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| Bokoharam: Islam Is Not The Cause, Religion Is. by Nobody: 4:15pm On Aug 28, 2015 |
[b]Until recently, Islam has been a religion of peace, sanity and Whatever adjective can be used to qualify a good situation. Before the Holy Crusade or the Holy War, most people never saw Christianity as a religion that could kill or even order a violent act, but hey, situation and circumstances changes man and Man controls religion. THE movie "Game of Thrones" and other art that chronicles the history of medieval society and even ancient society have not failed in exposing the atrocities of religion in whichever denomination. The violence that have greeted contemporary society is no doubt being disseminated by Islam, at least, majority of today's terrorism. This doesn't mean Islam is a religion of violence or an evil religion that propagates terror on human. Islam is just another gullible tool used by greedy and crafty men to achieve certain goals, as it has always been since time immemorial. Popes, Religious leaders from various beliefs and tradition have always used the institution of religion to achieve certain objectives outside It's stated mission. There was a period when the Catholic church was like CIA, killing those who stood before It's dominance and spread, suppressing intellectual document that could have made society and mankind at large more enlightened and executing the few men like Galileo and the Masons brothers who could have placed religion Where it belongs- Extinction. The BokoHaram sect that continues to terrorize the West African planes is no different from previous extreme men using men's gullible Nature to achieve mundane aims. MOST people around the world (Nigerians especially) have labeled Islam as the proponents of this debacle and any act of this sect is an act of Islam - WRONG. In African traditional religion, before the arrival of foreign religion, the credulous Nature of man has been obvious. Where Chief priests were awed and respected and everything They say is deemed "words of the gods" : Pulease! Even when certain diseases attacked innocent children, these children were seen as "abominations" by the "eyes of the gods". The use of Islam to effectively disseminate evil is a manifestation of How humble, gullible, awed, tamed, and the lack of curiosity of man. It shows that the particular religion is never the problem, RELIGION ITSELF IS. Imagine "AHMED" who has a family that hardly feed themselves daily gets an offer from one "WAHEED" to just blow up a market place and he gets $5,000 when successful, even Those wretched pastors will be tempted! Lots of factors makes Islams the casualties of this ugliness but their religion - ISLAM is not one. When Emperor Constantine made Christianity a state religion so as to prevent the break of his kingdom, imagine if the Turks and the Arabs had labeled Christianity as a corrupt and evil religion used by the Emperor to achieve certain unscrupulous goals. Huh!.So you see, the particular religion is not the cause of the problem but the whole ideology of religion itself is. Most will call me an Atheist or anti-Christ, well, It's not a new thing..... BokoHaram is an enemy of all, all that stands for good over evil, all that believe that there is a thing called freedom and natural rights Which humans possess. BOKOHARAM IS NOT ISLAM.... RELIGION IS THE PROBLEM. RELIGION IS THE OPIUM OF THE PEOPLE AND SIGH OF THE OPPRESSED - Karl Marx. I am FREEMAN DAVID and I am a Philosopher.[/b] 6 Likes 5 Shares |
| Re: Bokoharam: Islam Is Not The Cause, Religion Is. by Aminat508(f): 4:19pm On Aug 28, 2015 |
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| Re: Bokoharam: Islam Is Not The Cause, Religion Is. by Annunaki(m): 4:26pm On Aug 28, 2015 |
Op you need to get your facts right, everything boko haram does is 100% islamic. They are only following instructions of their prophet as stated in the quoran. 1 Like 1 Share |
| Re: Bokoharam: Islam Is Not The Cause, Religion Is. by Nobody: 4:43pm On Aug 28, 2015 |
Annunaki:How is Killing Children and Kidnapping little girls part of the Quoran? Please do educate me. 3 Likes 1 Share |
| Re: Bokoharam: Islam Is Not The Cause, Religion Is. by johnydon22(m): 4:47pm On Aug 28, 2015 |
You are correct both religions Islam and Christianity have had their own period of wreaking havoc on the world though Christianity did this mostly during the medieval ages but it was not any different from what Islam is doing now. even during the so called "HOLY WARS" fought for Jerusalem, muslims showed more restraint in dealing with christians than christians did. . when the crusaders captured jerusalem from muslims they would put every muslim to death but when the muslims regains the land they would spare some christian citizens. I do not really think religion is the problem but the men using it for their own end is the problem. By the way it's Emperor Constantine not Constantinople. . that one is a city 3 Likes 4 Shares |
| Re: Bokoharam: Islam Is Not The Cause, Religion Is. by Empiree: 4:47pm On Aug 28, 2015 |
Annunaki:Nincompoop 2 Likes 1 Share |
| Re: Bokoharam: Islam Is Not The Cause, Religion Is. by Annunaki(m): 4:52pm On Aug 28, 2015 |
Freemanan: The girls are consider as captive slaves and they were captured based on the islamic culture of capturing slaves during their jihad campaigns. Mohamed also had a notorious reputation for raping slaves and sleeping with little children. |
| Re: Bokoharam: Islam Is Not The Cause, Religion Is. by Nobody: 4:54pm On Aug 28, 2015 |
Annunaki:Raping? Please are you talking with authority or just mere rumors? And if you have an authority, please do share with us? |
| Re: Bokoharam: Islam Is Not The Cause, Religion Is. by Annunaki(m): 5:00pm On Aug 28, 2015 |
Freemanan: Parisbookaddict kindly assist me with the hadiths that tells the story of how mohamed raped the jewish lady after killing her father and husband. |
| Re: Bokoharam: Islam Is Not The Cause, Religion Is. by parisbookaddict(f): 5:11pm On Aug 28, 2015 |
Annunaki: Hey buddy save it on ur computer/device so u can present it easily another time The haith didnt say rape directly but when u kill ones family and take the person as wife, it says all. Muhammad was poisoned by a Jewish woman, following the conquest of Khaibar, where he took Safiyah as a wife, and ordered the torture and beheading of her husband Kinana, the chief of the Jews at Khaibar. Narrated Anas bin Malik: A Jewess brought a poisoned (cooked) sheep for the Prophet who ate from it. She was brought to the Prophet and he was asked, "Shall we kill her?" He said, "No." I continued to see the effect of the poison on the palate of the mouth of Allah's Apostle . The apostle of Allah sent for Zaynab and said to her, "What induced you to do what you have done?" She replied, "You have done to my people what you have done. You have killed my father, my uncle and my husband, so I said to myself, "If you are a prophet, the foreleg will inform you; and others have said, "If you are a king we will get rid of you." ^^^cc freemanan Narrated 'Aisha: that during his fatal ailment, Allah's Apostle, used to ask his wives, "Where shall I stay tomorrow? Where shall I stay tomorrow?" He was looking forward to Aisha's turn. So all his wives allowed him to stay where he wished.... Sahih Bukhari 7:62:144 |
| Re: Bokoharam: Islam Is Not The Cause, Religion Is. by Annunaki(m): 5:23pm On Aug 28, 2015 |
Freemanan: Qur'an (33:50) - "O Prophet! surely We have made lawful to you your wives whom you have given their dowries, and those whom your right hand possesses out of those whom Allah has given to you as prisoners of war, and the daughters of your paternal uncles and the daughters of your paternal aunts, and the daughters of your maternal uncles and the daughters of your maternal aunts who fled with you; and a believing woman if she gave herself to the Prophet, if the Prophet desired to marry her-- specially for you, not for the (rest of) believers; We know what We have ordained for them concerning their wives and those whom their right hands possess in order that no blame may attach to you; " |
| Re: Bokoharam: Islam Is Not The Cause, Religion Is. by Annunaki(m): 5:30pm On Aug 28, 2015 |
Keeping slaves for sexual use is raping. This was what mohamed did and that iz the example boko haram are following. |
| Re: Bokoharam: Islam Is Not The Cause, Religion Is. by Annunaki(m): 5:35pm On Aug 28, 2015 |
parisbookaddict: Thanxz I normally browse with my phone so I find it difficult to save. |
| Re: Bokoharam: Islam Is Not The Cause, Religion Is. by Nobody: 5:40pm On Aug 28, 2015 |
Annunaki:Well I was in this quango sometime ago... Where I interpreted religion according to their texts... Your position is highly logical but very wrong in terms of your interpretation. Now let's turn to other religion, do you agree that Christianity promotes violence also and it gives no room for forgiveness? If you doubt the i habe texts in the bible to back this up. As logical and correct as this may sound, we both know thats not the case. These books were written in conformity to writer's understanding amd the circumstances surrounding his knowledge, so using the Quoran to judge is really not a way of interpreting Islam, same with the Bible to interpret Christianity. 2 Likes 1 Share |
| Re: Bokoharam: Islam Is Not The Cause, Religion Is. by Nobody: 5:41pm On Aug 28, 2015 |
parisbookaddict:You believe the Quoran/Bible is enough measurements to measure and evaluate ISLAM/Christianity? |
| Re: Bokoharam: Islam Is Not The Cause, Religion Is. by Nobody: 5:43pm On Aug 28, 2015 |
johnydon22:THANKS for the correction Mate.... I still see religion as a problem tho... It has caused more good than evil... Like Oil... |
| Re: Bokoharam: Islam Is Not The Cause, Religion Is. by parisbookaddict(f): 5:45pm On Aug 28, 2015 |
Freemanan: Dude there are so many mistakes in your write up that it is laughable, why did u put ur pic up there as well, did u think you post was profound,?? No it wasn't. But u made a point, all religions have committed their fair amount of atrocities. The Catholics for a time killed heretics and fought protestants for 3 decades, the Catholics fought the muslims as well and even murdered muslims without mercy, the Hindus where all over Asia and the middle east but Muslims have killed them so much that their are very very very few Hindus still in the middle east, they at a point fought muslims back especially in india, the buddists are usually very very peaceful but they have been attacked so much by the muslims that they had to fight back especially in Burma, muslims wage frquent attacks in against nonmuslims in china, stabbing kids and adults alike, Catholics organized the crusades and killed muslims because of muslims were waging jihad in Europe and killing Christians, they almost turned France and Spain Islamic like they did to turkey, Egypt etc do u know why, because muslims are commanded to fight , to kill and to forcefully convert.. So even tho no religion is free from fightings and bloodshed, there is one particular religion that is commanded to shed blood of people and it is Islam. Let me educate u some more Islam's inception is associated with war. From 623 to 777, a span of 154 years, there were 83 military conflicts involving the Muslims, approximately one battle every two years . . . . and that is just what I have recorded here. Is Islam a religion of peace? Muslims tell me it is, but the facts speak otherwise. Think about it. Was Islam just defending itself all across Europe as it spread? Was Spain attacking the Muslims when it was thousands of miles away? Were the other countries all conspiring against Islam, and so it defended itself and spread? Or, is it spread by the sword instead of love and truth? Jesus said, "The thief comes only to steal and kill and destroy. I came that they may have life, and have it abundantly," (John 10:10). 570Birth of Muhammad in Mecca into the tribe of Quraish 577Muhammad's mother dies 580Death of Abdul Muttalib, Muhammad's grandfather 583First journey to Syria with a trading Caravan 595Muhammad marries Khadijah, a rich widow several years older than he 595Second journey to Syra 598His son, Qasim, is born 600His daughter, Zainab, is born 603His daughter, Um-e-Kalthum, is born 604His daughter, Ruqayya, is born 605Placement of Black Stone in Ka'aba 605His daughter, Fatima, is born 610Muhammad, in a cave on Mt. Hira, hears the angel Gabriel tell him that Allah is the only true God 613Muhammad's first public preaching of Islam at Mt. Hira. Gets few converts 615Muslims persecuted by the Quraish 619Marries Sau'da and Aisha 620Institution of five daily prayers 622Muhammad immigrates from Mecca to Medina, which was then called Yathrib, gets more converts 623Battle of Waddan 623Battle of Safwan 623Battle of Dul-'Ashir 624Muhammad and converts begin raids on caravans to fund the movement 624Zakat becomes mandatory 624Battle of Badr 624Battle of Bani Salim 624Battle of Eid-ul-Fitr and Zakat-ul-Fitr 624Battle of Bani Qainuqa' 624Battle of Sawiq 624Battle of Ghatfan 624Battle of Bahran 625Battle of Uhud--70 Muslims are killed 625Battle of Humra-ul-Asad 625Battle of Banu Nudair 625Battle of Dhatur-Riqa 626Battle of Badru-Ukhra 626Battle of Dumatul-Jandal 626Battle of Banu Mustalaq Nikah 627Battle of the Trench 627Battle of Ahzab 627Battle of Bani Quraiza 627Battle of Bani Lahyan 627Battle of Ghaiba 627Battle of Khaibar 628Muhammad signs treaty with Quraish 630Muhammad conquers Mecca 630Battle of Hunsin 630Battle of Tabuk 632Muhammad dies 632Abu-Bakr, Muhammad's father-in-law, along with Umar, begin a military move to enforce Islam in Arabia 633Battle at Oman 633Battle at Hadramaut 633Battle of Kazima 633Battle of Walaja 633Battle of Ulleis 633Battle of Anbar 634Battle of Basra 634Battle of Damascus 634Battle of Ajnadin 634Death of Hadrat Abu Bakr. Hadrat Umar Farooq becomes the Caliph 634Battle of Namaraq 634Battle of Saqatia 635Battle of Bridge 635Battle of Buwaib 635Conquest of Damascus 635Battle of Fahl 636Battle of Yermuk 636Battle of Qadsiyia 636Conquest of Madain 637Battle of Jalula 638Battle of Yarmouk 638The Muslims defeat the Romans and enter Jerusalem 638Conquest of Jazirah 639Conquest of Khuizistan and movement into Egypt 641Battle of Nihawand 642Battle of Rayy in Persia 643Conquest of Azarbaijan 644Conquest of Fars 644Conquest of Kharan 644Umar is murdered. Othman becomes the Caliph 644Uman dies and is succeeded by Caliph Uthman 647Conquest of the island of Cypress 648Campaign against the Byzantines 651Naval battle against the Byzantines 654Islam spreads into North Africa 656Uthman is murdered. Ali become Caliph 658Battle of Nahrawan 659Conquest of Egypt 661Ali is murdered 662Egypt falls to Islam rule 666Sicily is attacked by Muslims 677Siege of Constantinople 687Battle of Kufa 691Battle of Deir ul Jaliq 700Sufism takes root as a sect of Islam 700Military campaigns in North Africa 702Battle of Deir ul Jamira 711Muslims invade Gibraltar 711Conquest of Spain 713Conquest of Multan 716Invasion of Constantinople 732Battle of Tours in France 740Battle of the Nobles 741Battle of Bagdoura in North Africa 744Battle of Ain al Jurr 746Battle of Rupar Thutha 748Battle of Rayy 749Battle of lsfahan 749Battle of Nihawand 750Battle of Zab 772Battle of Janbi in North Africa 777Battle of Saragossa in Spain And it is passages like this that encourage muslims to kill nonmuslims. Qur’an 9:73—O Prophet! strive hard against the unbelievers and the hypocrites and be unyielding to them; and their abode is hell, and evil is the destination.” Qur'an (9:29)-"Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued." Sura 9:5. "When the sacred months are over slay the idolaters wherever you find them. Arrest them, besiege them, and lie in ambush everywhere for them." Bukhari 2:24: Allah's Apostle said: "I have been ordered (by Allah) to fight against the people until they testify that none has the right to be worshipped but Allah and that Muhammad is Allah's Apostle, and offer the prayers perfectly and give the obligatory charity, so if they perform a that, then they save their lives and property from me except for Islamic laws and then their reckoning (accounts) will be done by Allah." 2 Likes |
| Re: Bokoharam: Islam Is Not The Cause, Religion Is. by Annunaki(m): 5:47pm On Aug 28, 2015 |
Freemanan: Mohamed also ordered the beheading of over 600 jews, this is what inspires isis and boko haram to behead innocent non muslims
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| Re: Bokoharam: Islam Is Not The Cause, Religion Is. by Nobody: 5:57pm On Aug 28, 2015 |
parisbookaddict:It's my article so indulge my sentiments and please pardon the blunders because muslims are commanded to fight , to kill and to forcefully convert.. So even tho no religion is free from fightings and bloodshed, there is one particular religion that is commanded to shed blood of people and it is Islam.I guess you don't need me to educate you on How Christianity handled heresy. What's the difference? Are you judging based on degree of cruelty? Seems so. Let me educate u some moreMy thread is not in defense of ISLAM but rather in defense of the astute Nature in man to debunk religion in It's entirety and for one to know that the only enemy here is religion and not a particular region or set of believers. And it is passages like this that encourage muslims to kill nonmuslims.I agree. Same with the Bible... "Spare not the witch" and same Bible still speaks of unconditional forgiveness.... It beats me Mate... Don't rely on what you read... Be intuitive. [/quote] 1 Like |
| Re: Bokoharam: Islam Is Not The Cause, Religion Is. by johnydon22(m): 5:57pm On Aug 28, 2015 |
Freemanan:Religion is never the only problem to man, many things promote Violence more than religions something like Politics, greed, money and sometimes something as flimsy as a woman. Religion is not the only problem, there are more like tribal differences, ethnical wars, greed and extreme political ambitions. As long as there are people who make money from weapons, there will always be wars. . 4 Likes 2 Shares |
| Re: Bokoharam: Islam Is Not The Cause, Religion Is. by Nobody: 5:58pm On Aug 28, 2015 |
Annunaki: and wat of The Killings done by Christian during the medieval period ? Religion Na wash Jor, thou am a Catholic, 1. luv God 2. Luv ur Neighbors 3 Keep his commandments 4. love yourself. With this you can be a happy man, |
| Re: Bokoharam: Islam Is Not The Cause, Religion Is. by Nobody: 6:03pm On Aug 28, 2015 |
Annunaki:Given that the Bible nowhere condemns torture and sometimes prescribes shockingly cruel penalties (such as burning alive), and that Christians so wholeheartedly approved of self-torture, it's not surprising that they thought little of inflicting appallingly cruel treatment upon others. At the height of Christianity’s power and influence, hundreds of thousands of "witches" were brutally tortured and burned alive under the auspices of ecclesiastical witch finders, and the Inquisition visited similarly cruel treatment upon those accused of heresy. Once again, Stop acting as if Islam is the only religion with bad history... The fact that the killings of of people by Christianity didn't happen in your lifetime doesn't mean you can't read it up... At least you googled out the evils of ISLAM, do well to do same for Christianity. 4 Likes 3 Shares |
| Re: Bokoharam: Islam Is Not The Cause, Religion Is. by Nobody: 6:06pm On Aug 28, 2015 |
johnydon22:Religion has taken more lives than anything... Not politics, not money, not poverty... Religion! 1 Like 1 Share |
| Re: Bokoharam: Islam Is Not The Cause, Religion Is. by johnydon22(m): 6:10pm On Aug 28, 2015 |
Freemanan:This is a very wrong assertion. . 4 Likes 4 Shares |
| Re: Bokoharam: Islam Is Not The Cause, Religion Is. by Nobody: 6:13pm On Aug 28, 2015 |
johnydon22:Before Mary Slessor, imagine How many twins must have gone down the earth, all for what? Religion. If you have watched Apocalypto, you will get a broader message... Religion is a threat to mankind. |
| Re: Bokoharam: Islam Is Not The Cause, Religion Is. by jcross19: 6:28pm On Aug 28, 2015 |
Freemanan:freeman , you are not a freeman sir but a slave to mr death get that. Islamic has been problem to the world created by roman catholic. Islamic is evil either you agree or disagree that can't change the core of islam which is violence. |
| Re: Bokoharam: Islam Is Not The Cause, Religion Is. by parisbookaddict(f): 6:30pm On Aug 28, 2015 |
Freemanan:I have a lot on my plate to be bothered. I will be the frist to point out to u the atrocities commited by human from all religions but one religion in particular encourages continuous blood shed. Do u know muslims are asked and allowed to wage wars , forcefully convert and take slaves for all time. I don't see that in Christianity, confusinism, buddism, huddism or even Judaism. I have not tried to defend any atrocities commited by pseudo Christians. Its all bad. If u want to kill the messenger , frist hear his message. The meassage of Christianity and even buddism is that of peace. I don't know much about Hindus, but they seem to be very peaceful, I have met a couple of them. Humans are flawed and no matter how peaceful u instruct them to be some will be bad. Catholics have had a few bad popes, churches have had bad pastors. It doesn't mean the message is bad.
If u want to debunk religion that's another topic. Do so without misunderstanding Islam. U can't put Islam on the same level with other peaceful religions. Islam is pure concentrated evil and we are lucky most muslims don't follow the instructions in the quran to the letter. Change is a constant. There are tough passages in the old. Testament. There was a time (the old testament) when God had absolutely zero tolerance for unrighteousness, the consequences of ur sins are brought to u almost immediately, your parents probably spanked u wen u misbehaved as a child, will they spank you now as a adult when u make silly mistakes? we Christians believe Jesus who came to offer us a better relationship with God. Jews had grown from messages from past prophets (old testament) and were no longer unruly children, so he gave us a new one a greater relationship,His message is contained in the new testament. And fulfils the old testament. no more spanking(at least as long as u live, heaven or hell awaits). Permit my unconventional child analogy. I as a Christian obey and live by the new testament and profit from lessons of the old testament. I honestly wish I can continue but am busy just now. Christians are doing great work of charity, the catholic church is the single biggest charity organization in the world spending billions each year on various charity and missionary efforts. Thousands of protestants and pentecostals churches provide charity in the billions each year with different programmes. While most nigerian pastors buy private jets, the real Christians are out there doing Goods work, providing charity to both Christians and non Christians. Do u know that muslims charity zakat is NOT spent on non muslims. It is forbidden. How can u compare thAt with other religions. Gotta go. Don't put all religions in one basket. |
| Re: Bokoharam: Islam Is Not The Cause, Religion Is. by jcross19: 6:32pm On Aug 28, 2015 |
Freemanan:I believe if christians are behaving the way muslims in the north or in islamic countries are behaving trust me you won't find solace or peace to type non-sense. Consider it where a christian turn atheist in the midst of christians and to muslim convert to atheist what will happen. |
| Re: Bokoharam: Islam Is Not The Cause, Religion Is. by parisbookaddict(f): 6:36pm On Aug 28, 2015 |
Freemanan: Dude Mary slessor was a Christian and it was because of her religon that she went on a boat and came to Africa and saved those twins. If she was an atheist she would not have been on that boat in the frist place. The twin killings was not a religious thing, they were not sacrificed but were discarded in the bush. it was based on superstition and tradition not religion. So wats ur point. 1 Like |
| Re: Bokoharam: Islam Is Not The Cause, Religion Is. by jcross19: 6:39pm On Aug 28, 2015 |
johnydon22:do you know that catholic kill protestants? In 14th century in france? For the sake of their believes? Do you know all those crusaders were against non catholic? All those protestants,Lutherans and many more are they not christians. In the history catholics have killed more 50millions non catholics who are christians, check it on google you will see what am talking about. In general did catholic crusaders represent the ideal teaching of jesus christ? . Don't reason like a drunk man or think parallel. |
| Re: Bokoharam: Islam Is Not The Cause, Religion Is. by Nobody: 6:43pm On Aug 28, 2015 |
parisbookaddict:. So much for an Unchanging GOD... Thanks for your time Mate... It's been worthy.. |
| Re: Bokoharam: Islam Is Not The Cause, Religion Is. by Nobody: 6:45pm On Aug 28, 2015 |
jcross19:Exactly my point tho... |
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