BreezyRita:

Welcome sir! Good to have you here.


Dearpreye, I'm thinking of a better title.
Help needed please.

kaboninc:


Even if satanism and mysticism are the ONLY religions in the world, I WON'T be a member due to experience.

These questions I ask are based on what we were told. We all met these teachings and it formed the basis of what we are today. I question these teachings because they appear confusing.

God can be all loving and all. But how you tell me matters. I hope you get my drift.

There are those who left the occult and joined Christianity. And the reverse is the same. And they both "claimed" to have "peace".

BreezyRita:

Welcome sir! Good to have you here.


Dearpreye, I'm thinking of a better title.
Help needed please.

starlingslimnet:
I have some questions on Tithe brother.

Who are we to pay tithe to?

BreezyRita:

Please, by "Winners" I don't just mean LFC members but all Winners in life....

So as a Christian, you're welcome here.

Purpose??
I get so many revelations from God's Word I want to share but I dunno where. And I thought, why not start up a place where you can share ideas, Scriptures and build up your spiritual life with others??

I'd love us to share the things it has pleased God to reveal to us in our everyday lives. You never can tell, you may be a vessel for someone's blessing.

So we'll teach, learn, exhort, help, study, with the help of the Holy Spirit, of course. Daily.
God help us.

Cc
HFOG
Agapecharis
Okotv
Berjeria101
Alezy
Elantraceey.......

Where Tag And Ask will be our home, this will be our church!

HFOG:

Haha...was simply writing out those Scriptures you said we should read. Thought it would be easier for some folks. Me is not preaching to you in the least oh. Trust you had a restful night. Happy holidays!

MizMyColi:

4rmGuest2Member:


I just noticed BreezyRita may have answered that. People feel we pay to the pastors, but we're paying to God's storehouse (the church in our days). God's work on earth needs to be financed in one way or the other and apart from other forms of giving, tithting is one sure-fire way of getting finances.

It's just a pity that some pastors have allowed greed to make them steal from this money. But some never touch tithe for personal gains. In fact, my pastor pays his tithe too. I'm not a member of the council of the church, I don't know what's being done with the money but all I know is I need the positives in Mal 3:8 - 10 to be my portion and the negatives from same scripture to stay away from me.

MizMyColi:

Alezy:
I almost called u when I noticed ur name was not on the list. well ur here now n dats all dat matter

Ritty didn't mention me because she's not sure I'm a Christian

kaboninc:
Hi HFOG

Good morning to you.

Thanks for your reply. It was very clear and precise.

However without the existence of other things like the air we breathe, life is meaningless. So life exist because these other things exist.


On the leader elected by the people, of course he will be judged because we gave him our trust to lead us. Because we "needed" a leader to lead us and take us to the next level (wherever the last level may be). To avoid chaos. But for life, where will I be if I was not living in the first place? Will I be existing?

I also understand the need to be judged because there are lots of injustice in the world. Some need to be compensated for good things they've done. I understand that we need to be conscious of the fact that someday, we'll be judged. Hence we must put ourselves in order.

When we say life is a gift, does it then mean that we were once existing? Somewhere and God decides to bring us here and "gift" us "life" like a "second chance"? And ask us to live and some of us mess up and some do not and we get judged and thrown away into some hell dungeon and others to some paradise?

What of infants who die out of a cause that's not theirs? What happen to their "gift"? Would they be given another "chance"? The Bible recorded of a place where God said he'd visit the iniquities of our fathers up to the fourth generation. So those born in these generations were "gifted" a life of a "wrath" from God?

What of children born with terminal diseases...were they "gifted" such life?

These questions and lots more are just there. So please don't take me as an atheist. Btw, have you seen the mail I sent you?

MizMyColi:



Ritty didn't mention me because she's not sure I'm a Christian

MizMyColi:



Ritty didn't mention me because she's not sure I'm a Christian

HFOG:

haha. You're not blaming her, are you? I'm not sure if you're one either. :-(

But I pray to God and call on Jesus' name.
I'm sure qualified

BreezyRita:
Mizmycoli!! No. No. No. I didn't mention others too. I hoped the Spirit would direct them.
And they are here. Pardon me Bikonu. You're welcome!
Although I know your stand, I believe you'll put two and two together and get four as the result someday.


Starlingslimnet, our God is not a man. He sees in secret. He knows our thoughts. A man judges from the his sight and hearing but God judges from the heart.
So you've paid your tithe. You've done your part. Cheerfully. Why not leave human reasoning and watch God do the rest? You feel the tithe isn't used for the right purposes? Its not your business!
You feel the pastorate uses it?? What do you think? That God needs your money? No! He's the Giver! He wants to bless you. God will not come down and take your tithes. He will direct others on how to use it. If they chose to do it wrong, its their case. Not yours.....

OK. Let's see this.
I personally hate it when someone gives me something and goes about saying he did. And even checking every now and then to see what I'm doing with it. It irritates. And I'm human.
Can you tell the All-knowing, All-seeing God how you want your tithe to be used??

What am I saying??
Believe me, financial prosperity doesn't answer to prayer and fasting. Giving is the key! And look at the all-around blessings in Malachi 3:10-12!
I don't care what my tithe is used for. Me? I can't rob God! Whoever feels he can is free.....

BTW, most pastors pay their tithes. Mine does.

MizMyColi:
BreezyRita.
Anyone who calls in the name of Jesus and believes they have the Christ like nature is a Christian.

Just not all of us enjoy carrying the tag.

MizMyColi:


But I pray to God and call on Jesus' name.
I'm sure qualified

Alezy:
HFOG. ..I didn't want to quote the whole stuff but I grab what u said. I just think u were at the middle which is the most important, u didn't want to push left or right. Thanks anyway.

hope ur having a good day.

starlingslimnet:
Let me use an illustration to drive home the point.

You write an application letter for a particular Job which you delivered to the directing manager who is supposed to submit it to the general manager for assessment. And instead of submitting to the general manager decided to throw it to the dustbin.

Indeed you have submitted your application letter to the directing manager which is what you have to do but the directing manager has decided to throw it into the dustbin.Now will you be called for interview since you have submitted your application letter? even though your letter did not reach the genera manager who have the power to call you for the interview?Of course not you won't be called for the interview.

So also my brother, Your application letter is your tithe,the directing manager is the church which you bring your offerings to while The General manager is God and the interview call is your blessings of obedience onto Love.Now the Church decides to pay pastors on your offerings which is meant to be distributed to the needies as Christ command.Will there be a blessing for your obedience since God did not see the effect of your offerings on the needies?

So my brother you should have a say in the church like the hellenist had a say in the early church when their needy are neglected. So you should speak when the offerings are used wrongly so as not to hinder your blessings as the directing manager hindered the applier interview.

starlingslimnet:
Hope you have seen my illustration?
You said something which everybody resort to as the final irrefutable and irrevocable command on Tithe,Mal 3:10-12.Only they left one question unanswered on that verse and which it will be glorious if you can answer the question but before then we will have to quote that Mal 3:10-12 here and it says

" 10 Bring all the tithes into the
storehouse, That there may be food in
My house, And try Me now in this," Says
the Lord of hosts, "If I will not open for
you the windows of heaven And pour
out for you such blessing That there will
not be room enough to receive it. 11
"And I will rebuke the devourer for your
sakes, So that he will not destroy the
fruit of your ground, Nor shall the vine
fail to bear fruit for you in the field,"
Says the Lord of hosts; 12 "And all
nations will call you blessed, For you
will be a delightful land," Says the Lord
of hosts."

Now the question is, Food for who?

Alezy:
well lemme just let u kw this. sure Abraham actually paid tithe but that was tithing under grace and not tithing under any law. And yes its ok to pay tithe but my problem with the church is they make it look really big as a law.

my point is tithing can be done under any circumstances, u must not walk tru the door of the church before it's said that u have paid ur tithe. A well known church I once attended, I really don't want to make mention now. I noticed the pastor saying it in quote "as long as it's not here, it not a tithe" and I have noticed it been taken same way in 99 percent of churches in Nigeria.

4rmGuest2Member:



Lol, wow. See illustration abeg. But I'll like to point out one thing. Tithe is money, and not paper, so my tithe cannot be thrown away. Either it's used rightly or wrongly. So, to compare tithe with a letter, err, it's somehow. Besides I'm not applying for anything with my tithe because 'for me' it's a must and there's guarantee for the outcome of paying tithe which is not so for an uncertain application letter.

Then, you can't compare God with mere man. He's Omniscient. If that GM was omniscient, won't he know that I made an application? But God knows that you did tithe (or apply as you say). My brother, that's all that really matters. The effect of the tithe has never been my business and never will be. I'm not a council member in church to be concerned about that.

Just do your part with the right attitude, and God will do His. It's a covenant. It's simple. Thank God my eyes have been opened to truths about tithing. I'm hoping yours would be open too.

elantraceey:


God said bring the tithes into the storehouse , where is the store house today? Of course its the church .

HFOG:


Now, what exactly is your point please? Food for priests? Levites? God? The poor? Orphans? Widows? After proving and believing that tithe paying is irrelevant, then what next? Or that tithes should be paid. Let's try to focus on the essentials please. First things first. Whatever we give and however we live ought to flow out of our relationship with the Lord not the other way round. Choosing to give whatever percentage of our resources to a church, person, cause or community is not what makes us God's children.

4rmGuest2Member:



Lol, wow. See illustration abeg. But I'll like to point out one thing. Tithe is money, and not paper, so my tithe cannot be thrown away. Either it's used rightly or wrongly. So, to compare tithe with a letter, err, it's somehow. Besides I'm not applying for anything with my tithe because 'for me' it's a must and there's guarantee for the outcome of paying tithe which is not so for an uncertain application letter.

Then, you can't compare God with mere man. He's Omniscient. If that GM was omniscient, won't he know that I made an application? But God knows that you did tithe (or apply as you say). My brother, that's all that really matters. The effect of the tithe has never been my business and never will be. I'm not a council member in church to be concerned about that.

starlingslimnet:
Hey dear.....we are learning......And for once I didn't say Tithe is irrelevant (If you find any in my post you can quote it).Am only asking questions which is the way Christ get to guide the Pharisees into the marvelous light of God.

Now dear if you care to answer the question you can.

HFOG:

You haven't directly said that but you've said one or two things to indicate your variance with the manner of tithe giving and usage in the church. Concerning the question you asked I gave you possible answers. Food for priests, levites, Israelites, widows, orphans or even God. Pls take your choice. I'll be fine with whichever you pick. I am only trying to fast forward to the exact aim of your question and how relevant it is to our salvation. Let me allow you state clearly the point you're really driving at because you're yet to do that.

starlingslimnet:
Let me use an illustration to drive home the point.

You write an application letter for a particular Job which you delivered to the directing manager who is supposed to submit it to the general manager for assessment. And instead of submitting to the general manager decided to throw it to the dustbin.

Indeed you have submitted your application letter to the directing manager which is what you have to do but the directing manager has decided to throw it into the dustbin.Now will you be called for interview since you have submitted your application letter? even though your letter did not reach the genera manager who have the power to call you for the interview?Of course not you won't be called for the interview.

So also my brother, Your application letter is your tithe,the directing manager is the church which you bring your offerings to while The General manager is God and the interview call is your blessings of obedience onto Love.Now the Church decides to pay pastors on your offerings which is meant to be distributed to the needies as Christ command.Will there be a blessing for your obedience since God did not see the effect of your offerings on the needies?

So my brother you should have a say in the church like the hellenist had a say in the early church when their needy are neglected. So you should speak when the offerings are used wrongly so as not to hinder your blessings as the directing manager hindered the applier interview.

starlingslimnet:
Name the one or two things I said dear. . ...