unitysheart:


Kindly pick your Bible and read the verses mentioned and then be convinced if it's heretic or not.

Which Bible, the JW's or the authorised version?

OLAADEGBU:


You accused Jesus of "Lying" and if you are also accusing me of lying that is a privilege that I will cherish. You cannot be greater than your master.

Silly man , you said enoch and elijah went to heaven , is that not a clear prove that jesus lies in john 3:13 ?

I noticed that when other christians on the thread gave their own explanation , they said those men did not go to heaven , if so. That means Jesus didnt lie .


BUT YOUR OWN LIE IS SUPERB : kindly point where bible says enoch and elijah are coming back to die ?

MizJanet:


Stupid man , a freethinker knows dead people going to heaven and hell is a MYTH . So that shows ur jesus statement in john 3:13 invalidates ur religious beliefs as pure myths and heresy. NO MAN GO TO HEAVEN . Keep deluding urselfs .


BUT YOUR OWN LIE IS SUPERB : kindly point where bible says enoch and elijah are coming back to die ?

Do not be perfidious. Repent and believe the gospel truth.

Dad: I want an explanation and I want the truth!

Mizjanet: Make up your mind, Dad. You can't have both!

OLAADEGBU:


Aren't you happy that you have now found some new friends to attack the common enemy? Repent and believe the gospel before it gets too late.

.

OLAADEGBU:


Which Bible, the JW's or the authorised version?

Who authorised any Bible version? And I think I was explicit enough when I said "Kindly pick your Bible and read the verses mentioned." If you have problem with understanding that, then my hands are down.

davien:


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Blank as usual.

unitysheart:


Who authorised any Bible version? And I think I was explicit enough when I said "Kindly pick your Bible and read the verses mentioned." If you have problem with understanding that, then my hands are down.

You suggested a link to your society and I do not take my authority from your society/organisation. The Word of God is my absolute authority.

@ OLAADEGBU

Oga! , I said mizjanet asked you a question and you have not answered her!. Is that taking sides!? Do you take sides on scriptural issues? If you do or assume others are taking sides against you, then you have very long way to go!. I only referred to mizjanet question, not mizjanet views or beliefs.



1. Ur reply tells a lot about you.
I asked you the following :U said enoch and elijah did not die, how do you explain the statement that "all have died because they have sinned" ?

You have refused to answer or give ur understanding of the statement .

My biblical reference to the statement is stated below.

ROM 5:12 :- Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned.

Did you notice the use of the word "all several times there?.

So pls answer Q1.


2. My question was :U said I twist the scriptures, did you not read Hebrews11:13? . Was apostle paul wrong in saying they all ( all the people mentioned from verse 1including enoch) Died?

You have skipped the question 2, pls answer it .

Heb 11:13 :- These all died in faith, not having received the promises, but having seen them afar off, and were persuaded of them, and embraced them, and confessed that they were
strangers and pilgrims on the
earth.


3. I asked you: U say I twist the scriptures, I want to ask you, does all reference the word heaven in the bible mean the spiritual abode of God? .

Pls answer.

Are there references to the word heaven meaning something else than the spiritual realm?

Pls answer.

If yes, how then do we
understand what that
reference mean?
You are right in agreeing with others who have said earlier that it is the context in which the word "heaven " was included that helps us to understand what that word means. So therefore, any mention of heaven does not directly mean " the spiritual realm " . So therefore you can't directly use the word heaven as used in elijahs case as a direct Defence of ur false analogy.




4. You stated thus: Elijah's prophecy was given before his translation it was only delivered after he got caught up to heaven.

Your lies has now started to grow tentacles . The scriptures never made mention of elijah being caught up to heaven . The scriptures never said elijah had any translation.
Stop trying to link elijah issue with enoch to come up with a false idea.

Elijah letter was giving to a King in isreal who ruled several years after the chariot incident. Go and read up the events of elijah and his successor elisha again, read up their activities and their conversations with those kings, read up on the chronology of those kings . Then come back and tell us if elijah wrote that letter before elisha became his successor or not. The scriptures will expose ur lies.


5. I asked you : Have you not read that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God?.

You have not answered the question


6.I asked you : In ur own words, can you explain how a human can cleans himself of his inherited sin to be able to enter into Gods holy presence for a first time.

It seems you did not read the question before jumping into "save by grace " and not save by organization statements you made.

How did they enter into Gods presence when that grace has not been given ?

They inherited sin from their parents, the bible helps us to understand that only a perfect person can redeem us from such state. Where did elijah get the perfect ransome before. Jesus gave his?




7. You are the one that needs to drop this heresy, of adding to what the scriptures did not tell ,teach or imply to you.
Where in the scriptures did it state that it was jesus that took elijah and enoch to heaven. You need to stop all this derived analogy and Stick to what the bible says.

Do you not read the bible at all . Do you not read of the importance of jesus shedding his blood before before man can be cleansed and enter into heaven?
Hebrews 10:19 - 22 :- And so, dear brothers and sisters, if we can boldly enter heaven’s Most Holy Place because of the blood of Jesus. By his death, g
Jesus opened a new and life-
giving way through the curtain
into the Most Holy Place.
And since we have a great
High Priest who rules over
God’s house, let us go right
into the presence of God with
sincere hearts fully trusting
him. For our guilty consciences have been
sprinkled with Christ’s blood to
make us clean, and our bodies
have been washed with pure
water.


If jesus has not shed his blood, how did elijah and enoch Imperfect humans enter into heaven.


8. Where was paradise when elijah and enoch went to heaven?

If paradise is now in heaven, where was it before?



9. pls can you show us where in the bible ur post on question 9 is written ?

Pls the word "spirit/soul" does it mean "spirit and soul", "spirit or soul" , "spirit with soul" or "spirit is soul".



10. Can you give us a summary of that good report.?


11. I asked : Why did Jesus die for our sins if there was another way we can be reconciled to God and enter paradise.

U said :There is no other way. The OT saints looked forward to the cross while NT saints look back at the cross for the forgiveness of their sins.

this shows you do not read ur bible.

They looked forward to the cross for forgiveness of wins yet they sacrificed animals for forgiveness of sins.

They look forward to the cross for forgiveness of sins yet you say they entered heaven when the incident that will legitimize their forgiveness has not occured . Imagine, you are granted bail before the demand for bail is met or paid.

Sir!, it was after the ransome had been paid that the issue of ascention to heaven ever came up anywhere in the scriptures, not before.!




I asked : In ur explanation of enoch and elijah, (a)when will there coming back to earth occur, before ur rapture or after ur rapture?. (b)What will happen to all those who did not go with the rapture? (c)Will there be a second rapture, will all those left behind all die or go to ur hell fire? (c)If some will later go to heaven, why where they not raptured in the first place?
You can see that my
questions and statements
where numbered, pls do not
give a muddled up reply.

You see the question where numbered from (a) to (d), you are muddling it up to cover ur fake reply . Pls reply accordingly.

jw & rc friendly to atheists like miz, and argues with Christians
shows the spirit in them.

johnw74:

jw & rc friendly to atheists like miz, and argues with Christians
shows the spirit in them.

Ur usual noise, isnt it ?

It pains that the human society still have people like you who have disable their thinking faculty.

dolphinheart:


@ OLAADEGBU

Oga! , I said mizjanet asked you a question and you have not answered her!. Is that taking sides!? Do you take sides on scriptural issues? If you do or assume others are taking sides against you, then you have very long way to go!. I only referred to mizjanet question, not mizjanet views or beliefs.



1. Ur reply tells a lot about you.
I asked you the following :U said enoch and elijah did not die, how do you explain the statement that "all have died because they have sinned" ?

You have refused to answer or give ur understanding of the statement .

My biblical reference to the statement is stated below.

ROM 5:12 :- Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned.

Did you notice the use of the word "all several times there?.

So pls answer Q1.

Does the use of the word "all" include Jesus?

dolphinheart:


2. My question was :U said I twist the scriptures, did you not read Hebrews11:13? . Was apostle paul wrong in saying they all ( all the people mentioned from verse 1including enoch) Died?

You have skipped the question 2, pls answer it .

Heb 11:13 :- These all died in faith, not having received the promises, but having seen them afar off, and were persuaded of them, and embraced them, and confessed that they were
strangers and pilgrims on the
earth.

All died except Enoch.

dolphinheart:


3. I asked you: U say I twist the scriptures, I want to ask you, does all reference the word heaven in the bible mean the spiritual abode of God? .

Pls answer.

Are there references to the word heaven meaning something else than the spiritual realm?

Pls answer.

If yes, how then do we
understand what that
reference mean?
You are right in agreeing with others who have said earlier that it is the context in which the word "heaven " was included that helps us to understand what that word means. So therefore, any mention of heaven does not directly mean " the spiritual realm " . So therefore you can't directly use the word heaven as used in elijahs case as a direct Defence of ur false analogy.

If not the spiritual realm where else could he have gone, could he be hanging in the sky or dumped on another planet?

dolphinheart:


4. You stated thus: Elijah's prophecy was given before his translation it was only delivered after he got caught up to heaven.

Your lies has now started to grow tentacles . The scriptures never made mention of elijah being caught up to heaven . The scriptures never said elijah had any translation.
Stop trying to link elijah issue with enoch to come up with a false idea.

Elijah letter was giving to a King in isreal who ruled several years after the chariot incident. Go and read up the events of elijah and his successor elisha again, read up their activities and their conversations with those kings, read up on the chronology of those kings . Then come back and tell us if elijah wrote that letter before elisha became his successor or not. The scriptures will expose ur lies.

The scriptures said he was taken to heaven, end of story.

dolphinheart:


5. I asked you : Have you not read that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God?.

You have not answered the question

Yes, flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God and that is the reason you have to be born again.

dolphinheart:


6.I asked you : In ur own words, can you explain how a human can cleans himself of his inherited sin to be able to enter into Gods holy presence for a first time.

It seems you did not read the question before jumping into "save by grace " and not save by organization statements you made.

How did they enter into Gods presence when that grace has not been given ?

They inherited sin from their parents, the bible helps us to understand that only a perfect person can redeem us from such state. Where did elijah get the perfect ransome before. Jesus gave his?

Get an afterlife and become part of the next batch that gets raptured, that's if you are not dead by then.

dolphinheart:


7. You are the one that needs to drop this heresy, of adding to what the scriptures did not tell ,teach or imply to you.
Where in the scriptures did it state that it was jesus that took elijah and enoch to heaven. You need to stop all this derived analogy and Stick to what the bible says.

Do you not read the bible at all . Do you not read of the importance of jesus shedding his blood before before man can be cleansed and enter into heaven?
Hebrews 10:19 - 22 :- And so, dear brothers and sisters, if we can boldly enter heaven’s Most Holy Place because of the blood of Jesus. By his death, g
Jesus opened a new and life-
giving way through the curtain
into the Most Holy Place.
And since we have a great
High Priest who rules over
God’s house, let us go right
into the presence of God with
sincere hearts fully trusting
him. For our guilty consciences have been
sprinkled with Christ’s blood to
make us clean, and our bodies
have been washed with pure
water.


If jesus has not shed his blood, how did elijah and enoch Imperfect humans enter into heaven.

Have you not heard of I.O.U.'s? How can someone spend cash they did not have?

dolphinheart:


8. Where was paradise when elijah and enoch went to heaven?

If paradise is now in heaven, where was it before?

Read Luke 16:22

dolphinheart:


9. pls can you show us where in the bible ur post on question 9 is written ?

Pls the word "spirit/soul" does it mean "spirit and soul", "spirit or soul" , "spirit with soul" or "spirit is soul".

Get a proper Bible and read 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18; 1 Corinthians 15:50-54 for the resurrection and rapture of the saints.

I meant spirit and soul. See 1 Thessalonians 5:23

dolphinheart:


10. Can you give us a summary of that good report.?

They pleased God because without faith it is impossible to please Him.

dolphinheart:


11. I asked : Why did Jesus die for our sins if there was another way we can be reconciled to God and enter paradise.

U said :There is no other way. The OT saints looked forward to the cross while NT saints look back at the cross for the forgiveness of their sins.

this shows you do not read ur bible.

They looked forward to the cross for forgiveness of wins yet they sacrificed animals for forgiveness of sins.

They look forward to the cross for forgiveness of sins yet you say they entered heaven when the incident that will legitimize their forgiveness has not occured . Imagine, you are granted bail before the demand for bail is met or paid.

Sir!, it was after the ransome had been paid that the issue of ascention to heaven ever came up anywhere in the scriptures, not before.!

Can you imagine yourself spending cash you do not have, is it possible? The shedding of the blood of lambs was a shadow or type of the real thing to come, the blood of Jesus Christ, the Lamb of God. They shed the blood of animals in the anticipation of the blood of the Lamb of God who taketh away the sins of the whole world.

dolphinheart:


I asked : In ur explanation of enoch and elijah, (a)when will there coming back to earth occur, before ur rapture or after ur rapture?. (b)What will happen to all those who did not go with the rapture? (c)Will there be a second rapture, will all those left behind all die or go to ur hell fire? (c)If some will later go to heaven, why where they not raptured in the first place?
You can see that my
questions and statements
where numbered, pls do not
give a muddled up reply.

You see the question where numbered from (a) to (d), you are muddling it up to cover ur fake reply . Pls reply accordingly.

I answer you as I deem fit until you learn to respond in the conventional way. Until you do the necessary arrangements check out the verses I quoted above for your answers.

MizJanet:

Ur usual noise, isnt it ?

It pains that the human society still have people like you who have disable their thinking faculty.

Truth hurts you doesn't it

johnw74:


Truth hurts you doesn't it

WHICH Truth ? , am suprised this is coming from someone who cant counter any of my threads .

johnw74:


Truth hurts you doesn't it

WHICH Truth ? , am suprised this is coming from someone who cant counter any of my points .

MizJanet:


WHICH Truth ? , am suprised this is coming from someone who cant counter any of my threads .

@bold, the truth that you replied to, boy you dumb

johnw74:

jw & rc friendly to atheists like miz, and argues with Christians
shows the spirit in them.

johnw74:


@bold, the truth that you replied to, boy you dumb

Of course boy, u dumb . we girls aint dumb like you .

I quote this for reference @ bold , before u accuse others of badmouth . Always remember you are worst than them .

OLAADEGBU:


Does the use of the word "all" include Jesus?



All died except Enoch.



If not the spiritual realm where else could he have gone, could he be hanging in the sky or dumped on another planet?



The scriptures said he was taken to heaven, end of story.



Yes, flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God and that is the reason you have to be born again.



Get an afterlife and become part of the next batch that gets raptured, that's if you are not dead by then.



Have you not heard of I.O.U.'s? How can someone spend cash they did not have?



Read Luke 16:22



Get a proper Bible and read 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18; 1 Corinthians 15:50-54 for the resurrection and rapture of the saints.

I meant spirit and soul. See 1 Thessalonians 5:23



They pleased God because without faith it is impossible to please Him.



Can you imagine yourself spending cash you do not have, is it possible? The shedding of the blood of lambs was a shadow or type of the real thing to come, the blood of Jesus Christ, the Lamb of God. They shed the blood of animals in the anticipation of the blood of the Lamb of God who taketh away the sins of the whole world.



I answer you as I deem fit until you learn to respond in the conventional way. Until you do the necessary arrangements check out the verses I quoted above for your answers.

You have just shown us that it is either you have a vague understanding of what you are talking about or you now know that answering those questions one by one and truthfully will only expose ur fine tuned lies.

You have decided to muddle it up so that ur lies will not be easy to discern and then add some bible verses to make people feel u are truthful.

I have thus concluded that your refusal to answer those questions in a truthful , simple , straightforward manner has shown that ur explanation on elijah and enoch is false, full of holes, unscriptural .

U asked me if the "all " includes jesus. These question shows you did not read the verse or u read it but did not understand or you are just trying to create a diversion. Did you not read the first part of that verse? Do you not understand the chronology therein.
If you are not through that man, then all other aspect do not apply to you. But if you are through that Man, sin is in you.
Read romans 3:20-25 to get a better understanding.

Enoch is included in the "all" mentioned in heb 11:13 . Any exclusion is done by you and not the scriptures.


I asked you question on "heaven" which you refused to answer.
If elijah did not go to the spirit realm, then he definitely went to the other places that the scriptures has used heaven to describe . There is irrevocable evidence that he was still active on earth after the chariot had taken him away .

Ill shed more light on the scriptures you posted in my next post, those scriptures negates ur lies.

I will not go into ur mumble jumble reply , but I will say this.
Animal blood or their own blood could not have redeemed enoch and elijah and giving them the opportunity to enter gods presence. The scripture makes it clear that it is through jesus shed blood and name that man can enter heaven. To cannot spend money that you have not been giving or that is not already yours, doing so is called stealing !



You refuse to answer the question on the location of paradise during enoch and elijahs time because you know that doing so will show ur lies to the whole world in full colour .
You refuse to answer my question on rapture because you know that doing so will call into question all ur other lies.

dolphinheart:


You have just shown us that it is either you have a vague understanding of what you are talking about or you now know that answering those questions one by one and truthfully will only expose ur fine tuned lies.

You have decided to muddle it up so that ur lies will not be easy to discern and then add some bible verses to make people feel u are truthful.

I have thus concluded that your refusal to answer those questions in a truthful , simple , straightforward manner has shown that ur explanation on elijah and enoch is false, full of holes, unscriptural .

U asked me if the "all " includes jesus. These question shows you did not read the verse or u read it but did not understand or you are just trying to create a diversion. Did you not read the first part of that verse? Do you not understand the chronology therein.
If you are not through that man, then all other aspect do not apply to you. But if you are through that Man, sin is in you.
Read romans 3:20-25 to get a better understanding.

Enoch is included in the "all" mentioned in heb 11:13 . Any exclusion is done by you and not the scriptures.

Quit the flabber jabber! Jesus did not sin neither did Enoch die, simples.

dolphinheart:


I asked you question on "heaven" which you refused to answer.
If elijah did not go to the spirit realm, then he definitely went to the other places that the scriptures has used heaven to describe . There is irrevocable evidence that he was still active on earth after the chariot had taken him away .

Where on earth was he taken to that the scripture described as heaven?

dolphinheart:


Ill shed more light on the scriptures you posted in my next post, those scriptures negates ur lies.

Don't bother to spam this thread with more of your mumbo jumbo if you cannot give a laconic statement on what you learnt from those verses.

dolphinheart:


I will not go into ur mumble jumble reply , but I will say this.
Animal blood or their own blood could not have redeemed enoch and elijah and giving them the opportunity to enter gods presence. The scripture makes it clear that it is through jesus shed blood and name that man can enter heaven. To cannot spend money that you have not been giving or that is not already yours, doing so is called stealing !

Don't be nescient. Simple book keeping and accounting terms will give you an understanding of loans and I.O.U. notes. Ignorance is not an excuse.

dolphinheart:


You refuse to answer the question on the location of paradise during enoch and elijahs time because you know that doing so will show ur lies to the whole world in full colour .
You refuse to answer my question on rapture because you know that doing so will call into question all ur other lies.

Did you read Luke 16:22? Don't expect me to spoon feed you again, it ain't happening. Winston Churchill rightly stated that "A lie gets half way round the world, before the truth has a chance to get its pants on." No matter how far your lies have travelled the truth will certainly catch up and overtake it.

MizJanet:


Of course boy, u dumb . we girls aint dumb like you .

I quote this for reference @ bold , before u accuse others of badmouth . Always remember you are worst than them .

But it's the truth, you are dumb, it shows in much of what you say.
The truth hurts you I know, but to bad, you are habitually rude to Christians.
My harsh truth is nothing compared to eternal fire.

You give plenty and you cannot take a little - weak.

johnw74:


But it's the truth, you are dumb, it shows in much of what you say.
The truth hurts you I know, but to bad, you are habitually rude to Christians.
My harsh truth is nothing compared to eternal fire.

You give plenty and you cannot take a little - weak.

Question: churchman, explain Psalm 90:2 "Mountains were brought forth" does it mean mountains are born like a woman or it mean they are CREATED

Churchman : lol, it mean they are created

Question : that proved Jesus was created too since he was also "brought forth " proverb 8:24

Churchman: hmmm


*truth hurts* just admit it

MizJanet:




Question: churchman, explain Psalm 90:2 "Mountains were brought forth" does it mean mountains are born like a woman or it mean they are CREATED

Churchman : lol, it mean they are created

Question : that proved Jesus was created too since he was also "brought forth " proverb 8:24

Churchman: hmmm


*truth hurts* just admit it

You lie, that would not be my answer
and me wouldn't go against Jesus in throwing pearls before the dog's and swine
you know that

johnw74:


You lie, that would not be my answer
and me wouldn't go against Jesus in throwing pearls before the dog's and swine
you know that

So , what will be your answer to psalm 90:2 mountains were BROUGHT FORTH ? That ur god is a woman who born them or that they were created . Waiting ...


* If paul was a religiotard like you , he wont have spoke with the greek philosophers in anthens, greece , i guess he is casting pearls before swine and disobeying Jesus, ryt ? Lol, your problem is that you are fully aware that any attempt to explain Psalm 90:2 and proverb 8:24 will expose you in a seconds .*

@ OLAADEGBU
You posted some scriptures let's examine them

1 Thessalonians 4:13-18; :- And now, dear brothers and sisters, we want you to know what will happen to the
believers who have died so
you will not grieve like people
who have no hope. 14 For
since we believe that Jesus
died and was raised to life
again, we also believe that
when Jesus returns, God will
bring back with him the
believers who have died.
15 We tell you this directly
from the Lord: We who are still
living when the Lord returns
will not meet him ahead of
those who have died. g 16 For
the Lord himself will come
down from heaven with a
commanding shout, with the
voice of the archangel, and
with the trumpet call of God.
First, the Christians who have
died h will rise from their
graves. 17 Then, together with
them, we who are still alive
and remain on the earth will be
caught up in the clouds to
meet the Lord in the air. Then
we will be with the Lord
forever. 18 So encourage each
other with these words.

What do we learn from these .
First ur notion of spirit/soul joining with flesh is not written here. So the general notion that jesus took some people to heaven at his ressurection is false.
We learn from verse 14 that "God will" and not "God has" done this ressurection as at the time this scripture was written.
Verse 15 to 18 gives us a time frame and procedure for these ressurection and ascension to heaven .

Note, those verses talked about those who are dead and who are alive. This brings the question, (a)where are those who died in faith before these ressurection occurs?
(b)After the event occurs, would there still be people alive on earth?(c) What will be there eventual outcome.?(d) Is that resurrection the only resurrection ?I will like you to try and answer those questions.


Corinthians 15:50-54 :- 50 What I am saying, dear
brothers and sisters, is that
our physical bodies cannot
inherit the Kingdom of God.
These dying bodies cannot
inherit what will last forever.
51 But let me reveal to you a
wonderful secret. We will not
all die, but we will all be
transformed! 52 It will happen
in a moment, in the blink of an
eye, when the last trumpet is
blown. For when the trumpet
sounds, those who have died
will be raised to live forever.
And we who are living will also
be transformed. 53 For our
dying bodies must be
transformed into bodies that
will never die; our mortal
bodies must be transformed
into immortal bodies.


What do we learn from here.
We also did not see any mention of joining of our body with our soul here.

In verse 50 , a statement was made , our physical bodies cannot inherit the kingdom of God. Some other translations use "flesh and blood" . This statement throws out ur false view on ressurection , ur statements that our soul will join with our body and go to heaven, for such type of body , perfect or imperfect cannot enter heaven.
(f)So what type of body will people who go to heaven have ? 1 peter 3:18 , 1 cor 15:35- 35 , 1 cor 15: 44 helps us to answer that question . It is a spiritual body giving by God and not a physical flesh and bone that you lies is talking about.

Now the question comes again,(g) what happens after these things occur, (h)what will be the fate of those left on earth ?
(I)Is there any other ressurection after the resurrection mentioned in these scriptures?(j) If yes, who will they be,why where they not part of the initial resurrection.(k) And if they are ressurected, where does the bible say they will go?

1 Thessalonians 5:23 :-
Now may the God of peace
make you holy in every way,
and may your whole spirit and
soul and body be kept
blameless until our Lord Jesus
Christ comes again.

This scripture did not say they will join back at ressurection, it did not even state they will be seperated at death, I wonder where you got ur analogy from. Have you not read what the bible said will happen at someones death? His spirit goes out, he goes back to the ground on that day, his thoughts do perish.!
(l) what does the bible says happens to mans spirit at death , (m) Wht does the bible says happens to souls at death, (n) what does the bible say happens to human bodies at death?
If you want to answer pls dnt reply with the "soul/ spirit" again, use the word "soul and spirit", 'the one you said it means so that ur lies can be manifest !

MizJanet:

So , what will be your answer to psalm 90:2 mountains were BROUGHT FORTH ? That ur god is a woman who born them or that they were created . Waiting ...

You are so dumb, you think you can make me cast pearls before mizpiggy
Mat_7:6 Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine ....

* If paul was a religiotard like you , he wont have spoke with the greek philosophers in anthens, greece , i guess he is casting pearls before swine and disobeying Jesus, ryt ?

You are wrong yet again, many loved Paul's teachings in Athens, they were not all antichrists as you are antichrist.

Lol, your problem is that you are fully aware that any attempt to explain Psalm 90:2 and proverb 8:24 will expose you in a seconds .*

You are so dumb you think you can shame me into casting pearls before mizpiggy.

OLAADEGBU:


You suggested a link to your society and I do not take my authority from your society/organisation. The Word of God is my absolute authority.

You are a dreamer oga. You are a dreamer. Even your Bible agrees with the verses I asked you to check. But, u know you won't want to read it because it negates your thinking about the whole idea.

God bless you my brother. He won't want to agree. Just watch out what his response will be next. They just focus on one part of the Bible and disregard others just because it negates their idea.

dolphinheart:
@ OLAADEGBU
You posted some scriptures let's examine them

1 Thessalonians 4:13-18; :- And now, dear brothers and sisters, we want you to know what will happen to the
believers who have died so
you will not grieve like people
who have no hope. 14 For
since we believe that Jesus
died and was raised to life
again, we also believe that
when Jesus returns, God will
bring back with him the
believers who have died.
15 We tell you this directly
from the Lord: We who are still
living when the Lord returns
will not meet him ahead of
those who have died. g 16 For
the Lord himself will come
down from heaven with a
commanding shout, with the
voice of the archangel, and
with the trumpet call of God.
First, the Christians who have
died h will rise from their
graves. 17 Then, together with
them, we who are still alive
and remain on the earth will be
caught up in the clouds to
meet the Lord in the air. Then
we will be with the Lord
forever. 18 So encourage each
other with these words.

What do we learn from these .
First ur notion of spirit/soul joining with flesh is not written here. So the general notion that jesus took some people to heaven at his ressurection is false.
We learn from verse 14 that "God will" and not "God has" done this ressurection as at the time this scripture was written.
Verse 15 to 18 gives us a time frame and procedure for these ressurection and ascension to heaven .

Note, those verses talked about those who are dead and who are alive. This brings the question, (a)where are those who died in faith before these ressurection occurs?
(b)After the event occurs, would there still be people alive on earth?(c) What will be there eventual outcome.?(d) Is that resurrection the only resurrection ?I will like you to try and answer those questions.


Corinthians 15:50-54 :- 50 What I am saying, dear
brothers and sisters, is that
our physical bodies cannot
inherit the Kingdom of God.
These dying bodies cannot
inherit what will last forever.
51 But let me reveal to you a
wonderful secret. We will not
all die, but we will all be
transformed! 52 It will happen
in a moment, in the blink of an
eye, when the last trumpet is
blown. For when the trumpet
sounds, those who have died
will be raised to live forever.
And we who are living will also
be transformed. 53 For our
dying bodies must be
transformed into bodies that
will never die; our mortal
bodies must be transformed
into immortal bodies.


What do we learn from here.
We also did not see any mention of joining of our body with our soul here.

In verse 50 , a statement was made , our physical bodies cannot inherit the kingdom of God. Some other translations use "flesh and blood" . This statement throws out ur false view on ressurection , ur statements that our soul will join with our body and go to heaven, for such type of body , perfect or imperfect cannot enter heaven.
(f)So what type of body will people who go to heaven have ? 1 peter 3:18 , 1 cor 15:35- 35 , 1 cor 15: 44 helps us to answer that question . It is a spiritual body giving by God and not a physical flesh and bone that you lies is talking about.

Now the question comes again,(g) what happens after these things occur, (h)what will be the fate of those left on earth ?
(I)Is there any other ressurection after the resurrection mentioned in these scriptures?(j) If yes, who will they be,why where they not part of the initial resurrection.(k) And if they are ressurected, where does the bible say they will go?

1 Thessalonians 5:23 :-
Now may the God of peace
make you holy in every way,
and may your whole spirit and
soul and body be kept
blameless until our Lord Jesus
Christ comes again.

This scripture did not say they will join back at ressurection, it did not even state they will be seperated at death, I wonder where you got ur analogy from. Have you not read what the bible said will happen at someones death? His spirit goes out, he goes back to the ground on that day, his thoughts do perish.!
(l) what does the bible says happens to mans spirit at death , (m) Wht does the bible says happens to souls at death, (n) what does the bible say happens to human bodies at death?
If you want to answer pls dnt reply with the "soul/ spirit" again, use the word "soul and spirit", 'the one you said it means so that ur lies can be manifest !

MizJanet:




Question: churchman, explain Psalm 90:2 "Mountains were brought forth" does it mean mountains are born like a woman or it mean they are CREATED

Churchman : lol, it mean they are created

Question : that proved Jesus was created too since he was also "brought forth " proverb 8:24

Churchman: hmmm


*truth hurts* just admit it

Of course he was created. He is known as the first of all creatures!

johnw74:


You are so dumb, you think you can make me cast pearls before mizpiggy
Mat_7:6 Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine ....




You are wrong yet again, many loved Paul's teachings in Athens, they were not all antichrists as you are antichrist.




You are so dumb you think you can shame me into casting pearls before mizpiggy.

Lollllsss , but you could cast pearls before swine by explaining a bible verse to me sayin " fool in that verse refers to male and female" . U could explain that , ryt ? but explaing proverb 8:24 no, no , . No . Lol But Deep down within you, u can guess what that verse means . That is very very very very very goood .



* there must be something special about that verse , which keeps u runnin from explaining it. Dont worry , i will continue to corner you with that verse anytime , anyday . *

MizJanet:


Lollllsss , but you could cast pearls before swine by explaining a bible verse to me sayin " fool in that verse refers to male and female" . U could explain that , ryt ? but explaing proverb 8:24 no, no , . No . Lol But Deep down within you, u can guess what that verse means . That is very very very very very goood .

"fool in that verse refers to male and female".......is no pearl just common sense which you didn't have to understand it.

* there must be something special about that verse , which keeps u runnin from explaining it. Dont worry , i will continue to corner you with that verse anytime , anyday . *

there is something very special about it, a pearl of great value which you will never have.

johnw74:


"fool in that verse refers to male and female".......is no pearl just common sense which you didn't have to understand it.

there is something very special about it, a pearl of great value which you will never have.

If your commonsense is working , you will have known that proverb 8:24 declares jesus as CREATED .

unitysheart:

Of course he was created. He is known as the first of all creatures!

Thanks brother .

johnw74:


You are so dumb, you think you can make me cast pearls before mizpiggy
Mat_7:6 Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine ....




You are wrong yet again, many loved Paul's teachings in Athens, they were not all antichrists as you are antichrist.




You are so dumb you think you can shame me into casting pearls before mizpiggy.

^^
Brother, whats the big deal in psalm 90:2 and proverb 8:24 that you cant explain , honestly, You dont need all this emotional outburst , a christian should be calm in all situations . This is too harsh and not Christlike