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Re: Why Do Atheist Hate Something That Doesn' Exit. by KingEbukasBlog(m): 10:14pm On Sep 21, 2015 |
johnydon22: I never told you to take up the explanation for God's existence with a priest . Am just a cool youth
Maybe the explanation wasn't coherent enough Take two containers of the same capacity but different volumes of the same liquid . The primitive man is a smart of the modern man if given the same level of education . More clearly : A" primitive baby " will do as well as the modern baby intellectually if they go through the same level of education |
Re: Why Do Atheist Hate Something That Doesn' Exit. by keenn: 10:15pm On Sep 21, 2015 |
ekemini606: Yes I agree, just as the way rape, infanticide, suicide, corruption, stealing, bribery, war ...was installed in all men. LOL 1 Like |
Re: Why Do Atheist Hate Something That Doesn' Exit. by johnydon22(m): 10:17pm On Sep 21, 2015 |
KingEbukasBlog:Ebuka exists on Milky way galaxy but dwells on Andromeda galaxy Lmao. . now imagine how you will sound when you will try to distance God's existential dimension to it's dwelling place. . .Try it and murder yourself here.. That assertion is based on what is observed as of now which has shown the workings of the universe is due to the interactions within it. Like i always say "I don't know how anything started" but unlike you i do not see my lack of knowledge as a bad thing but rather a call to strive to know and ascertain what really happened. I do not conjure up any assertion in order to fill up the gap left by my ignorance of how things started like "Gods did it" "God that lives outside the universe did it or aliens did it" I simply look towards what is to teach me all i can grasp...Why not join me and agree "You don't know" so we could be open to every thing the universe can teach us through study.. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Why Do Atheist Hate Something That Doesn' Exit. by johnydon22(m): 10:23pm On Sep 21, 2015 |
KingEbukasBlog:Just like you a priest believes the existence of a God. .so just like the priest you are also bound to defend the existence of this existential God who somehow depends on you to argue it's existence...lmal But unlike most theists and atheists who buy the theory of BIG BANG, i don't . so i cannot answer for another...
We are forgetting one thing here, this education you speak of still emerged through the development of human trends. Primitive men did not have this education because it simply wasn't there at that moment, changes occurred for these deductions to be taken and developed over time. If this development didn't occur man would still have been in that primitive state. . .So that you and i are referring to these humans as primitive tells one everything they need to know about the differences in intellectual capabilities 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Why Do Atheist Hate Something That Doesn' Exit. by johnydon22(m): 10:32pm On Sep 21, 2015 |
cold:Exactly bro this what i have been schooling him since here. You cannot employ the principle of causation at the same time try to boycott it when it applies to your God. Special pleading is a logical fallacy that stems from intellectual dishonesty.. 5 Likes 3 Shares |
Re: Why Do Atheist Hate Something That Doesn' Exit. by winner01(m): 1:05am On Sep 22, 2015 |
[b]KingEbukasBlog, I think he's asking you to join their small Like they popularly say, if everything must have a Creator, then it applies to God too. Man and insatiable needs tho, the created hasn't probed his existence and wants to make use of his created abilities to probe the existence of his Creator...Ironic. Well, one of the most established principles of logic,science, reality is the principle of causality, i.e something that has a beginning has a sufficient cause. a cause has to be sufficient, or adequate . ‘You were found in a space engine’ is not a sufficient explanation for your existence. Atheists make use of words like rational, reasonable and scientific in describing their beliefs, worse atheists believe that the beginning of the universe had no cause whatsoever! Some admit it is a problem, but they claim that saying ‘God did it’ explains nothing because you then have to explain where God came from. The cause of the universe must have been non-material because if the cause was material/natural, it would be subject to the same laws of decay as the universe. That means it would have to have had a beginning itself and you have the same problem as cycles of births and deaths of universes. So the cause of the universe’s beginning must have been super-natural, i .e. non-material, non-natural or spirit, a cause outside of space-matter -time. Now such a cause would not be subject to the law of decay and so would not have a beginning. That is, the cause had to be eternal spirit . Furthermore, the cause of the universe had to be incredibly powerful, the sheer size and energy seen in the universe together speak of that power; there had to be a sufficient cause. That sounds like the God of the Bible to me. The Bible reveals the Creator of the universe as: - Eternal Before the mountains were brought forth, or ever you had formed the earth and the world, from everlasting to everlasting you are God. (Psalm 90:2) -All- powerful Yours, O LORD, is the greatness and the power and the glory and the victory and the majesty, for all that is in the heavens and in the earth is yours. Yours is the kingdom, O L ORD, and you are exalted as head above all . Both riches and honour come from you, and you rule over all. In your hand are power and might, and in your hand it is to make great and to give strength to all. (1Chronicles29: 11–12) -Spirit (non-material) God is spirit, and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and truth. (John 4:24) Note that the Bible says , “In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth ” (Genesis 1: 1 ). Here God created time itself . Only One who is outside of time, that is, timeless, or eternal, could do this. To now ask where someone who is eternal, someone who had no beginning, came from (‘ Who created God ?’) is like asking, ‘To whom is the bachelor married?’ It is an irrational question. Atheists not only have to believe that matter came into being without any cause, they also have to believe that life itself popped into existence without an adequate cause. Even the simplest single - celled life is stupendously complex. A humble bacterium is full of incredibly sophisticated nano -machines that it needs to live. A cell needs a minimum of over 400 different proteins to make the machines that are absolutely essential for life. How could these protein-based machines make themselves, even if all the right ingredients (20 different amino acids, but many of each) could make themselves? The amino acids, often thousands of them, have to be joined together in the correct order for each protein to function. Lets think about a single protein component, less than 10 % of the total. This protein is 329 amino acids in length. What would be the chance of getting this one protein by chance, assuming that the correct, and only the correct, amino acid ingredients were present? We can calculate it this way: 1/ 20 x 1 / 20 x 1 / 20 … 329 times ! This is a probability of 1 in 10 428 … a number with 428 zeros after the 1 ! Even if every atom in the universe (1080 a number with 80 zeros ) represented an experiment for every molecular vibration possible (1012 per second ) for the supposed evolutionary age of the universe (14 billion years = 1018 seconds), this would allow only 10 110 experiments, a long, long way short of the number needed to have a ghost of a chance of getting just this one protein to form, let alone the over 400 others needed . No wonder Richard Dawkins admits that scientists might never work out how life could arise by natural processes. Nevertheless, he rejects the creation explanation for the "fallacious" reason above. Now think again, what sort of cause is sufficient to explain the origin of life? The cause must be incredibly intelligent, far beyond our intelligence. We marvel at the scientists who are discovering the nano - technology in living things and it is an astonishing enterprise. But what of the One who invented these things? How much more intelligent is He? This reminds me of another characteristic of the God whom the Bible reveals: He is omniscient (all knowing). Psalm 139: 2– 6, Isaiah 40 : 13 – 14. We know sufficient about the Creator from His creation to be “without excuse” . Romans 1: 18 – 22 explains why otherwise intelligent people choose to believe impossible things; that firstly the universe, then life, just popped into existence without any adequate cause. They choose to illogically accept that their two ‘great beginnings’ had no sufficient cause, rather than acknowledge and honour their Creator. [/b] 2 Likes 2 Shares
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Re: Why Do Atheist Hate Something That Doesn' Exit. by KingEbukasBlog(m): 5:41am On Sep 22, 2015 |
winner01: This is just brilliant bro Like I said its common sense that something that exists outside time and space caused our physical universe and I asked him if God lives in a material/physical world . If @johnydon22 should comprehend that this non - material world of God exists outside time - then its illogical to assert that it needs a creator . I didnt want to deal with ambiguity of both an uncreated God and uncreated NON - PHYSICAL/MATERIAL world and that eluded him . Thanks again for this 1 Like |
Re: Why Do Atheist Hate Something That Doesn' Exit. by ekemini606: 8:13am On Sep 22, 2015 |
What is forgotten by logician's is that single words express very complex reductions in thinking. When the appropriate words are used in a thesis a person is able to traverse an immense galaxy of concepts in a few short sentences. Logic related to human is already ill-equipped to convey the complexity of human experience. 1 Like |
Re: Why Do Atheist Hate Something That Doesn' Exit. by winner01(m): 5:06pm On Sep 22, 2015 |
KingEbukasBlog: Anytime bro. These guys are just funny. Even Some have proposed one universe giving birth to another, but again, there cannot be an infinite series of such births and deaths, as each cycle must have less energy available than the last and if this had been happening for eternity, the death of everything would have already happened. Atheists need to start exhibiting open-mindedness as they claim. 1 Like
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Re: Why Do Atheist Hate Something That Doesn' Exit. by ekemini606: 5:26pm On Sep 22, 2015 |
The worst moment for an atheist, is when they feeling thankfully and there's no one to thank. |
Re: Why Do Atheist Hate Something That Doesn' Exit. by Weah96: 7:21pm On Sep 22, 2015 |
nedu2000: So if someone tries to sell your daughter a he-goat with wings on Mars, you wouldn't get offended because the animal isn't real? Lies offend many people, unless the lie is one you feel was told in your favor. |
Re: Why Do Atheist Hate Something That Doesn' Exit. by Weah96: 7:27pm On Sep 22, 2015 |
winner01: So in order to solve this problem of disappearing energy, you wave your hand and declare that there is a humanoid being who isn't subject to any of that rubbish? That's called hand waving, not problem solving. It's the enterprise of weak minded people who hate to spend long periods trying to solve a problem. Wishy washy people. 3 Likes |
Re: Why Do Atheist Hate Something That Doesn' Exit. by johnydon22(m): 7:43pm On Sep 22, 2015 |
ekemini606:You see one thing i have noticed is how naive you always sound. When an atheist is feeling thankful he thanks the people who made the thing happen and not any imaginary thing. We give credit to the people who deserve it, the doctors in the hospitals, the nurses going on shifts day and night, the teachers in the classrooms, the soldiers in the front, our friends, our families, ourselves. These are the people who deserve to be given the credit because they actually make these things happen, too bad you give something imaginary credit for your actions and accomplishments of others around you. We thank ourselves and the people who deserve it for our accomplishments because we know it is wrong to give someone else's credit to another let alone something imaginary. We have many people to thank, it just doesn't include imaginary things. Now am sure you realize how pathetic you sound...... 5 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: Why Do Atheist Hate Something That Doesn' Exit. by Anas09: 2:36am On Sep 23, 2015 |
I want the Nl atheist to explain Conciousness to me. If there's no God, meaning there's no supernatural, and no afterlife, how can u explain a situation where someone dies, i mean clinically dead. Doctors confirms him dead. No pulse, no brain activites for hours, only for the person to jeck back to life to tell about his/her experience in the other world? They meet a relative or friend who had died long ago, who gives them information for his/her living folk, when he jerks back, when verified the info is found to be true? How was the dead guy able to retain that info wen his brian activities had stopped? This happened to my elder sister. She had etopic pregnancy that killed her, but she jerked back to life abt two or three hrs later to tell us abt our uncle who died months back pursuing her with a cane to go back, and he told her something for his immidiate family which was verified. Secondly, I personally dream events before they happen. I mean, vivdly, clearly detailed before they happen. This is not a case of what you saw or experienced before. I mean future. Early last month I dreamed, a contract am handling got terminated, because in real life here, the project manager had inflated the amount, I knew abt it, but said nothing. Last week, it was discovered, the guy is fired and my contract terminated. Pls explain this to me. |
Re: Why Do Atheist Hate Something That Doesn' Exit. by ekemini606: 7:10am On Sep 23, 2015 |
Anas09: there is God final! And its not subject to argument. |
Re: Why Do Atheist Hate Something That Doesn' Exit. by dalaman: 7:23am On Sep 23, 2015 |
Anas09: Please can you provide the name of the person, hospital and doctors? |
Re: Why Do Atheist Hate Something That Doesn' Exit. by dalaman: 7:26am On Sep 23, 2015 |
ekemini606: There is no God but Allah that is final! Its not subject to argument. |
Re: Why Do Atheist Hate Something That Doesn' Exit. by KingEbukasBlog(m): 10:25am On Sep 23, 2015 |
dalaman: this guy there are a thousand and one cases like that . Were you born yesterday or are you being hypocritical as usual |
Re: Why Do Atheist Hate Something That Doesn' Exit. by KingEbukasBlog(m): 10:39am On Sep 23, 2015 |
Weah96: Weak minded people ? Humanoid being ? You guys are good at scrutinizing christian beliefs but cling to science has not provided an answer yet . LOL Nothing gets better than a theory that denies the first cause or an always existing universe and abiogenesis or panspermia (redirects to abiogenesis ) All four hold no water If you think scientific theories about the genesis of life shouldn't be subject to any rubbish , then God shouldn't be ( a simple deduction from your statement) Shikena |
Re: Why Do Atheist Hate Something That Doesn' Exit. by KingEbukasBlog(m): 10:51am On Sep 23, 2015 |
johnydon22: That's one problem I have with you . If he wants to thank whoever he wants to thank let him be . The way he sounds pathetic to you its the way you sound ineffably pathetic to me and every christian . |
Re: Why Do Atheist Hate Something That Doesn' Exit. by KingEbukasBlog(m): 10:56am On Sep 23, 2015 |
dalaman: ok
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Re: Why Do Atheist Hate Something That Doesn' Exit. by dalaman: 11:01am On Sep 23, 2015 |
KingEbukasBlog: Therr are a thousand and one cases yet you can't provide the name of one verifiable hospital that pronounced a person dead and was resurrected by being prayed upon? Are you trolling? |
Re: Why Do Atheist Hate Something That Doesn' Exit. by KingEbukasBlog(m): 11:08am On Sep 23, 2015 |
johnydon22: So suddenly you of all people dont understand what outside time is ? You have to be kidding me ! LOL . Well , something that exists outside time precludes infinite regression |
Re: Why Do Atheist Hate Something That Doesn' Exit. by KingEbukasBlog(m): 11:19am On Sep 23, 2015 |
dalaman: Its like asking someone when was the last time he sneezed Its like a common testimony in my church so writing down a hospital to verify if its true after the names of the hospitals are mentioned sounds like a dumb thing to do , to me . I blogged about this story sometime . You should start applying for a visa I guess http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3083373/Zack-Clements-Texas-claims-saw-Jesus-collapsing-gym-class-having-no-pulse-20-minutes.html Better still enjoy the comments from the whites you worship |
Re: Why Do Atheist Hate Something That Doesn' Exit. by KingEbukasBlog(m): 11:29am On Sep 23, 2015 |
dalaman: Plus its also sad that you picked an excerpt of his post , trying to be incredulous . Lemme paste the other side so you'd ask him questions No pulse, no brain activites for hours, only for the person to jeck back to life to tell about his/her experience in the other world? They meet a relative or friend who had died long ago, who gives them information for his/her living folk, when he jerks back, when verified the info is found to be true? How was the dead guy able to retain that info wen his brian activities had stopped? This happened to my elder sister. She had etopic pregnancy that killed her, but she jerked back to life abt two or three hrs later to tell us abt our uncle who died months back pursuing her with a cane to go back, and he told her something for his immidiate family which was verified. This should be exciting if dalaman accepts this "challenge " . Grabs pop corn with winner01 |
Re: Why Do Atheist Hate Something That Doesn' Exit. by dalaman: 11:30am On Sep 23, 2015 |
KingEbukasBlog: No where in the story does it say he was pronounced dead. Read my first comment on this topic. |
Re: Why Do Atheist Hate Something That Doesn' Exit. by KingEbukasBlog(m): 11:35am On Sep 23, 2015 |
dalaman: "Just before doctors pronounced him dead, Zack regained a pulse" Understand the gist . So 1. Jesus didn't appear to him ? 2. It wasn't a true stroy 3. Dailymail formulated the story 4. The comments were made by robots
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Re: Why Do Atheist Hate Something That Doesn' Exit. by KingEbukasBlog(m): 11:38am On Sep 23, 2015 |
@dalaman --- pronounce : "to utter or deliver formally or solemnly" |
Re: Why Do Atheist Hate Something That Doesn' Exit. by Weah96: 11:39am On Sep 23, 2015 |
KingEbukasBlog: Science is open to discussion. Theories are discussed over and over and over and many other scientists often suggest opposing ideas. That's the point. You say that this invisible person you call God communicated with humans long ago and the result of that interaction is the immutable transcript you call the bible. No one sees the God person for confirmation. There are no extant relatives of any of the supposed authors. The book itself is riddled with foolishness and malice, and punctuated by brief moments of wise words. You love to bring up scientific theories as if the refutation of one somehow VALIDATES your own "let there be light" story. "Let there be light, and there was light" has nothing to do with abiogenesis. Scientific theories could all be refuted and your story will still remain kiddish. |
Re: Why Do Atheist Hate Something That Doesn' Exit. by KingEbukasBlog(m): 11:47am On Sep 23, 2015 |
Weah96: Let there be light and there was light - that was a divine command that restored the functionality of the sun on earth during the restoration of the earth 6,000 yrs ago . Better still it was an abstract representation of the scientific processes that took place at that moment . I have money and I bought a car - do I need to tell you how I checked out other cars , chose the one I bought , paid for it , tipped the car sales guy and then drove it to my apartment ? Where is you sense of reasoning ? Or do you have a predilection for ridiculing bible verses you have no understanding of ? |
Re: Why Do Atheist Hate Something That Doesn' Exit. by Weah96: 11:50am On Sep 23, 2015 |
KingEbukasBlog: So that's what it is then. Find a comfortable place, erect a shrine, and call the place Mecca. You just use your mouth to say that something is outside time and then everything else falls into place. That's the epitome of laziness in my book. Just for laughter, how possible is it that there are multiple people outside time, as in, your God is from a village where all the people are outside time? How do you know that it was one person outside this time and not a whole country? Since we're waving hands and declaring things, let's embellish the story even more. 1 Like |
Re: Why Do Atheist Hate Something That Doesn' Exit. by Weah96: 11:54am On Sep 23, 2015 |
KingEbukasBlog: You should be ashamed of yourself. Let there be light is what a lazy person writes when he's faced with an insurmountable problem. Do tell me, 6000 years ago, what was the Sun doing? |
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