@ pazienza,

I understand fully well what is happening but honestly, I will attribute it to the way Nigeria was formed.

If we leave together, our constitution would try to correct a lot of things.

With the rule of law being our guiding principle, I don't think we will have much to worry about.

The very core of a nation would be enshrined in our constitution:
Absolute resource control
Equality in the national assembly
Freedom of movement
Right to vote and be voted for
Citizenship of regions by birth

These are obtainable in every sane nation.

We don't need no one to rally around us, everyone should carry themselves.

pazienza:


Ndiigbo have no double mindedness over the Kind of Nigeria we want or our desire for independent existence if such kind of Nigeria cannot be realized, as we now know.

For an Ikwerre guy, you exhibit a degree of Igbophobia that can only be exhibited by people from lands west of Ikalands.

You better watch it. Don't blow your cover, know how to walk the fine lines without being overtly conspicuous.

Im trying to paint the picture as it is.

Beacause the Igbos, collectively, haven't laid to rest the ghost of the biafran struggle after over 30yrs, many view as insincere the aspirations of any Igbo to become Nigerias president.

Igbos should give other Nigerians a reason to trust them..and if they must choose Biafra over Nigeria, its best they go it alone and leave uninterested minorities out of it..Simple

I dnt know what u meant by blowing my cover...Im a full blooded Ikwerre guy, if ure interested in coming to PH to confront me, u are most welcome.

HopeAtHand:


Im trying to paint the picture as it is.

Beacause the Igbos, collectively, haven't laid to rest the ghost of the biafran struggle after over 30yrs, many view as insincere the aspirations of any Igbo to become Nigerias president.

Igbos should give other Nigerians a reason to trust them..and if they must choose Biafra over Nigeria, its best they go it alone and leave uninterested minorities out of it..Simple

I dnt know what u meant by blowing my cover...Im a full blooded Ikwerre guy, if ure interested in coming to PH to confront me, u are most welcome.

How many times would we say we force no one to join us?
Stop using that line, it makes you look stupid!

A referendum is all we call for.
Whomever wants to join is free to join us Igbos. We are open to that. We have always been clear on that.

Now stop talking trash!

JudismphD:
Evaluate the independence and ecomonic dominance in pure perspective. A typical ibo man don't need handouts from any government unlike those who serve slavemaster at the end remain jobless and redundant

The last time I checked,all the governors in the East are Okoro Igbo and stay on the queue every month to collect their stipends,cap in hands,from their slavemasters(IJAWS AND HAUSAS)...This time around,their slavemasters are the HAUSAS AND YORUBAS...maybe when Biafra becomes a reality or you become politically savvy,this your servitude might end...

waternogetemeny:
OP as it stands now, Ndiigbo will exit Nigeria alone not leaving any igbo or igbo sub-group behind.


The Non-igbos can continue tostay in Nigeria where dey are not dominated. I no do again!

You would not beleive it...I have this "friend"although very much older than I am,from the SS,he supports the Igbos in anything and everything but as much as he hates what is going on in Nigeria,he said no sane SS man would want to be caught in the same nation with the Igbos-in his words,if you give an Igboman...1..he would eventually take 2,3,4,5 and finally try to take everything...

waternogetemeny:
Honestly, nobody is forcing anything on anybody, dey can remain in Nigeria, just let us out. We will build a massive seaport in Abia and River Port in Onitsha.


Honestly, if u look closely at the map of Africa, u will find two countries in the middle of no where on South Africa. They are Swaziland and Lesotho. They are not complaining or begging to join South Africa. They are happy with their own country.


Ndiigbo dont need south south, we need peace. Every other thing falls into place wen u have peace. The enmity is too much, the evil eye is too much. They leave people that are enjoying their oil and attack us. Igbos have never harm their neighbours rather it is them that was kidnapping and selling us to the whites during slavery.


We want an igbo only country.

My man,I feel for you with these words of yours...may your igbo nation come to fruition...amen,if that is what you want...

B69U:


The Oyo Empire ran into trouble wen the yoruba men where defeated by the women's army fon of dahomey. Igbos have always been segmental rather than hierarchical. We have too many small autonomous groups that have never been unified till this day.

Hierarcical society usually have an Empire outlook. Like the Fulani Emir system all over the North. The Kingdom of Benin is an example of Hierarcical society that will attempt to dominate the whole southsouth and impose one rule under the Oba of Benin.

One thing I detest about your people is the"blatant lies"they are known for...just google it...the fon amazons were very good but they they could not stand the firepower of the considerate Warriors-Yorubas via the Great Egbas...the fon were defeated four times-you did not even fear to mention Oyo Empire...that your mouth...ehn.

pazienza:


GEJ only repeated Ironsi mistakes. Tried too hard to please people that would never like or appreciate you or your people. He is currently trying to play a Zik, a one Nigeria sympathizer, he obviously has no knowledge of the history of his people and his region. He was a beneficiary of a ND struggle for equity and resource control, but he ultimately betrayed that struggle, not just by his actions, but mainly by his inactions, what a tragedy.


Yes, the North will not tolerate Ohanaeze suggestions to save Nigeria, Fiscal policy, resource control and the rest. By their resistance to peaceful change, they will play into the hands of secessionists.

Great insight as usual. I was amused at the Northern elite version of hard ball especially during the last conference and again during the JegaJega elections. They seem to have learnt nothing and forgotten nothing. They keep handing secessionists like me our much needed ammunition.

Ritchiee:
The last time I checked,all the governors in the East are Okoro Igbo and stay on the queue every month to collect their stipends,cap in hands,from their slavemasters(IJAWS AND HAUSAS)...This time around,their slavemasters are the HAUSAS AND YORUBAS...maybe when Biafra becomes a reality or you become politically savvy,this your servitude might end...

crap, which of the South West governors never depended on oyel money? Even Lagos state with all the IGR! If you and your pple so much believe in your ability to make ways, envy for the prosperous igbo nations wouldn't have cave in. Being a slave to the north cannot change ur unfortunate situation as u move around for stipend.

HopeAtHand:


Timid?Lolzz..coming from?

With good measure, the Igbos have created the mess they find themselves..History never forgets.The 1967 coup showed the country what the Igbos had in mind but for Nigeria and the eastern minorities.

Pazienza knows that present day Igbos need to come together and decide either to be in Nigeria or create biafra.Double mindedness is bad..It shows lack of seriousness and unity of purpose...If they are for Nigeria make a bold statement and if they are for Biafra, go it alone and forget about the minorities who arent interested.

but d person who led d coup is not from Eastern Nigeria, but an Ika man from d Midwest/present day delta state...

JudismphD:
Evaluate the independence and ecomonic dominance in pure perspective. A typical ibo man don't need handouts from any government unlike those who serve slavemaster at the end remain jobless and redundant

the voice of coward,canibalisim,fouth class citizem and baby making factory

disumusa:
the voice of coward,canibalisim,fouth class citizem and baby making factory

oloshi omaale jatijati. Ayelala lo ma paa iya re. I'm making my millions idotic salamader like u depending on 5k monthly stipend. You generational woes just started. Songo lo pa baba danu, oloribu

lygn19:
but d person who led d coup is not from Eastern Nigeria, but an Ika man from d Midwest/present day delta state...

present day southsouth Nigeria.

HopeAtHand:


Im trying to paint the picture as it is.

Beacause the Igbos, collectively, haven't laid to rest the ghost of the biafran struggle after over 30yrs, many view as insincere the aspirations of any Igbo to become Nigerias president.

Igbos should give other Nigerians a reason to trust them..and if they must choose Biafra over Nigeria, its best they go it alone and leave uninterested minorities out of it..Simple

I dnt know what u meant by blowing my cover...Im a full blooded Ikwerre guy, if ure interested in coming to PH to confront me, u are most welcome.

Well, I think it's the other way round. Nigerians need to give Ndiigbo a reason to ever trust them and their one Nigerian Project.

No group has shown more interest and invested more in the Nigerian project than Ndiigbo. We have been in the business of investing in all parts of Nigeria, something other Nigerian groups don't do. And we have been on the forefront of justice equity and fairness for all Nigerian groups, including offering solutions to the Nigerian nation hood project, like Ohanaeze Ndiigbo did in that article I quoted. No other Nigerian group has offered such a well detailed solutions to the Nigerian conundrum.

pazienza:



No group has shown more interest and invested more in the Nigerian project than Ndiigbo..

And no other group has consistently called for separation from Nigeria but Ndiigbo.

Isnt that quite ironical, or rather, i call it double minded and unserious?..either way, igbos should make a decision and keep to it, because 'a double minded man is unstable in all his ways'

HopeAtHand:


And no other group has consistently called for separation from Nigeria but Ndiigbo.

Isnt that quite ironical, or rather, i call it double minded and unserious?..either way, igbos should make a decision and keep to it, because 'a double minded man is unstable in all his ways'

You are the one that is too blind to see the point I am passing across.

Ndiigbo can't have a Zoological Nigeria. It's either a workable Nigeria or no Nigeria.

That the rest of the country are quite happy with the Zoological Nigeria, does not make them patriots.

pazienza:


You are the one that is too blind to see the point I am passing across.

Ndiigbo can't have a Zoological Nigeria. It's either a workable Nigeria or no Nigeria.

That the rest of the country are quite happy with the Zoological Nigeria, does not make them patriots.

is it not part of ur blind support for GEJ dat made it into the present zoo state... if Nigeria is bad we all have to share d blame...
IT BEGINS WITH U...

B69U:


The Oyo Empire ran into trouble wen the yoruba men where defeated by the women's army fon of dahomey. Igbos have always been segmental rather than hierarchical. We have too many small autonomous groups that have never been unified till this day.

Hierarcical society usually have an Empire outlook. Like the Fulani Emir system all over the North. The Kingdom of Benin is an example of Hierarcical society that will attempt to dominate the whole southsouth and impose one rule under the Oba of Benin.

So the Yoruba ''Empire'' was defeated by Dahomi women..abi?.......Where did you learn your History ?...Have you cared to Read the Works of Samuel Johnson?...Please let us endeavour to Learn, not misinform, even when we want to promote ethnic interests.

lygn19:
is it not part of ur blind support for GEJ dat made it into the present zoo state... if Nigeria is bad we all have to share d blame...
IT BEGINS WITH U...

GEJ was and remains a better presidential material than Buhari.

Tomorrow, GEJ will hand over the baton to Buhari peacefully, giving the Zoo a chance of survival, would Buhari have done the same if the positions are reversed?

GEJ gave up his selfish ambitions to allow Nigeria's nascent democracy to thrive, Buhari was part of a gang that killed Nigeria's nascent democracy in early 80's.

You can't be comparing sleep and death, the odour from the dead is a give away.

Of course, GEJ is not the best man to lead Nigeria, but between him and Buhari, only a blind man can't see the difference.

Pazienza talks like he has major "size" issues. Ahem. . Calm down? It ain't that serious.

Lygn19 argues like a lost puppy trapped between the devil and the blue sea. Pick a side and stick to it weak-ass!

What type of G*ay ass username is HopeAtHand? I bet the moorrafooker is ugly as hell.

"Ritchiee"? Nigerian scammer alert.

Abagworo has a mistress named Xena and likes being whipped and gagged in a stank BDSM dungeon. Can anyone say masssssooooooochiiiiiiissssst!!!!! Feeeecking henpecked freak!. You like it when they humiliate you huh?

Waternogetenemy suffers from dehydration apparently (ok, ok, lame joke).

Who else did I miss?

pazienza:


GEJ was and remains a better presidential material than Buhari.

Tomorrow, GEJ will hand over the baton to Buhari peacefully, giving the Zoo a chance of survival, would Buhari have done the same if the positions are reversed?

GEJ gave up his selfish ambitions to allow Nigeria's nascent democracy to thrive, Buhari was part of a gang that killed Nigeria's nascent democracy in early 80's.

You can't be comparing sleep and death, the odour from the dead is a give away.

Of course, GEJ is not the best man to lead Nigeria, but between him and Buhari, only a blind man can't see the difference.

Buhari is a hundred times better than GEJ, he even said it with his mouth...
Look at in PH where o stay in,d moment Buhari won election, in less than one week NDDC came and started working all d abandon roads they have left since GEJ's time...
Not only dat look at NEPA der are some places in PH dat has not had light for months, a week to inauguration they came and started fixing everything...now der is light... compare there two.

lygn19:
Buhari is a hundred times better than GEJ, he even said it with his mouth...
Look at in PH where o stay in,d moment Buhari won election, in less than one week NDDC came and started working all d abandon roads they have left since GEJ's time...
Not only dat look at NEPA der are some places in PH dat has not had light for months, a week to inauguration they came and started fixing everything...now der is light... compare there two.

I don't really understand what you are talking about.

Yorubas make me laugh, they quote me but cannot offer an alternative or actual fact to the historic event, they expect me to school them on their own history. That is a joke.

totima:
Pazienza talks like he has major "size" issues. Ahem. . Calm down? It ain't that serious.

Lygn19 argues like a lost puppy trapped between the devil and the blue sea. Pick a side and stick to it weak-ass!

What type of G*ay ass username is HopeAtHand? I bet the moorrafooker is ugly as hell.

"Ritchiee"? Nigerian scammer alert.

Abagworo has a mistress named Xena and likes being whipped and gagged in a stank BDSM dungeon. Can anyone say masssssooooooochiiiiiiissssst!!!!! Feeeecking henpecked freak!. You like it when they humiliate you huh?

Waternogetenemy suffers from dehydration apparently (ok, ok, lame joke).

Who else did I miss?

I argue somethings, most ppl here talk without reasoning, I am talking because I know dz site ppl from far and wide visit it, ppl from different walks of life visit it... I ve plans and there are things that no matter how much d yorubas or other non igbos taunt me I can never say. when I say let's Go On With One Nigeria, it's not because am saying it because the marginalization and d suffering ain't reaching me, but I believe dat d fates can be changed

pazienza:


I don't really understand what you are talking about.

when Gej was in power NEPA wasn't serious, NDDC was busy abandoning projects, but d moment Buhari won NEPA got serious, they went and started fixing der transformers, NDDC came and started working roads dat they abandoned for years... compare Buhari and GEJ who is better.

lygn19:
when Gej was in power NEPA wasn't serious, NDDC was busy abandoning projects, but d moment Buhari won NEPA got serious, they went and started fixing der transformers, NDDC came and started working roads dat they abandoned for years... compare Buhari and GEJ who is better.

You mean Nigeria power generation output just increased because of Buhari?
Well, power outage issues is still same here in Enugu. Perhaps, the Buhari effect took place only in your area.

Which roads is NDDC working?

pazienza:


You mean Nigeria power generation output just increased because of Buhari?
Well, power outage issues is still same here in Enugu. Perhaps, the Buhari effect too place only in your area.

Which roads are NDDC working?

I am not saying this out of sentiments, I am a fellow Nwafor this things am telling I is facts..

pazienza:


You are the one that is too blind to see the point I am passing across.

Ndiigbo can't have a Zoological Nigeria. It's either a workable Nigeria or no Nigeria.

That the rest of the country are quite happy with the Zoological Nigeria, does not make them patriots.

Before the 1967 coup, Nigeria ran a system where each region were in control of its resources to a reasonable extent.The Igbo young gunz killed the parliamentary system and Ironsi, yet anoda Igbo, created this unified Federal system.

Now, the system which the Igbos unwittingly foisted on Nigeria is what, after 30yrs, has taken us to the roundtable to discuss, with no clear headway.

You see exactly what that rash action has brought to the people of old eastern region...That is why u shouldn't be too fast.

The igbos should atleast try to remedy the situation and not to chicken out of the federation because they is being bullied by their mates.

Looool@zoological country..well, ex-presido Jonathan was a zoologisf and his government was an Igbo government.

lygn19:
Buhari is a hundred times better than GEJ, he even said it with his mouth...
Look at in PH where o stay in,d moment Buhari won election, in less than one week NDDC came and started working all d abandon roads they have left since GEJ's time...
Not only dat look at NEPA der are some places in PH dat has not had light for months, a week to inauguration they came and started fixing everything...now der is light... compare there two.

You stay in portharcourt now? You people no dey tire.

HopeAtHand:


Before the 1967 coup, Nigeria ran a system where each region were in control of its resources to a reasonable extent.The Igbo young gunz killed the parliamentary system and Ironsi, yet anoda Igbo, created this unified Federal system.

Now, the system which the Igbos unwittingly foisted on Nigeria is what, after 30yrs, has taken us to the roundtable to discuss, with no clear headway.

You see exactly what that rash action has brought to the people of old eastern region...That is why u shouldn't be too fast.

The igbos should atleast try to remedy the situation and not to chicken out of the federation because they is being bullied by their mates.

Looool@zoological country..well, ex-presido Jonathan was a zoologisf and his government was an Igbo government.

Ironsi wasn't the one who dissolved the regions and their autonomy, he merely united the federal civil service. It was Gowon and Awo that dissolved the regions and created dysfunctional entities called states.

It wasn't the Igbo man that cancelled the 50-50 sharing formula between the owners of resources and the FG, It wasn't the Igboman that created the Land use decree that stole the resource rich lands of ND and made it bonanza party for all Nigerian groups, especially the Arewa-Odua.

But I have never seen you utter any anti Yoruba or Northern words on this forum, you remain innately Igbophobic, your veneer is wearing thin bro.

Are you sure you are not from the lands west of Ikalands, you now sound exactly like them, your veneer is wearing off fast and furious, better answer your father's name now. An anti GEJ SS commoner? It must be freezing in hell.*grins*

And oh, just like Ohanaeze is offering the Zoo an escape route, just like Ojukwu did with Aburi accord.

How exactly was GEJ government an Igbo government?

The VP, Senate president, house of rep speaker, Attorney General of the federation, were non Igbos, even GEJ is non Igbo.

GEJ didn't do anything for us(Ndiigbo) that he didn't do for the rest of the country, the only difference is that the little he did, we appreciated, cos he was the first Nigerian president after the war that carried Ndiigbo along in all aspects of governance, he didn't treat us with preference, he merely showed us equity, apparently Nigerians are used to Igbophobia, so much that any attempt to bring equity to Ndiigbo like GEJ did is frowned upon.

The very idea of GEJ government being pro Igbo is but another false propaganda that has no merit and fades away when subjected under the fire of truth.

pazienza:


Ironsi wasn't the one who dissolved the regions and their autonomy, he merely united the federal civil service. It was Gowon and Awo that dissolved the regions and created dysfunctional entities called states.

It wasn't the Igbo man that cancelled the 50-50 sharing formula between the owners of resources and the FG, It wasn't the Igboman that created the Land use decree that stole the resource rich lands of ND and made it bonanza party for all Nigerian groups, especially the Arewa-Odua.

But I have never seen you utter any anti Yoruba or Northern words on this forum, you remain innately Igbophobic, your veneer is wearing thin bro.

Are you sure you are not from the lands west of Ikalands, you now sound exactly like them, your veneer is wearing off fast and furious, better answer your father's name now. An anti GEJ SS commoner? It must be freezing in hell.*grins*

Stop wasting your time with that troll. It's not the sharpest tool in the box. It keeps repeating the same dreary crap from thread to thread. I personally don't want Ikwerre in Biafra 2.0.