mutiply:
sow to you brother? Be realistic na. It's not about changing church. I believe God made people to be rich so as to help & assist those who are poor, Not the other way round.

Freemanan:

Show us then Mate..

Again you are not seeing the spiritual significance .

Malachi 3:8-10

8 Will a man rob God? Yet ye have robbed me. But ye say, Wherein have we robbed thee? In tithes and offerings.

9 Ye are cursed with a curse: for ye have robbed me, even this whole nation.

10 Bring ye all the tithes into the storehouse, that there may be meat in mine house, and prove me now herewith, saith the Lord of hosts, if I will not open you the windows of heaven, and pour you out a blessing, that there shall not be room enough to receive it.

Its an order from God with its benefits .Its not to your pastors but to God . You have done your part and let it be.

"Meat" in the bible passage above could mean that the tithe is used for the well being of the pastors/church as a whole

KingEbukasBlog:

"Meat" in the bible passage above could mean that the tithe is used for the well being of the pastors/church as a whole.

This is one of my problems with Christians and Christianity... You guys interpret the Bible to suit your denomination and Gospel. And not the way it is. Why will you interpret the meat to mean that now?

Freemanan:

This is one of my problems with Christians and Christianity... You guys interpret the Bible to suit your denomination and Gospel. And not the way it is. Why will you interpret the meat to mean that now?

I said "could " but let's hear your interpretation .

KingEbukasBlog:


I said "could " but let's hear your interpretation .

I don't interpret religious texts because They are merely opinions of the Writer. St. Paul wrote from his own perspective so people should not take these writings to the extreme.

KingEbukasBlog:





"Meat" in the bible passage above could mean that the tithe is used for the well being of the pastors/church as a whole

Meat in that context meant food stuff. All biblical definitions of God's tithe pointed to tithes being food stuff. (leviticus 27:30-32) money was never used as tithes in the bible even though money was already widely in use as far back as the times of Genesis. You may wish to read deut 14:22-29 as well to know more about God's instructions on tithes.

Freemanan:

I don't interpret religious texts because They are merely opinions of the Writer. St. Paul wrote from his own perspective so people should not take these writings to the extreme.

Lol . You dont interpret religious texts but how did you arrive to the conclusion that mine is wrong

KingEbukasBlog:


Lol . You dont interpret religious texts but how did you arrive to the conclusion that mine is wrong

Because I read them and your interpretation is wrong. Must I be Islam to know that you don't wear footwear into the mosque?

castroevans:
I'm sure u know there are workers in the church...
The Drummers, those who play the keyboard, piano, blow the trumpet, cleaners, and 90percent of them are paid. Where do u expect the money to come from, The Pastor's pocket?
I'm sure u know the church also needs maintenance, purchasing of diesel, repair of any faulty electrical appliances and u also don't expect that to come from the pastor's pocket alone.
Now, paying of rents, printing of bulletin etc all requires money, do u also expect that to come from ur pastor's pocket alone?
I used to live in such notion but i'm glad I don't think about it anymore.
Pray to blessed beyond ur expectation and such thoughts would be the last thing u would think of.

the question is did jesus christ collect tithe?

KingEbukasBlog:



Again you are not seeing the spiritual significance .

Malachi 3:8-10



Its an order from God with its benefits .Its not to your pastors but to God . You have done your part and let it be.

"Meat" in the bible passage above could mean that the tithe is used for the well being of the pastors/church as a whole

now read matthew 23 v 23, luke 11 v 42 and mark 12 v 41

Annunaki:


Meat in that context meant food stuff. All biblical definitions of God's tithe pointed to tithes being food stuff. (leviticus 27:30-32) money was never used as tithes in the bible even though money was already widely in use as far back as the times of Genesis. You may wish to read deut 14:22-29 as well to know more about God's instructions on tithes.

Hello Luke 11:42
42 “Woe to you Pharisees, because you give God a tenth of your mint, rue and all other kinds of garden herbs, but you neglect justice and the love of God. You should have practiced the latter without leaving the former undone.

@ minifuworld: doesn't mint mean money ?

@Annunaki and minifuworld

The tithe is for the well being of the church leaders (pastors/priests ) and the church as a whole whether be it money ( present time ) or food stuff ( bible times )

KingEbukasBlog:


Hello Luke 11:42
42 “Woe to you Pharisees, because you give God a tenth of your mint, rue and all other kinds of garden herbs, but you neglect justice and the love of God. You should have practiced the latter without leaving the former undone.

@ minifuworld: doesn't mint mean money ?

Are you a pharisee Mint is a garden herb and not money.

KingEbukasBlog:
@Annunaki and minifuworld

The tithe is for the well being of the church leaders (pastors/priests ) and the church as a whole whether be it money ( present time ) or food stuff ( bible times )

Did you read the scriptures I quoted earlier? Read them a learn the proper purpose and definition of tithes. Your definition here is not only wrong but tithing is obsolete as it as been done away with the old jewish laws that are not applicable to christians.

Tithing was instituted to cater to d needs of priesthood (of man as high priest) when the tribe were not given land.
The priesthood has changed ( Christ is d high priest and all of are priests), y then is there still tithing?

minifuworld:
the question is did jesus christ collect tithe?

Seriously ?

Bobbysworld28:
Tithing was instituted to cater to d needs of priesthood (of man as high priest) when the tribe were not given land.
The priesthood has changed ( Christ is d high priest and all of are priests), y then is there still tithing?

This is why I'm insisting that its spiritual significance have been overlooked . Are offerings and firstfruits obsolete too ? Your opinion on this please

The purpose in tithing was only to help feed the needy.
When we look back at Cain and Abel, as the story continual's-Cain had decided to turn his back on God, killing his own brother Abel though jealousy and greed.
God made a perfect plan, His plan was to support the Livites priesthood, with stocks, corps and merchandise, God had opened the doors to heaven and earth pouring out His blessings upon His people, using the Temple {Church} as a meeting place to help support those in need, yearly-all the farmers and herdsman, would give more then 23% of their first and second-fruits to God's people in order to obey God's commandments.
His plans have travelled down though the centuries, even to this day, we have more charities, feeding and clothing as God had plan it, like never before.
As we can see, God had a plan, bringing His people closer together having that same relationship God had with Abel, from the beginning, a jealous Father as He is, only wanted His own people to stay close to Him until the end.
Revelation 21:6 "I am the Alpha and the Omega the beginning and the end, the first and the last.
That is God's plan.

But something happen, Cain has re-surfaced out of the blue once again, showing himself as the man he once were-a man full of jealousy and greed. Cain came with many followers who have travelled with him though the centuries, destroying everything in their paths against God's people-using the word of God to change God's plans. From the house of love we once had-to a house full of dead man's greed.
Anybody' Pastors, priest, or Pope's, that preachers a sermon, on either Tithes and offerings, or other resources to Gain finances-and expected to be paid, are working against God's plan-in order to rip off the innocent, twisting the word of God.

Matthew 19:24 "It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, then for a rich person to enter into the Kingdom of God.
Ezekiel 33:13 "If I tell a righteous person they will surely live, and they trust in their righteousness and do evil, none of the righteous that person have done will be remembered, they will die for the evil they have done.

Anybody, who helps supports Cain and his followers, will surely die away from God.

keandre:
10% to the church, the remaining belongs to the mog and his cronies

Smh:.. Tragical truth..

brocab:
The purpose in tithing was only to help feed the needy.
When we look back at Cain and Abel, as the story continual's-Cain had decided to turn his back on God, killing his own brother Abel though jealousy and greed.
God made a perfect plan, His plan was to support the Livites priesthood, with stocks, corps and merchandise, God had opened the doors to heaven and earth pouring out His blessings upon His people, using the Temple {Church} as a meeting place to help support those in need, yearly-all the farmers and herdsman, would give more then 23% of their first and second-fruits to God's people in order to obey God's commandments.
His plans have travelled down though the centuries, even to this day, we have more charities, feeding and clothing as God had plan it, like never before.
As we can see, God had a plan, bringing His people closer together having that same relationship God had with Abel, from the beginning, a jealous Father as He is, only wanted His own people to stay close to Him until the end.
Revelation 21:6 "I am the Alpha and the Omega the beginning and the end, the first and the last.
That is God's plan.

But something happen, Cain has re-surfaced out of the blue once again, showing himself as the man he once were-a man full of jealousy and greed. Cain came with many followers who have travelled with him though the centuries, destroying everything in their paths against God's people-using the word of God to change God's plans. From the house of love we once had-to a house full of dead man's greed.
Anybody' Pastors, priest, or Pope's, that preachers a sermon, on either Tithes and offerings, or other resources to Gain finances-and expected to be paid, are working against God's plans-in order to rip off the innocent, twisting the word of God.
Anybody, who helps supports Cain and his followers, will surely die away from God..

You point is?

KingEbukasBlog:


This is why I'm insisting that its spiritual significance have been overlooked . Are offerings and firstfruits obsolete too ? Your opinion on this please

U see, everything under d law was a shadow and Christ is d substance.
Firstfruits are not obsolete. We are now God's firstfruits
jas1.18.kjv Of his own will begat he us with the word of truth, that we should be a kind of firstfruits of his creatures.

The challenge has always been dt we dont understand the finished works of Christ. There is no blessing for Tithing! Y? because not only is it obsolete, we (the Gentiles) were not part of d nation of Isreal to whom d instruction was given. We are born (again) blessed.
eph1.3.kjv Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ:

So dont let anyone fool u, Tithing is not for Christians

Read it and learn.

Freemanan:

You point is?

brocab:
Read it and learn.

Can't learn from what I don't understand sir.

If you don't understand about the word of God-then that's Ok, but in the other hand if you say you are a Christian, then read the bible, and if you are a believer in tithing, then I advise you, you need to stop tithing-and get back into the word of God, like never before-asking the Lord to forgive you-Tithing was never used as a money back guarantee, like it is today.
The truth will set you free.

Freemanan:
Can't learn from what I don't understand sir.

I have my rare moments, where I don't go to Church, matter of fact it frightens me to enter into a Church building-anger rises within me, knowing they all ask for the tithes and offerings without any shame.
My day's in Church were the day's, as I found with God's People, after hearing the tithing messages said: God's people have forgotten who God is.
God's people these days are more focus about the returns they believe they will receive from God, after cashing in on their tithes and offerings, believing the Pastors lies, that all monies given will come back 100 fold' some 60 and others 30 fold at a rate of a money back guarantee.
I had left the Church behind, only because I was finding it difficult, to find any persons having that same passion I have to talk about God.

Matthew 18:20 "For where two or three people have come together in My name, I am in the midst of them.
They are great words from the Lord-but does anybody understand Him-He said: when 2 or 3 come in His name.
Not in the name of Mammon.
Ezekiel 34:9-16 "Therefore O shepherds hear the word of the Lord, thus says the lord God, behold I am against the shepherds I will require the flock at their hand; I will cause them to cease feeding the sheep. And the shepherds shall feed themselves no-more, for I will deliver My flock from their mouths that they no-longer be food for them. Says the Lord I will find My sheep who are scattered and bring them back.

Freemanan:
[b]Isn’t this a question every churchgoer has either asked or wondered about at some point in their Christian Walk. Personally, the issue is a serious one that will determine whether I choose a church or let it go.

I’ve experienced churches that REQUIRE a disclosure of your Annual Tax Return to determine what you should, or should have, tithed throughout the year.

I’ve experienced churches (Pastors) that (who) will use the “Guilt Trip” technique to get your tithe. The church that goes to The Old Country Buffet after Service each week but has the Pastor use that outing as a measure against whether you’re doing the right thing by enjoying the “after church festivities” as opposed to tithing…challenging you to forgo the fun, and tithe your “Old Country Buffet” money….telling you that it’s God’s money not yours.

Or there’s the Church that will promise you 100X whatever you tithe…and even go as far as putting a specific date on it….most of the time from a person who has determined they have the “Gift Of Prophecy” and claim that “within 4 days (or on he 4th day), The Lord is going to Bless your finances!!!

Or the “Hostage Church”. The church that has been told by The Lord that everyone WILL Tithe “this week” and that the number #5,000 has been shown to them and that “We are not going anywhere today until we “fulfill The Lord’s Promise” this morning and have #5,000. Low and behold the church has 25 Members, 65% of whom are women, 34% of whom are children, and 1% of whom are men. Then by the end of the “Service”, after the “Tithe Box” has been counted in front of the entire 25 Member Congregation about 10 times, the church resorts to accepting I.O.U. notes from members which finally satisfies “The Promise” for the day sent by “The Lord”.
Many many churches differentiates ”Tithing” from “Giving”…where the “Tithe” is a “Command From The Lord”, while “Giving” is voluntary and consists of whatever you have left after tithing.

Then there are the honest churches led by Godly Men and Women who don’t operate via exploitation tactics and don’t press the issue. They teach you what The Word says and leave it between you and The Lord. Not all churches are guilty of inappropriate practices when it comes to tithing (and Giving)…but many are.

Many times, in most of these inappropriate scenarios, it would seem that the church wouldn’t care if you left empty handed with no money at the end of the service, even to the extent that you might not be able to pay your bills. But, “the church” will avoid being accused of not caring by always encouraging you that “The Lord Will Provide”.

At the end of the day…despite the manner in which each church (or your church) approaches urging people to Tithe… “Where Does The Money Go”?…(in your opinion) and what are your comments in general concerning the church and tithing?[/b]

Freemanan:
[b]Isn’t this a question every churchgoer has either asked or wondered about at some point in their Christian Walk. Personally, the issue is a serious one that will determine whether I choose a church or let it go.

I’ve experienced churches that REQUIRE a disclosure of your Annual Tax Return to determine what you should, or should have, tithed throughout the year.

I’ve experienced churches (Pastors) that (who) will use the “Guilt Trip” technique to get your tithe. The church that goes to The Old Country Buffet after Service each week but has the Pastor use that outing as a measure against whether you’re doing the right thing by enjoying the “after church festivities” as opposed to tithing…challenging you to forgo the fun, and tithe your “Old Country Buffet” money….telling you that it’s God’s money not yours.

Or there’s the Church that will promise you 100X whatever you tithe…and even go as far as putting a specific date on it….most of the time from a person who has determined they have the “Gift Of Prophecy” and claim that “within 4 days (or on he 4th day), The Lord is going to Bless your finances!!!

Or the “Hostage Church”. The church that has been told by The Lord that everyone WILL Tithe “this week” and that the number #5,000 has been shown to them and that “We are not going anywhere today until we “fulfill The Lord’s Promise” this morning and have #5,000. Low and behold the church has 25 Members, 65% of whom are women, 34% of whom are children, and 1% of whom are men. Then by the end of the “Service”, after the “Tithe Box” has been counted in front of the entire 25 Member Congregation about 10 times, the church resorts to accepting I.O.U. notes from members which finally satisfies “The Promise” for the day sent by “The Lord”.
Many many churches differentiates ”Tithing” from “Giving”…where the “Tithe” is a “Command From The Lord”, while “Giving” is voluntary and consists of whatever you have left after tithing.

Then there are the honest churches led by Godly Men and Women who don’t operate via exploitation tactics and don’t press the issue. They teach you what The Word says and leave it between you and The Lord. Not all churches are guilty of inappropriate practices when it comes to tithing (and Giving)…but many are.

Many times, in most of these inappropriate scenarios, it would seem that the church wouldn’t care if you left empty handed with no money at the end of the service, even to the extent that you might not be able to pay your bills. But, “the church” will avoid being accused of not caring by always encouraging you that “The Lord Will Provide”.

At the end of the day…despite the manner in which each church (or your church) approaches urging people to Tithe… “Where Does The Money Go”?…(in your opinion) and what are your comments in general concerning the church and tithing?[/b]

Tithes end up as money used by churches to build schools n hospitals that members will pay through their nose to attend/use.

chuna1985:



Tithes end up as money used by churches to build schools n hospitals that members will pay through their nose to attend/use.

Seconded

Part of it goes to the Pastor's pocket. Welcome to the odd world.

All of it go's to the pastors pocket, while the hungry are hungrier.

LaRoyalHighness:
Part of it goes to the Pastor's pocket. Welcome to the odd world.

KingEbukasBlog:



Again you are not seeing the spiritual significance .

Malachi 3:8-10



Its an order from God with its benefits .Its not to your pastors but to God . You have done your part and let it be.

"Meat" in the bible passage above could mean that the tithe is used for the well being of the pastors/church as a whole

Enough of Malachi 3 vs 10 scam.


Read Deuteronomy 26 vs 12 n reply me.

In the day's of tithing back then, was only a commandment given by God, who He had chosen a percentage of faithful farmers and herdsmen He Himself could trust-making a law with them, they continued to follow His commandments yearly, given at least 23% and more-through God's promises' God would reward each of them, by pouring out His blessings upon their lands. Filling them with milk and honey.
Back in those day's, not everyone tithed-only those God had chosen them to tithe.

Malachi 3:8-10 "Is not talking to everyone, the Levite priesthood were only blessed because none could purchase the land, in return for their blessings the Levites worked for God in the temple, God had given Aaron a gift-allowing the Levites to support Aaron who God had chosen.
God made allowances through the priesthood, to tithe 10% to Aaron, while 90% of the stocks herds,and merchandise was kept for the Levites. In part of Gods blessings were to help feed the hungry while they had plenty, and as they continual'ed to do so yearly God poured out His blessings.
And in those day's, people were staving at a higher rate, then we have today.

Tithing was put in place as a law for the Levites to obey, Malachi 3:8-10 "Was only a direct message to the Levites they were ripping off God, trading and selling God's blessings, He had supplied to His people, even back then God seen his own blessings used and abused.
In Hebrews 7:12 " As clearly as this scriptures tells us, the Lord seen the damages the Levites were doing, ripping off God's people-the Lord then tells us, God changed the priesthood, followed by the law on tithing.

So you believers who tithe, are tithing against the word of God, not only are you all ripping yourselves off, but you are ripping off God too.

KingEbukasBlog:



Again you are not seeing the spiritual significance .

Malachi 3:8-10



Its an order from God with its benefits .Its not to your pastors but to God . You have done your part and let it be.

"Meat" in the bible passage above could mean that the tithe is used for the well being of the pastors/church as a whole

minifuworld:
the question is did jesus christ collect tithe?

I think your problem is calling it 'Tithe'. I know Christ collected some kind of support and offerings from his followers.
Many women were there, watching from a distance. They had followed Jesus from Galilee to care for his needs... Matt 27:55
If you ask me I will say its okay to give to the Pastors whether you call it tithe o, offering o, gift o. Just give.. charity is the best yet it begins from home.