neocortex:


Note , I am not trying to disprove your believe because it is none of my business, but I have to answer
you.

Matthew 13:55-56 "Is not this the carpenter's son? Is not His mother called Mary, and His brothers, James and Joseph and Simon and Judas? 56 "And His sisters, are they not all with us? Where then did this man get all these things?" 57 And they took offense at Him. But Jesus said to them, "A prophet is not without honor except in his home town, and in his own household."

Mark 6:3 "Is not this the carpenter, the son of Mary, and brother of James, and Joses, and Judas, and Simon? Are not His sisters here with us?" And they took offense at Him. 4 And Jesus said to them, "A prophet is not without honor except in his home town and among his own relatives and in his own household.

Compare This:

John Matt. 27:56. "Among which was Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James and Joses, and the mother of Zebedee's children".

Matt 27: 61 "And there was Mary Magdalene, and the other Mary, sitting over against the sepulchre"

With This

John 19:25 Now there stood by the cross of Jesus his mother, and his mother's sister, Mary the wife of Cleophas, and Mary Magdalene

Just look at the bold in red.

witnezHD:
Catholics worship that ho.....

thunder will strike you for calling the mother of Christ a ho.. I dont know your religion, if you are a muslim i reserve my coment but if you are christian then you birth is by mistake bcause honouring of Mary by Catholics is more honourable than the worshiping of your so call G.O

Tallesty1:
What makes one a catholic?


Following their teachings blindly

And not "following their teachings blindly" does make you a Catholic?
Hmmm broder tallesty, you should be the one answering that question. You first qualified yourself as a Catholic.

Christianity has some element of sexism

1. Only acknowledges tge Father and the son.
Z. Catholics unwilling to ordain females ss priests.

Where there is a son there must be a mother and a father. The Holy Spirit is really the mother. It is the the feminine part of the spiritual. The son arose out of that union. This Mother is not Mary, the earthly mother of Jesus, but one may use her, Jesus and God to teach symbolicaly the three parts of the Divinity. Earthly Jesus is different from Christ or Christos, the Son in the Divinity.

honourhim:
Luke 11:27 And it came to pass, as he spake these things, a certain woman of the company lifted up her voice, and said unto him, Blessed is the womb that bare thee, and the paps which thou hast sucked. 28 [b][/b]But he said, Yea rather, blessed are they that hear the word of God, and keep it.

We can see in the scripture above that Christ didnt give support to the slightest worship of his mother yet people wont hear.

Do not quote the scripture out of context or mis interprete the scriptures just because you hate Mary. Now look at that passage again lk11vs27 a woman blesses the Mother of Jesus and Jesus said rather blessed is the one who hears the word of God and keep it. Now go to Lk1vs42-45 and see where the Holy spirit blessed The Virgin Mary through the mouth of St Elizabeth and in verse 45 she clearly stated and i quote:"HOW HAPPY ARE YOU TO BELIEVE THAT THE LORD'S MESSAGE TO YOU WILL COME TRUE!" Here the scriptures tells us that Mary heard the word of God and believed it and kept it. So in Lk11vs27 Jesus is rather saying, "You blessed my mother for giving birth to me but She is rather more blessed because she heard my word in Lk1vs45 and kept it. So don't open your mouth and say things you are not clear of.

Tallesty1:
I personally don't say that prayer, though I am catholic.

Hmmmm... u r a bench-warmer....
U just go to church. U beta sit at home and play games instead of taking up the sit of someone serious who is sitting outside.

Go to cathecism! No! Instead u go and play ncho for akpos house.

Some bible translations say "Yea, even more blessed are they that heed the word of God and keep it." In other words he is not saying you should not bless Mary, he is saying that it is meaningless if you simply bless her and yet not keep God's words. Which means honoring of Mary is fine, but God is the the focus. Which is why we worship God and honor/respect Mary.
Secondly, remember in Luke 2:19, where Mary was said to have heard the word of God and pondered it in her heart. With that you can deduce that Mary is not just blessed because she nurtured Jesus, she is also blessed because she keeps the word of God .
Unfortunately these people read the bible in contraptions, if not they would have realized that God honored Mary first, after which Elizabeth being filled with the Holy Spirit from Mary's mere greetings declared her Blessed amongst women. Mary then prophesied that from that day forward, every generation shall call her Blessed. So the woman that Blessed Mary during Jesus' sermon was merely fulfilling the prophecy by calling Mary blessed. End of story.

eyenibibio:

There were no apostles in the old testament. The apostles were anionted disciples of Jesus. All what we need to knw is recorded in the bible. Anyone going contrary is going to be misled by the doctrines of men.

Mr man substantiate your point. The bible as you have it became one book not earlier than 330AD. What was the Catholic church using in propagating and preaching Christianity before then? Stop making baseless claims, where does the bible claim that everything you need to know is inside it. Yet st. Paul told the thesselonians to "Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle. 2Thess 2:15.

nerilove:
you are such a ablock head. Pple like come to social media blabbing rubbish all in the name to prove a point. Did catholics tell u they worship her? Why did catholics mention the woman angel gabriel visited prior to her pregnancy? Why saying what u don't know. If u are u christian why do u use/wear cross or other images in ur church

Your post is a silly one.

Firstly, we don't use crosses, images, handkerchiefs etc. in my church.

Secondly, I definitely know more about catholism than you do.

God's judgement is coming on Catholics in good time because of their false worship and spiritual idolatry.

I don't expect you to understand, of course.

An2elect2:


You see why we call the one who has no beginning ( and ending), God. Who befits that title? and what should He be like? if i may ask.

That's exactly my point , the terms "nowhere or nothing" is just a matter of semantics.
Most of us instead of admitting that we don't know "how" things came about we tend to
interprete "how" to mean "what brings about things".

You might believe that we were created , but I am sure you don't know " how" .
So if someone tries to explain the "how" based on some assumption I see no
reason why you should vehemently reject it.

And the idea of "something" coming from "nothing" still exist on a smaller scale in the universe
as seen in the birth of stars from void.

Syncan:


Matt. 26:44 "And he left them, and went away again, and prayed the third time, saying the same words". Did you see that Jesus spent his time in the Garden saying same thing? Yet you have the audacity to tell Jesus that "Prayer isn't reciting same thing over and over again". Ok, make I just dey observe you.

plz note. Verse 36 - 40 indicate that Jesus prayed 3 times @3 different times. He didn't recite while praying but prayed about same thing diff 3 times

Kalatium:
This has always been the case.This was one of the reason Protestant broke out from Catholics. Mary should not even be honoured because Jesus never gave that authority.

If to u "HONOUR" is d same as "worship", then is exodus 20 vs 12 ryt or wrong?!..... i think d bone of contention here is nt been able to define both..
N.B: i'm nt a catholic thou,jez my own perspective of d issue

nerilove:
if u are a catholic, u won't argue like that. If u are a catholic u honour Mary Mother of Jesus. Catholic church Is the most respected church, believe that or holdur peace. The church is not begging u to join. More than enuf are members

Do You Know Why?

donefezy:


plz note. Verse 36 - 40 indicate that Jesus prayed 3 times @3 different times. He didn't do recite while praying but prayed about same thing 3 times

Mr Man, Did the bible tell you what Jesus prayed? Yes. Jesus spent a whole length of time praying, the bible simply tells us he was saying same thing. If you like expunge it from your own.

neocortex:


Note , I am not trying to disprove your believe because it is none of my business, but I have to answer
you.

Matthew 13:55-56 "Is not this the carpenter's son? Is not His mother called Mary, and His brothers, James and Joseph and Simon and Judas? 56 "And His sisters, are they not all with us? Where then did this man get all these things?" 57 And they took offense at Him. But Jesus said to them, "A prophet is not without honor except in his home town, and in his own household."


Mark 6:3 "Is not this the carpenter, the son of Mary, and brother of James, and Joses, and Judas, and Simon? Are not His sisters here with us?" And they took offense at Him. 4 And Jesus said to them, "A prophet is not without honor except in his home town and among his own relatives and in his own household.

Here is a more subtle proof.

In the book of mathew

1:22 This all happened so that what was spoken by the Lord through the prophet would be fulfilled: 1:23 “Look! The virgin will conceive and bear a son, and they will call him Emmanuel,” which
means “God with us.” 1:24 When Joseph awoke from sleep he did what the angel of the Lord told him. He took his wife, 1:25 but did not have marital relations with her until she gave birth to a son, whom he called Jesus.

1:25 told us that Joseph had marital relationship with Mary after the birth of Jesus.

Brother When trying to understand these verses, note that the term "brother" (Greek: adelphos ) has a wide meaning in the Bible. It is not restricted to
the literal meaning of a full brother or half-
brother as potray by our modern defination of same father or mother. The same goes for "sister" ( adelphe ) and the plural form "brothers" ( adelphoi ).
The Old Testament shows that "brother" had a wide semantic range of meaning and could refer to any male relative from whom you are not
descended (male relatives from whom you are
descended are known as "fathers" and who are
not descended from you (your male descendants,
regardless of the number of generations
removed, are your "sons", as well as kinsmen
such as cousins, those who are members of the
family by marriage or by law rather than by
blood, and even friends or mere political allies (2
Sam. 1:26; Amos 1:9).

Lot, for example, is called Abraham’s
"brother" (Gen. 14:14), even though, being the
son of Haran, Abraham’s brother (Gen. 11:26–
28), he was actually Abraham’s nephew.
Similarly, Jacob is called the "brother" of his
uncle Laban (Gen. 29:15). Kish and Eleazar were
the sons of Mahli. Kish had sons of his own, but
Eleazar had no sons, only daughters, who
married their "brethren," the sons of Kish. These
"brethren" were really their cousins (1 Chr.
23:21–22).

The terms "brothers," "brother," and "sister" did
not refer only to close relatives. Sometimes they
meant kinsmen (Deut. 23:7; Neh. 5:7; Jer. 34:9),
as in the reference to the forty-two "brethren" of
King Azariah (2 Kgs. 10:13–14)

Mary neva has any other child n thus Jesus has no Brothers or sisters as potray by sum pastors through their myopic sight of scriptural knowledge.

Proud Catholic!!!

ugowell:
Some bible translations say "Yea, even more blessed are they that heed the word of God and keep it." In other words he is not saying you should not bless Mary, he is saying that it is meaningless if you simply bless her and yet not keep God's words. Which means honoring of Mary is fine, but God is the the focus. Which is why we worship God and honor/respect Mary.
Secondly, remember in Luke 2:19, where Mary was said to have heard the word of God and pondered it in her heart. With that you can deduce that Mary is not just blessed because she nurtured Jesus, she is also blessed because she keeps the word of God .
Unfortunately these people read the bible in contraptions, if not they would have realized that God honored Mary first, after which Elizabeth being filled with the Holy Spirit from Mary's mere greetings declared her Blessed amongst women. Mary then prophesied that from that day forward, every generation shall call her Blessed. So the woman that Blessed Mary during Jesus' sermon was merely fulfilling the prophecy by calling Mary blessed. End of story.

Your knowledge of scripture is warped. So only Mary kept God's word? You people believe what you want to believe.

PROUDLY CATHOLIC!!!!
we are honoring Mary, we are honoring, we are honoring Mary we never worship her. Some pple say we worship her not at all. Everybody join the chorus honor her!!!!!!!!!!

Blessed is thy womb oh holy mother Mary that bore the savior of the world.

PROUDLY CATHOLIC!!!!
we are honoring Mary, we are honoring, we are honoring Mary we never worship her. Some pple say we worship her not at all. Everybody join the chorus honor her!!!!!!!!!!

Blessed is thy womb oh holy mother Mary that bore the savior of the world.

neocortex:


That's exactly my point , the terms "nowhere or nothing" is just a matter of semantics.
Most of us instead of admitting that we don't know "how" things came about we tend to
interprete "how" to mean "what brings about things".

You might believe that we were created , but I am sure you don't know " how" .
So if someone tries to explain the "how" based on some assumption I see no
reason why you should vehemently reject it.

And the idea of "something" coming from "nothing" still exist on a smaller scale in the universe
as seen in the birth of stars from void.

Void IS something silly!

smurfy:


Void IS something silly!

Don't blame me the same "void" was used in genesis.

Syncan:



Mr man substantiate your point. The bible as you have it became one book not earlier than 330AD. What was the Catholic church using in propagating and preaching Christianity before then? Stop making baseless claims, where does the bible claim that everything you need to know is inside it. Yet st. Paul told the thesselonians to "Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle. 2Thess 2:15.

The traditions Paul talked abt was the good example the Apostles set and the bible was not compiled then. Let me hear that the Catholic church was spreading what when they were busy burning and torturing people that tried to have a bible.

Syncan:


Mr Man, Did the bible tell you what Jesus prayed? Yes. Jesus spent a whole length of time praying, the bible simply tells us he was saying same thing. If you like expunge it from your own.

yes man, the Bible made mention of what Jesus prayed about [ Matthew 26: 39 & 42 ] indicating that he prayed about samething 3 different times but didnt do recitation

Pls Catholics dnt worship Mary,we only plead 4 Her intercession and also Honour Her 4 being blessed amongst all d women in d world....AS A LILY IS AMONGST THORNS,SO IS SHE AMONG ODA DAUGHTERS OF MEN....its nt easy to b d mother of God,or do u tink she was d only lady dat existed during her tym.....accordin to d bible,"she found favour in d sight of GOD.....David in d bible was a man after God's own Heart,and God promised Him dat d Messiah,d Everlasting King would come frm His lineage,and den Mary found favour in d sight of God,and God made Her d mother of Christ...d reason Catholics also beg 4 Her intercession in difficult situuations,is in accordance to d event at d weddin In Cana,whr d wine got finished,and d groom went to Mary and pleaded wit her to beg Her Son,Jesus gav Mary an ans"woman,my tym has nt yet com" judgin by dis we myt conclude,dat mayb if d groom had went to Jesus straight away,he myt nt get d miracle(jst sayin,im nt sure tho) in otherwords,Jesus cnt refuse his Mom anytin...i tink its easier to get to Jesus thru Mary(im a livin testimony) u can also try it@ op...dat strong bond btw Mother and Child still exist....Catholics in d forum,i hop i spoke d truth and also ur minds...

1bunne4lif:
peter

What of the prince of the apostles?

honourhim:
Luke 11:27 And it came to pass, as he spake these things, a certain woman of the company lifted up her voice, and said unto him, Blessed is the womb that bare thee, and the paps which thou hast sucked. 28 [b][/b]But he said, Yea rather, blessed are they that hear the word of God, and keep it.

We can see in the scripture above that Christ didnt give support to the slightest worship of his mother yet people wont hear.

Then what do you have to say about those that worship amadioha?

Tallesty1:
Biblical proof that she has fore-knowledge of our problems or that she hears our prayers bro.




You are alive, you can hear and see but Mary is dead. That's the difference.

Are u a christian? If u are how can you say someone is dead in the sense that they no longer have any knowledge of things happening... Some humans u see are much more than human...

Read LUKE 1:48

SSPX:
Stop wondering you heretic dullard, Mary is the MOTHER OF Jesuse Daughter of God the Father and Spoues of Holy spirit so she divinely connected and all grace we receive from God pass through her hand that is why she is full of Grace.

if we need Mary as a channel then Jesus died in vain!

Tell me the grace you receive from Mary that non- catholics don't receive.

Are you quoting the bible or your ideology?

Syncan:


Thank you. Though the bible says the Church is the "pillar and foundation of truth" 1Tim 3:15, you have now made yourself that instead. Can you hear yourself...I "worship her in disguise". Accuser of the brethren. How you even knew Mary is in heaven baffles me. I have a list of people for you to check where they are too. These are the people who said the books you have as bible now are inspired, and canonized it, while removing the ones they don't agree on. Below their names are quotes from them in their teachings, so tell me, are they condemned to hell too or are they in heaven?


Clement of Alexandria, He died in 215AD

"In this way is he [the true Christian] always pure for prayer. He also prays in the society of angels, as being already of angelic rank, and he is never out of their holy keeping; and though he pray alone, he has the choir of the saints standing with him [in prayer]" [A.D. 208]).

Origen....Died in 232AD

"But not the high priest [Christ] alone prays for those who pray sincerely, but also the angels . . . as also the souls of the saints who have already fallen asleep" (Prayer 11 [A.D. 233]).

Cyril of Jerusalem...Bishop of Jerusalem. Died in 386AD

"Then [during the Eucharistic prayer] we make mention also of those who have already fallen asleep: first, the patriarchs, prophets, apostles, and martyrs, that through their prayers and supplications God would receive our petition . . . " (Catechetical Lectures 23:9 [A.D. 350]).

Augustine....Bishop of Hippo. Died in 430.

"A Christian people celebrates together in religious solemnity the memorials of the martyrs, both to encourage their being imitated and so that it can share in their merits and be aided by their prayers" (Against Faustus the Manichean [A.D. 400]).

no matter how hard you fight the truth,you can never stop it from being truthful.you come here defending your church and her doctrines instead of working out your salvation with fear and tremble,because when a man stands before God on that great day,"my rev father lied"or"the pope lied" will not be an excuse oh.....let those that have ears hear what the spirit is saying..

Jonathan:

Rubbish!
Stop being silly
Open your head and think..

You are the one to think here.

Help yourself.

honourhim:


The person u quoted asked u a question and u did not answer it rather u asked him your own. Answer his own first. He was the one that asked first. Dont jump.

That's the biggest problem with coniferous Christians like most who have commented here. Mary or no Mary, yu don't have to be rude. Just listen and reason to Jesus reply, her dint poke fun or insult anyone.
Hate it or love it, the Bible is just another story collection that inspires opinion. What yu do wit it is ur choice, either yu eat, sleep, shit and will eventually die sometime as every human did, does and will do. Thank yu

misreal:
no matter how hard you fight the truth,you can never stop it from being truthful.you come here defending your church and her doctrines instead of working out your salvation with fear and tremble,because when a man stands before God on that great day,"my rev father lied"or"the pope lied" will not be an excuse oh.....let those that have ears hear what the spirit is saying..

Since you are tired of accusing the brethren, you may now take your advice and "go work out your salvation in fear and trembling". Don't come here saying what you don't know about.