johnydon22:
[b]The idea of theism has always been one created to make a soft landing psychological pillow for people, people tend to need an escape route to channel their problems and responsibilities psychologically and by so doing lack independent self determination.

First they need an escape route for their own problems instead of owning up someone conjures up flimsy excuses like "It was the devil's handiwork" "It's God's plan" "God is testing you" and in so doing they erode compassion and human sympathy in terms of human tragedy.

"It was the devils handiwork" an escape route to heap their own responsibilities and failures on an escape goat so they might escape owning up to their problems, if the misfortunes on the world is the work of a devil, it clearly shows the devil is more active than the good guy who suppose to be doing the good ones.

"It's God's plan" if everything is God's plan and God has prepared everything according to his will, why then do you pray and beg for favours because it's more like telling God "Your plans is good and all but fvck it i want it done my own way.

"God is testing you" This stone cold excuse is one that i always chastise, eroding compassion in order to make flimsy excuses and create a psychological escape route.

THE FORGIVENESS ESCAPE ROUTE.

This is the worst form of psychological dependency on abstract concepts when people cannot own up to their actions and agree responsibility for them.

That is when you hear idiotic statements like "We are saved by grace" in order words blatantly riding themselves from the guilt of their wrong doings to others.

What i find to be moral is the way you treat others and when i wrong someone i regard their feelings and i if i want to will only ask forgiveness from them because they are the one i hurt.

But a theist logic on forgiveness is; You hurt someone and instead of apologizing to that person you enter your room, mumble some words to the floor and come out saying you are forgiven by God but the person you offend is still hurting and has no idea of your act of repentance from your action. .

Why do someone need forgiveness from a deity when you hurt another human?

A woman once told me that it is because your also hurt God by hurting another human.. My reply was "Since by hurting another human you hurt God, isn't it clear that by apologizing to the person you hurt and gaining his/her forgiveness you should as well gain forgiveness from any God you delusionally think you offended".

I have never seen people who butter self righteousness together with outright hypocrisy more.... You hurt someone and claim to be saved by grace therefore ridding yourself of the responsibility your action entails and more wickedly neglecting the feelings of the one you offended.

I can never trust someone who cannot own up to his mistakes, his actions and take absolute responsibility for them but seeks a psychological escape from them

We do not need forgiveness from any God or any Deity, (Our actions are towards one another) We only need forgiveness from each other [/b]

Ishilove:
You this plaetton of a man, why are you so obsessed with Christianity??

You need deliverance

johnydon22:
[b]The idea of theism has always been one created to make a soft landing psychological pillow for people, people tend to need an escape route to channel their problems and responsibilities psychologically and by so doing lack independent self determination.

First they need an escape route for their own problems instead of owning up someone conjures up flimsy excuses like "It was the devil's handiwork" "It's God's plan" "God is testing you" and in so doing they erode compassion and human sympathy in times of human tragedy.

"It was the devils handiwork" an escape route to heap their own responsibilities and failures on an escape goat so they might escape owning up to their problems, if the misfortunes on the world is the work of a devil, it clearly shows the devil is more active than the good guy who suppose to be doing the good ones.

"It's God's plan" if everything is God's plan and God has prepared everything according to his will, why then do you pray and beg for favours because it's more like telling God "Your plans is good and all but fvck it i want it done my own way.

"God is testing you" This stone cold excuse is one that i always chastise, eroding compassion in order to make flimsy excuses and create a psychological escape route.

THE FORGIVENESS ESCAPE ROUTE.

This is the worst form of psychological dependency on abstract concepts when people cannot own up to their actions and agree responsibility for them.

That is when you hear idiotic statements like "We are saved by grace" in order words blatantly riding themselves from the guilt of their wrong doings to others.

What i find to be moral is the way you treat others and when i wrong someone i regard their feelings and i if i want to will only ask forgiveness from them because they are the one i hurt.

But a theist logic on forgiveness is; You hurt someone and instead of apologizing to that person you enter your room, mumble some words to the floor and come out saying you are forgiven by God but the person you offend is still hurting and has no idea of your act of repentance from your action. .

Why do someone need forgiveness from a deity when you hurt another human?

A woman once told me that it is because you also hurt God by hurting another human.. My reply was "Since by hurting another human you hurt God, isn't it clear that by apologizing to the person you hurt and gaining his/her forgiveness you should as well gain forgiveness from any God you delusionally think you offended".

I have never seen people who butter self righteousness together with outright hypocrisy more.... You hurt someone and claim to be saved by grace therefore ridding yourself of the responsibility your action entails and more wickedly neglecting the feelings of the one you offended.

I can never trust someone who cannot own up to his mistakes, his actions and take absolute responsibility for them but seeks a psychological escape from them

We do not need forgiveness from any God or any Deity, (Our actions are towards one another) We only need forgiveness from each other [/b]

Ishilove:
Johnny don come. Akukwo girama

plaetton:


You have said it all.

Funny how atheists are always lecturing goddists on simple morality.

Funny also, that it is always the alleged sins of others, the morality of others, for example, the private, sexual acts of others, that agitate Christians , .and not their own moral shortcomings.

johnydon22:
[b]The idea of theism has always been one created to make a soft landing psychological pillow for people, people tend to need an escape route to channel their problems and responsibilities psychologically and by so doing lack independent self determination.

First they need an escape route for their own problems instead of owning up someone conjures up flimsy excuses like "It was the devil's handiwork" "It's God's plan" "God is testing you" and in so doing they erode compassion and human sympathy in times of human tragedy.

"It was the devils handiwork" an escape route to heap their own responsibilities and failures on an escape goat so they might escape owning up to their problems, if the misfortunes on the world is the work of a devil, it clearly shows the devil is more active than the good guy who suppose to be doing the good ones.

"It's God's plan" if everything is God's plan and God has prepared everything according to his will, why then do you pray and beg for favours because it's more like telling God "Your plans is good and all but fvck it i want it done my own way.

"God is testing you" This stone cold excuse is one that i always chastise, eroding compassion in order to make flimsy excuses and create a psychological escape route.

THE FORGIVENESS ESCAPE ROUTE.

This is the worst form of psychological dependency on abstract concepts when people cannot own up to their actions and agree responsibility for them.

That is when you hear idiotic statements like "We are saved by grace" in order words blatantly riding themselves from the guilt of their wrong doings to others.

What i find to be moral is the way you treat others and when i wrong someone i regard their feelings and i if i want to will only ask forgiveness from them because they are the one i hurt.

But a theist logic on forgiveness is; You hurt someone and instead of apologizing to that person you enter your room, mumble some words to the floor and come out saying you are forgiven by God but the person you offend is still hurting and has no idea of your act of repentance from your action. .

Why do someone need forgiveness from a deity when you hurt another human?

A woman once told me that it is because you also hurt God by hurting another human.. My reply was "Since by hurting another human you hurt God, isn't it clear that by apologizing to the person you hurt and gaining his/her forgiveness you should as well gain forgiveness from any God you delusionally think you offended".

I have never seen people who butter self righteousness together with outright hypocrisy more.... You hurt someone and claim to be saved by grace therefore ridding yourself of the responsibility your action entails and more wickedly neglecting the feelings of the one you offended.

I can never trust someone who cannot own up to his mistakes, his actions and take absolute responsibility for them but seeks a psychological escape from them

We do not need forgiveness from any God or any Deity, (Our actions are towards one another) We only need forgiveness from each other [/b]

johnydon22:
Hahahahahahahaha

dalaman:


I have read from a lot of atheist here and in other places but you truly stand out. You reason and make very unconventional but very cogent points always that makes theism always look shallow and ridiculous. I love your mind and your eloquence.

simplex2:
n.

Abeg, if Gates will be in hell, count me in!

Ishilove:

Ees true na. Na so you just dey blow grammar dey go. It was quite mesmerising.

I don't know what the heck you wrote in that epistle, but it sure does look impressive!!!

johnydon22:
I don't write to impress, you can look it up and see what it was

Ishilove:

Be very very careful what you wish for...

johnydon22:
It doesn't matter what he wishes for, the obvious sick concepts such as what he wrote is crystal. . It is as disturbing as it is plain black and white evil.

Nobody needs know you or your religion inside out, but as long as you are ok with the idea of a God that will throw people who do not believe as you do or even harbour in your mind the thought of another human burning in a literal fire forever. .Tells everything one need to know about you, your religion and the God it professes

Ishilove:
Na who get that kain time?
You and ya 50cents cap

Him be Jarule. lol.

Rilwayne001:


Him be Jarule. lol.

Ishilove:

Nah. Look at the circumference of the fila. It is definitely 50cents

Lol.. Perhaps 20cents

plaetton:


Deliverance, yes,

Rilwayne001:


Lol.. Perhaps 20cents

Ishilove:

Toh. At least you were warned, dear Johnnydon. At least you were warned.

Warned? Oh one can only imagine what you people do to your own God concepts; You ridicule it, insult and belittle it and yet somehow still think in your minds you are are in a good path.

What sort of a universal God will have a literal burning place to punish Belief what exactly is an entity allegedly that powerful doing with your belief or worship?

Perfection needs nothing from anybody, so if you claim your God concept is perfect then it needs nothing from anybody; Not worship, reverence and acknowledgement and if this be so it clearly means your piety is useless.

But here we have it, you are showing us a God who needs worship, who needs sacrifice, acknowledgement on daily basis. . A God with chronic narcissism that needs worship so bad that it threatens people with fire should they fail to give it...Doesn't this show a childish, egoistic and abusive concept?

If you are God would you punish people based on what they believe and would your punishment be an eternal flame . . . .If "NO" then you obviously have a saner and sounder moral basis than the God you profess

johnydon22:
[b]Warned? Oh one can only imagine what you people do to your own God concepts; You ridicule it, insult and belittle it and yet somehow still think in your minds you are are in a good part.

What sort of a universal God will have a literal burning place to punish Belief what exactly is an entity allegedly that powerful doing with your belief or worship?

Perfection needs nothing from anybody, so if you claim your God concept is perfect then it needs nothing from anybody; Not worship, reverence and acknowledgement and if this be so it clearly means your piety is useless.

But here we have it, you are showing us a God who needs worship, who needs sacrifice, acknowledgement on daily basis. . A God with chronic narcissism that needs worship so bad that it threatens people with fire should they fail to give it...Doesn't this show a childish, egoistic and abusive concept?

If you are God would you punish people based on what they believe and would your punishment be an eternal flame . . . .If "NO" then you obviously have a saner and sounder moral basis than the God you profess[/b]

malvisguy212:
if you find it hard to forgive your enemy, why not look for a gun and kill him, no God will hold you accountable for your sin .

The morality of Jesus was so far ahead of its time that 2,000 years after Jesus brought it to this planet, modern society is still no closer to attaining it. 'Go the extra mile . . . bless those who curse you. . . Turned the other cheek . . . It is more blessed to give than to receive . . .' Present day morality, with its crude focus upon observable behavior rather than HEART attitude, is hopelessly primitive and out of touch with reality.

Ishilove:

Mr Ogbeni, calm down o jare!! Are we fighting??

You sef your blood is too hot

johnydon22:
My posts are crystal clear for all to see i am not in any roused. .

johnydon22:
I have always told you that you possess a very sick mind. .So without the idea of a God who will hold you accountable or a book telling you what to do you will be going round the world wreaking havoc where ever you go...Your state of mind is really scary because you have only shown to possess no independent moral basis. .

People should be good to others not because they fear a God that is willing to burn them or going to reward them but rather because they want to be good that is the basis of independent morality. . To be good for goodness sake . .
Buddha taught and lived by most of these 600years before Jesus. . . Those philosophies has always been there..