Godsfamilymemba:
Atheists demonstrate irrational-thinking more often than they would like to admit.

In fact, the decision to read this topic NOW may be more emotional than rational.

Atheists talk rationality when discussing religion whereas every single day they either make or are influenced by others or certain conditions to make irrational decisions. Rationality does not always mean correct or even appropriate.

• Atheists are not exempt from the power of suggestion used in marketing. They can choose a product of lesser quality over that of higher just because the former is better packaged or the seller appears more presentable and confident.

• Many atheists would rather patronize a retail store where staffs are friendly and better in communication although less knowledgeable than a store where staffs are cold and lack good communication skills although (unknown to the atheist) they can be more helpful.

• Rational thinking tends to be selfish and self-centred in outlook to life and relationships, yet many atheists who don't have neuro-psychosocial disorders like autism and antisocial personality disorders take the irrational, rather emotional part of kindness and desire.
(A study shows that people with 'mild' autism are more likely to be atheists. Their "rationalism" leading to atheism is influenced by their health problem not just by rational thinking.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2039690/Atheism-autism-Controversial-new-study-points-link-two.html)

• Suicide seems more logical in a trouble-laden world, especially when you don't believe in life after death, hell, a God who doesn't want you to take your life or existence of spiritual worlds--- yet atheists fight for their lives.

•However, in clinical depression (which puts people in irrational, emotional state), a study published in American Journal of Psychiatry says religiously unaffiliated people are more likely to commit suicide.
There is no need to prove that people who have suicidal ideation (thoughts) may have "logical reasons" which becomes irrational to them with the benefit of hindsight (that is, looking back later in life at why they thought about suicide)

• The same study mentioned above clearly states that certain irrational attributes are found more among religiously unaffiliated people. I quote,
"In terms of clinical characteristics, religiously unaffiliated subjects had more lifetime impulsivity, aggression, and past substance use disorder."
http://ajp.psychiatryonline.org/doi/abs/10.1176/appi.ajp.161.12.2303


In an article titled "Rationality is over-rated: Just ask Intuitive Scientists" (from which some information below were extracted and contains many useful information) Douglas Todd noted that:
non-rational realities like intuitions, emotions, imaginations, the unconscious and creativity itself – are just as real, if not more so, than many things understood through rationality alone.

Albert Einstein once said,
“Imagination is more important than knowledge. For knowledge is limited to all we now know and understand, while imagination embraces the entire world, and all there ever will be to know and understand.”

Prof. Dan Ryan, a sociologist at Mills College in California, says: “If rationality is all it’s cracked up to be,” there shouldn't be so much of disagreements. Instead, “rational experts often disagree.”

http://blogs.vancouversun.com/2012/05/05/what-good-scientists-know-intuition-crucial-as-rationality/

• It is irrational to BELIEVE that God doesn't exist without a prove. That we cannot prove something reveals our own limitations; it doesn't rule out the authenticity of claim. What is rational is to consider the possibility of the existence or none-existence of God.

• Several drugs are in use today that all we know is their effects, we cannot as yet prove why they work neither can we currently prove that their adverse reactions will not be devastating to humanity on the long run, yet "rational" people who claim there is no God because it cannot be scientifically proven will use them.

Researches have shown that humans-atheists or not- make more emotional decisions and act illogically than we realize because we are more than logical, rational beings. In fact, to insist that if something is not absolutely logical, it should be discarded is to live in denial. Science has proven that the function of half of the brain of even people making such statements is not logical.

Pyrrho:
Every animal, intelligent or unintelligent, would do as you claim atheist do.

Even a dog would prefer someone who treats him better, baiting an animal is the oldest method of hunting.

Would you say a dog has faith because he expects milk in his plates?

Survival is a basic instinct in animals.

What is so special about your claim?

Godsfamilymemba:


To atheists we believe their faith in rationality makes them different from those whose have faith in God. This article simply says atheists are not as rational as they think. They are actually thinking more narrowly than humans are designed to think when it comes to religion.

Pyrrho:
I disagree with you on this one.

Atheist are mostly sceptics, people who sought to understand more. They aren't willing to settle for some primitive write-ups of alien cultures as authoritative submissions.

Being religious is actually easier than being an atheist in this part of the world especially.

Accepting that no one has answers beyond this existence is a bitter pill to swallow.

I respect atheists. They are never as dogmatic as theists.
It isn't really a show of intelligence for agnostics like me to present our arguments, it is mostly to refute theistic claims.

It is not about being better, it isn't a matter of pride.

Godsfamilymemba:


Emmm, my write up has been influenced by the type of atheists I have met, including on Nairaland. They are as closed-minded to reasons different from theirs as any religious fundamentalist can be.

I tell them that it is unreasonable to say there is no God just because you don't have the capacity to prove whether or not God exists. In other words, their believe is as irrational- if not more- as they like to claim religious people are.

Godsfamilymemba:


Emmm, my write up has been influenced by the type of atheists I have met, including on Nairaland. They are as closed-minded to reasons different from theirs as any religious fundamentalist can be.

I tell them that it is unreasonable to say there is no God just because you don't have the capacity to prove whether or not God exists. In other words, their believe is as irrational- if not more- as they like to claim religious people are.

Pyrrho:

Many are agnostic-atheist, all God claims cannot be substantiated and should therefore be discarded as truth.

Godsfamilymemba:


• Many atheists would rather patronize a retail store where staffs are friendly and better in communication although less knowledgeable than a store where staffs are cold and lack good communication skills [size=18pt]although (unknown to the atheist) they can be more helpful.[/size]

Godsfamilymemba:


• Suicide seems more logical in a trouble-laden world, especially when you don't believe in life after death, hell, a God who doesn't want you to take your life or existence of spiritual worlds--- yet atheists fight for their lives.

Godsfamilymemba:
Atheists demonstrate irrational-thinking more often than they would like to admit.

In fact, the decision to read this topic NOW may be more emotional than rational.

Atheists talk rationality when discussing religion whereas every single day they either make or are influenced by others or certain conditions to make irrational decisions. Rationality does not always mean correct or even appropriate.

• Atheists are not exempt from the power of suggestion used in marketing. They can choose a product of lesser quality over that of higher just because the former is better packaged or the seller appears more presentable and confident.

• Many atheists would rather patronize a retail store where staffs are friendly and better in communication although less knowledgeable than a store where staffs are cold and lack good communication skills although (unknown to the atheist) they can be more helpful.

• Rational thinking tends to be selfish and self-centred in outlook to life and relationships, yet many atheists who don't have neuro-psychosocial disorders like autism and antisocial personality disorders take the irrational, rather emotional part of kindness and desire.
(A study shows that people with 'mild' autism are more likely to be atheists. Their "rationalism" leading to atheism is influenced by their health problem not just by rational thinking.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2039690/Atheism-autism-Controversial-new-study-points-link-two.html)

• Suicide seems more logical in a trouble-laden world, especially when you don't believe in life after death, hell, a God who doesn't want you to take your life or existence of spiritual worlds--- yet atheists fight for their lives.

•However, in clinical depression (which puts people in irrational, emotional state), a study published in American Journal of Psychiatry says religiously unaffiliated people are more likely to commit suicide.
There is no need to prove that people who have suicidal ideation (thoughts) may have "logical reasons" which becomes irrational to them with the benefit of hindsight (that is, looking back later in life at why they thought about suicide)

• The same study mentioned above clearly states that certain irrational attributes are found more among religiously unaffiliated people. I quote,
"In terms of clinical characteristics, religiously unaffiliated subjects had more lifetime impulsivity, aggression, and past substance use disorder."
http://ajp.psychiatryonline.org/doi/abs/10.1176/appi.ajp.161.12.2303


In an article titled "Rationality is over-rated: Just ask Intuitive Scientists" (from which some information below were extracted and contains many useful information) Douglas Todd noted that:
non-rational realities like intuitions, emotions, imaginations, the unconscious and creativity itself – are just as real, if not more so, than many things understood through rationality alone.

Albert Einstein once said,
“Imagination is more important than knowledge. For knowledge is limited to all we now know and understand, while imagination embraces the entire world, and all there ever will be to know and understand.”

Prof. Dan Ryan, a sociologist at Mills College in California, says: “If rationality is all it’s cracked up to be,” there shouldn't be so much of disagreements. Instead, “rational experts often disagree.”

http://blogs.vancouversun.com/2012/05/05/what-good-scientists-know-intuition-crucial-as-rationality/

• It is irrational to BELIEVE that God doesn't exist without a prove. That we cannot prove something reveals our own limitations; it doesn't rule out the authenticity of claim. What is rational is to consider the possibility of the existence or none-existence of God.

• Several drugs are in use today that all we know is their effects, we cannot as yet prove why they work neither can we currently prove that their adverse reactions will not be devastating to humanity on the long run, yet "rational" people who claim there is no God because it cannot be scientifically proven will use them.

Researches have shown that humans-atheists or not- make more emotional decisions and act illogically than we realize because we are more than logical, rational beings. In fact, to insist that if something is not absolutely logical, it should be discarded is to live in denial. Science has proven that the function of half of the brain of even people making such statements is not logical.

Weah96:


Don't kill me with laff. Mind reading and atheism are two different things. Which kyn retail store dichotomy is dis one sef? Are you telling me that you will do business in a store where all the agents are either mute or slow?

finofaya:
I don't concur with much of your OP but at least you agree that it is rational to consider the possibility that God does not exist. I don't think you would agree that it is rational to consider for example the possibility that the thing we call our Sun does not exist. I think this tells us something about the nature of the so called God.

onetrack:
Atheists are not robots. Humans are irrational by nature. No surprise that atheists can be irrational or emotional. But it does not mean that I believe in any god.

Godsfamilymemba:

But to hold on to uncertainty and not try at all is also being closed-minded.

winner01:
Its a thing not to believe or be unsure of the reality of God, most atheists seem to have unfaltering evidence against God, and they demonstrate confidence to this in a very unintelligent way.


"An atheist is someone who is certain that God does not exist, someone who has compelling evidence against the existence of God. I know of no such compelling evidence." - Carl Sagan

dalaman:


But Carl Sagan himself did not believe in any of the man made Gods that you guys believe in.

winner01:
Yes, and i made no such claim either.

dalaman:


The gospel writers are your God. These are the God you believe in.

dalaman:


The gospel writers are your God. If you can point to any God that claims he owns any gospel as his message then you might be taken seriously, until then just accept that the dead men that wrote the gospels are your God. You have no God but the dead men that wrote the bible and perhaps your pastors and other religious leaders that constantly interpret the books and create doctrines out of what was written by the dead men. These are the God you believe in.

winner01:

Ok na, how many pages of the same argument do you want us to go today.


I havent tried and probably wont try to prove the reality of God to you or anyone, it will only make you feel significant and you arn't.

"Maybe the atheist cannot find God for the same reason a thief cannot find a policeman." - Laurence J. Peter

dalaman:


You can't try anything at all because you just can't, why should you try to prove what you can't? You can't prove the reality of any God to me anywhere because there isn't any God, when was the last time you tried to prove the reality of the existence of the sun to anybody?

winner01:
God is invisible, the sun is visible. Maybe you should try to prove the existence of the human mind to me, how it looks like, where it is located in the human body and why so many people believe its existence.

Also tell me how many humans have attempted to explain to softwares that they created it. Even though the God-man relationship is far more superior than the man-software relationship.

Also tell us if its logical for a creator to transform to the created in order to prove anything whatsoever to his creation.
Is it that you only believe in the visible and disregard or disbelieve the invisible or you find it difficult to submit under a higher authority because of your personal experiences.
Finally, try to provide your "compelling evidence" against the existence of God.
And be reasonable in your reply.

dalaman:


But Carl Sagan himself did not believe in any of the man made Gods that you guys believe in.

dalaman:


The mind is the sum total of all the neurological activities that go on in the human brain. You can't reason or do anything without the brain.

Godsfamilymemba:


These two statements are absolutely wrong. Please read up on them and don't use such as argument. You will not hear experts in the field making such statements except in mischief.

Godsfamilymemba:


These are not just my ideas. Most of them are research based and are logical. Which ones are you against and what is your basis for the disagreement.

dalaman:


What is the mind? Is the mind something that exist on it's own outside the function of the brain?