macof:


Before I address this

Are you trying to teach me yoruba hhistory and language?

9jacrip:


Reason I said the thing was poorly writ.

The same post that used the word conqueror never mentioned anything about military engagement, rather a diplomatic agreement between the two and a relationship that bolstered.

You keep sounding like a historian yet your interpretation skill within parameters of given sources is poor.

Lastly, you need to understand, in Yoruba land, the history of every section affects and it is a business of every section. I'm full blooded Ife. The Awori, the founders and owners of Lagos are Ife migrants pre-Bini empire. Onikoyi was from Ikoyi in Osun state with their compound being in Ife. So it is not a case of 'aborigines' and non-aborigines, it is the unifying ties within all Yoruba towns.

Ever wondered why all Yoruba feel uneasy when Ilorin history is twisted, ever wondered why they get reactive when Oduduwa story is tilted - even Yoruba from pre-Oduduwa period?

Read:

This prompted the Oba of Bini to constitute a war expedition led by Ado, a Bini Prince to go to Lagos and demand an explanation. This was over 650 years ago. However, on getting there, they were well received. The people were so enamored with Ado they asked him to stay and lead them. He agreed on the condition that they surrendered their sovereignty to the Oba of Bini to which they agreed.

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Surrendering sovereignty to the Oba of Benin does not equate conquest when the idejo still owned their lands and call shots as dey deemed fit with Oba Eko kinging at Eko (Lagos Island alone) which was a farm pepper where no one even lived - according to your source

Read:


Until the coming of the Bini's, Lagos's geographic boundary was what is known now as Lagos Mainland. Lagos Island, the seat of the Oba of Lagos then consisted of a pepper farm and fishing posts. No one lived there though. The name Eko was given to it by its first King Oba Ado during its early history, it also saw periods of rule by the Kingdom of Benin. Eko was the land area now known as Lagos Island where the king's palace was built. The Palace is called Iga Idunganran which, translated means Palace built on the pepper farm. Oba Ado and the warriors from Benin as well as some of the indigenous people who sought safety settled down in the southern part of Eko called "Isale Eko", Isale literarily meaning bottom, but must have been used to indicate downtown (as in Downtown Lagos).

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Let me give you a tip; when reading a historical source, note bullet points and read the source thoroughly for a point at a time. After you must have dissected the work for one point then you move to the other. Apparently, you're not doing this yet to talk about 'history being academic' when for you it is emotional.

NigerMan1:



macof - here is another contraction from you. You openly attacked the credibility of tonychristopher for quoting Internet sources! Now you jumped up, supporting an Internet source that aligned with your belief. WHY?

Anyway, you guys should stop using IDEJO story to supplant the fact that Lagos Monarchy has Benin Ancestry. Stop trying to use IDEJO story to vanquish the well-known story of the Obas of Lagos that their fathers was Benin.

NOTE: Am well informed about the cold war between some prominent families and tribal groups in Lagos for Supremacy, which account for some people sponsoring those IDEJO stories. However the Lagos monarchy has continue to openly admit their Benin ancestry.

NigerMan1:



macof - I will be happy if you guys stop accusing me of hatred. A neutral fellow reading this thread will clearly see who's brimming with hatred.

Now to your analysis - yes macof - to an extent you're right, and I do not disprove others in Lagos. That's not my area of interest at all However Lagos Monarchy ancestry is DIFFERENT from all these points you're bringing up. The Oba of Lagos said the above - why don't you talk about that?

Again relax - nobody is claiming Lagos as his property - you're deliberately mixing things up. (And remember Lagos is also not your own property, today's Lagos is an exclusive design of the Federal Government funded by the Niger Delta OIL money!)

You wrote: "Lagos state has Ekiti, Ijebu, Oyo, Egba, Bini, Awori, Egun, Itsekiri descendants"

Why do you people from Oyo, Ogun, Osun are claiming Lagos as solely yours?
Anyway please add the Igalas and Nupes - who brought Igunuko masquerade to Lagos

tonychristopher:
Try and be open to learning, brother we learn everyday and nobody is omni potent and know it all sir

macof:


Whit this I can say you are a lost course

You lik Google right? Try searching Olumegbon, Oloto and other Idejo . .since you cannot accepted anything you didn't see on someone's blog

All you nd Tony know about yoruba are from blogs and Internet articles wit all ur copy and paste
Only an Iidiot does that and declares himself authority on Yoruba history - both of you are not even Yoruba. .you have never might an Awori chieftain in your obviously pathetic lives so full of Bigotry

I repeat NOBODY DENIES ELEKO'S BINI ANCESTRY BUT THAT DOESN'T MEAN EKO WAS CONTROLLED BY OBA OF BENIN

tonychristopher:


Its true , I know that supremacy tussle, do you know that not every oba in yoruba pays homage to Ooni of Ife?

macof:

But you aren't willing to learn

If you are you would have looked up Idejo by now

But even if you saw anything contradicting ur anti-yoruba plot you would ignore it

9jacrip:



This man, you're obviously blinded by emotions.

Are you saying Idejos do not exist and it is now being sponsored?

There are no supremacy battles between prominent families except you want to funish the thread with lists of such cases?

Say rubbish about idejo in the presence of your Benin fathered Oba Eko and see if you woulf not get your head ripped off.


Thanks for the INSULTS - keep it coming.





tony, it will be appropriate of and for you to take care of your homeboy because he is obviously losing it.

From post exchanges so far, macof, myself and others have alluded to Benin's commencement of Oba of Eko with his streamlined roles stating many sources, even his (your guy).

Yet he is going wild all over the place repeating the same things.

Now @ your own post: There is no supremacy tussle, it is just a case of kings wanting to stand on their twos and not necessarily defer to anybody yet knowing the roles their progenitors played in the scheme of things. For some, they want to break away from the old system of being a king under a king while still knowing their level, while for some they want to continue the system of old.

It is not a supremacy tussle to outdo each other for a position because each person knows the position of his throne, rather a tussle between new order and old order.

9jacrip:


Now @ your own post: There is no supremacy tussle, it is just a case of kings wanting to stand on their twos and not necessarily defer to anybody yet knowing the roles their progenitors played in the scheme of things. For some, they want to break away from the old system of being a king under a king while still knowing their level, while for some they want to continue the system of old.

It is not a supremacy tussle to outdo each other for a position because each person knows the position of his throne, rather a tussle between new order and old order.

macof:

Oh I guess lagos is Bini land
If it isn't Yorubaland pls go and tell the people Ijora, Island, Ikorodu, Isolo, Ebute-Metta etc that they are Bini and watch what happens to right there

ggo to the Aromire family to seek knowledge pls
Internet can't tell yoruba history better than the owner of Eko himself

NigerMan1:



Yes I know this very well. In fact, there are numerous tussles scattered all over Yorubaland. One of them is the IDEJO issue.

As for Ooni of Ife, most Kings don't even regard as their head or superior. In core Yorubaland, there are 3 major Power Blocs:

>> The Ooni of Ife

>> Olubadan of Ibadan

>> Alaafin of Oyo

And all three have kings as members of their inner circles and influences.

NOTE: The Oba of Lagos does not belong to any of the blocs

However they seem to come together when they want to fight a 'common enemy' such as the Igbo. Or for political reasons

macof:

But you aren't willing to learn

If you are you would have looked up Idejo by now

But even if you saw anything contradicting ur anti-yoruba plot you would ignore it

tonychristopher:
Your going basal , your using gutter language brother, nobody is claiming authority..what we are stating is facts..why use the term idiotss

NigerMan1:

This is pure fallacy. In reality Every section does not affect the others, that came to be due to modern political and economy positioning. However it does not diffuse the historical facts on the table.

You're Ife origin:

Your fathers were not buried in Lagos Island...

Your family house/compound is not Lagos...

Your ancestry is never connected to Lagos.

macof:


You filled with Hate, even ur sources dnt agree with you yet u propagate ur Bini claim to Lagos

Lmao I am a Yoruba
Wait let an Awori slam the door to my face and tell me out oof the Awori history and land
But we know that can't happen, I have been given so much access to Awori chieftain families, many (potential) Future Idejo are my close friends

Oba of lagos (Eleko) is of Bini ancestry, nobody says otherwise but you go to insult us all by claiming Bini owns lands or conquered the Aworis

While you seek to brand urself Yoruba historian from ur favorite blogs (Edofolks) and dictate who tells Awori story
Why don't you follow ur advice and leave Awori alone ..you aren't yoruba I am, you have no access to the Idejo ...probably you've never been in Lagos

All yoruba are interwoven, does it bite to realize that Bini are alone? Even Esan don't stand with you in most cases
So you seek to divide and conquer

Sorry the ties that bind the Yoruba cannot be broken

NigerMan1:



macof - my concern is not about ownership. But the Ancestry of Lagos monarchy

Again here is what Oba of Lagos said:

"Lagos is partly Yoruba and partly Benin. The matriarch was an Awori, a Yoruba, and the patriarch was a de­scendant of an Oba of Benin"

SOURCE: http://sunnewsonline.com/new/?p=102716

In the same vein, the MIGRANTS to Lagos, from Osun, Ondo, Oyo, Ogun CANNOT claim ancestry in Lagos.

macof:


Academic is exactly what history is not claims. History is defined by Maturity and Not Hate
So get over ur problem with my people and open ur brain to knowledge
If you disbelief anything I tell you quickly take a trip to Isale-Eko

Read this well BINI NEVER CONQUERED THE AWORIS OR CONTROLLED AND INCH OF THE LAND having Bini descendants doesn't = Bini control
Oba of Benin never had authority in lagos. .
Eleko having Bini ancestry doesn't make Lagos a Bini conquered land. . His pilgrimage to Bini, burial in Bini doesn't mean The Awori acknowledge the Oba of Benin
All that was the Bini lineages recognizing their Bini ancestry
Same way The Ife lineages in Bini recognized their Ife ancestry - ur Oba of Benin recognize his Ife ancestry
Go sue him

macof:


Wat language I use is what you deserve at this point. You are claiming Bini authority don't deny what you've always claimed
Claiming Eko is Bini and all that abominable talks of Awori being conquered without seeking the people's opinion is an act of Idiocy...I say this so you know

A yoruba man is telling you No, Bini didn't conquer us, you igbo man says Yes they did only because u read it from an unknown author
That's nt facts or academic discuss

You jst lik saying the word "facts" who told you what you are copying and pasting is fact? No reference name, jst open blogs by unknown writers

TonySpike:
This just the problem with these outsiders trying to distort Yoruba history. How can anyone in his right sense rate Olubadan as one of the foremost Yoruba kings? This is very displeasing and abominable! Ibadan did not become a full-fledged city until circa 1820s, and even then was a military garrison and launchpad base against the Northern invasion. I would really advise you, Nigerman1, to desist from distorting Yoruba history and hierarchy. I don't know the profane points you have been trying to prove, but please stay on your original topic!

9jacrip:



If you take the king's statement literally to mean an actual man and woman then I give up on you.

Enjoy your day.



Aggressive? Yes; emotional - is getting irritated an emotion?

After providing links to support awori ownership and Benin's part and still taking the time to interpret, you should not fault me for getting irritated.

I'm out.

tonychristopher:
outsiders are not distorting history, Outsiders are straightening distorted history with facts ...these lies has to be purged

TonySpike:


You are as idiotic as your assertions!

macof:
Lmao

Esan! No wonder
He isn't even Bini

What then is ur business with Awori - Bini connection? Absolutely nothing
if you say Yorubas are divided pls talk about ur Edo people first

Etsako are gradually losing any sign of connection to you lot. ..what wit the islam and Yoruba names they lik to bear now

Try arranging ur burning house instead of trying to divide yorubas

tonychristopher:


The members of the Aromire settlement gave land to Benin conqueror on Lagos Island, and thus we can be sure that they, like the Oloto People, existed prior to conquest. Armoire again did not represent a single group. One section of the family settled at Tolo on the western tip of Lagos Island, and it became headed by the Onitolo, a descendant of the Aromire family. Another Idejo title holder, the Onitano, was said to be the grandson of Oshoboja's daughter. Still another Idejo chief, the Onikoyi, was brought into Lagos by Aromire family through marriage. The founder of Onikoyi family lived at Oke-Ipa on Ikoyi Island, named after his ancestral home which was believed to have been in Old Oyo. Adeyemi a leader of the Oke-Ipa settlement married Efunluyi, daughter of Meku armoire, who was believed to be the sixth title holder of the Aromire line. In honour of her deliverance of a son, called Muti, Chief Meku allocated to his daughter and son-in-law a plot of land near Iga Aromire "Aromire Court", on Lagos Island. The house built on that plot became Iga Onikoyi and Aromire's son-in-law the first holder of an Idejo title in Lagos, the Onikoyi title. All in all, four related Idejo chieftaincies came out of the Aromire line: armoire itself, Onitolo, Onitano, and Onikoyi.

The remaining four Idejo titles clearly came into existence after the invasion of Benin. To chart this process, let us return to Ulsheimer. If his account is correct, then it appears that the daily gathering of Lagos governors was one of military commanders from Benin, and not heads of local settlement. Gradually, however, additions were made to that body. The vehicle via which accretion took place eventually was called Ose Iga a ceremonious meeting of Lagos held at the palace every seventeen days. The Osega was attended by a body of chiefs whose agenda was devoted to proposing and debating community policy. Before discussions at each meeting, sacrifices were performed. After each meeting the assembled chiefs were fed and entertained by the Oba. Rights to sit on his highest decision making body of the community were extended to all recognized chiefs. Indeed, the culmination of investiture ceremonies took place in the Ose chamber of the palace. Until a chief was brought into Osega, he was effectively not a functioning part of the larger policy. It does appear, however, that leaders of surrounding village who saw themselves as clients of the Oba could attend the Osega. Village settlement in and around Lagos Island were of several types: those powerful enough to be represented by their chief on the Osega; those that were clients (and the nature of the tie differed markedly among settlements. Ranging from complete dominance and overlordship to a loose control or dependency); and those that retained autonomy, foregoing the political and protective links that representation at the Lagos Osega could offer them.

The number of chiefs with rights to attend the Osega grew slowly and fluctuated. Olumegbon, leader of the Idejo class was said to have been brought into Lagos and given a title by Ado, one of the early Bini rulers. The first Olumegbon came from Aja, east of Lagos toward the Lekki Lagoon. The reasons for his inclusion among the chiefs who attend the Osega may never be known to us. It is possible that the Benin warriors found him and his people located at a vital position on their east-west trade corridor and therefore wished to control that position themselves by alleviating its headman to a chieftaincy title in Lagos rather than subjugating him. It is also possible that he was originally a part of the Ido alliance and brought in as its senior representatives. In any case, Olumegbon was allocated a plot for an Iga in the Iduntafa area of Lagos and thus within the portion of land originally allocated by Aromire to the Benin rulers.

http://www.enownow.com/news/story.php?sno=5707


I give you facts with credible refrences now I think you owe me a bottle of beer for the energy sapping lectures I am offering you and others for free. This is what you owe me, Just Heineken thats all

macof:

pls have yoyou met an aboriginal lagosian who freely used "conquerors"?

What's ur business with Eko history u this man? U can't tell me what to talk about
Tony - an Igbo is parading on the Lagos history nobody says he should quit trying to learn about Aworis
History is not a subject you keep for aborigines alone to discuss . If Others want to learn let them learn, it's the yoruba way. ..btw I am Yoruba I can discuss my Yoruba history as I want
It is you - an Edo who has no right dictating Yoruba history based on the nonsense you read from blogs

TonySpike:
This just the problem with these outsiders trying to distort Yoruba history. How can anyone in his right sense rate Olubadan as one of the foremost Yoruba kings? This is very displeasing and abominable! Ibadan did not become a full-fledged city until circa 1820s, and even then was a military garrison and launchpad base against the Northern invasion. I would really advise you, Nigerman1, to desist from distorting Yoruba history and hierarchy. I don't know the profane points you have been trying to prove, but please stay on your original topic!

tonychristopher:
One of the hallmark of somebody that lacks intellectual finese is to resort to abusive words in intellectual debate.


I am sorry if I did quote you