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Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by Nobody: 7:12pm On Nov 13, 2015
Quimicababes you know they cosigned it on that side?

You need to tell them more wink

Shymm3x this your gif eh grin grin Abeg help us take am dahn

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Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by raumdeuter: 7:17pm On Nov 13, 2015
Aareonakakanfo:
Where are the Oyo folks on this thread?

I really enjoyed the converstion between Superstar1,dollyparton1,zimoni and 9jacrip on Osun state

Eyin ara Oyo Ni ibo le wa




You dey call me? Omo Oyo state nimi

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Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by Nobody: 7:20pm On Nov 13, 2015
raumdeuter:


You dey call me? Omo Oyo state nimi


O ti e dabe.we wanted Oyo folks to discuss what's happening in Oyo state and its politics but we no see.This is the first time I'm seeing you post in this section tho.se ko si? grin
Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by Nobody: 7:24pm On Nov 13, 2015
Shymm3x:


But a lot of these folks also work in the state ministries and other agencies across the SW. So they're contributing to the huge recurrent expenditure and debt profiles across the region. You can't just leave ya own region and become pests to other folks. So they should be targeted when it's time to start cutting down government spending across the region.

Yoruba folks are just too stupid and docile for my liking. These are the same folks who told us APC is the best thing since slice bread - but the same APC has destroyed the whole region with utter idiotic fiscal policies.

They told us Tinubu is a maverick, but the same Tinubu has ended up enslaving the region and future generation to enrich himself.

They're the ones who go around fighting Biafrans when Biafrans aren't disturbing them, thus bringing collective shame to Yorubas who don't give two fvcks about Biafra.

These idiots even support Buhari more than Northerners, despite the fact that Buhari intelligently ceded all the sensitive position of power under his government to the North - and gave out the tedious/problematic ones his government would be judged by to the South. Thus making them do the dirty work while the North consolidates its hold on power.

And they're the same fools who tout that "we're accommodating" tripe everywhere to their own detriment, while piling up crazy debts.
This is one of the most brilliant posts I've ever read on Nl. Guy, you're a deep thinker!
Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by zimoni(f): 7:26pm On Nov 13, 2015
raumdeuter:


You dey call me? Omo Oyo state nimi

You are welcome on board Egbon.

E kaabo.
Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by Nobody: 7:29pm On Nov 13, 2015
zimoni:


You are welcome on board Egbon.

E kaabo.


It looks weird seeing raumdeuter here tho but after checking his post history,I realize say no be only ball baba sabi ooo
Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by Ritchiee: 7:31pm On Nov 13, 2015
superstar1:


I am not a politician.

Try to understand what I am saying. I did not use the word propaganda to debunk the report.

I am only telling you that the politicians are majorly responsible for the over bloated recurrent expenditure, which is not a true reflection of the actual recurrent expenditure.
okay,bruv.
Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by zimoni(f): 7:36pm On Nov 13, 2015
Aareonakakanfo:



It looks weird seeing raumdeuter here tho but after checking his post history,I realize say no be only ball baba sabi ooo

I don't want to mention his old moniker but low-key(according to Aare), have you heard of dayokanu? He's a vet here.
Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by raumdeuter: 7:40pm On Nov 13, 2015
Aareonakakanfo:
It looks weird seeing raumdeuter here tho but after checking his post history,I realize say no be only ball baba sabi ooo

I used to be Dayokanu but changed it after Germany won the world cup because of a vow I made to honor Thomas Muller.
I announced the change of Name on the Bayern thread around July last year
On Politics, I used to be a legend in these part. I burnt down the whole place rebuilt it and burnt it down 5 times. Before taking my leave. To concentrate on Sports

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Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by raumdeuter: 7:43pm On Nov 13, 2015
Our problems in the SW are many but it depends on which aspect you want to look at it from

Ask your questions and I would give my opinions though I am not on ground in Nigeria, I am very perceptive and know whats going on to a large extent
Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by Nobody: 7:44pm On Nov 13, 2015
raumdeuter:


I used to be Dayokanu but changed it after Germany won the world cup because of a vow I made to honor Thomas Muller.
I announced the change of Name on the Bayern thread around July last year
On Politics, I used to be a legend in these part. I burnt down the whole place rebuilt it and burnt it down 5 times. Before taking my leave. To concentrate on Sports






Ah Agbawo to n fi ase momi grin grin You're welcome.

We wan dey see you for here everyday ooo.Anyways I'll always come to the sport section to drag you grin grin

No more football for you grin
Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by superstar1(m): 7:45pm On Nov 13, 2015
raumdeuter:


I used to be Dayokanu but changed it after Germany won the world cup because of a vow I made to honor Thomas Muller.
I announced the change of Name on the Bayern thread around July last year
On Politics, I used to be a legend in these part. I burnt down the whole place rebuilt it and burnt it down 5 times. Before taking my leave. To concentrate on Sports

The legendary dayokanu!!!!!

The albatross of the clowns from the of the Niger.

The Achilles heels of the jokers from lab o red mud

The slayer of the comedian from the land of gully erosion

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Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by raumdeuter: 7:46pm On Nov 13, 2015
Aareonakakanfo:
Ah Agbawo to n fi ase momi grin grin You're welcome.

We wan dey see you for here everyday ooo.Anyways I'll always come to the sport section to drag you grin grin

No more football for you grin

Sport is easy to discuss. Its universal it makes people happy and it makes me happy seeing my Bayern Munich win
Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by Nobody: 7:50pm On Nov 13, 2015
raumdeuter:
Our problems in the SW are many but it depends on which aspect you want to look at it from

Ask your questions and I would give my opinions though I am not on ground in Nigeria, I am very perceptive and know whats going on to a large extent



What do you think about the Budgit statistics that were released yesterday.Look at the thread

https://www.nairaland.com/2732630/latest-ranking-states-financial-sustainability/2#39961032
Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by raumdeuter: 7:50pm On Nov 13, 2015
superstar1:
The legendary dayokanu!!!!!

The albatross of the clowns from the of the Niger.

The Achilles heels of the jokers from lab o red mud

The slayer of the comedian from the land of gully erosion

Na you dey reign now. I took my leave and many others too did around the same time like Katsumoto, Rhino.5dm, etc
Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by Nobody: 7:53pm On Nov 13, 2015
superstar1:


The legendary dayokanu!!!!!

The albatross of the clowns from the of the Niger.

The Achilles heels of the jokers from lab o red mud

The slayer of the comedian from the land of gully erosion

I never knew he was this famous here oo,A ma n pade dada ni sports section and he never told me anything
Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by modath(f): 7:59pm On Nov 13, 2015
Shymm3x:


However, are they really building infrastructures that can generate/create wealth? I'll probably give Lagos a pass here cos of Eko Atlantic and a few other decent projects.

But can the same be said about Osun, Ekiti, Ogun, Oyo, and Ondo? Didn't Aregbe build a massive drum, despite the fact that he knows the state is broke?


[img]http://1.bp..com/-IK_Ol7aGLLY/Utkd1CL321I/AAAAAAAAAVk/v7u-vxJcNzQ/s1600/facebook-20140117-130332.png[/img]


This makes me cringe everytime i see it, takes a professor emeritus level of daftness to come up with this as "dividend of democracy"...

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Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by attacker231: 8:02pm On Nov 13, 2015
raumdeuter:


I used to be Dayokanu but changed it after Germany won the world cup because of a vow I made to honor Thomas Muller.
I announced the change of Name on the Bayern thread around July last year
On Politics, I used to be a legend in these part. I burnt down the whole place rebuilt it and burnt it down 5 times. Before taking my leave. To concentrate on Sports

I hail boss man.
Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by raumdeuter: 8:03pm On Nov 13, 2015
Aareonakakanfo:

What do you think about the Budgit statistics that were released yesterday.Look at the thread

https://www.nairaland.com/2732630/latest-ranking-states-financial-sustainability/2#39961032

The budget and debt profile is a tricky subject to approach

1 There is a disproportionate number of civil servant in the SW who just take salary and have very little input to the economy. Its also a very sensitive political issue because ofthe large number of salry earners who make a bulk of the voting population or their dependent. In the interior almost everyone in the SW is tied to some salary earner

When the govt of Bisi AKande in osun tried to do the right thing, He retired older employees and not too productive ones. People rose against him

His argument was that In a school of 60 teachers, You have 6 teachers for govt, 10 for CRK and IRK i Physics, 1 Maths 2 English 20 for Home economics

There is no way the education sector of the state would bring the needed result from the investment made to it if we spend more salary on Unproductive subjects

The people kicked against it and it became a Political issue. Needless to say He lost the election

Fayemi became governor in Ekiti his first move was education reform He gave teachers subject teachers tests in their own field and those that didnt pass were fired

E.g If you teach Physics you wer given a Physics test WAEC level and passmark was about 60% man failed. He laid them off and it became a big political issue and one of the reasons he lost to Fayose

The money Fayemi saved then, I heard he tried to use it on infrastructures in Ekiti and was roundly commended for his road projects and developmental projects but the civil servants kicked against it

At a time when Oil prices were high and income to states High, Recurrent expenditures were the like the bulk of expenses. Now when oil prices crashed states couldnt pay they had to resort to borrowing

For us to see any meaningful development in the country we need to develop other part of the economy which can employ people so everyone wont depend on civil service for employment

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Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by modath(f): 8:08pm On Nov 13, 2015
Ibebe,

From gold to dross!! You go fear dressing nah....

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Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by Nobody: 8:11pm On Nov 13, 2015
raumdeuter:


The budget and debt profile is a tricky subject to approach

1 There is a disproportionate number of civil servant in the SW who just take salary and have very little input to the economy. Its also a very sensitive political issue because ofthe large number of salry earners who make a bulk of the voting population or their dependent. In the interior almost everyone in the SW is tied to some salary earner

When the govt of Bisi AKande in osun tried to do the right thing, He retired older employees and not too productive ones. People rose against him

His argument was that In a school of 60 teachers, You have 6 teachers for govt, 10 for CRK and IRK i Physics, 1 Maths 2 English 20 for Home economics

There is no way the education sector of the state would bring the needed result from the investment made to it if we spend more salary on Unproductive subjects

The people kicked against it and it became a Political issue. Needless to say He lost the election

Fayemi became governor in Ekiti his first move was education reform He gave teachers subject teachers tests in their own field and those that didnt pass were fired

E.g If you teach Physics you wer given a Physics test WAEC level and passmark was about 60% man failed. He laid them off and it became a big political issue and one of the reasons he lost to Fayose

The money Fayemi saved then, I heard he tried to use it on infrastructures in Ekiti and was roundly commended but the civil servants kicked against it

At a time when Oil prices were high and income to states High, Recurrent expenditures were the like the bulk of expenses. Now when oil prices crashed states couldnt pay they had to resort to borrowing

For us to see any meaningful development in the country we need to develop other part of the economy which can employ people so everyone wont depend on civil service for employment


Hmmmn Oro nla! that was why I said entrpreneurship/vocations should be encouraged so that there will be more jobs in the private sector

People who are laidoff from the civil service can move to the private sector

And I thought it was fayose who did the competence test thing?

And the retirement age needs to be reduced as well
Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by raumdeuter: 8:14pm On Nov 13, 2015
Typically in Nigeria, After graduation from secondary school the smartest 10-20% go to top University, the next 20-50% to 2nd tier University and Polytechnic. the ones below find their way to college of education or drop out

The ones who drop out go into trade, blue collar and become independent quicker

A bulk of the top 50% who went to Universityand Polytechnic would graduate and cant get a private sector job so all would turn to the Pubblic sector
Hoping they get absorbed as Secondary school teachers, College of education employees, NECO workers, etc Govt jobs

Most of them are not even that smart to contribute anything but just collect the salary Because there isnt any other sector for people to work in

Also the Southwest Being one of the favourite destination of Nigerians take in more other tribes than others and some of them also join the workforce and compete with the already scarce resorce

So Aareonakakanfo, Shymexx suggest a solution

By the way my great uncle was 13th Aare ona kakanfo of Yorubaland. Aare Akintola Ajalagbe Omo Kuloodo, Yaagbo Yaaju Omo kara. Who was murdered by Ibo soldiers for exposing the truth about them

cry cry cry cry cry cry cry cry cry cry

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Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by Nobody: 8:20pm On Nov 13, 2015
raumdeuter:
Typically in Nigeria, After graduation from secondary school the smartest 10-20% go to top University, the next 20-50% to 2nd tier University and Polytechnic. the ones below find their way to college of education or drop out

The ones who drop out go into trade, blue collar and become independent quicker

A bulk of the top 50% who went to Universityand Polytechnic would graduate and cant get a private sector job so all would turn to the Pubblic sector

Hoping they get absorbed as Secondary school teachers, College of education employees, NECO workers, etc Govt jobs

Most of them are not even that smart to contribute anything but just collect the salary

Because there isnt any other sector for people to work in

Also the Southwest Being one of the favourite destination of Nigerians take in more other tribes than others and some of them also join the workforce and compete with the already scarce resorce

So Aareonakakanfo, Shymexx tell me the solution

By the way my great uncle was 13th Aare ona kakanfo of Yorubaland. Aare Akintola Ajalagbe Omo Kuloodo, Yaagbo Yaaju Omo kara. Who was murdered by Ibo soldiers for exposing the truth about them

cry cry cry cry cry cry cry cry cry cry


We actually discussed the migration thing and we couldn't come up with any solution.We're still in Nigeria

Shymm3x came up with a gutsy idea like what Abia state did to workers from other south-east states but we all know how
things are viewed in this country.We all remember what happened when Fashola sent some destitutes home.

As per the emboldened, e be like say we go gats contact Seun to give you this Aareonakakanfo moniker
Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by Nobody: 8:28pm On Nov 13, 2015
I don't think a solution on that migration issue should be discussed on a public forum due to non-yoruba presence.Also DAWN have recognised that net migration to the SW is a serious issue.Personally I think whatever policies should be subtle ones..so folks can't point to it.How are whites are able to ensure African Americans don't move into their areas in large amounts beyond violence?...don't the same Yorubas says its difficult to buy land in those folks region?...as I was telling a Yoruba guy...as long as Yorubas continue selling lands to those folks and being ever willing to welcome them...they will always have issues with them.You make your environment unwelcoming to folks you don't desire through subtle tactics.

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Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by WIZGUY69(m): 8:36pm On Nov 13, 2015
Ritchiee:
No,he did not jazz them as an elderly person told me and even took me to Osun to see some of what Aregbesola did.They really believe in him o.I think he had great Ideas but did not know how to go by doing them because of lack of funds but that 52bn debt is outrageous.


These are some of his projects that I got from State of Osun's website...


List of Boundary Highways
Project Name Route Length(km) Status
Osogbo-Imesi Ile Osogbo-Ibokun-Imesi Ile 42 On-going
Ikirun-Ilale Rd Ikirun-Otan Ayegbaju-Ila-Ilale KWSB 57.64 On-going
Gbongan-Ajegunle -Rd Gbongan-Odeyinka-Orile Owu-Araromi Owu-Ajegunle 44.43 On-going
Osogbo-Ila Odo Rd Osogbo-Ikirun-Ila Odo 36.85 On-going
Ede-Ejigbo Ede-Awo-Iragberi-Ejigbo-OYSB 30.7 On-going
Ejigbo-Oguro Ejigbo-Aye-Oguro 14.40 On-going
Total Length 226.02km

The only Pix there is that of Gbongan-Odeyinka-Orile-Owu-Ajegunle road project which is on going...CHAI.


I won't debunk the fact that he didn't do anything in osun as par Infrastructure o. this is 21st century
but what am saying is that ; osun isn't ripe for the project he was and still embarking on. he just created the avenue for his political opponents and outsider to ridicule osun state. for example what will talking drum do to the people of osun state? why building airport with the longest runway? for what reason?
Aregbesola met osun as a non viable economic state.
what he should have done is to woo And create room for investors. reduce the civil work force (heard they have the highest number of civil servant after Lagos).

the man really lost it big time.
before you borrow money, ask yourself if you have the financial capacity to pay back.

mcheeew

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Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by raumdeuter: 8:37pm On Nov 13, 2015
Aareonakakanfo:



We actually discussed the migration thing and we couldn't come up with any solution.We're still in Nigeria

Shymm3x came up with a gutsy idea like what Abia state did to workers from other south-east states but we all know how
things are viewed in this country.We all remember what happened when Fashola sent some destitutes home.

As per the emboldened, e be like say we go gats contact Seun to give you this Aareonakakanfo moniker



You keep the monicker. It suits you well as I am more a Sports person now

Read this link

https://www.nairaland.com/1374634/ladipo-traders-rampage/7#17078772
Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by zimoni(f): 8:39pm On Nov 13, 2015
Aareonakakanfo:


I never knew he was this famous here oo,A ma n pade dada ni sports section and he never told me anything

Hahahahaahahahah

Egbon, you don't know dayokanu? He's a Kabiyesi. Ekun oko awon omo Igbo. One man riot that used to give flateeno a run for their money. He's been here since 2005 or 2006. He's a Vet.

Many people have left. Politics section is no longer interesting anymore since veterans left. Smallies and I-POD youths have taken over now.

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Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by raumdeuter: 8:43pm On Nov 13, 2015
quimicababes:
I don't think a solution on that migration issue should be discussed on a public forum due to non-yoruba presence.Also DAWN have recognised that net migration to the SW is a serious issue.Personally I think whatever policies should be subtle ones..so folks can't point to it.How are whites are able to ensure African Americans don't move into their areas in large amounts beyond violence?...don't the same Yorubas says its difficult to buy land in those folks region?...as I was telling a Yoruba guy...as long as Yorubas continue selling lands to those folks and being ever willing to welcome them...they will always have issues with them.You make your environment unwelcoming to folks you don't desire through subtle tactics.

One of our problems in Yoruba is the pseudo intellectual and Political correctness we always claim

In the real Nigeria, everyone is blatantly tribalistic and in your face about it but Yorubas would want to claim sophistication about it

There is nothing sophisticated about not protecting your land.

I served in the North and have travelled a few times to the east. They make it clear from the beginning that you are a foreigner and your rights are limited here period. If you dont like it bounce. Abia state govt confidently sacked all non indigenes in the state workforce. Thats a bold move

Go on youtube, if you understand Yoruba well go and listen to Akintola speech in 1964. I have interpreted it in English on Nairaland in the past and wont do again

I dont want to be dragged back to NL politics. Let me stay watching my Bayern Munich

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Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by Nobody: 8:48pm On Nov 13, 2015
raumdeuter:


You keep the monicker. It suits you well as I am more a Sports person now

Read this link

https://www.nairaland.com/1374634/ladipo-traders-rampage/7#17078772


Hmmmn Eye opening stuff there maaan.Eye opening stuff.

I would have posted it here but I don't want us to digress

Baba saw the future but some called it tribalism.

I've always said it that these characters are smart.Once you speak out against them,they start playing victim and that you're jealous of them and blabla and they do it well unfortunately people fall for it

So would you suggest South-west governors go hard on them? since the issue is affecting our people while their region remains stable
Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by WIZGUY69(m): 8:48pm On Nov 13, 2015
raumdeuter:


Na you dey reign now. I took my leave and many others too did around the same time like Katsumoto, Rhino.5dm, etc


I remember dayokanu handle very well.

oko awon omo nna grin
those days, who be ipob youth
how many iboes are member of nairaland sef. cool
Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by uniklinkum(m): 8:49pm On Nov 13, 2015
raumdeuter:


I used to be Dayokanu but changed it after Germany won the world cup because of a vow I made to honor Thomas Muller.
I announced the change of Name on the Bayern thread around July last year
On Politics, I used to be a legend in these part. I burnt down the whole place rebuilt it and burnt it down 5 times. Before taking my leave. To concentrate on Sports

Iba baba olori oko ekun awon omo irankiran omo Igbo.. May your reign be long and keep the red mud hellhole burning.

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Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by Shymm3x: 8:49pm On Nov 13, 2015
raumdeuter:

The budget and debt profile is a tricky subject to approach

1 There is a disproportionate number of civil servant in the SW who just take salary and have very little input to the economy. Its also a very sensitive political issue because ofthe large number of salry earners who make a bulk of the voting population or their dependent. In the interior almost everyone in the SW is tied to some salary earner

When the govt of Bisi AKande in osun tried to do the right thing, He retired older employees and not too productive ones. People rose against him

His argument was that In a school of 60 teachers, You have 6 teachers for govt, 10 for CRK and IRK i Physics, 1 Maths 2 English 20 for Home economics

There is no way the education sector of the state would bring the needed result from the investment made to it if we spend more salary on Unproductive subjects

The people kicked against it and it became a Political issue. Needless to say He lost the election

Fayemi became governor in Ekiti his first move was education reform He gave teachers subject teachers tests in their own field and those that didnt pass were fired

E.g If you teach Physics you wer given a Physics test WAEC level and passmark was about 60% man failed. He laid them off and it became a big political issue and one of the reasons he lost to Fayose

The money Fayemi saved then, I heard he tried to use it on infrastructures in Ekiti and was roundly commended for his road projects and developmental projects but the civil servants kicked against it

At a time when Oil prices were high and income to states High, Recurrent expenditures were the like the bulk of expenses. Now when oil prices crashed states couldnt pay they had to resort to borrowing

For us to see any meaningful development in the country we need to develop other part of the economy which can employ people so everyone wont depend on civil service for employment

Brilliant input.

However, before we heap the blame solely on those working in the civil service - I think it will be better to know the total number of workers employed by the state and the cumulative wages they earn monthly vis-a-vis the recurrent expenditure, to determine the actual percentage they contribute to the recurrent expenditure.

Also, what other aspect of government spending contributes to recurrent expenditure in the Nigerian context?

I agree that Nigeria's excessive dependence on oil is a big problem. Ditto the structure of the country. And like I posited in the past: Nigeria is a poor country cos the money the country makes from oil is too meagre to cater effectively to the huge population. However, that doesn't absolve these governors from blame. You can't run a government on deficit and the beauty of good governance is about being proactive, prudent, and the ability to make the electorate feel the impact of effective governance. Once you start running a deficit and incurring unnecessary debts - with nothing to show for it - it is only matter of time before everything will come crashing down.

Furthermore, I'm sure there are a lot state departments/ministries that are dormant and are really of no use...why can't they scrap them?

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