Henry120:


1 Hard point more

F-35 a 5th Generation fighter also runs on C++
Better HMD
There is nothing like a better HMD, HMDs can be integrated in the JF-17. I hope you remember the term open architecture.

far Better combat range

all fighters have shorter landing distance with a drag chute.

You mor0n, the JF-17 is designed to be cost effective, that's one of it's selling points.

You pathetic barber, the DSI on the JF-17 gives it a low RCS.

8 - 8.5, quite insignificant really.

JF-17 has a low wing loading, hence it can perform that incredible vertical take off manoeuvre.



Thrust difference between the JF-17 and the Gripen is virtually insignificant. The Thunder also has the advantage of providing 10% more thrust

The JF-17 has a better combat altitude.


The JF-17 has a better look down radar


The JF-17 has an advanced HMI dummy
Ect
Ect

Why are you thinking like a potato farmer in a military thread?


Again I ask, why did Pretoria buy JF-17 thunders at $ 68 million a unit?

[Desperation intensifies]

Seeing lots of opinion and little fact here MR because-I-Say-so

And why would we buy the JF-17? We have no need for a day time interceptor... We need advanced multi-role

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JF-17 Vs Gripen

Maneuverability demonstration contest :

JF-17 proves air to air combat superiority....

As Junk Gripen fails lock-break reverse tactics of inside loop 'near' Kulbit-Frolov chakra tight diameter loop combat maneuver of the Su-30 Flanker jets !


Gripen only keeps running across the sky east to west in rat-race


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rqyJEXp440E

Compare maneuver power JF-17 video 4:05 to 4:30 minute


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nqJ5satwBYY


JF-17 kills Gripen in combat performance.

Game Over.

Case Closed
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Henry120:


Brazil would operate the Gripen NG.

The other countries you mentioned barely operate the type, and it's the Czech republic, not that cold war gibberish you are spewing.

Hungary lost 2 Gripens in one month, dummy.

Most of(80%) those Gripens are operated by Sweden and South-Africa fool.


In the same vein, Pakistan 250 units, Sri-lanka/ Burma 18-24 examples.

Fact is: 260 Gripen in the sky

Fact is: just over 100 Jf-17 ordered by pakistan

Why does no one want to pay $25 million for the JF-17?

Henry120:


Fool, we know tit bits of what the Block 2 will carry, but full specs aren't yet out.

For example : the JF-17 block 2 has a speed of Mach 2, it would come with an air re-fuelling probe, improved oxygen, counter-measures, Avionics and Radar. However it's full specifications isn't yet available.

The Block 2 performed at the Paris air show 15.

Citations desperatly required

Henry120:


If you actually understood English, you wouldn't really be asking me this question.

-Radar difference is 10km in favour of the Gripen, just slightly better than the JF-17 block 1.

- JF-17 block 1 has a range of 1350 KM, much much better than the Gripen

- speed Mach 1.8 to Mach 2 in favour of the Gripen C/D

- the JF-17 has a better radar down look detection.

- the JF-17 can carry nuclear missiles, the Gripen cannot.

- the JF-17 has 7 harpoints to the 8 on the Gripen

- the JF-17 is way more manoeuvrable than the Gripen

- the Gripen has a slightly better thrust than the JF-17.

- the G limit is 8 to 8.5 in favour of the Gripen.


If these specifications do not represent an Aircraft that is just as good as the Gripen, and provide the bang-for-the-buck, then your mental limitations not mine.


Aircrafts cost

Gripen: $68 million a unit

JF-17 : $25- 30 million a unit.

How can something that is not as good as another thing be "just as good"

Gripen is better - it is bigger, carries more weapons, has a better combat suite and still manages to be faster and more maneuverable

SAAF does not care anout "bang for tour buck" - SAAF gets the best available

Now, feel free to keep wanking over a monkey model variant of a cheap chinese copy of an F16 - a monkey model that you do not have

I love the fact that they obly way you can "critique" the SAAF is to compare it to weapons you do not have

jln115:

You were the first one that compared the landing distance of the Jf-17 without a drag chute to a Gripen with a Drag chute.

Nope, quote where I did that ! You are the one making that big m0r0nic error.

I only compared take off distances.

You did not mention the Gripen landing was with drag chute until I educated you, a barber does not know drag chute, you know hair shampoo
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agaugust:


Quote Gripen landing distance without drag chute....thief !

Does it matter?

agaugust:


Show me where DENEL tested A-Darter missile against a fellow missile

A-Darter was tested against a slow speed subsonic target drone 4 times slower than even NAF PL-9C

Defenceweb and DENEL say A-Darter range is max 19 km, I posted sources many times here.

SAAF missile range gets shorter by the day, from 25 km IRIS-T down to a 19 km overpriced missile
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Just like your arsenal gets more obsolete by the day

agaugust:


Yes :

1. A whole squadron of SAAF Gripens in cold stotage

2. A missile each per jet in SAAF

3. A team of 9 unqualified pilots for 26 jets in 15 years of SAAF training

Yes, there will be South African standard repeated ad infinitum
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1. No gripen in storage

2. Essentially unlimited missile supply due to a-darter producrion

3. 14 pilots in 2013

The fact that you need to make things up to maintain an argument shows how little of an argument you actually have

patches689:


SAAB recently released a new AESA radar for the Grip C/D

Have they? I thought they abandoned the idea due to the fact that the cooling system required for the AESA radar would mean they would have to make extensive changes to the Gripen C/D.

agaugust:




[size=20pt] $ 68 million JAS Gripen jet with weak tyres crumble !

Swedish Rip off...Junk Aircraft Systems..Junk Landing Systems


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B7aSsBw69gw

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And this... This is what?

An insult?

I dont understand what you think you are acheiving with this post?

jln115:

Junk Fighter no:17 Blunder:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u9eWwuJJbis

Hahahahahahahahahahahahhaha

agaugust:
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[size=20pt]

JF-17 Vs Gripen

Maneuverability demonstration contest :

JF-17 proves air to air combat superiority....

As Junk Gripen fails lock-break reverse tactics of inside loop 'near' Kulbit-Frolov chakra tight diameter loop combat maneuver of the Su-30 Flanker jets !


Gripen only keeps running across the sky east to west in rat-race


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rqyJEXp440E

Compare maneuver power JF-17 video 4:05 to 4:30 minute


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nqJ5satwBYY


JF-17 kills Gripen in combat performance.

Game Over.

Case Closed
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Compare your Junk Fighter to a Gripen flown by a SAAF pilot


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=thUaVt5hcA8

agaugust:
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[size=20pt]

JF-17 Vs Gripen

Maneuverability demonstration contest :

JF-17 proves air to air combat superiority....

As Junk Gripen fails lock-break reverse tactics of inside loop 'near' Kulbit-Frolov chakra tight diameter loop combat maneuver of the Su-30 Flanker jets !


Gripen only keeps running across the sky east to west in rat-race


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rqyJEXp440E

Compare maneuver power JF-17 video 4:05 to 4:30 minute


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nqJ5satwBYY


JF-17 kills Gripen in combat performance.

Game Over.

Case Closed
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Hahahah


Augustus has reverted to his 12 year old style of argument

Stats say it all

patches689:


And this... This is what?

An insult?

I dont understand what you think you are acheiving with this post?

$68 million for crumbling fire-wood landing gears, no insult, just sympathy for the buyers of Junk Gripen with spider leg landing gears
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jln115:

Junk Fighter no:17 Blunder:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u9eWwuJJbis

$15 million JF-17 Block I and $68 million Junk Aircraft Systems Gripen.....both proved equal

$68 million for feeble spider leg tyres....please call AIICO insurance company for the collapsing Gripen o !


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B7aSsBw69gw
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agaugust:


$68 million for crumbling fire-wood landing gears, no insult, just sympathy for the buyers of Junk Gripen with spider leg landing gears
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As apposed to 25 million for an aircaft you dont have and cant afford?

agaugust:


$15 million JF-17 Block I and $68 million Junk Aircraft Systems Gripen.....both proved equal

$68 million for feeble spider leg tyres....please call AIICO insurance company for Gripen o !


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B7aSsBw69gw
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Nope the Pilot of the Gripen survived, unfortunately the Pilot of the JF-17 died.

agaugust:


$15 million JF-17 Block I and $68 million Junk Aircraft Systems Gripen.....both proved equal

$68 million for feeble spider leg tyres....please call AIICO insurance company for Gripen o !


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B7aSsBw69gw
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Still not sure what you think you are doing

Its obvious WHY you are doing this: no more substantive argument = time to sh1tpost

Little boy augubug - so transparent

jln115:

Nope the Pilot of the Gripen survived, unfortunately the Pilot of the JF-17 died.

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1 and only one single JF-17 has ever crashed ! $15 million x 1 = $15 million loss only.

7 Gripen junk jets have crashed ! Seven crashes....

$68 million x 7 = about half a billion dollars wasted !

We are comparing aircraft not pilots. Some pilots choose to eject some choose to go down with aircraft. Personal choice.

The Gripen pilot has been flying the jet since when? Sweden Lion Effort exercise long ago?

The one only ever JF-17 crash was 4 years ago, the Gripen just crashed 14 days ago

That's the second Gripen crash in the past 21 days LOL....Junk Gripen now falling apart worldwide....

Gripen aircraft built to last 50 years...LOL

$68 million for Swedish Junk....

please call your nearest Insurance Broker for Junk Jet Gripen spider leg insurance cover o !

http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/06/10/hungary-gripen-idUSL5N0YW2X620150610
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agaugust:

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1 and only 1 JF-17 has ever crashed ! $15 million x 1 = $15 million loss only.

7 Gripen junk jets have crashed ! Seven crashes....$68 million x 7 = about half a billion dollars wasted !

We are comparing aircraft not pilots. Some pilots choose to eject some choose to go down with aircraft. Personal choice.

The Gripen pilot has been flying the jet since when? Sweden Lion Effort exercise long ago?

JF-17 is a newer jet entering service long after Gripen was in service.

The JF-17 crashed last time was 2011, the Gripen just crashed 14 days ago

That's the second Gripen crash in the past 21 days LOL....Junk Gripen now falling apart worldwide....Gripen aircraft built to last 50 years...LOL

$68 million for Swedish Junk....please call your nearest Insurance Broker for Gripen spider leg insurance cover o !

http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/06/10/hungary-gripen-idUSL5N0YW2X620150610
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Actually the JF-17 pilot died due to his chute failing to open, sh1tty build quality led to the death of this pilot.

2 out of the 7 crashes were during the testing stage and 5 out the 7 crashes were due to human error, and NO GRIPEN PILOT HAS EVER DIED FLYING A GRIPEN!

Lastly the Gripen made its first flight in 1989 thus the Gripen has been flying 14 more years than the JF-17, so in 14 years time we can have this same debate again!

jln115:

Actually the JF-17 pilot died due to his chute failing to open, sh1tty build quality led to the death of this pilot.

Citation needed !

PAF air force HQ did not give that detail of why pilot died, so citation needed !

Who was there to ask the dead pilot questions about his parachute? Dead men don't talk.

If a pilot tries to save the aircraft and regain flight control, then waits too late to eject, or he is on a deliberate low altitude flight near ground, his chute will NEVER fully open when he is too close to the landing surface, and the JF-17 crash on a mountain means less distance to open his chute after ejection, he is already landing foot on the mountain !

jln115:

2 out of the 7 crashes were during the testing stage and 5 out the 7 crashes were due to human error, and NO GRIPEN PILOT HAS EVER DIED FLYING A GRIPEN!

Lastly the Gripen made its first flight in 1989 thus the Gripen has been flying 14 more years than the JF-17, so in 14 years time we can have this same debate again!

7 Junk Gripen crashes, seven crashes, two in the last 21 days in an air force with pilots trained at Sweden Lion Effort !

Please get me the phone number of AIICO Insurance company, Gripen built to last 50 years if collapsing like a R.aped woman in 5 years o !

$68 million junk aircraft needs comprehensive insurance cover, call the brokers now !!!!!
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agaugust:


Citation needed !

PAF did not give that detail of why pilot died, so citation needed !




7 Junk Gripen crashes, seven crashes, two in the last 21 days in an air force with pilots trained at Sweden Lion Effort !

Please get me the phone number of AIICO Insurance company, Gripen built to last 50 years if collapsing like a R.aped woman in 5 years o !

$68 million junk aircraft needs comprehensive insurance cover, call the brokers now !!!!!
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He died because of sh1tty build quality:
http://tribune.com.pk/story/291604/paf-aircraft-crashes-in-attock/
https://www.defencetalk.com/paf-jf-17-thunder-plane-crashed-38266/

"Squadron Leader Muhammad Hussain, was killed as his parachute did not open after he bailed out of the aircraft. The pilot’s body was found about two kilometers from the site of the crash."

jln115:

He died because of sh1tty build quality:
http://tribune.com.pk/story/291604/paf-aircraft-crashes-in-attock/
https://www.defencetalk.com/paf-jf-17-thunder-plane-crashed-38266/

"Squadron Leader Muhammad Hussain, was killed as his parachute did not open after he bailed out of the aircraft. The pilot’s body was found about two kilometers from the site of the crash."

Your source is forums and blogs of peoples' private opinions.....you love junk sources.

Imagine writing project in university and quoting South African comments from Nairaland forum as sources, who will award me BSc degree ?

How will you write final year project in university by quoting blogs, talk forums, and obscure strange sources as your references in an academic project, you quote sources like a typical street salon barber !

PAF air force HQ NEVER declared reason of why pilot died to the public !

Who was there to ask the dead pilot questions about his parachute? Dead men don't talk.

If a pilot tries to save the aircraft and regain flight control, then waits too late to eject, or he is on a deliberate low altitude flight near ground, his chute will NEVER fully open when he is too close to the landing surface, and the JF-17 crash on a mountain means less distance to open his chute after ejection, he is already landing foot on the mountain !

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patches689:


Still not sure what you think you are doing

Its obvious WHY you are doing this: no more substantive argument = time to sh1tpost

Little boy augubug - so transparent

Don't blame me, brother Patrick.

Two Gripen junk jet crashes in the past 21 days due to junk aircraft parts is enough news to make me an award winning journalist

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[size=20pt]Combat maneuver palavar o !

Gripen jet attempts to do JF-17 type of maneuver but crumbles mid-air

This JAS Junk Gripen CANNOT fight o !

g load of 8.5 proved fake

Ah ! Mandela's $68 million junk jet !


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y_E0O9lnrRQ
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agaugust:


Your source is forums and blogs of peoples' private opinions.....you love junk sources.

Imagine writing project in university and quoting South African comments from Nairaland forum as sources, who will award me BSc degree ?

How will you write final year project in university by quoting blogs, talk forums, and obscure strange sources as your references in an academic project, you quote sources like a typical street salon barber !

PAF air force HQ NEVER declared reason of why pilot died to the public !

Who was there to ask the dead pilot questions about his parachute? Dead men don't talk.

If a pilot tries to save the aircraft and regain flight control, then waits too late to eject, or he is on a deliberate low altitude flight near ground, his chute will NEVER fully open when he is too close to the landing surface, and the JF-17 crash on a mountain means less distance to open his chute after ejection, he is already landing foot on the mountain !

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Are you fvcking retaarded? don't you know the difference between a blog and a news outlet? Not one of my sources was a blog or forum.

Secondly it doesnt matter what you THINK happened, the pilot is dead because he flew a sh1tty plane.

agaugust:
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[size=20pt]Combat maneuver palavar o !

Gripen jet attempts to do JF-17 type of maneuver but crumbles mid-air

This JAS Junk Gripen CANNOT fight o !

g load of 8.5 proved fake

Ah ! Mandela's $68 million junk jet !


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y_E0O9lnrRQ
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That was a test flight in 1993, the Gripen was not even in service at that time.

Maybe this video well freshen your memory of how much better the Gripen is than your Junk Fighter that you don't even have:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=thUaVt5hcA8

agaugust:


Don't blame me, brother Patrick.

Two Gripen junk jet crashes in the past 21 days due to junk aircraft parts is enough news to make me an award winning journalist

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And still no one wants the junk fighter

agaugust:
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[size=20pt]Combat maneuver palavar o !

Gripen jet attempts to do JF-17 type of maneuver but crumbles mid-air

This JAS Junk Gripen CANNOT fight o !

g load of 8.5 proved fake

Ah ! Mandela's $68 million junk jet !


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y_E0O9lnrRQ
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Post all the video you want

Facts say that the Grip is more maneuverable

jln115:

Are you fvcking retaarded? don't you know the difference between a blog and a news outlet? Not one of my sources was a blog or forum.

Secondly it doesnt matter what you THINK happened, the pilot is dead because he flew a sh1tty plane.

prove it with PAF HQ crash report or public statement, until then, your thought or claim is mere speculation.

Your source Tribune news said PAF air force HQ gave NO DETAILS and nothing about why pilot died.

So you went to the Tribune's readers forum like a blog to copy people's comments and private opinions :

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Acorn Guts
Nov 14, 2011 - 2:22PM
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It seems the pilot did not reach ground safely after a concious ejection. May Allah bless his soul and may he rest in peace.
Another Pakistani news agency has posted photos of the crash site and it certainly looks like a JF-17 and this just increases my sadness. This would be the first JF-17 that has crashed during service, not to mention the bad timing. We are trying to sell a few of these at Dubai airshow.
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Nine-Zero Karachi
Nov 14, 2011 - 3:20PM
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Now the will have to sell the JF-17 as Buy 1 and Get 1 Free !
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Your other source Defence talk also said no air force report, so he was quoting SHO....Pakistani police officer for the village

LOL....that village police man is your jet air crash/accident technical investigator and expert....LOL....No wonder you are my hair barber !
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agaugust:



prove it with PAF HQ crash report or public statement, until then, your thought or claim is mere speculation.

Your source Tribune news said PAF air force HQ gave NO DETAILS and nothing about why pilot died.

So you went to the Tribune's readers forum like a blog to copy people's comments and private opinions :

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Acorn Guts
Nov 14, 2011 - 2:22PM
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It seems the pilot did not reach ground safely after a concious ejection. May Allah bless his soul and may he rest in peace.
Another Pakistani news agency has posted photos of the crash site and it certainly looks like a JF-17 and this just increases my sadness. This would be the first JF-17 that has crashed during service, not to mention the bad timing. We are trying to sell a few of these at Dubai airshow.
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Nine-Zero Karachi
Nov 14, 2011 - 3:20PM
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Now the will have to sell the JF-17 as Buy 1 and Get 1 Free !
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Your other source Defence talk also said no air force report, so he was quoting SHO....Pakistani police officer for the village

LOL....that village police man is your jet air crash/accident technical investigator and expert....LOL....No wonder you are my hair barber !
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So you are saying that the pilot simply chose to die inside of his jet instead?