[quote author=wadetaw202 post=42021967]

Where did you get your idea of the catholic church worshipping Mary? You found out by yourself or what they told you? It is only a blind goat that will believe anything without first personally finding out whether it is true or not. As far as you are concerned? So it is not even the Holy Spirit telling you that, it is your blind, limited, carnal and unreasonable human spirit.[/quote

Lool so much tears and insult and you think you are passing a message? Sorry ehn

franciskaine:
ur post seeks attention, but that you won't get.

My dear if I wanted attention I know how to get it. Don't feel pained the truth is always bitter especially when it has to do with something you are passionate about. Seek God and stop practising religion.

TedBaker:
A prophet is nt honored in his own country.

Those Who Are Involve In Politics

prettyprecy:


Cry me a river dear.... I understand how you feel when your brain can't come up with anything intelligent and u resolve to insult to save face.

I don't have your time

wadetaw202:


17 years ke? How?

6 years junior seminary
1 Apostolic work
1 Spiritual year
4 Years of philosophy
1 Apostolic work
4 Years Theology
All these if there was no extension due to bad conduct or academic problems else it will reach 20 years or more.

Duru009:
Rev. Mbaka cannt never be tranfer

he will rater set up his own ministry......

and who told u he doesnt have his own ministry @adoration ministry enugu nigeria( amen)

wadetaw202:


If you must know Mr, the catholic church is not like your church where your GOs preside for million years over just one church. In the catholic church, the priest is transfered after 5 years in a parish.

But the head of the Catholic church (pope) also presides until he dies. So, where's the difference? Don't mistake me for a Pentecostal Christian. I'm proudly Baptist where our own equivalence of ur Pope or their own GO can only preside for a maximum of two tenures.

vicstar:




From your comment, I sense it in you I pray become a pastor some day. Say amen to dat

I don't need to be a pastor before i can become a preacher of truth each and every one of us preaches in our own unique way.

assuming he was on the side of PDP during the election he would have been called a true man of God. Now that he stood by the truth, Igbos have transfered him.....what a backward ethnic group

prettyprecy:


My dear if I wanted attention I know how to get it. Don't feel pained the truth is always bitter especially when it has to do with something you are passionate about. Seek God and stop practising religion.

okay

wadetaw202:


If you must know Mr, the catholic church is not like your church where your GOs preside for million years over just one church. In the catholic church, the priest is transfered after 5 years in a parish.

if u wnt to be fool go ahead and blasphem. All churches are equal and God is the head. Pls as a catholic b4 u try preachin anytin abt purity in church u shld 1st read vatican 1,2,3 n i bliv u will many questns 4 ur bishops.

4 all u fools (igbo pple) i can see the profile name of those who quoted me in d likes of "chi.., nwa.., goz..., obi.., nne" all igbos. I see Mbaka as a man of God n nufin less, i dnt need u to tell he is fake how can u be one pple when a man of see a prophecy n say it, u start callin him fake because he did nt say an Igbo man will be president or he's prophecy dnt say Biafra is real, and he is one of u (Ndigbo). One of the quote portray oda churches as superior n makin reference to GOs n me bein yoruba, FYI am nt yoruba bt yoruba's are ppl i admire, deir resilience, brilliance and unity wich u might neva neva attain. If u cnt use the brainz God gave jst sharap. Foolz
Mods i await.

PerfectlyPerfect:


I've been reading posts here nd been coming upon yours steady.
there's something you don't understand. in the catholic church, priests r posted to parishes for a period of time, usually 5 years or 6.
after that time they're transferred to another parish. it doesn't matter if you single-handedly built ur parish, you'll still b transferred when the time comes.

That is not the point I was trying to bring out. Him being posted or not as regards the method of operation in Catholic church is not the base of arguement.
Him painting other church and the system in which other leaders are produced black and claiming the system through which the priests are trained as white is something I kicked against.

sanky346:
He should set up his own ministry. A man of his stature and following shouldn't have problem with having his own autonomous church.

you think this is Pentecostal church where 'pastors ' will just be doing whatever they like ba

wadetaw202:


What happened to him?

Which parish or bishop is he under?

TedBaker:

if u wnt to be fool go ahead and blasphem. All churches are equal and God is the head. Pls as a catholic b4 u try preachin anytin abt purity in church u shld 1st read vatican 1,2,3 n i bliv u will many questns 4 ur bishops.

You are an eeediot. The church doesn't use Vatican 1 anymore. And do you know the conclusion of Vatican 3? It teaches me to tolerate other people of other religions, saying that I should not reject them even if I dont believe in what they preach. So, what is your problem?

sanky346:
He should set up his own ministry. A man of his stature and following shouldn't have problem with having his own autonomous church.

D evil voice of schism, Protestantism & pentecostalism speaks. D spirit of non submission & non servum (I will nt serve), Dis is d same attitude dt got lucifer & his angelic allies cast down 4rm heaven. Dts my problem wt pentecostal & protestants. Any little disagreement dt crops up among dem, every man decides 2 go & 'establish' his own church. Every Tom, dïck & Harry wants 2 b called "daddy G. O" (1 of D signs of phariseeism; d love of titles & men kowtowing 2 dem). Dey claim 2 have d Bible as their sole authority yet dey forget dt 1 of D longest prayers Jesus ever said was 4 his followers 2 b 1 as He & d Father r 1. Wt d way pentecostal 'churches' r springing up left, right & Centre, does it symbolize d type of 1ness dt Jesus & God share? Anyway, I don't blame dem. Dey r only reaping 4rm d seeds of rebellion & disobedience sown 4rm d days of Martin Luther. It can't b helped; a movement born out of disobedience, discord & inability 2 submit 2 higher spiritual authority wld continue 2 experience such until d end of tym. D truth is dt Protestantism was born of rebellion 2 D 1 true church established by our Lord & Savior Jesus Christ when he said "Simon bar Jonah, thou art Peter & on dis rock I wld build MY church & d gates of hell shall not prevail against It". As in d case of David when he killed Uriah, D sword neva left his house. So is it wt dem. Pentecostalism rebelled 4rm Protestantism & nw in almost pentecostal church dere is a battle 4 supremacy & @ d slightest offense, a pastor packs up his Bible & goes 2 establish his own church taking along wt him gullible followers. Dis cycle wld continue 2 repeat itself until dey all repent of their rebellion & return back 2 their mother church (Catholic church). If fr. Mbaka were 2 b a true man of God, he wld nt do dt. Why? because @ his ordination, he took a vow of chastity, celibacy, poverty & obedience 2 D Church. He was reposted 4rm a parish he has been wt 4 many years & made 2 flourish so what? Let him carry dt same spirit dt he used 2 grow his parish & apply it 2 wherever he's posted 2 even if it's washing toilet. His service is 2 God nt man. Quality of service rendered 2 God is nt directly proportional 2 D position 1 occupies on church.

emmasege:
But the head of the Catholic church (pope) also presides until he dies. So, where's the difference? Don't mistake me for a Pentecostal Christian. I'm proudly Baptist where our own equivalence of ur Pope or their own GO can only preside for a maximum of two tenures.

Use your head Mr. The pope is only one person and he has his residence at Vatican city. So, he can't leave his residence. He was not born a pope; he was also a priest and was transferred around like any other priest before he became a pope.

[quote author=prettyprecy post=42032686][/quote]



Dont run away from the poo you have released like the gullible soul that you are. Show me clearly here where you saw the catholic church worshipping Mary. Did you see it or they told you and you swallowed the story hook, line and sinker, like a fooooool who can't use his own head to think?

vooks:

They practice necromancy and idolatry like there is no tomorrow.

They told you or you experienced it? You are big eeeediot! Your empty money-loving pastors know the best way to attract new members is to just abuse catholic and other churches and you the members are so steupid you will never find out if what they said is true or not, but you just swallow it all like unreasonable dolts. Did you experience it or they told you?

Dcaliphate:

Im not against your church or how it choses to stand, your idea of 'commercializing Christianity' by pentecostal churches is not what i will want to argue out with you, i wouldnt want to share in ur myopia. All im saying is, if u guys frustrate Mbaka too much and he decides to leave the catholic church, it wont in anyway hinder his ministry or make him any less than he is.

Your statement shows you are actually the myopic fellow here. Unfortunately, your myopic state will never allow you to realise how deeply myopic you are.

homesteady:


Oga I'm also a Catholic, but one thing I hate is when Catholics always accuse Pentecostal churches of money issues when Catholic Churches are not in anyway better.

You are even ignorant on how things works! There is a percentage that would be remitted to the Bishop from both Offerings and Harvests! How do you think the Diocese run their daily activities?
In Which Organized Church with branches that the members are not in the know of their financial activities? In Kano Diocese, the Priest is the sole signatory to the Church account! Thats why whenever they are about to be transferred to another church, they would clear the whole account! My Mother was always in the Finance committee, so I always get 1st hand gist. I remember many years back when I was still an Alter Server, we gave the Priest our money to hold, When he was transferred, na so our money follow am go!


That was how during Harvest/thanksgiving period in the Cathedral some years back, they were doing thanksgiving procession for European clubs fans Chaiii!

You guys should stop been hypocrites, clear the wood in your eye before doing so for your neighbor.

Dont feed me with your crap. Who prevented you from reporting the priest to his bishop? You guys decided to be taken for a ride and you were taken for a ride.

Who told you that you can't report a priest to his bishop if he is permitting any nonsense thanksgiving in his church? You decided to be rubbed with sh.it and you got rubbed big time. So, cover your head and cry to your own shame.

kepal99:


Wharefa!
Just don't curse other religious leaders. The truth is, there are so many bad pastors out there but there are good ones as well. There are so many disciplined Catholic priests and there are so many indisciplined ones too.

I only called them money-loving pastors and that is not curse...just stating a fact. Or can you explain the morality behind a pastor having 4 jets while many members of his church can't eat more than once in a day and can't even pay school fees?

wadetaw202:


You are an eeediot. The church doesn't use Vatican 1 anymore. And do you know the conclusion of Vatican 3? It teaches me to tolerate other people of other religions, saying that I should not reject them even if I dont believe in what they preach. So, what is your problem?

fool, u respect oda religion, wat bout fellow christians non catholics. Bein confused is nt so eazy.

avalontony:


even if they spend 100 years in the seminary and their names are not found in the book of life......they will be cast into the lake of fire.

Who told u dt d names of priests r nt in d book of lyf? D fact is dt an average Catholic priest has sacrificed more in his pursuit of God than their Protestant & pentecostal counterparts. His sexuality, physical & material comforts r sacrificed in his service 2 God. He is lyk d man in d parable who finds a treasure in a field, hides it & sells all his possessions 2 acquire it. However dis is nt enuf on its own 2 guarantee his salvation ultimately he has 2 work out his salvation wt fear & trembling lyk d rest of us. Bt by virtue of their rigorous training in d seminary, if dey stay true 2 wt dey were taught there 2 D point of death , dey shld b able 2 attain heaven. D same way adeboye, Kumuyi, olukoya & even D pope r nt automatically assured of heaven despite their positions in church. Bt 2 b honest, Catholic priests seem more humble than most so called MOGs. U don't c their pics splashed on posters & billboards advertising miracles & breakthrough.

wadetaw202:


They told you or you experienced it? You are big eeeediot! Your empty money-loving pastors know the best way to attract new members is to just abuse catholic and other churches and you the members are so steupid you will never find out if what they said is true or not, but you just swallow it all like unreasonable dolts. Did you experience it or they told you?

M0ron,
Isn't it self-evident?
They pray to dead people like Mary, Paul ......
They built elaborate shrines to idols

wadetaw202:


Your statement shows you are actually the myopic fellow here. Unfortunately, your myopic state will never allow you to realise how deeply myopic you are.

Hahahaha, relax jare.

wadetaw202:


I only called them money-loving pastors and that is not curse...just stating a fact. Or can you explain the morality behind a pastor having 4 jets while many members of his church can't eat more than once in a day and can't even pay school fees?

I don't own a private jet so I can't say why someone should own 4 private jets. At the same time, I ask you: who are you to judge?
Am sure your disciplined priests have taught you not to judge anyone.
Even Vatican city was rocked by a scandal last year.
So my guy... We all striving towards perfection. No one is perfect neither is anyone a saint.
If you had the opportunity to live in thesame room with 'some' of these priests, you will understand better.

gemale:

Who told u dt d names of priests r nt in d book of lyf? D fact is dt an average Catholic priest has sacrificed more in his pursuit of God than their Protestant & pentecostal counterparts. His sexuality, physical & material comforts r sacrificed in his service 2 God. He is lyk d man in d parable who finds a treasure in a field, hides it & sells all his possessions 2 acquire it. However dis is nt enuf on its own 2 guarantee his salvation ultimately he has 2 work out his salvation wt fear & trembling lyk d rest of us. Bt by virtue of their rigorous training in d seminary, if dey stay true 2 wt dey were taught there 2 D point of death , dey shld b able 2 attain heaven. D same way adeboye, Kumuyi, olukoya & even D pope r nt automatically assured of heaven despite their positions in church. Bt 2 b honest, Catholic priests seem more humble than most so called MOGs. U don't c their pics splashed on posters & billboards advertising miracles & breakthrough.

Even Soldiers with all the trainings sometimes flee in time of battle.
Catholic priests are humble, live a simple life doesn't make them a bit better than the pentecostal leaders.
Don't mix things up.
Nigeria doesn't support gay/lesbianism doesn't meant they don't exist in Nigeria.
A priest can go through the whole training and still fall for simple temptation the next day.


*Bt 2 b honest, Catholic priests seem more humble than most so called MOGs. U don't c their pics splashed on posters & billboards advertising miracles & breakthrough. [/quote]

Fr Mbaka comes to mind. He seems to be more concerned about Nigeria politics of late.
If it were a pentecostal pastor, you'll come out to say he is showing off, giving fake prophecies or lobbying for one thing or the other.

gemale:

Who told u dt d names of priests r nt in d book of lyf? D fact is dt an average Catholic priest has sacrificed more in his pursuit of God than their Protestant & pentecostal counterparts. His sexuality, physical & material comforts r sacrificed in his service 2 God. He is lyk d man in d parable who finds a treasure in a field, hides it & sells all his possessions 2 acquire it. However dis is nt enuf on its own 2 guarantee his salvation ultimately he has 2 work out his salvation wt fear & trembling lyk d rest of us. Bt by virtue of their rigorous training in d seminary, if dey stay true 2 wt dey were taught there 2 D point of death , dey shld b able 2 attain heaven. D same way adeboye, Kumuyi, olukoya & even D pope r nt automatically assured of heaven despite their positions in church. Bt 2 b honest, Catholic priests seem more humble than most so called MOGs. U don't c their pics splashed on posters & billboards advertising miracles & breakthrough.

humble ke?.......
there are lots of pagans that are humble, but there names are not found in the book of life, they shall be cast into the lake of fire....be you a Catholic priest, Pope, Anglican Bishop, priest, Pentecostal pastors and the rest.

wadetaw202:


Dont feed me with your crap. Who prevented you from reporting the priest to his bishop? You guys decided to be taken for a ride and you were taken for a ride.

Who told you that you can't report a priest to his bishop if he is permitting any nonsense thanksgiving in his church? You decided to be rubbed with sh.it and you got rubbed big time. So, cover your head and cry to your own shame.

Lmaoooooooooooo I thought you would say it is a lie, and I would have bombarded you with more stories of how Catholic priests are money scavengers, and they are happily doing it because they know their members would give a blind eye and instead accuse Pentecostal Pastors of been too money conscious!

The Priest did not only take Alter Boys money, he also took other groups money, they reported him to Bishop, and he is still a Priest! The only punishment he got was that he was transferred to a village.

vooks:

M0ron,
Isn't it self-evident?
They pray to dead people like Mary, Paul ......
They built elaborate shrines to idols

U r clearly misinformed so let me try 2 enlighten u. If afterward u feel confused, grab a copy of D catechism of D Catholic church & read it well. If u still r confused, c a Catholic priest 2 voice ur reservations. Let me start 4rm Genesis when God introduced Himself 2 Moses, he said "I AM d God of Abraham, Isaac & Jacob". Note He didn't say "I was". @ dt tym those 3 pple were long gone so why did God say "I am"? Jesus answers dis in d gospel when tested by d saducees. He says dt God is d God of D living nt d dead. Christianity doesn't view death d WY d world does. True death 2 a xtian is eternal damnation nt passing away. Wt d world calls death is just a change in state & location 4 xtians. Dts y Jesus said 2 D sister of Lazarus "anyone who Blvs in me even if he dies shall live again". So those pple u referred 2 r nt dead bt still living. U ask y we pray 2 Mary & Saints. Let me answer u. Mary is our mother; we don't worship her we only honor her. Y do we give honor 2 a woman so 'ordinary' dt she wasn't mentioned much in d Bible? When Jesus hung on d cross, His disciples abandoned him. In 1 account of D gospel, a disciple who was bathing @ d tym of His arrest ran away naked. Even great Simon "d rock" Peter denied Jesus afta swearing 2 even die wt Him. So Jesus hanging 4rm d cross looks down & guess who He beholds sharing dis most agonizing moment wt Him @ d foot of D cross? His mother & few women & d only disciple bold enuf 2 identify wt him; John. He then utters dis words "woman ur son; son ur mother". These words commended us in2 d hands of Mary. Any true follower of Christ is a son/daughter of Mary. Any disciple who wants 2 truly take up his cross & follow d Lord daily needs 2 learn 4rm d lyf of Mary who was wt Jesus @ d point he cried "eloi eloi lama sabacthani" (my God my God, y has Thou forsaken me?). Mary's lyf was a lyf of total submission 2 obedience 2 D will of God wt out consideration 4 her interests or comfort. Here was a woman nt yet married being told dt she wld bcom pregnant even though she was a virgin. By mosaic laws, she risked being stoned 2 death & yet she says "I am d handmaid of D lord; b it done 2 me According 2 ur words". Dis is a woman who was told by Simeon of D harrowing experience dt Jesus was 2 undergo & yet she kept on loving Him & taking care of Him. Catholics honor Mary because d only tym d Bible recorded her asking Jesus 4 a favor was 2 help odas @ d wedding in Cana, Galilee. dts y we 'pray' 2 Mary as u say. Wt we do is 2 ask her 4 her intercession because even Jesus knowing it wasn't his tym 2 manifest still honored her wishes & was submissive 2 her. If d word made flesh cld honor Her, who r we nt 2 do d same? As 4 asking 4 Saints' intercession , It's no less scriptural Dan pentecostals asking oda brethren 2 say prayers of intercession 4 Dem or wt dey call standing in d gap. D only difference is dt dey r in a different place. D church of God comprises of 3 arms; d church militant (we on earth), D church suffering (purgatory;a discussion 4 anoda day) & d church triumphant (those in heaven). These arms r in communication wt 1 anoda hence in d apostles' Creed, we say we blv in d communion of Saints.
As 4 ur 2nd allegation, D definition of a shrine isn't only limited 2 D worship of an Idol. A shrine can also b a place built 2 honor ones memory / achievements. It's just due 2 our African heritage. Just d same way we tend 2 react adversely 2 a word lyk ritual. Do u know dt a wedding ceremony whether legal, traditional or religious is a ritual? Oda examples of ritual include matriculation, convocation, naming ceremonies etc. So a shrine in d Catholic sense is just a place built in memory of a saint. Most pple hate d Catholic church because dey don't understand its doctrine instead of dem 2 try & look 4 clarification, dey most tyms ignorantly spread aspersions dt r distorted & most tyms untrue. Whenever u have questions/disagreements abt d teachings & belief, try 2 conduct detailed research & ask knowledgeable pple lyk priests 2 clarify ur doubts.