisan answer if possible.

I feel for the people of Yemen in these terrible times. We must however note these points, 1. Hadi remains the legit president, his purpoted resignation was forced 2. Houthis have no right to occupy State buildings, arrest citizens or negotiate agreements on behalf of the state.
The Houthis should be prevailed upon to withdraw, they cant continue to bring untold hardship to civilians. I dont see anything much to be gained by them in this current state of affairs.
Sadly, the air strikes wont stop now. We all know what will happen if it does. The Houthis will just take over and Iran gains foothold. Remember the Houthis have an aviation agreement with Iran already. Let all Yemeni parties come together to negotiate the future of Yemen, amicably.

tbaba1234:
Albaqir, Assalamu aleikum

What is your opinion of the Houthi rebels purportedly supported supported by Iran? Do you support their actions?

Please give me a non partisan answer if possible.

Was alaykum Salam tbaba1234, long time brother. Hope you are fine.

The Houthi remains what they are "Rebels" irrespective of what they might be fighting for. However this is blamed largely on the Yemeni government due to its immature governing and inability to unite different Yemeni ethnic minorities. It is only natural that marginalized will revolt. Niger-Delta done the same once in Nigeria; and would have continue to be nuisance. Yaradua's intervention saved the fitnah temporarily.

The Houthi have been around for such a long time and have tasted power before. And being about 30 - 40% of Yemeni population means a lot. But this group have been marginalized. There region remains one of the worst. Houthi alleged that Saudi Government helps their government against them. Saudi denies which I never believed. The Government on the other hands accused Iran of supporting the Houthi financially and military-wise. Iran and Houthi denied which I never believed. Both Saudi and Iran continue fueling the instability of already fragile Yemen: political interest I must say. Shame on the Arab Union for not being able to ever find solution once to any rivalry in the region. They too much allow foreign interest in the region.

As per partisanship?! I am never a fan of the Zaidi. My sympathy goes to the deprived and especially the affected civilians.

^ This is fair enough. This is my independent research and understanding of the ongoing unrest in the region. Iran and Saudi need to back off for good and let Yemenis sort out their problems. The whole conflicts hover around oil subsidies according to report I read online.

But why is Saudi bombing thi poor country if not motivated by some sort of incentive?. Was the bombings by Saudi necessary?. Absolutely not. Reports I have been reading for few days now on this conflicts suggest Houthis action was just normal like any other rebels in any nation. Whether it's legit or not. It's very similar to Nigeria 2012 subsidies brouhaha. Houthis accused govt of corruptions etc. But why the bombings by foreign nation (Saudi)?. What's that all about?. What's the point of that?. I am having hard time figuring that out.

I sensed Saudi action was inappropriate when someone posted this report earlier. Please if anyone think Saudi was right kindly highlight because I have not seen any justification for it. Maybe in coming months Israel may be bombing Gaza again. If that happens we will think Saudi has no fighter jets.

That Muslim man has been saying this for years but many think he is psycho-conspiracy theorist. His analysis on related ahadith on "future of money" seems close. Do please read this if you can. I dont think folks will be laughing at the Sheik anymore. Just published few days ago.

Dr. Ron Paul is very correct too.

First Look: U.S. Dollar Substitute to Go Public on Oct 20th?
http://thecrux.com/dyncontent/dollar-substitute-coming/?cid=MKT035907&eid=MKT042439










What Is This One Saying
http://www.politico.com/story/2015/04/iranian-general-us-behind-9-11-117385.html






Iran leads calls for Israel to give up nuclear weapons

http://news.yahoo.com/iran-leads-calls-israel-nuclear-weapons-183322471.html

1. Hadith from Sahih al-Bukhari:

ﺣﺪﺛﻨﺎ ﻣﺤﻤﺪ ﺑﻦ ﺍﻟﻤﺜﻨﻰ ﻗﺎﻝ ﺣﺪﺛﻨﺎ ﺣﺴﻴﻦ ﺑﻦ ﺍﻟﺤﺴﻦ ﻗﺎﻝ ﺣﺪﺛﻨﺎ ﺍﺑﻦ ﻋﻮﻥ ﻋﻦ ﻧﺎﻓﻊ ﻋﻦ ﺍﺑﻦ ﻋﻤﺮ ﻗﺎﻝ: ﺍﻟﻠﻬﻢ ﺑﺎﺭﻙ ﻟﻨﺎ ﻓﻲ ﺷﺎﻣﻨﺎ ﻭﻓﻲ ﻳﻤﻨﻨﺎ . ﻗﺎﻝ ﻗﺎﻟﻮﺍ ﻭﻓﻲ ﻧﺠﺪﻧﺎ ؟ ﻗﺎﻝ ﻗﺎﻝ ‏ﺍﻟﻠﻬﻢ ﺑﺎﺭﻙ ﻟﻨﺎ ﻓﻲ ﺷﺎﻣﻨﺎ ﻭﻓﻲ ﻳﻤﻨﻨﺎ . ﻗﺎﻝ ﻗﺎﻟﻮﺍ ﻭﻓﻲ ﻧﺠﺪﻧﺎ . ؟ ﻗﺎﻝ ﻗﺎﻝ ‏ﻫﻨﺎﻙ ﺍﻟﺰﻻﺯﻝ ﻭﺍﻟﻔﺘﻦ ﻭﺑﻬﺎ ﻳﻄﻠﻊ ﻗﺮﻥ ﺍﻟﺸﻴﻄﺎﻥ

Narrated Nafi':

Ibn 'Umar said: "O Allah, bless our Syria and our Yemen for us."

They said, "And our Najd?"

He said, "O Allah, bless our Syria and our Yemen for us."

They said, "And our Najd?"

He said, "In that place are earthquakes and fitnah, and through it will the Horn of Shaytan appear."
http://islamport.com/w/mtn/Web/3007/1855.htm

http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/401967/Najd

2.
ﺳﻨﻦ ﺍﻟﺘﺮﻣﺬﻱ

3953 ﺣﺪﺛﻨﺎ ﺑﺸﺮ ﺑﻦ ﺁﺩﻡ ﺍﺑﻦ ﺍﺑﻨﺔ ﺃﺯﻫﺮ ﺍﻟﺴﻤﺎﻥ ﺣﺪﺛﻨﻲ ﺟﺪﻱ ﺃﺯﻫﺮ ﺍﻟﺴﻤﺎﻥ ﻋﻦ ﺍﺑﻦ ﻋﻮﻥ ﻋﻦ ﻧﺎﻓﻊ ﻋﻦ ﺍﺑﻦ ﻋﻤﺮ ﺃﻥ ﺭﺳﻮﻝ ﺍﻟﻠﻪ ﺻﻠﻰ ﺍﻟﻠﻪ ﻋﻠﻴﻪ ﻭﺳﻠﻢ ﻗﺎﻝ ﺍﻟﻠﻬﻢ ﺑﺎﺭﻙ ﻟﻨﺎ ﻓﻲ ﺷﺎﻣﻨﺎ ﺍﻟﻠﻬﻢ ﺑﺎﺭﻙ ﻟﻨﺎ ﻓﻲ ﻳﻤﻨﻨﺎ ﻗﺎﻟﻮﺍ ﻭﻓﻲ ﻧﺠﺪﻧﺎ ﻗﺎﻝ ﺍﻟﻠﻬﻢ ﺑﺎﺭﻙ ﻟﻨﺎ ﻓﻲ ﺷﺎﻣﻨﺎ ﻭﺑﺎﺭﻙ ﻟﻨﺎ ﻓﻲ ﻳﻤﻨﻨﺎ ﻗﺎﻟﻮﺍ ﻭﻓﻲ ﻧﺠﺪﻧﺎ ﻗﺎﻝ ﻫﻨﺎﻙ ﺍﻟﺰﻻﺯﻝ ﻭﺍﻟﻔﺘﻦ ﻭﺑﻬﺎ ﺃﻭ ﻗﺎﻝ ﻣﻨﻬﺎ ﻳﺨﺮﺝ ﻗﺮﻥ ﺍﻟﺸﻴﻄﺎﻥ

ﻗﺎﻝ ﺃﺑﻮ ﻋﻴﺴﻰ ﻫﺬﺍ ﺣﺪﻳﺚ ﺣﺴﻦ ﺻﺤﻴﺢ ﻏﺮﻳﺐ

ﺗﺤﻘﻴﻖ ﺍﻷﻟﺒﺎﻧﻲ : ﺻﺤﻴﺢ
http://islamport.com/w/alb/Web/782/3953.htm

Narrated Ibn 'Umar:

The Messenger of Allah, peace be upon him, said, "O Allah, bless our Syria for us. O Allah, bless our Yemen for us."

They said, "And our Najd?"

He said, "O Allah, bless our Syria for us and bless our Yemen for us."

They said, "And our Najd?"

He said, "In that place are earthquakes and fitnahs, and through it or from it will the Horn of Shaytan rise."

Abu 'Isa (Imam at-Tirmidhi) said: This hadith is hasan sahih gharib.

Al-Albani said: Sahih.
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NAJD Is the central region of Saudi Arabia
Tagged: Empiree, Kazlaw2000, Vedaxcool, tbaba1234

Empiree:
I am definitely not a fan of Assad. If i condemned his opposition doesn't mean i support him.

I just have to make the following remarks on your post, if you don't condemn him then it means you are indifferent to his actions, this implies that the massacres perpetuated by him should be met by indifference. I come to this point at the end of my post.

Empiree:

I supported the right of syrians to protest against him at out-start.

Assad does not even believe they have the right to hold negative opinions about him talk more of protesting against him.

Empiree:

But when some groups on the pretext started getting weapons and money from Santa Claus to fight Assad and disintegrated their country, i have obligation base on Qur'an to shun them even though they appeared to be average civilians.You know Santa Claus don't you. When they allied themselves with santa claus, this is direct violation of Sura Maida ayah 51. They become proxies and agent of fitna. They are they are the folks who entered masjid and murdered eminent Sunni Sheik during khutba just because he summoned them to make peace with their brother(Assad). They are the same folks who murdered Bishop and ate his flesh. They are the same folks who posed with J. McCain. These people can not be the oppressed civilians by Assad. This is my understanding of the situation in Syria. Assad is simply better off than the later.

The Qurán states that clearly ..., We decreed upon the Children of Israel that whoever kills a soul unless for a soul or for corruption [done] in the land – it is as if he had slain mankind entirely. And whoever saves one – it is as if he had saved mankind entirely. And our messengers had certainly come to them with clear proofs. Then indeed many of them, [even] after that, throughout the land, were transgressors.
now your post simply disregard the value of human life and say because certain people from the opposition sought support from the west to DEFEND themselves from the Assad regime. It as a result of the violent crackdown of the Assad regime that the people picked up arms, you really need to take time to read on how Syria started the journey from its position to where it is today and Assad and Iran that receive weapons from Russia seems to hold a higher moral stand to you? Russia who after the US blocked supplying weapons to Sisi hurriedly armed the Egyptian regime that has just murdered its own citizens for protesting? Russia that has resorted to oppressing muslims in crimea and other areas, and has made beard illegal something people keep for fashion this days seems to escape your radar as being santa claus? The truth remains Assad does not give a damn about religion, Assad does not run a shia regime but a totalitarian secular regime which strongly opposes any mixing of religion and state should never be given a religious cover. The Qur'an permits muslims to deny their religion when faced with threat of death and harm, then to have expected Syrians to submit their necks to Assad without putting up any fight defeats the very basic instinct of humans that seeks to survive, if your are allowed to deny being a muslim for fear of death, then claiming muslims, being barrel bombed, bombed with chemicals snipers, machine gunned by a so called Muslim, who sought the assistance of the west to save their lives as being worse than Assad and not being oppress is making a very poor argument that puts the victims as the wrong doers rather the focus on what is right from what is wrong.

We need to remember the importance of life as stated in verse cited earlier.

AlBaqir:
@Empiree, vedaxcool {no cross feelings bro}, kazlaw2000:
Saudi continues her Air-strikes barely a week she announced to have ended it: More and more civilian causality (largely children according to UN). Public buildings, companies and other social facilities are continue to being destroy while their main target, the Houties, are waxing stronger and significantly undisturbed.

Isn't RAJAB among those months Forbidden by Allah, to fight war or make violence in?

Again what's Saudi's mission in Yemen apart from the call of "intervention" of Yemen's deposed president?

I strongly believe Saudi can protect her boarders without setting foot to Yemen. After all, a large area in Yemen is being occupied by ISIS and no saudi's "intervention" ever taken place there. Saudi is too important to be attracting enemies to herself. No amount of Air-strike will ever dealt blow to Houties...they've been there for thousand year.

Now US is sending her war-ship across the coast of Yemen to stop an alleged "Iranian Ship loaded with weapons" for houties.
www.aljazeera.com/blogs/americas/2015/04/blog-sending-warships-yemen-150421235427872.html

This is getting escalating...misfortune and calamity, I hope this does not end up to be Syria II

The problem I have with this sort of self serving argument is the ability to ignore well know truths while trying hard to gloss propaganda. I think if you can answer the following question honestly to yourself you would have no problem making appropriate deduction:

1. On Rajab, have the houthis, the hezbollahs, the Iranian commanders in Iraq, Iranian soldiers all shia militia in Iraq cease being muslims that Saudi happens to be the only muslim that should abide by Rajab no fighting clause?

2. The Syria rebels are waxing stronger everyday yet has that stopped the Syria regime, hezbollah and Iran from fighting them?

3. Offcourse if you watch press tv, civiliians don't die in Syria by only in Yemen, by the way when last did you ask about the piling and shameful murder of civiliians in Syria surpassing 200, 000? this number is a big shame to the ummah, but I guess presstv failed to inform you that Assad forces and allies are responsible for most of the body count?

4. As for the civlians in yemen every single death is a tragedy, but isn't it a tragedy that you had nothing to say each time the houthi advancement in from Sanaa to Taiz to Aden to . . ., caused civilian deaths?

5. Does Houthi receive support from the Yemeni army? or Do you think that they became formidable over night?

6. Does the houthi receive support from ex dictator Saleh? who used his influence in the army to prevent any form of defense from the houthi rebels while at the same using them in supporting the houthis?

7. Did the Houthi attack Sanaa, Taiz and Aden?

8. What are the Houthi trying to achieve by forcefully conquering territories run by different tribes in Yemen?

9. Why were you silent when the houthis attack Sanaa, Taiz and Aden?

10. Isn't it hypocritical of you to ignore the fact that the Houthis brought this whole problem on Yemen while blaming saudi all this while?

11. Yemen has one of the world highest gun ownership, don't u think without intervening the Houthis action would have provoked a civil war?

12. Isn't it hypocritical of you to absolve the houthis despite their over throwing of the president who won 98.9% of the vote casted? despite his bending backwards to satisfy them by forming a unity government with them?

13. Why don't you realise that the Saudi's actions are meant to contain the Houthis from killing other tribesmen?

I think this questions are simple enough to answer

Look at the reaction of the people to Houthis in Taiz


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=29Tkl7p5s1k


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cD_UwQnlioI

Yet it is Saudi's that is causing the problem not the aggressors, the houthis!

AlBaqir:
1. Hadith from Sahih al-Bukhari:

ﺣﺪﺛﻨﺎ ﻣﺤﻤﺪ ﺑﻦ ﺍﻟﻤﺜﻨﻰ ﻗﺎﻝ ﺣﺪﺛﻨﺎ ﺣﺴﻴﻦ ﺑﻦ ﺍﻟﺤﺴﻦ ﻗﺎﻝ ﺣﺪﺛﻨﺎ ﺍﺑﻦ ﻋﻮﻥ ﻋﻦ ﻧﺎﻓﻊ ﻋﻦ ﺍﺑﻦ ﻋﻤﺮ ﻗﺎﻝ: ﺍﻟﻠﻬﻢ ﺑﺎﺭﻙ ﻟﻨﺎ ﻓﻲ ﺷﺎﻣﻨﺎ ﻭﻓﻲ ﻳﻤﻨﻨﺎ . ﻗﺎﻝ ﻗﺎﻟﻮﺍ ﻭﻓﻲ ﻧﺠﺪﻧﺎ ؟ ﻗﺎﻝ ﻗﺎﻝ ‏ﺍﻟﻠﻬﻢ ﺑﺎﺭﻙ ﻟﻨﺎ ﻓﻲ ﺷﺎﻣﻨﺎ ﻭﻓﻲ ﻳﻤﻨﻨﺎ . ﻗﺎﻝ ﻗﺎﻟﻮﺍ ﻭﻓﻲ ﻧﺠﺪﻧﺎ . ؟ ﻗﺎﻝ ﻗﺎﻝ ‏ﻫﻨﺎﻙ ﺍﻟﺰﻻﺯﻝ ﻭﺍﻟﻔﺘﻦ ﻭﺑﻬﺎ ﻳﻄﻠﻊ ﻗﺮﻥ ﺍﻟﺸﻴﻄﺎﻥ

Narrated Nafi':

Ibn 'Umar said: "O Allah, bless our Syria and our Yemen for us."

They said, "And our Najd?"

He said, "O Allah, bless our Syria and our Yemen for us."

They said, "And our Najd?"

He said, "In that place are earthquakes and fitnah, and through it will the Horn of Shaytan appear."
http://islamport.com/w/mtn/Web/3007/1855.htm

http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/401967/Najd

2.
ﺳﻨﻦ ﺍﻟﺘﺮﻣﺬﻱ

3953 ﺣﺪﺛﻨﺎ ﺑﺸﺮ ﺑﻦ ﺁﺩﻡ ﺍﺑﻦ ﺍﺑﻨﺔ ﺃﺯﻫﺮ ﺍﻟﺴﻤﺎﻥ ﺣﺪﺛﻨﻲ ﺟﺪﻱ ﺃﺯﻫﺮ ﺍﻟﺴﻤﺎﻥ ﻋﻦ ﺍﺑﻦ ﻋﻮﻥ ﻋﻦ ﻧﺎﻓﻊ ﻋﻦ ﺍﺑﻦ ﻋﻤﺮ ﺃﻥ ﺭﺳﻮﻝ ﺍﻟﻠﻪ ﺻﻠﻰ ﺍﻟﻠﻪ ﻋﻠﻴﻪ ﻭﺳﻠﻢ ﻗﺎﻝ ﺍﻟﻠﻬﻢ ﺑﺎﺭﻙ ﻟﻨﺎ ﻓﻲ ﺷﺎﻣﻨﺎ ﺍﻟﻠﻬﻢ ﺑﺎﺭﻙ ﻟﻨﺎ ﻓﻲ ﻳﻤﻨﻨﺎ ﻗﺎﻟﻮﺍ ﻭﻓﻲ ﻧﺠﺪﻧﺎ ﻗﺎﻝ ﺍﻟﻠﻬﻢ ﺑﺎﺭﻙ ﻟﻨﺎ ﻓﻲ ﺷﺎﻣﻨﺎ ﻭﺑﺎﺭﻙ ﻟﻨﺎ ﻓﻲ ﻳﻤﻨﻨﺎ ﻗﺎﻟﻮﺍ ﻭﻓﻲ ﻧﺠﺪﻧﺎ ﻗﺎﻝ ﻫﻨﺎﻙ ﺍﻟﺰﻻﺯﻝ ﻭﺍﻟﻔﺘﻦ ﻭﺑﻬﺎ ﺃﻭ ﻗﺎﻝ ﻣﻨﻬﺎ ﻳﺨﺮﺝ ﻗﺮﻥ ﺍﻟﺸﻴﻄﺎﻥ

ﻗﺎﻝ ﺃﺑﻮ ﻋﻴﺴﻰ ﻫﺬﺍ ﺣﺪﻳﺚ ﺣﺴﻦ ﺻﺤﻴﺢ ﻏﺮﻳﺐ

ﺗﺤﻘﻴﻖ ﺍﻷﻟﺒﺎﻧﻲ : ﺻﺤﻴﺢ
http://islamport.com/w/alb/Web/782/3953.htm

Narrated Ibn 'Umar:

The Messenger of Allah, peace be upon him, said, "O Allah, bless our Syria for us. O Allah, bless our Yemen for us."

They said, "And our Najd?"

He said, "O Allah, bless our Syria for us and bless our Yemen for us."

They said, "And our Najd?"

He said, "In that place are earthquakes and fitnahs, and through it or from it will the Horn of Shaytan rise."

Abu 'Isa (Imam at-Tirmidhi) said: This hadith is hasan sahih gharib.

Al-Albani said: Sahih.
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NAJD Is the central region of Saudi Arabia
Tagged: Empiree, Kazlaw2000, Vedaxcool, tbaba1234

So do you suggest we should go on a great Najd hunting party?

@vedaxcool, all I see from your 12 or 13 long highlights are juxtaposition of non related issues trying to compare and contrast Saudi-US illegitimate airstrike with what does not fit this contest. I wonder where exactly does Iran- Iraq fight against ISIL compare with Saudi airstrikes on Innocent lives.

Perhaps you go back memory lane, you and I have never dialogue on political issues under the guise of sectarianism before. Its always been you and LagosShia. And if you review this discuss again, my sole concern is Saudi illegitimate air strike. And honestly I fear you bringing derailing issues to actual issues on ground.

The Hadith I posted says it all about the Saudi regime. Period.

Salam.

AlBaqir:
1. Hadith from Sahih al-Bukhari:

ﺣﺪﺛﻨﺎ ﻣﺤﻤﺪ ﺑﻦ ﺍﻟﻤﺜﻨﻰ ﻗﺎﻝ ﺣﺪﺛﻨﺎ ﺣﺴﻴﻦ ﺑﻦ ﺍﻟﺤﺴﻦ ﻗﺎﻝ ﺣﺪﺛﻨﺎ ﺍﺑﻦ ﻋﻮﻥ ﻋﻦ ﻧﺎﻓﻊ ﻋﻦ ﺍﺑﻦ ﻋﻤﺮ ﻗﺎﻝ: ﺍﻟﻠﻬﻢ ﺑﺎﺭﻙ ﻟﻨﺎ ﻓﻲ ﺷﺎﻣﻨﺎ ﻭﻓﻲ ﻳﻤﻨﻨﺎ . ﻗﺎﻝ ﻗﺎﻟﻮﺍ ﻭﻓﻲ ﻧﺠﺪﻧﺎ ؟ ﻗﺎﻝ ﻗﺎﻝ ‏ﺍﻟﻠﻬﻢ ﺑﺎﺭﻙ ﻟﻨﺎ ﻓﻲ ﺷﺎﻣﻨﺎ ﻭﻓﻲ ﻳﻤﻨﻨﺎ . ﻗﺎﻝ ﻗﺎﻟﻮﺍ ﻭﻓﻲ ﻧﺠﺪﻧﺎ . ؟ ﻗﺎﻝ ﻗﺎﻝ ‏ﻫﻨﺎﻙ ﺍﻟﺰﻻﺯﻝ ﻭﺍﻟﻔﺘﻦ ﻭﺑﻬﺎ ﻳﻄﻠﻊ ﻗﺮﻥ ﺍﻟﺸﻴﻄﺎﻥ

Narrated Nafi':

Ibn 'Umar said: "O Allah, bless our Syria and our Yemen for us."

They said, "And our Najd?"

He said, "O Allah, bless our Syria and our Yemen for us."

They said, "And our Najd?"

He said, "In that place are earthquakes and fitnah, and through it will the Horn of Shaytan appear."
http://islamport.com/w/mtn/Web/3007/1855.htm

http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/401967/Najd

2.
ﺳﻨﻦ ﺍﻟﺘﺮﻣﺬﻱ

3953 ﺣﺪﺛﻨﺎ ﺑﺸﺮ ﺑﻦ ﺁﺩﻡ ﺍﺑﻦ ﺍﺑﻨﺔ ﺃﺯﻫﺮ ﺍﻟﺴﻤﺎﻥ ﺣﺪﺛﻨﻲ ﺟﺪﻱ ﺃﺯﻫﺮ ﺍﻟﺴﻤﺎﻥ ﻋﻦ ﺍﺑﻦ ﻋﻮﻥ ﻋﻦ ﻧﺎﻓﻊ ﻋﻦ ﺍﺑﻦ ﻋﻤﺮ ﺃﻥ ﺭﺳﻮﻝ ﺍﻟﻠﻪ ﺻﻠﻰ ﺍﻟﻠﻪ ﻋﻠﻴﻪ ﻭﺳﻠﻢ ﻗﺎﻝ ﺍﻟﻠﻬﻢ ﺑﺎﺭﻙ ﻟﻨﺎ ﻓﻲ ﺷﺎﻣﻨﺎ ﺍﻟﻠﻬﻢ ﺑﺎﺭﻙ ﻟﻨﺎ ﻓﻲ ﻳﻤﻨﻨﺎ ﻗﺎﻟﻮﺍ ﻭﻓﻲ ﻧﺠﺪﻧﺎ ﻗﺎﻝ ﺍﻟﻠﻬﻢ ﺑﺎﺭﻙ ﻟﻨﺎ ﻓﻲ ﺷﺎﻣﻨﺎ ﻭﺑﺎﺭﻙ ﻟﻨﺎ ﻓﻲ ﻳﻤﻨﻨﺎ ﻗﺎﻟﻮﺍ ﻭﻓﻲ ﻧﺠﺪﻧﺎ ﻗﺎﻝ ﻫﻨﺎﻙ ﺍﻟﺰﻻﺯﻝ ﻭﺍﻟﻔﺘﻦ ﻭﺑﻬﺎ ﺃﻭ ﻗﺎﻝ ﻣﻨﻬﺎ ﻳﺨﺮﺝ ﻗﺮﻥ ﺍﻟﺸﻴﻄﺎﻥ

ﻗﺎﻝ ﺃﺑﻮ ﻋﻴﺴﻰ ﻫﺬﺍ ﺣﺪﻳﺚ ﺣﺴﻦ ﺻﺤﻴﺢ ﻏﺮﻳﺐ

ﺗﺤﻘﻴﻖ ﺍﻷﻟﺒﺎﻧﻲ : ﺻﺤﻴﺢ
http://islamport.com/w/alb/Web/782/3953.htm

Narrated Ibn 'Umar:

The Messenger of Allah, peace be upon him, said, "O Allah, bless our Syria for us. O Allah, bless our Yemen for us."

They said, "And our Najd?"

He said, "O Allah, bless our Syria for us and bless our Yemen for us."

They said, "And our Najd?"

He said, "In that place are earthquakes and fitnahs, and through it or from it will the Horn of Shaytan rise."

Abu 'Isa (Imam at-Tirmidhi) said: This hadith is hasan sahih gharib.

Al-Albani said: Sahih.
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Yea, this is hadith i was refering to when i said this few days ago

Actually anytime i hold Saudi govt accountable, it's usually base on ahadith of akhir zaman not he said, she said.