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| Re: Former Jehovah's Witnesses On NL? by Nobody: 12:47pm On May 15, 2015 |
CANTICLES:I am not disfellowshipped, but was shunned by my JW family when I was young. As I have said above: 'I have to deal with the ones in my family constantly challenging me, and affecting the happiness of my mother. They want me in their paradise so much that they feel to nit pick at my choices.' It really wouldn't be an issue if I really disassociated myself from all of them. This would even mean having nothing to do with my father. He loves me, and I don't have a cold heart. I couldn't be as cold as they are being towards my mother, it's unnatural. My mother's issues are separate from my own. |
| Re: Former Jehovah's Witnesses On NL? by JuanDeDios: 1:02pm On May 15, 2015 |
CANTICLES:Either you are dumb or you don't get it. Lemme assume it's the latter. Some people were born Witnesses and spent all their lives there. Franz joined as a kid and was there till his 50's or 60's. Bethel work ensured he did not have kids. You are discouraged from "associating" with "worldlings" since you are "no part of the world as Jesus said". So you grow up having your entire family and and all your close friends within the system. I know one who said he actually had bad relationship with some of his non-JW relatives for having refused to attend their naming ceremonies and the like. (Some took it personal) Then one day, it's all gone - friends, kids, family, all. Because you confided in someone about a church teaching you thought was out of place and got hauled into the backroom and the backroom minders felt the church had to be saved from you. 2 Likes 1 Share |
| Re: Former Jehovah's Witnesses On NL? by Anas09: 2:32pm On May 15, 2015 |
@Biblespeaks. Am a lady not a sir.The Title of that watchtower was"Should Jesus be worshipped"? I remember correctly. We had the study, remember I could not walk with my legs, so I had plenty of time to do reseach, as I like to read. I was curious so I went back to the Bible. What does the Bible say about this matter? Then I found several instances where jesus was worshipped and he didn't stop them from doing that. Then the question arose in me. Why didn't Jesus stop this people if they were doing something wrong? Specifically a woman whose daughter was sick and tormented by satan, she came kneeling and worshipping Jesus, desiring healing for her daughter, the Master said, healing was for the children and not for dogs. At last she got what she wanted. Why didn't Jesus stop blind bateamous from worshipping him. He accepted and allowed the worship and I went on to check if they was a place where it was warned never to worship Jesus. I found none. I came back to the watchtower and got the scrptures they gave and read them, then I saw the twist. Its just like saying Jesus was angel Michael, since he was a messanger of God and angels ars messages. All these issues made me to really give time to the Bible, remember I was seeking. When those guys came again, this time in a company of a lady. When I brought out this scriptures and points, the lady got so upset that she openly lashed me with hash words, that was their end. JW gets folk who don't have time to study the bible for themselves. They will mesmarise u, u'd think wow this people are good. But truth is know the word for urself. I accomodate them wen I have time. Its the word of God, I don't turn them away, I can learn something. Listening to them go on and on I discovered something. They take the "logos" of the word and don't touch the "Rhema." The logos is the written word while the rhema is the revealed word. And the letter killed but the spirit giveth light(illumination) The bible is literel to them. Because they have issues with who the holy spirit is, the Rhema(revelational knowledge) is lost to them. Without rhema, the bible is just like "Things FallApart". A litereture text. I found that out. It is the revelation of the word of God that planted my feet that were unable to walk for Ten solid years on the ground and walked and have been walking ever since. No religion, no denomination. Pastor, elder, deacon, none was there. Just me and Jesus. My dear sister, find Jesus. When you find him ur life's perspectives will revolutionalise. When someone stands in front of you and is talking u stop looking at who is front of u, u start looking at who is behind him/her. The ones who are nice to you wants to win u back to religion, not to christ. I will say find christ. If you encounter christ, I tell you, you'll hve answers to your concerns. For example. Wen Boko haram was killing christians as if Christians just killed their mohammed. I don't sleep at night. I fast and pray constantly for it to stop. The more I prayed the more churches were being burnt. Truly I despird. God why? I asked. It got to point I became bitter and discouraged somewhat. One day, the Holy spirit said come, I will show u something. He took me to a scripture I have read over and over but it didn't make meaning, until that day. Rev6:9-11. The Holy Spirit gave me that scripture to rest my soul. The holy spirit said to me, if they don't do it, how will the word of God be fulfilled? From then, boko haram can kill every christian, they r just fulfiling scriptures. In order to keep the bible litereal, the JW removed the ministry of the holy spirit. They made him inanimate. Sister find Him he is so close and near. Try talking to him as u would talk to me, if I were in the room with u. He answers in somany ways. Just listen, be spiritually sensitive. U'd hear him. Me and him, we r close. My pastor has his own relationship with him oo. Me I have mind. If I need anything, I ask. He may not answer just then, but since a long term walk/work with him has shown me that he answers, I'll wait. And he answers. He could even answer as am reading something on NL. Get him for urself and nothing will matter anymore. 5 Likes 1 Share |
| Re: Former Jehovah's Witnesses On NL? by CANTICLES: 2:46pm On May 15, 2015 |
Flytefalls: In ur bible , there was a story of a man who was disfellowshipped , he had excessive sadness , why ? He want them to accept him back . ( 2 cor 2: 1 -7) mayb ur mum is still interested . Let her make her intentions known. In ur own case, before u bite this pple , ask urself : hw many muslims or protestants can allow their child mary a catholic ? They all found bowing to a statue offensive to the christian God . 1 Like |
| Re: Former Jehovah's Witnesses On NL? by yetseyi(f): 3:15pm On May 15, 2015 |
Flytefalls: loool @ darn snooty Its ok just follow peace with all men. |
| Re: Former Jehovah's Witnesses On NL? by CANTICLES: 3:16pm On May 15, 2015 |
JuanDeDios: And so what , He Born as a JW, indoctrinated as a kid .... Is dat a point? Thats not a point at all , go into the world and see how those who call themselves christians and muslims alike indoctrinate their child . ALL PARENTS CARRY THEIR CHILDS WITH THEM TO CHURCH AND MOSQUES . Mayb thats what u call indoctrination. Nope , the parents are only doing their own jobs to train u . BUT a person should decide for him/herself where he or she is going. NO MATTER THE OUTCOME . U DONT JUST GO TO THE UNIVERSITY to study a course because ur parents want u to study it , thats bad ! U must decide for urself. Its very clear at the bold , that the problem of this so called franz is that he is participatin in a religion because most of his family are in the system , and it backfires at him .... Thats a mistake for an adult. No wonder he has crises in his conscience . 2 Likes |
| Re: Former Jehovah's Witnesses On NL? by Nobody: 3:39pm On May 15, 2015 |
CANTICLES:Look, go forth and enjoy your religion. yetseyi:It takes courage, but I will try  . |
| Re: Former Jehovah's Witnesses On NL? by jayriginal: 3:52pm On May 15, 2015 |
Flytefalls: Again, you've put things in proper perspective. Christ (as recorded in the bible) preached love, not shunning. He was called a wine bibber and was accused of wining and dining with sinners. Does anyone know how devastating shunning is? Your family and friends obliged not to associate with you? And because of what exactly? |
| Re: Former Jehovah's Witnesses On NL? by JuanDeDios: 4:39pm On May 15, 2015 |
CANTICLES:I actually laughed out loud while reading your post. You don't get it - that's not a problem. It appears you can't get it - that's a problem. 1 Like |
| Re: Former Jehovah's Witnesses On NL? by Nobody: 5:10pm On May 15, 2015 |
jayriginal:Oh they'll have an answer for all of those, no doubt. My experience has been a sort of anti-ministry lol. Sometimes I have to question the mentality of the person doing the shunning. It's serious business. I have seen people crack under the pressure. Literally been handed telephone numbers of disfellowshipped people by JWs because they must wipe it off their phone but they need to know they'll always have it 'just incase'. Must they suffer also? Obviously they must, I guess it makes for a good testimonial "my mum was disfellowshipped and moved to Australia but I found love and comfort in the collective bosom of my congregation" *applause*. Never mind the fact mummy is now childless, familyless, friendless, homeless, penniless, and pathetically trying to hold on to the belief she was entitled to a difference of opinion  |
| Re: Former Jehovah's Witnesses On NL? by milkymesh: 6:04pm On May 15, 2015 |
CANTICLES: This does it. Nothing to add. All these wrtings, research, Nl thread just for JW. They most be very important. @op, pls get over this. #notworthdstress# 1 Like |
| Re: Former Jehovah's Witnesses On NL? by dolphinheart(m): 7:01pm On May 15, 2015 |
The thread is gradually being derailed. Sincerity in opinion and beliefs is being overshadowed by personal opinions . No one wants to use the bible as a bases for their beliefs and opinion. I've also asked some people on these thread questions they have parried away or are acting as if they did not see it. What does the bible say about difellowshiping/ excommunication /shunning? Do we have examples of such in the bible? Are we using the actions of men, personal opinion and feelings as the bases of how we serve God .? Does the op realise that not everybody supporting her view actually believe/support her view , actually believe the bible? I believe half of the problem will be solved if we , the christians on these thread can use The scripture(bible) we believe in to first come to an agreement on how the pratice of shunning/ disfelowshipment of individuals should really be. 1 Like |
| Re: Former Jehovah's Witnesses On NL? by Nobody: 7:47pm On May 15, 2015 |
dolphinheart:The OP is quite aware, the OP has no issue conversing with all as she is not afraid, but the OP really doesn't want to get into a Bible Battle Royale here on NL, neither did the OP ask that JW supporters come in here to lecture her about how right it is that her mother is shunned. Grow a heart and recognise when somebody is not interested in how you view things.Have a good weekend. milkymesh:If this issue doesn't bother you, don't make it out like it's nothing. Many people over the world would beg to differ. The support/materials I've gotten on this thread will help me get over it, so never will I say it wasn't worth the stress. 1 Like |
| Re: Former Jehovah's Witnesses On NL? by dolphinheart(m): 10:32pm On May 15, 2015 |
Flytefalls: Remember I said I feel sad about the whole event, it pains me to see you say I should grow a heart. The thread brought up three things , the feeling , the view and the opinion. Few people on both sides are handling the feeling in ways I feel wunt help . What do those materials tell you about how to handle the situation, condenming those you feel caused it? Butressing ur own view about those who caused it? Associating with others or reclyning and finding solace from inside urself?. Those materials might only deepen ur resolve but wunt solve the feeling. And if you feel it will solve it, ill be glad to hear details. Likewise some on other side here too have forgotten about the feeling aspect and prefer getting into the views and opinion aspect, which you dnt want to discuss even though its part of the thread and also important.(I admit I also went into those aspects too but I feel it was because you aired ur views and opinion too) When one is sad or in a somewhat negative emotional state caused by a situation, one tend to fight the cause, and probably accept any help or way out. But a wise person (which I definitely believe you are ) will look at those ways out, those helping hands , will shift them out with questions and come to a conclusion on if the helpers(on both sides) offer real happiness or positive emotion from my sad or negative situation. Some here just want you have a negative view of the organization and do not care what you really do to solve the issue. But remember,(and I know we both agree on these , its not a lecture or advise) that the way u solve these issue will go a long way in determining what you believe , ur beliefs , ur search for truth, ur happiness and eventual salvation. 1 Like |
| Re: Former Jehovah's Witnesses On NL? by Nobody: 1:38am On May 16, 2015 |
dolphinheart:This is a video for you to grasp the human element of the situation. Watch it, don't watch it; your choice. I found it earlier, somebody here advised me to look for videos, I'm glad I did. This could be my mum and I, easily. This is very similar to what my mum and I have always had to endure together for years. It gets tiring. This is a video I needed. You need not reply. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mfw41YMMCl0 |
| Re: Former Jehovah's Witnesses On NL? by johnw74: 5:07am On May 16, 2015 |
jw think that the Holy Spirit is just God's power, jw think that they have God's power, and so they think they are powerful. What is in them is not actually powerful but prideful, it shows in many of their postings. It is from a spirit, not the Holy Spirit though. Christians who have God's Holy Spirit are fortunate, they have a personal relationship with God. Joh_14:16 And I will pray the Father, and He shall give you another Comforter, so that He may be with you forever, Joh_14:26 But the Comforter, the Holy Spirit whom the Father will send in My name, He shall teach you all things and bring all things to your remembrance, whatever I have said to you. Joh_15:26 And when the Comforter has come, whom I will send to you from the Father, the Spirit of truth who proceeds from the Father, He shall testify of Me. In those verses Jesus says He will ask the Father to send the Holy Spirit, that is three persons. Notice the Holy Spirit is not a thing, but He, is a person, whom I will send... Also "the comforter" doesn't sound like a power or force, but a person. Comforter is a personal attribute, as in person, as in God. |
| Re: Former Jehovah's Witnesses On NL? by MizMyColi(f): 6:59am On May 16, 2015 |
I may not have biblical proof portending my stance that it is humanly wrong to dismiss anyone from "God's" presence, but I have a spirit in me, a spirit that gives me understanding. For that I unequivocally declare it is wrong. The reason most people go to church isn't really to find God, but to fellowship (be with other fellows in a ship) based on the knowledge that you share similar values. I remember a place in the scriptures where Jesus said No one who comes to me will I in ANYWISE cast out. I grew up with lotsa guilt preachings. I was taught that I needed to do this and that to win God's Favour. Well, to a large extent, that God doesn't exist in my life anymore. I wish I could address my knowledge of God now in totally different terms from what we have these days in Christian circles. I don't go to church. I don't read the bible. I can imagine the number of folks who on reading this must have condemned me to the hottest part of hell. I desire fellowship too, people who share my ideals on unhinged freedom, who do not concern themselves so much as to how I live my life. A place where we come as we are. Where acceptance, living, life and love reigns supreme. I desire a place where there are no structures, where one doesn't feel like he deserves to be worshipped because he's seemingly better than me. I don't wanna feel like I'm under the control of or answerable to someone whom I share no blood or marital ties with. I just wanna be free to be me. To live, to learn, to succeed, gaffe and just know that it's okay because I'm eternally accepted. I want a place that's devoid of judgement, where I'm not constantly under the tortorous teachings of hell and how God will punish the lot who dissent. Away from dogmas and doctrines of every kind. I admit that we, virtually all of us, have a screwed view of God. What irks me is how we are willing to go to war for the version/brand of God we think of as correct, most times losing our humanity in the process. If you know of any fellowship with these specifications in Nigeria, please let me know. For now, fellowshipping with a plethora of humans like I do on NL and other social media and more importantly, my family and a few close friends is enough. The God dimension within me is enough. I'm sorry if this comes off as derailing. The thread got me attracted cos I saw the OP showing some humanity/deepness. I thought of it as a platform to bare my thoughts too. Thanks for having me. 3 Likes |
| Re: Former Jehovah's Witnesses On NL? by CANTICLES: 3:05pm On May 16, 2015 |
Flytefalls: Support ? U min d support of those who call themselves ex- JW who find it hard to go to other religions after leaving that church ? People who still battle with their emotions like d videos u posted above ? Oh my God! Why cant they just move on instead of talkin everyday about their depressed state ... ? Why do they find it hard to go to another religion .. If truly they ar not interested anymore ? this retain my earlier words that they felt like someone who just lost a pot of gold Material u got ? U min that of franz who himself is emotionally depressed ? Mind u, are u aware that though franz left ,he never join another church and NEVER let go of the his former view on trinity &hellfire ? Is that the material u crave ? Chai ! I shake head for u. 4 Likes |
| Re: Former Jehovah's Witnesses On NL? by milkymesh: 4:40pm On May 16, 2015 |
This thread got me digging the various material recommended here. I,ve almost read thru d crises of conscience, i,ve visited jwfact.com and many other materials and site. Believe me, all i saw is some disgruntled individual who felt short changed(i used this for lack of handy adj to qualify it) by the sanction they got after devoting most of their life to jw activities. Most if not all thesr guys supported or condoned without xomplaining when these sanctions were applied to others. Can franz, paul of jwfact.com deny that he never ostracize any individual to was excomm when he was a fire brand member. Why is it that most devoted members who left find it diff to join other churches? 1 Like |
| Re: Former Jehovah's Witnesses On NL? by kaboninc(m): 8:44pm On May 16, 2015 |
| Re: Former Jehovah's Witnesses On NL? by MizMyColi(f): 8:50pm On May 16, 2015 |
| Re: Former Jehovah's Witnesses On NL? by 190theclown: 8:12pm On May 21, 2015 |
Y'all dont make the mistake of listening to Flytefallz She's always wrong  |
| Re: Former Jehovah's Witnesses On NL? by bingbagbo(m): 8:48pm On May 21, 2015 |
jw is a cult demonic doctrines iam not afraid to expose them |
| Re: Former Jehovah's Witnesses On NL? by dhope: 9:55pm On May 21, 2015 |
d victims or prey of jw pple are sunday sunday church goer who dont know what bible contains. i used to respect jw a little b4 until i dated one jw lady. i hated dt religion day by day whenever i see dt lady because we always engaged in unending argument everytime abt religion which has led to altercatn several times. I got to know dt their NEW WORLD TRANSLATION BIBLE VERSION was produced to back up their philosophical belief. many adherent of dt belief cant explain d reason Mr rutherford choosed 1914 (year nigeria was born) as d yrJesus started reigning in heaven. infact my prayer for dem is dt Holy spirit open up their eyes b4 it is late |
| Re: Former Jehovah's Witnesses On NL? by Aizenosa(m): 10:10pm On May 21, 2015 |
[quote author=CheKesch post=33698783][/quote] Pls u people should get off ur high horse, Christianity is humility and u people saying u are the only people. is utterly wrong, I know of a group in a church dat the total jw in the whole world is almost as much as dem and dere primary assignment is to win souls |
| Re: Former Jehovah's Witnesses On NL? by Anas09: 11:50pm On May 21, 2015 |
Lol. Their primary purpose is to win souls? Who commaded us to win souls? Christ did. Have u tried to discover their concept of christ? They say christ is an Angel. So we r winning souls for an Angel? The Muslims win souls, the Atheist win souls all religions win souls, that doesn't mean they r winning souls for the right reason. Satan has an agenda. There's something sinister about the JWs. If u read ur Bible and know Jesus of the Bible well, u will see that the Jesus of the JW, the muslims, and the catholic is the same Jesus, without divinity. That's not the Jesus of Nazareth. 1 Like |
| Re: Former Jehovah's Witnesses On NL? by Nobody: 9:35am On May 22, 2015 |
Anas09:The Jesus of the Catholics is not divine? When it was a Catholic Council which defended and defined as dogma the Divinity of Jesus in the face of the Arian heresy. Does the Council of Nicaea in 325 AD ring a bell? This is an ecumenical council of the Catholic Church which declared by the power of the Holy Spirit that Jesus is God against the Arian heretics. And this happened more than 1000 years before the first Protestant church. Can you now point to a Catholic teaching that says that Jesus is not God? Or was that just giving false witness which i'm sure you know is a sin in the eyes of God? 1 Like |
| Re: Former Jehovah's Witnesses On NL? by Nobody: 9:39am On May 22, 2015 |
Anas09:And here is the Catholic Creed: I believe in one God, the Father Almighty, Maker of heaven and earth, and of all things visible and invisible. And in one Lord Jesus Christ, the only-begotten Son of God, begotten of the Father before all worlds; God of God, Light of Light, very God of very God; begotten, not made, being of one substance with the Father, by whom all things were made. Who, for us men for our salvation, came down from heaven, and was incarnate by the Holy Spirit of the virgin Mary, and was made man; and was crucified also for us under Pontius Pilate; He suffered and was buried; and the third day He rose again, according to the Scriptures; and ascended into heaven, and sits on the right hand of the Father; and He shall come again, with glory, to judge the quick and the dead; whose kingdom shall have no end. And I believe in the Holy Ghost, the Lord and Giver of Life; who proceeds from the Father [and the Son]; who with the Father and the Son together is worshipped and glorified; who spoke by the prophets. And I believe one holy catholic and apostolic Church. I acknowledge one baptism for the remission of sins; and I look for the resurrection of the dead, and the life of the world to come. Amen. |
| Re: Former Jehovah's Witnesses On NL? by RikoduoSennin(m): 1:48pm On May 22, 2015 |
milkymesh: Because they can never FULLY accept the teachings/practices of those churches as the truth- their conscience won't let them. Someone who DISASSOCIATE himself/herself from JW organisation should not feel bad about being shunned by JW members eg Should a PDP decampee feel bad if his/her former PDP members shun him or her? Christian life does not begin and end in our respective place of worship, so don't expect a different treatment when we are aside our place of worship. No student runs away from going to school because he or she was discipline a day before, they come back and make amends after learning from their mistakes, so should disfellowshipped ones. If you are looking for a religion where others won't be poking into your 'Business', then JW is not for your. Because @ JW, members help one and another if they are on the verge of straying from the flock (Galatians 6:1). 2 Likes |
| Re: Former Jehovah's Witnesses On NL? by RikoduoSennin(m): 1:51pm On May 22, 2015 |
bingbagbo: Yet you have failed time and again to PROVE in CLEAR TERMS how are they (JW) a cult? 1 Like |
| Re: Former Jehovah's Witnesses On NL? by RikoduoSennin(m): 1:56pm On May 22, 2015 |
dhope: You 'Dated' a JW girl with whom you argue a lot with? Produced NWT to back up their philosophy? Where did you get that from? Your peers- who told you! Did you not know that JW use other translations too to preach to others or did they force the NWT on you when they preached to you? 1914 really? You may not no why that date was chosen but don't say 'many adherent don't know'. |
| Re: Former Jehovah's Witnesses On NL? by paulGrundy(m): 9:27pm On May 22, 2015 |
JuanDeDios: No |
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