9jacrip:


You're correct sir, it is Obadio.

In addition, Obameri's clan also reserve the right to speak on Oduduwa also.

Obameri was Oduduwa's general, he was part of the group that led the war against Obatala and Yeemo.

Impact of Benin Invasion

The impact of Benin invasion on Lagos state depended largely on the character of each local ruler, the military and economic strength of the area, the degree of political stability in Benin, and the strength of pre-Benin cultural features. In area where traditional rulers remain of Yoruba Origin, minimal influences were exerted on the traditional socio-political institutions. But in the areas ruled by people of Benin origin, greater Benin cultural traits could be noticed. Also, in settlements which overwhelming Yoruba population, Yoruba cultural values played a domineering role and the impact of Benin remained virtually blurred. Lagos like other areas of the state witnessed the impact of army occupation. Independent kingdoms and village settlements were subjugated by Benin military men. Soldiers were stationed at strategic locations where they could easily mount defensive garrisons and overlook the coastal regions.

Traditional kingdoms in the state lost their independence as many settlements such as Isheri, Ebute-Metta, Otto-Olofin, Iddo and Lagos were reduced to mere vassalages. In some places apart from the establishment of military garrison, Benin dynasty was forcibly enthroned and the traditional rulers were relegated to second rate political authorities. Lagos, like other parts of coastal Yoruba became a Benin tributary and a recruitment centre for Benin soldiers. Lagos as a vassal state, paid annual tribute to the Oba since the Eleko – provincial ruler of Lagos (Eko) held his office at the mercy of Oba of Benin. In Lagos, whenever there were constituent crisis, appeals were often made to the Oba of Benin for his political and spiritual sanctions.

In tradition, dynasty changes and socio-political re-ordering became some of thed legacies of Benin invasions in the region of Lagos State. Obaship institution inLagos was one of the legacies. Egharevba’s account claims that the system of government in Lagos oriented from the role of Ashipa (Esikpa) in returning to Benin the corpse of Aseru, of the Benin military commanders. According to traditions, Asipa wa given a staff of office, Abere, Gbedu drum and recognized as Eleko of Eko. He was followed from Benin by powerful men who assisted who assisted him in the governance of Lagos. These powerful men became the royal and the first class chiefs in Lagos. The Akarigbere headed by the Eletu-Odigbo – the traditional prime minister. Eletu-Odigbo is said to be the corruption of the Benin title Eletu Odibo who was the traditional supervisor of the voters in Benin. One account says he came to Lagos with Asipa from Benin to assist in the collection and payment of taxes. Until the Benin invasion in Lagos, there was no Oba on Lagos Island, hence, Aromire, the owner of the farmland occupied by Benin soldiers was not considered as an Oba but the head of the war chiefs. However, his marriage to an Edo woman who gave birth to his successor, Ado finalized the process of laying the foundation of Benin dynasty in Lagos through conquest and inter-group marriage. Benin-Lagos relations became that of the imperial power and a colony just as happened in other parts of Yorubaland which power and colony just as happened in other parts of Yorubaland which witnessed the invasion of Benin imperialism. Thus, it became almost compulsory in western Yoruba (Ekiti, Owo and Ondo) and among the Ilaje of the coast for heirs to the throne to undergo a period of tutelage in the art of governance in Benin court as Emeda (sword bearer). Ugbo traditions talk of such socio-political and spiritual relations among early Ilaje traditional leaders and Benin court. It is therefore not a surprise that the Benin presence was accompanied by reforms in the traditional setting and adoption of Edo titles and customs. Benin names and titles such as Sasere, Isowa, Ojomo, Lisa (Oliha), Ologbosere, Esoghan (Asogbo) (Eso), Oloton (Olotu), Out and Iyase were adopted in varying degrees by the coastal Yoruba. Ologbosere for instance, belong the class of town chiefs called Eghaevbo, N’ore, Yasere or Sasere is a corruption of Benin’s Iyase. Iyase was the Benin principal Army commander in the seventeenth century until Ezomo (Ojomo) took over in the eighteenth century. The institution of Out in the northeastern part ,of coastal Yorubaland is of Benin origin. In Benin, an Otu is an association of freeborn retainers. It refers to palace chiefs such as Ivebo, Iweguae and Ibiwe. Ojomo and Olotu titles are also found among the Awori of coastal Yorubaland. The title Lisa (Olisa) among the coastal Ijebu is also a corruption of Benin Oliha. In the invasion of Ikorodu, Lisa Eregbuwa who led Benin contingent became the prime minister and chief executive of the town. His Keremesi, a large hat decorated in silk velvet is commonly found among the Benin traditional rulers. The Oba of Lagos also uses Keremesi which shows the Benin origin of Benin dynasty.

In addition, the palace of the Awori which is called Owa is a corruption of Benin word for palace – Ogwa. Isheri traditions relate the existence of two Owa – Owa Ile and Owa Oko that is the early administrative centre and the latter palace. The two are significant in the coronation of any Olofin of Isheri. In the coronation of Owa Oko, he is given the flat brass blade, a variant of the Benin model as symbol of Authority, while at Owa Ile, he is given the crtown as a political head. Two conjectures could be made as to the significance of double inheritance the Owa Oko represents the resemblance of relics of the early palace and settlement. The acceptance of the flat brass blade, variant of which is common among the Awori of Benin origin, is an indication of Benin conquest and the acceptance of the flat brass sword by the Awori in the area to rule as vassal of Benin. The need for social security and prosperity led to the dispersal of the group from an earlier settlement which as been impoverished by Benin invasions and exploration. The event in the coronation ceremony shows the assimilation of Benin political authority into the Awori civil community. The Ade given at Owa-Ile shows the reinstatement of Yoruba traditional political structure and royal regalia, while the flat blade received at Owa-Oko shows early Benin political influence, and the two symbolizes the nature of early socio-political history of the people. Owa is characteristically a large hall for administrative purposes. While the use of Owa as name is gradually giving way to Afin Iga or palace, its use among the priestly class is an evidence of the impact of Benin invasions on the socio-cultural values of the people. Also, the use of the name Iga for palace and Idu for house which are of Benin origins are some of the noticeable impact of Benin on Lagos as elsewhere in coastal Yorubaland.

Also, the Benin word for settlement Ido (Udo) is commonly found among the Lagosians, Awori, Ilaje and Ikale. Ido has become the name of one of the most important military camps established by Benin warriors along the coastal corridor of Lagos. The Ologun as a set of first class chiefs in the Akarigbere group emerged in Lagos. This include Onilebgbade, Eletu-Odibo, Eletu-Ijebu, Eletu-Iwase, Ologun Igbesodi, Ologun Atebo, Ologun Sogade, Ologun Agbeje and Eletu Awo. A common appellation for this class of chiefs is Alabere the possessor of Abere, a bladed sword as insignia of office. Also, Iyaso, a nonhereditary title in Benin is present among the Awori; Esogbo or Asogbon, Suenu, Bajulaye, Sasore, Basua, Oshorun, Okole has been traced to Benin origin, constitute the fourth class chiefs known as Abagbon with the appellation war chiefs, and with Keremesi or top hat as insignia of office.

Benin invasion of coastal Yorubaland set in motion series of demographic revolutions and largely determined the nature of spatial distribution of the groups. For instance, areas with natural fortifications and geographical barriers in form of swamps became the hideout of refugees wars drove many people from the main land areas of Isheri and Ebute-Metta to other areas where refugees’ camps developed. Elegushi of Ikate and Ojomu of Ajiran have traditions starting that they fled Ido to escape Benin raids to settle in Eti-Osa area on the shore of the lagoon east of Lagos. In social parlance, the presence of Benin in parts of Lagos state led to significant cultural and linguistic diffusion. Benin influenced the variety of the language spoken by the coastal Yoruba. The influence of Edo language on Awori dialect was so great that the early 20th century administrator labeled the language spoken in Lagos not as Awori or Yoruba but a Benin Awori for the high degree of Bini loan words.

Thus the picture which emerges today in Lagos is a synthesis of many linguistic compositin with significant Benin influence on the Awori, Ijebu, and their neighbours. There was a high degree of flavours of Benin accent on the Yoruba language spoken by the group. For instance, the word Owo-Money is pronounced Ogho, eewo a forbidden thing ios egho, Iku – death is Uku, Isu – Yam is Usu, Ile-house is Ule, Ese- foot is ehe and so on especially among thr Ilaje. Generally, the vowel and tonal forms of the Edo such as gh/gw/u are adopted by some coastal Yoruba – especially the Ilaje. Among the group, Owo –money is Ogwo, skin- Awo is pronounced and spelt as Agho, won or han- dear, costly is ghan. Ise-work as use, idin, and maggot is iden and ose –Sunday ohe.

On the noticeable social impacts of Benin invasions of the region of Lagos state was the assumption that most Yoruba of the coast and their settlements have their origin in Benin invasions and occupation of the region. The assumptions developed as a result of the impressive influence on the socio-cultural settings in the region. The early rulers in the coastal Yoruba land as a vassals to Oba of Benin adopted almost all the outfits from the latter. Among the outfit borrowed are white wrapper tied round the waist by members of the place society. The use of white caps sewn with angles to distinguished it from those of Yoruba origin, as well as the tying white cloth round the waist as a royal dress among the various classes of chiefs of Benin origin in Lagos state is one of the enduring legacies of Benin hegemony. Also, in the mode of dressing, especially the royal regalia and symbols of political authority, most traditional Oba in their royal costumes show striking resemblance with Oba of Benin. The Olorogun (Ologun) in Lagos shave their heads and tie white wrapper round their waist just like those of Benin, while the Oba’s wrapper is tied up to the chest. Both the Oba of Benin and those of coastal Yoruba lavishly dress in beads. The Awori like their Ilaje neighbours have abebe – and abere a large flat brass sword, made familiar in the carvings of the Oba of Benin as symbols of authority. This sword symbolizes the power of life and death as well as the authority to rule on behalf of Oba of Benin.

The use of Gbedu drum is one of the legacies of Benin invasions. Oral tradition shows that apart from Abebe, Ashipa (Esikpa) returned to Lagos with Gbedu drum from Benin. This drum was used in calling people for the meeting of the royal administrative chiefs- Akarigbere, whenever stately matters were to be discussed, this drum is known by the sound it produces in Edo beating style Edindingben. In different part of coastal Yorubaland, the Gbedu drum has remained a royal prerogative, largely confined to the palace and members of the palace society. Boat regatta- Oko –Aje is one of the important festivals serving as a pointer to the impact of Benin invasions of coastal Yoruba land. This festival runs across Lagos state. One account claims that Oko-Aje was introduced from different parts of coastal Yorubaland especially Lagos in commemorating Benin conquest of the region, thus representing the coming of Oba who allegedly conquered Lagos and other settlements in war boat. Other sources claim that it was in commemoration of Asipa’s carrying of Aseru’s dead body to Benin for burial and his return to Lagos with royal regalia as the Elekoof Eko (provincial ruler of Lagos). The two accounts signifies Benin influence of the Yoruba of the coast. This could be hardly surprising since there was the assimilation of the people of Benin origin and culture into predominantly coastal Yoruba population in the state. The familiar trend is the adulteration of two cultural values. However, what is most important is that Oko-Aje represents a Benin impact on the socio-cultural value of the Yoruba of the coast. Similar festival was held annually in Benin known as Oko-Eze. Oko-Aje appears to be a corruption of Benin Oko-Eze. Yoruba coastal communities such as Epe, Ikorodu and Ilaje have similar festival. The dressing and costumes of the canoe paddles in the Oko-Aje festival is similar to those of Benin people which is one of the enduring impacts of Benin invasions of the area of Lagos state.

Also, significant Benin impact features in aspects of religious beliefs and practices of the Yoruba. Oju-Olobun shrine is one of the legacies of the Benin invasions. Traditions have it that its location was the early camp of Benin warriors. Though Obun is an Ijebu word for market, it would appear that the spot developed into market settlement controlled by Benin but with impressive population Ijebu traders. The Obun tree which surrounded by religious sacrosanctity is called ihwin in Benin traditions. The importance of this tree lies in the fact that the installation of a new Oba in Lagos is regarded as invalid without the performance of sacred rites at Enu Owa the gate to the palace. The priest of these shrines dress in white robes and shave their head in same manner like the Ologun. This is one of the most important shrines visited during the coronation ceremony. Also, the existence of Ikanse, a form of ancestral worship in part of Yoruba land is one of the traces of Benin hegemony. This form of worship is said to have been introduced by Eleko and his Akarigbere class of chiefs. Ikanse is connected the making of holes in the apartment of chiefs and Oba in the remembrance of the ancestors. These ancestors are often appeased and their spirit invoked in the time of need. This is however similar to Ikanse homage or respect paid to Oju-Egun (ritual spot of Egungun) in parts of coastal Yorubaland. Oju-Egun is observed in the Iga of Akarigbere class of chiefs that claim Benin descent which symbolizes an aspect of Yoruba influence on Benin cultural values. There are also artistic and spiritual influence not only of Benin cultural values. There are also artistic and spiritual influences not only of Benin but of those who had been influenced by them in parts of coastal Yoruba land; fofr instance Igodo types of masks were found in Ibeju near Epe. These masks are said to be similar to those of Ijo people who have a water spirit called “Ekine”

The impact of Benin hegemony on coastal Yorubaland varied from group and from period to period. Socio-economic and political impact of Benin was largely dependent on the nature of controlled exercise by Benin conquerors. In places where Benin dynasties were established such as Mahin, Lagos, Idoluwo, Oto et al. higher degree of Benin influence is observed. In places where Benin population was scanty and control was weak, little traces of Benin influence survived as the impressive Yoruba-Awori population and culture, as well as those of Ijebu and Ilaje assimilated Benin cultural values. Also, the payment of annual tributes and reference to Benin for important political decision weakened over time in part of the region. When Lagos became a prosperous kingdom, attempts were made at shaking off the yoke of vassalage through the violation of some of the traditional protocols. The annual payment of tribute became not only intermittent but also a much more intolerable duty perfunctorily carried out. Lagos account says that during the region of Idewu-Ojulari and Oluwole, Benin emissaries sent to Lagos on tribute venture were sent back empy-handed.

Also, after Oba Ehengbuda, Benin monarchy was considerably weakened by palace chiefs as the kingdom witnessed a succession of weak and feeble rulers. This trend weakened Benin impact and the situation continued until the ascension of Akenzua 1 (1713-1735) who checkmated the influence of Uzama and Eghaevbo and set about rebuilding the monarchy. There was development in the level of socio interaction in the region as a result of influx of Yoruba of the interior and other groups to the region now known as Lagos state especially when the Ondo road was opened. Since communication is one of the essential features of social interaction. One of the major areas largely affected by the immigration of people of different cultures to the region of Lagos state was the language. The influence of Edo language on the linguistic repertoire of the area is as old as most of the communities. On the Awori for instance, the influence was so great that in the 20th century, the language of Lagos was described not as Awori or Yoruba but Benin-Awori.

However, the nineteenth century was to add a new dimension to the language of the many parts of the coast as the century witnessed the arrival of the people from Brazil, Siera Leone and Eupropean nations who engaged in commerce and social interactions with the Yoruba of the region. As a result, before the end of the century, a clear distinction had emerged between the dialect of Awori in the hinteland Ota, Ado-Odo and Igbesa, and those of the coast especially in the region of Lagos. This distinction could partly be accounted for the heterogeneous composition of settlements in the area.

Thus, before closure of the twentieth century, lagos had evolved as a region of cultural hybridization, and as a melting pot of groups, sub languages and dialects. The linguistic and cultural peculiarities of each group, was gradually watered down and the foundation of influential and almost homogenous Lagos variety of Yoruba language was laid. It could indeed be said that some of the words spoken by Lagos Yoruba are pidgins and have no genetic descent in Yoruba orthography. The fact that by 1900 Lagos had become a complex region with heterogeneous cultures and people. Though the region witnessed the influence of two major conquerors; the Benin and the British, the intermixture of cultures and multiplicity of groups in the area did not result in the evolution of Benin or British culture. Rather, a synthesis of cultures which is peculiar to the Yoruba of the coast particularly the Lagosians is noticeable.

The history of ‘push’ factor in the migrations of the Yoruba – southwards and the Awori to the region of modern day Lagos state is of antiquity. Rather than succumb to hostile neighbours and insurmountable natural forces the earlier settler to choose to migrate from their usual homes to new areas. One of the recorded Oluwo-nla (Obanikoro) traditions of origin relates that Oluwo nla migrated from Benin after causing some damages until Oba of Benin recalled him home. The Porto-Novo colonies founded by Benin warriors were threw asunder by hostile and more powerful aggressors hence, the people migrated to the region of Ologe lagoon and sea shore sides, and never to return to their original homes that were threatened by Dahomean invations, as to return home would be to risk their lives and properties, and to voluntarily send themselves to servidtude in the hands of the Egun and Aja. Thus, having been forcibly displaced from home, the new settlers were forced to seek an area which offered a natural protection and restively peaceful. Undoubtedly, the existence of numerous creeks, swamps, lagoons, Island and exposure to the forest zone and sea, offered them the needed protection. These migrations could be called ‘forced’ or ‘impelled’ migrations as the only logical choice opened to the migrants was to leave. This voluntary or induced migration is accounted for by the existence of many early Awori village settlements some of which are now town settlements. In the relationship between Ojo and Iba, Ojo tradition has it that Iba people were ejected from their early settlement near Ojo.


Also voluntary movements of adventurous pioneers and dissident individuals through interaction with former homes led to chains of migration among the Lagos State Awori. This was often the result of strong attractions to an area as might partly be exerted by letters in recent times, signs and symbols or messages in the earlier period to friends and relatives back home. The economic advantage of the land occupied by the Awori of Lagos in terms of fishes, crabs, moluscs, coconuts, adequate rainfall and conducive temperature, accessibility through inland water ways became a pull factor in later migrations among the Awori.



http://www.ewuaworidescendants.com/about-us.html

This is funny, history must be Sacrosanct

squaddy:


You won't recognize fact even if it punches you in the face. Argue with your gate man.

You have been right all these while and there are many pointers to your submission

I duff my hat for your intelligence

NigerMan1:


macof - you are welcome. Am sure you and the other yorubas disouting Lagos / Oba of Lagos ancesrty are the Yoruba migrants to Lagos.
Anyway read what Oba Akiolu said:

Read what Oba Akiolu said about their Ancestry:

"Lagos is partly Yoruba and partly Benin. The matriarch was an Awori, a Yoruba, and the patriarch was a de­scendant of an Oba of Benin"

"In those days, Eko was Eko before the advent of the Portuguese adventurers who came and named it Lago de Curamo, which means land near the water. There is a town in Portugal called Lagos. They named this place after their Lagos over there. They assisted in rebuilding the throne room and that is why it’s called Iga. The palace is a place of pride and honour. The custodian of the throne must be very frank, have goodwill, be absolutely honest and love his subjects because anything he says will come to pass."

SOURCE: http://sunnewsonline.com/new/?p=102716

macof:
and who are you to tell Olukumi history? You want to know their origins better than them?
The same way you claim Eze Chima was a Bini slave you want to claim Olukumi as Bini slaves

Pls grow up you just too pathetic

macof - I wish a discourse like this remain what it should: Pure academic and scholarly argument. Unfortunately you Yorubas cannot stomach such once it counter or faintly differs from you age-long held beliefs.

Can you imagine calling me "you just too pathetic" which is akin to rude culture and Agberoism

Please don't accuse me of forcefully inputting anything. First the Olukumi story is far more diverse more than the elder claimed in history, but however it provided a great clue and support the well-known facts that some present day Yorubaland, most part of Niger Delta, a bit of Igboland and down to Lagos were once directly or indirectly under the RULER-SHIP and influence of Great Benin Kingdom.

This glorious has been attacked by Yorubas over the years, and tried to either supplant or wiped it off.

As for Eze Chima, no - I did not claim he was Benin. I supported my thoughts by posting Dr Nnamdi Azikiwe testimonials.

macof:


Facts are Facts because they have undeniable proof
Pls furnish this proof of Bini in lagos before the Aworis

Macof - You have continue to either divert from the main point or whipping up sentiments. Look just calm down and stop fighting for Lagos. Am not telling you Benin own Lagos, just as Yorubas from Osun, Ogun, Oyo, Ondo have not palimony claim in Lagos.

And is good you later-day Migrants to Lagos shouting "Lagos is Yorubaland" know a bit of the formation; culture, languages, names, kingship etc about Lagos from the olden days.

On the Lagos State Government website I shared here: http://www.lagosstate.gov.ng/pagelinks.php?p=8 it is written there that BENIN CONQUERED Lagos and established the Kingship which still exist till day. Please macof why are you offsiding this fact?

macof:


I'll keep saying it until any Bini descendant in lagos proves otherwise. . THE OLOTO is head of the Aworis nt Oba of lagos
The olumegbon being the eldest Idejo apoints all Awori Obas including the Oba of lagos lineage

macof - you and 9jacrip should please calm down. Let's take historical in an orderly manner ans stop mixing incidents of say, 700years ago with one that happened say, 150years ago.

First on the Lagos State Government website here ( http://www.lagosstate.gov.ng/pagelinks.php?p=8 ) it is written thus:

"Prior to the Portuguese name of Lagos being adopted, Lagos was originally called Eko, which stems from either Oko (Yoruba: "cassava farm" or Eko ("war camp", by its Bini CONQUERORS. History has it that the Oba of Bini sent various trade expeditions to Ghana where spices were traded..."

Now why are you guys fighting me? The ABORIGINAL Lagosian freely used the word "Conquerors" and are not ashame. Nothing to be ashamed, because it was mere incidents of past history and ancestry.

Am perturbed how you guys with no ancestry, no lineage to EKO have now picked up the gauntlet to change this FACT?

macof:


For a man trying to teach Yorubas their history you are are sore ignoramus on the said subject

Jst ask Competent people to tell you about Lagos(Eko)

Btw there's a difference btw occupation nd conquest

macof - stop going roundabout this simple issue; from insulting, to diverting etc.

On the Lagos State Website website: They freely used the word "Bini Conquerors" - wetin come concern una nau?

Okay, you guys hate the word conquerors, abi? Then go to the editors of that piece and ask them to change it to "Occupation".
But do remember this: The facts are in the archives; in Europe and in the Palace of the Oba of Lagos

macof:


Beautiful! I didn't know the Internet has a good write on the Idejo - why then do the same Internet history lovers ignore this when they see it?

macof - here is another contraction from you. You openly attacked the credibility of tonychristopher for quoting Internet sources! Now you jumped up, supporting an Internet source that aligned with your belief. WHY?

Anyway, you guys should stop using IDEJO story to supplant the fact that Lagos Monarchy has Benin Ancestry. Stop trying to use IDEJO story to vanquish the well-known story of the Obas of Lagos that their fathers was Benin.

NOTE: Am well informed about the cold war between some prominent families and tribal groups in Lagos for Supremacy, which account for some people sponsoring those IDEJO stories. However the Lagos monarchy has continue to openly admit their Benin ancestry.

NigerMan1:


macof - you and 9jacrip should please calm down. Let's take historical in an orderly manner ans stop mixing incidents of say, 700years ago with one that happened say, 150years ago.

First on the Lagos State Government website here ( http://www.lagosstate.gov.ng/pagelinks.php?p=8 ) it is written thus:

"Prior to the Portuguese name of Lagos being adopted, Lagos was originally called Eko, which stems from either Oko (Yoruba: "cassava farm" or Eko ("war camp", by its Bini CONQUERORS. History has it that the Oba of Bini sent various trade expeditions to Ghana where spices were traded..."

Now why are you guys fighting me? The ABORIGINAL Lagosian freely used the word "Conquerors" and are not ashame. Nothing to be ashamed, because it was mere incidents of past history and ancestry.

Am perturbed how you guys with no ancestry, no lineage to EKO have now picked up the gauntlet to change this FACT?

Reason I said the thing was poorly writ.

The same post that used the word conqueror never mentioned anything about military engagement, rather a diplomatic agreement between the two and a relationship that bolstered.

You keep sounding like a historian yet your interpretation skill within parameters of given sources is poor.

Lastly, you need to understand, in Yoruba land, the history of every section affects and it is a business of every section. I'm full blooded Ife. The Awori, the founders and owners of Lagos are Ife migrants pre-Bini empire. Onikoyi was from Ikoyi in Osun state with their compound being in Ife. So it is not a case of 'aborigines' and non-aborigines, it is the unifying ties within all Yoruba towns.

Ever wondered why all Yoruba feel uneasy when Ilorin history is twisted, ever wondered why they get reactive when Oduduwa story is tilted - even Yoruba from pre-Oduduwa period?

Read:

This prompted the Oba of Bini to constitute a war expedition led by Ado, a Bini Prince to go to Lagos and demand an explanation. This was over 650 years ago. However, on getting there, they were well received. The people were so enamored with Ado they asked him to stay and lead them. He agreed on the condition that they surrendered their sovereignty to the Oba of Bini to which they agreed.

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Surrendering sovereignty to the Oba of Benin does not equate conquest when the idejo still owned their lands and call shots as dey deemed fit with Oba Eko kinging at Eko (Lagos Island alone) which was a farm pepper where no one even lived - according to your source

Read:


Until the coming of the Bini's, Lagos's geographic boundary was what is known now as Lagos Mainland. Lagos Island, the seat of the Oba of Lagos then consisted of a pepper farm and fishing posts. No one lived there though. The name Eko was given to it by its first King Oba Ado during its early history, it also saw periods of rule by the Kingdom of Benin. Eko was the land area now known as Lagos Island where the king's palace was built. The Palace is called Iga Idunganran which, translated means Palace built on the pepper farm. Oba Ado and the warriors from Benin as well as some of the indigenous people who sought safety settled down in the southern part of Eko called "Isale Eko", Isale literarily meaning bottom, but must have been used to indicate downtown (as in Downtown Lagos).

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Let me give you a tip; when reading a historical source, note bullet points and read the source thoroughly for a point at a time. After you must have dissected the work for one point then you move to the other. Apparently, you're not doing this yet to talk about 'history being academic' when for you it is emotional.

NigerMan1:



macof - here is another contraction from you. You openly attacked the credibility of tonychristopher for quoting Internet sources! Now you jumped up, supporting an Internet source that aligned with your belief. WHY?

Anyway, you guys should stop using IDEJO story to supplant the fact that Lagos Monarchy has Benin Ancestry. Stop trying to use IDEJO story to vanquish the well-known story of the Obas of Lagos that their fathers was Benin.

NOTE: Am well informed about the cold war between some prominent families and tribal groups in Lagos for Supremacy, which account for some people sponsoring those IDEJO stories. However the Lagos monarchy has continue to openly admit their Benin ancestry.

Its true , I know that supremacy tussle, do you know that not every oba in yoruba pays homage to Ooni of Ife?

MrPresident1:


Which Edo are you?

Bini, Esan, Afemai, Akoko Edo, Owan, Eka etc?

MrPresident1, TonySpike - I will advice you both to strongly STICK to the CORE of this discourse. First let me remind you that history is purely academic and scholarship. Is not for the fainthearted, not to be discussed on the floor of tribalism.

You guys are avoiding the core subject to attacking personality. Yes, I know it is ingrained in an average Yorubaman to insult and abuse.

All of you are HIDING under the political term "YORUBA" while throwing away your core tribe and tongues, yet you're asking which EDO am I? Whatever you have in mind, go ahead and pour it out...

TonySpike:


To me, He doesn't seem an Edo man, but I'll give him a benefit of doubt.

TonySpike, MrPresident1 - I will advice you both to strongly STICK to the CORE of this discourse. First let me remind you that history is purely academic and scholarship. Is not for the fainthearted, not to be discussed on the floor of tribalism.

You guys are avoiding the core subject to attacking personality. Yes, I know it is ingrained in an average Yorubaman to insult and abuse.

All of you are HIDING under the political term "YORUBA" while throwing away your core tribe and tongues, yet you're asking which EDO am I? Whatever you have in mind, go ahead and pour it out...

MrPresident1:


I have a point I am driving at, and I would want him to answer the question.

He has to tell me the 'Edo' he belongs to.

MrPresident1 - by God's grace am full blooded Edo man. I know your ilk in Yorubaland; when serious topics gets hurt, you bend corners to insult personality. Bro let me ask you: Which "YORUBA" are you?

Hey, I don't have to tell anything; just go ahead, say what's in your mind. I challenge you, otherwise keep quiet forever!

NigerMan1:



macof - here is another contraction from you. You openly attacked the credibility of tonychristopher for quoting Internet sources! Now you jumped up, supporting an Internet source that aligned with your belief. WHY?

Anyway, you guys should stop using IDEJO story to supplant the fact that Lagos Monarchy has Benin Ancestry. Stop trying to use IDEJO story to vanquish the well-known story of the Obas of Lagos that their fathers was Benin.

NOTE: Am well informed about the cold war between some prominent families and tribal groups in Lagos for Supremacy, which account for some people sponsoring those IDEJO stories. However the Lagos monarchy has continue to openly admit their Benin ancestry.

This man, you're obviously blinded by emotions.

Are you saying Idejos do not exist and it is now being sponsored?

There are no supremacy battles between prominent families except you want to funish the thread with lists of such cases?

Say rubbish about idejo in the presence of your Benin fathered Oba Eko and see if you woulf not get your head ripped off.

tonychristopher:

Its true , I know that supremacy tussle, do you know that not every oba in yoruba pays homage to Ooni of Ife?

tony, it will be appropriate of and for you to take care of your homeboy because he is obviously losing it.

From post exchanges so far, macof, myself and others have alluded to Benin's commencement of Oba of Eko with his streamlined roles stating many sources, even his (your guy).

Yet he is going wild all over the place repeating the same things.

Now @ your own post: There is no supremacy tussle, it is just a case of kings wanting to stand on their twos and not necessarily defer to anybody yet knowing the roles their progenitors played in the scheme of things. For some, they want to break away from the old system of being a king under a king while still knowing their level, while for some they want to continue the system of old.

It is not a supremacy tussle to outdo each other for a position because each person knows the position of his throne, rather a tussle between new order and old order.

You are sounding aggressive and emotional, I think in an intellectual discuss like this, it will be nice if you prove your postulations with facts and refrences instead of calling names. If Idejo has a historical lacuna that is meant to be filled, let us fill that intellectually not by calling names


To me I am for intellectual discussion, I do not want to assume that you have resorted to name calling for the lack of fact


Thank you

9jacrip:



This man, you're obviously blinded by emotions.

Are you saying Idejos do not exist and it is now being sponsored?

There are no supremacy battles between prominent families except you want to funish the thread with lists of such cases?

Say rubbish about idejo in the presence of your Benin fathered Oba Eko and see if you woulf not get your head ripped off.



tony, it will be appropriate of and for you to take care of your homeboy because he is obviously losing it.

From post exchanges so far, macof, myself and others have alluded to Benin's commencement of Oba of Eko with his streamlined roles stating many sources, even his (your guy).

Yet he is going wild all over the place repeating the same things.

Now @ your own post: There is no supremacy tussle, it is just a case of kings wanting to stand on their twos and not necessarily defer to anybody yet knowing the roles their progenitors played in the scheme of things. For some, they want to break away from the old system of being a king under a king while still knowing their level, while for some they want to continue the system of old.

It is not a supremacy tussle to outdo each other for a position because each person knows the position of his throne, rather a tussle between new order and old order.

macof:

You are really not bright. . Hatred has dulled ur intellect. Try to calm urself and break free from hate, whatever offense done to you by a yoruba person can be forgiven

Nobody is denying Bini descendants in Lagos

Lagos state has Ekiti, Ijebu, Oyo, Egba, Bini, Awori, Egun, Itsekiri descendants
But let's talk Eko (Lagos Island ). .. The Island is owned by Awori - Aromire , an Idejo had his farm at the island , the site where the Bini descendants settled while he settled at Idumota - his lineage are still present there wit their palace
Oba of lagos having Bini ancestry doesn't make Lagos Bini property - it neve was, if it was the idejo cannot still be claiming the LAND- the Bini lineages in Eko don't dispute this
The Bini descendants settled in Isale - Eko, up till Enuwa where Idumota began
Aromire still holds his land
The Oba of Lagos doesn't own landed property by virtue of his ancestry, he owns only influence and respect

macof - I will be happy if you guys stop accusing me of hatred. A neutral fellow reading this thread will clearly see who's brimming with hatred.

Now to your analysis - yes macof - to an extent you're right, and I do not disprove others in Lagos. That's not my area of interest at all However Lagos Monarchy ancestry is DIFFERENT from all these points you're bringing up. The Oba of Lagos said the above - why don't you talk about that?

Again relax - nobody is claiming Lagos as his property - you're deliberately mixing things up. (And remember Lagos is also not your own property, today's Lagos is an exclusive design of the Federal Government funded by the Niger Delta OIL money!)

You wrote: "Lagos state has Ekiti, Ijebu, Oyo, Egba, Bini, Awori, Egun, Itsekiri descendants"

Why do you people from Oyo, Ogun, Osun are claiming Lagos as solely yours?
Anyway please add the Igalas and Nupes - who brought Igunuko masquerade to Lagos

NigerMan1:



Macof - You have continue to either divert from the main point or whipping up sentiments. Look just calm down and stop fighting for Lagos. Am not telling you Benin own Lagos, just as Yorubas from Osun, Ogun, Oyo, Ondo have not palimony claim in Lagos.

And is good you later-day Migrants to Lagos shouting "Lagos is Yorubaland" know a bit of the formation; culture, languages, names, kingship etc about Lagos from the olden days.

On the Lagos State Government website I shared here: http://www.lagosstate.gov.ng/pagelinks.php?p=8 it is written there that BENIN CONQUERED Lagos and established the Kingship which still exist till day. Please macof why are you offsiding this fact?i

Oh I guess lagos is Bini land
If it isn't Yorubaland pls go and tell the people Ijora, Island, Ikorodu, Isolo, Ebute-Metta etc that they are Bini and watch what happens to right there

ggo to the Aromire family to seek knowledge pls
Internet can't tell yoruba history better than the owner of Eko himself

9jacrip:


Despite providing links to prove historical facts you still labeled me as a champion of propaganda - I give up on schooling you.


The fact that your Benin skewed history holds no water has made you shift your goal post severally but this is the height of it.

If you like, reserve your ancestor's undies, your obvious inability to connect the Oba's statement to the historical fact of Benin's minute part in Awori history tells a lot about your intelligence level. I honestly hope you're not a graduate of history, it will be am embarrassment to your alma mater and historians all over.

The Oba's statement, incase you missed it, only reiterated the historical facts.

There's no angle you try to tilt the debate to that the historical facts would not trounce you.

You can take it as far as Awori not being Yoruba then you can tell me the etymology of awo-ri, tell me about ogunfunminire and their migration from Ile-Ife. And while you're at it, keep in mind a number of Yoruba towns have their family compounds/quarters in Ile-Ife and these includes Ikire, Ikoyi, (i)Remo, Ijebu-Ife, Omupo etc

I'm willing to take the debate up a notch and rip you apart completely.

I'm waiting.

9jacrip - you're accusing me of what I never said. And stop defending Awori, abi you be Awori?
I know as Yoruba, you can't do without INSULTS and GUTTER language. So I will always pass that off.

You wrote: "The fact that your Benin skewed history holds no water has made you shift your goal post severally but this is the height of it."

And what do you call your own "Yoruba" history? Oh, I see - they were cooked and served to mankind from Heaven?


You wrote: "The Oba's statement, incase you missed it, only reiterated the historical facts"

Which 'historical facts are you talking about? Please elaborate. The Oba said that his ANCESTORS are: A Benin FATHER and an Awori MOTHER. Why do you guys having problem with this?


You wrote: "There's no angle you try to tilt the debate to that the historical facts would not trounce you."

Again accusing me what you all guilty of. From raining barrage of abusive words, attacking my personality, who's guilty of tilting the discourse? Please be fair and truthful; I'd never tilt the debate to anywhere, but consistently provide answers to you guys numerous attempt to lie about obvious issues.


You wrote: "I'm willing to take the debate up a notch and rip you apart completely."

What exactly do you mean by this?

NigerMan1:



macof - I will be happy if you guys stop accusing me of hatred. A neutral fellow reading this thread will clearly see who's brimming with hatred.

Now to your analysis - yes macof - to an extent you're right, and I do not disprove others in Lagos. That's not my area of interest at all However Lagos Monarchy ancestry is DIFFERENT from all these points you're bringing up. The Oba of Lagos said the above - why don't you talk about that?

Again relax - nobody is claiming Lagos as his property - you're deliberately mixing things up. (And remember Lagos is also not your own property, today's Lagos is an exclusive design of the Federal Government funded by the Niger Delta OIL money!)

You wrote: "Lagos state has Ekiti, Ijebu, Oyo, Egba, Bini, Awori, Egun, Itsekiri descendants"

Why do you people from Oyo, Ogun, Osun are claiming Lagos as solely yours?
Anyway please add the Igalas and Nupes - who brought Igunuko masquerade to Lagos

You filled with Hate, even ur sources dnt agree with you yet u propagate ur Bini claim to Lagos

Lmao I am a Yoruba
Wait let an Awori slam the door to my face and tell me out oof the Awori history and land
But we know that can't happen, I have been given so much access to Awori chieftain families, many (potential) Future Idejo are my close friends
Oba of lagos (Eleko) is of Bini ancestry, nobody says otherwise but you go to insult us all by claiming Bini owns lands or conquered the Aworis

While you seek to brand urself Yoruba historian from ur favorite blogs (Edofolks) and dictate who tells Awori story
Why don't you follow ur advice and leave Awori alone ..you aren't yoruba I am, you have no access to the Idejo ...probably you've never been in Lagos

All yoruba are interwoven, does it bite to realize that Bini are alone? Even Esan don't stand with you in most cases
So you seek to divide and conquer

Sorry the ties that bind the Yoruba cannot be broken

macof:

They won't search for what exposes their fallacies

To correct the popular idea that Awori are subject to Bini descendants among them
Olumegbon is always present in the process of selecting a new Eleko (Oba of lagos)
Aromire is called Onile (land owner) by the Bini lineages. .as he is the owner of their land

But Oloto don't require anybody to crown him

macof - don't mix a more recent history with much older history. Narrate historical events in chronological pattern.
When Benin installed a Benin Prince as the Eleko (Oba of Lagos) both Benin and Awori were appointed as senior Chiefs, one of the Benin Chief was OBANIKORO.

However today, the order has changed significantly, which do not ERASE the Benin / Ancestral fact and the fact the Oba of Lagos said below:

"Lagos is partly Yoruba and partly Benin. The matriarch was an Awori, a Yoruba, and the patriarch was a de­scendant of an Oba of Benin"

SOURCE: http://sunnewsonline.com/new/?p=102716

tonychristopher:


with this analysis I think Benin man was oduduwa cos they seems to have influence in Yoruba instead of Yoruba having influence in Benin hence the term oba is a Benin word just like Eko and idu

tonychristopher - you don't seem to realize their innate fear? These guys are not aboriginal Lagosians, but unfortunately they constitute the "Lagos is Yorubalnd" mob. They're afraid they maybe exposed that their forefathers have no ancestral connection with Lagos, thereby they are the real 'aliens' in Lagos.

However that is not my interest at all.

NigerMan1:



macof - I wish a discourse like this remain what it should: Pure academic and scholarly argument. Unfortunately you Yorubas cannot stomach such once it counter or faintly differs from you age-long held beliefs.

Can you imagine calling me "you just too pathetic" which is akin to rude culture and Agberoism

Please don't accuse me of forcefully inputting anything. First the Olukumi story is far more diverse more than the elder claimed in history, but however it provided a great clue and support the well-known facts that some present day Yorubaland, most part of Niger Delta, a bit of Igboland and down to Lagos were once directly or indirectly under the RULER-SHIP and influence of Great Benin Kingdom.

This glorious has been attacked by Yorubas over the years, and tried to either supplant or wiped it off.

As for Eze Chima, no - I did not claim he was Benin. I supported my thoughts by posting Dr Nnamdi Azikiwe testimonials.

Academic is exactly what history is not claims. History is defined by Maturity and Not Hate
So get over ur problem with my people and open ur brain to knowledge
If you disbelief anything I tell you quickly take a trip to Isale-Eko

Read this well BINI NEVER CONQUERED THE AWORIS OR CONTROLLED AND INCH OF THE LAND having Bini descendants doesn't = Bini control
Oba of Benin never had authority in lagos. .
Eleko having Bini ancestry doesn't make Lagos a Bini conquered land. . His pilgrimage to Bini, burial in Bini doesn't mean The Awori acknowledge the Oba of Benin
All that was the Bini lineages recognizing their Bini ancestry
Same way The Ife lineages in Bini recognized their Ife ancestry - ur Oba of Benin recognize his Ife ancestry
Go sue him

NigerMan1:


9jacrip - you're accusing me of what I never said. And stop defending Awori, abi you be Awori?
I know as Yoruba, you can't do without INSULTS and GUTTER language. So I will always pass that off.

You wrote: "The fact that your Benin skewed history holds no water has made you shift your goal post severally but this is the height of it."

And what do you call your own "Yoruba" history? Oh, I see - they were cooked and served to mankind from Heaven?


You wrote: "The Oba's statement, incase you missed it, only reiterated the historical facts"

Which 'historical facts are you talking about? Please elaborate. The Oba said that his ANCESTORS are: A Benin FATHER and an Awori MOTHER. Why do you guys having problem with this?


You wrote: "There's no angle you try to tilt the debate to that the historical facts would not trounce you."

Again accusing me what you all guilty of. From raining barrage of abusive words, attacking my personality, who's guilty of tilting the discourse? Please be fair and truthful; I'd never tilt the debate to anywhere, but consistently provide answers to you guys numerous attempt to lie about obvious issues.


You wrote: "I'm willing to take the debate up a notch and rip you apart completely."

What exactly do you mean by this?

If you take the king's statement literally to mean an actual man and woman then I give up on you.

Enjoy your day.

tonychristopher:
You are sounding aggressive and emotional, I think in an intellectual discuss like this, it will be nice if you prove your postulations with facts and refrences instead of calling names. If Idejo has a historical lacuna that is meant to be filled, let us fill that intellectually not by calling names
To me I am for intellectual discussion, I do not want to assume that you have resorted to name calling for the lack of fact
Thank you

Aggressive? Yes; emotional - is getting irritated an emotion?

After providing links to support awori ownership and Benin's part and still taking the time to interpret, you should not fault me for getting irritated.

I'm out.

NigerMan1:


macof - you and 9jacrip should please calm down. Let's take historical in an orderly manner ans stop mixing incidents of say, 700years ago with one that happened say, 150years ago.

First on the Lagos State Government website here ( http://www.lagosstate.gov.ng/pagelinks.php?p=8 ) it is written thus:

"Prior to the Portuguese name of Lagos being adopted, Lagos was originally called Eko, which stems from either Oko (Yoruba: "cassava farm" or Eko ("war camp", by its Bini CONQUERORS. History has it that the Oba of Bini sent various trade expeditions to Ghana where spices were traded..."

Now why are you guys fighting me? The ABORIGINAL Lagosian freely used the word "Conquerors" and are not ashame. Nothing to be ashamed, because it was mere incidents of past history and ancestry.

Am perturbed how you guys with no ancestry, no lineage to EKO have now picked up the gauntlet to change this FACT?

pls have yoyou met an aboriginal lagosian who freely used "conquerors"?

What's ur business with Eko history u this man? U can't tell me what to talk about
Tony - an Igbo is parading on the Lagos history nobody says he should quit trying to learn about Aworis
History is not a subject you keep for aborigines alone to discuss . If Others want to learn let them learn, it's the yoruba way. ..btw I am Yoruba I can discuss my Yoruba history as I want
It is you - an Edo who has no right dictating Yoruba history based on the nonsense you read from blogs

NigerMan1:



macof - stop going roundabout this simple issue; from insulting, to diverting etc.

On the Lagos State Website website: They freely used the word "Bini Conquerors" - wetin come concern una nau?

Okay, you guys hate the word conquerors, abi? Then go to the editors of that piece and ask them to change it to "Occupation".
But do remember this: The facts are in the archives; in Europe and in the Palace of the Oba of Lagos

Lol have you seen this archives in Europe? Europeans now tell yoruba history better than yorubas
Man! U are lost

Oba of lagos cannot come out to say Awori - he is Awori despite his Bini ancestry
Were subjects of Oba of Benin

macof:

Wrong, Yoruba have no Bini influence outside eastern kingdoms close to Bini
Oba is yoruba pls
Idu is also yoruba
Eko could be but I don't speak all Yoruba dialects. .
I read once that in Ife "Teko" is Farming
Eko could be farm, farming in Awori/Ijebu

You wrote: "Wrong, Yoruba have no Bini influence outside eastern kingdoms close to Bini"

Anytime you guys wants to HIDE a salient fact you don't want in the open, you quickly applied the word "YORUBA". The man replied to your post about EKO and you're now mentioning "Yoruba"

The question is: Which part of present day Yoruba are you referring?

What are these "eastern kingdoms close to Bini"


You wrote: "Oba is yoruba pls"

This is a complete of history. In the olden days, there is no where in present day Yorubaland, a paramount King was callled or known as OBA. Even as far back as 14th Century, what you have are:

>> ALAAFIN of Oyo

>> OONI of Ife

>> OLUBADAN of Ibadan (wich came much later)

Others like SOUN of Ogbomosho, ALAKE of Egbaland came much, much later as well)

None was known as "OBA"



When Was The FIRST Time The Title OBA Came to Present Day Yorubaland?

Exactly when the Benin King installed a Benin prince as the King of Lagos, known as "OBA of Lagos"

Due to the progress and influence of Benin ruler-ship of Lagos, many tribes such as Ijebu, Egba etc also sojourned to Lagos for commerce, trade etc and many stayed put. The Benin left a plethora of words, vowels, tradition that influenced many Yorubas of those days in Lagos.

Using the title OBA was one of them.

Up till today, there is no prominent KING anywhere in Yorubaland (OLDEN DAYS) that bears that title OBA- except those whose kingship are of recent history.


You wrote: "Idu is also yoruba"

I thought you would also uproot stories from Internet to prove this? My man, all these stuff are in International museums and archives. Idu was 100% Benin.


You wrote: "Eko could be farm, farming in Awori/Ijebu"

That was brought up simply to create argument. EKO was/is a Benin word. Bro the cultural influence of Benin is still LIVE among EKO people till today. And why bringing Ijebu to this? The beginning of Lagos monarchy was Benin/Awori

tonychristopher:
Must u be abusive

Don't bother when they ABUSE you...

... they are Yoruba, is a culture and attitude. Believe me, you can't kill it in them.

tonychristopher:


That is a blatant lie and benin influence in Yoruba is glaring

tonychristopher - do not fall into their hands. Try to be specific; where exactly in present day Yoruba. They like to hear that word, because they'd been using it hide various salient facts of history, that occurred many centuries before they're described as "Yoruba" in the Mid-19th Century - which was originally applied to OYO only in the 16th Century by the Hausa/Fulani.

I totally agree with you

NigerMan1:



tonychristopher - do not fall into their hands. Try to be specific; where exactly in present day Yoruba. They like to hear that word, because they'd been using it hide various salient facts of history, that occurred many centuries before they're described as "Yoruba" in the Mid-19th Century - which was originally applied to OYO only in the 16th Century by the Hausa/Fulani.

I know ... there was no common name for all Yorubas before the 19th century. As with most major ethnic groups in Nigeria, they would have considered themselves as belonging to a city-state or what we think of as sub-ethnicities today--Oyos, Ifes, Egbas, Ijebus and so on. There was no need to have a larger group name, since they were politically independent areas with their own identities. The term Yoruba originally referred only to the people of Oyo, but literate Yorubas (mostly returnees from Sierra Leone who were of Oyo ancestry) like Rev. Samuel Johnson started to use the term to refer to all the people who could understand each other's dialects. In Sierra Leone, they called themselves 'Aku' because the greeting 'Eku ishe" was common to all Yoruba-speakers, so it was a way to identify themselves as ethnically-related amongst all the other groups. Yorubas began to feel a need to identify themselves as a single ethnic nationality because of the 19th century wars against the Fulani, which forced many people into slavery or to take refuge with neighboring groups. After many of these enslaved people were able to make their way back to Nigeria, they wanted to promote the same type of group unity at home that they had abroad. Educated Yorubas like Bishop Ajayi Crowther and Rev. Samuel Johnson consulted with Hausa historians, who were literate in Arabic and had books by Muslim scholars like Ahmed Baba that mentioned Oyo/Yorubas etc. They popularized the word as a description of the whole group in books like "History of the Yorubas".

There has been speculation that the term Yoruba is originally Hausa, as you said. It's likely that it's a version of the name for a northern Yoruba-speaking groups (Yagba or Oyo) that was adopted by the Hausa, just as the term Nago/Nagot in French-speaking West Africa/Brazil/Haiti is used for all Yorubas and adapted for the group name from one Yoruba-speaking group, the Anago. These Anagos were (and still are) from modern-day Benin Republic, and they were among the first Yoruba-speaking people in Brazil, so their ethnic name was used to refer to all people that spoke the same language. However, people still specified where exactly they were from by adding their sub-group name; an Ijebu would call him or herself Nago-Jebu, while one from Ketu would be Nago-Ketu etc.

NigerMan1:



tonychristopher - do not fall into their hands. Try to be specific; where exactly in present day Yoruba. They like to hear that word, because they'd been using it hide various salient facts of history, that occurred many centuries before they're described as "Yoruba" in the Mid-19th Century - which was originally applied to OYO only in the 16th Century by the Hausa/Fulani.

NigerMan1:



You wrote: "Wrong, Yoruba have no Bini influence outside eastern kingdoms close to Bini"

Anytime you guys wants to HIDE a salient fact you don't want in the open, you quickly applied the word "YORUBA". The man replied to your post about EKO and you're now mentioning "Yoruba"

The question is: Which part of present day Yoruba are you referring?

What are these "eastern kingdoms close to Bini"


You wrote: "Oba is yoruba pls"

This is a complete of history. In the olden days, there is no where in present day Yorubaland, a paramount King was callled or known as OBA. Even as far back as 14th Century, what you have are:

>> ALAAFIN of Oyo

>> OONI of Ife

>> OLUBADAN of Ibadan (wich came much later)

Others like SOUN of Ogbomosho, ALAKE of Egbaland came much, much later as well)

None was known as "OBA"



When Was The FIRST Time The Title OBA Came to Present Day Yorubaland?

Exactly when the Benin King installed a Benin prince as the King of Lagos, known as "OBA of Lagos"

Due to the progress and influence of Benin ruler-ship of Lagos, many tribes such as Ijebu, Egba etc also sojourned to Lagos for commerce, trade etc and many stayed put. The Benin left a plethora of words, vowels, tradition that influenced many Yorubas of those days in Lagos.

Using the title OBA was one of them.

Up till today, there is no prominent KING anywhere in Yorubaland (OLDEN DAYS) that bears that title OBA- except those whose kingship are of recent history.


You wrote: "Idu is also yoruba"

I thought you would also uproot stories from Internet to prove this? My man, all these stuff are in International museums and archives. Idu was 100% Benin.


You wrote: "Eko could be farm, farming in Awori/Ijebu"

That was brought up simply to create argument. EKO was/is a Benin word. Bro the cultural influence of Benin is still LIVE among EKO people till today. And why bringing Ijebu to this? The beginning of Lagos monarchy was Benin/Awori

Before I address this

Are you trying to teach me yoruba hhistory and language?