Muafrika2:

I have to agree with you here. This is the country with a pyramid with eye symbol on its currency. The land of vampire stories, Illuminati, santa clause and Halloween.

These people are so superstitious, that they excuse no. 13 out of their hotel room numbering, numbering of floors in high rise buildings for fear of bad luck.

JackBizzle:



/so what are you??

lepasharon:


Simply someone who realizes the delusion of religion

Agnostics and atheists aren't the same

johnydon22:
Of course .. For One to be Agnostic one would need to first disbelieve all the God(s) around before agreeing to the undecidability of those claims, that position makes one atheist.

You will see someone who believes in no God but still wouldn't like to be called atheist. . .

People need not address themselves as atheists or so if they find the label hard but it doesn't change the fact.

I am an agnostic atheist and i never leave the "atheist" part when saying that..

Think more likely people are atheists even when they don't yet agree with it or realize it yet.

JackBizzle:



They are the same.


All agnostics are atheists but not all atheists are agnostics

KingEbukasBlog:


You are now derailing , stay on track & focus on the argument .

You are obviously not a good debater . You mentioned the belief in evolution and the practice of homosexuality in those country as a proof they do not believe in God . And I elucidated that those countries are open to allegorical explanations of the bible . An Irish man , KokoOyinbo , is a theistic evolutionist & he once said , I think , that most Europeans do so over there(are theistic evolutionists ) . I'll show you the post later.

And for homosexuality : I said there are gay pastors and people over there that believe that homophobia is of the Old Testament just like stoning of non-virgins .

You have no proof .

Has it wiped out the human specie ? You claimed that Christians have no reason to advance because we believe this world is transient and I said that in the same vein atheists have no reason to advance because everything could end due to the aforementioned causes - supervalcao , asteroid strike , nuclear war , AI uprising etc . Scientists were just prognosticating because the benign form of these events have occurred before and AIs could get powerful and obliterate mankind since technology would get better .

Are you slow or are you being disingenuous as usual ? Focus on the argument - stay on track , dont derail .

Again , they are religious whether they say it plays no roles or it does that's not important.

A foreigner who lives in the North can say that Nigerians visit to mosque every friday , read their Koran and bow to Allah and there are few people who believe in Jesus Christ .

I'm sure you dont live in every part of Germany or houses of people to ascertain how they live their life religiously . Do you also live in their head to know if they believe in God ?

Again dont derail . Germany is a catholic country with numerous seminaries and missionary schools . They teach religion there .

Hör auf zu lügen und zugeben Deutschen sind religiös

malvisguy212:
YES, do you think a witch must have a supernatural power before he can be call a witch ?

donkross1:
The bible says "For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places".
Ephesians 6:12 KJV



What does it mean in simpler terms?

It simply means we are wrestling against demons..


Who are demons?

They are the fallen angels that was hurled down from heaven alongside satan himself. Satan is their leader and they themselves have followers which includes witches, wizards, herbalist and so on..


How do you identify a witch?

It only takes a spirit filled or spiritual person to identify a witch.



Okay wait... If you say witches aren't in existence, where were you when Arch Bishop Benson Idahosa stopped the whole of the witches in africa from holding a meeting in Benin city ?
...

djdoxxx:
LMAO.....so why has he not stopped book haram from throwing bombs helter skelter....why can't Arch Bishop Benson stop terrorism in the country? He stopped the meeting of witches, where you also at the location, are you a witch to testify to this?

johnydon22:
Of course .. For One to be Agnostic one would need to first disbelieve all the God(s) around before agreeing to the undecidability of those claims, that position makes one atheist.

You will see someone who believes in no God but still wouldn't like to be called atheist. . .

People need not address themselves as atheists or so if they find the label hard but it doesn't change the fact.

I am an agnostic atheist and i never leave the "atheist" part when saying that..

Think more likely people are atheists even when they don't yet agree with it or realize it yet.

herald9:

LOL.

The agnostic disposition gives you an open mind, as we're saying 'we're not sure, but if there's any evidence, we wouldn't mind...', but it's not so for atheism as you've rendered every belief system null and void.

Since I still subscribe to creationism, though not the religion-oriented creationism; agnosticism best fits me, not atheism.

johnydon22:
You are rather a more of a Deist not agnostic

herald9:

To me there's a little or no difference between 'he might exist, but doesn't have any influence' and 'he might exist, but I don't know'

Because something can't exist and yet doesn't have any influence, what's the purpose of its existence then?

Therefore deism=agnosticism.

My own version of creationism is a bit different. That's for another day.


Watchasay?

omonnakoda:

Not Correct bro.

Agnostics say it is not known whether there is God and it probably cannot be known. There position is; it is UNKNOWABLE

Someone presents a device to you and says this is a mobile phone.If another person has one and is on a network you can use it to phone him and talk to him anywhere on earth. That is a proposition that CAN BE TESTED AND VERIFIED> There is no way of testing and verifying God's existence reliably

Atheists say there is no God and they won't change their minds so how are agnostics atheists?

In all honesty I believe th agnostic position is the correct. We do not know and CANNOT know. If we could know we would ALL know and there would be no arguments.

JackBizzle:


Atheism is a disbelief in God.

If you ask an agnostic, he would tell you that he doesnt believe in god because there is no evidence to say that God exists or not.

johnydon22:
The thing is an agnostic do not subscribe to any creationism not even a personal one... they maintain the actuality of God(s) are unknown either in principle or in facts.

So once one invokes a creationism theory to explain causality it leans away from plain agnosticism but could rather be termed Agnostic Theism or agnostic deism.

I am an Agnostic Atheist. Agnostic in the sense that i am also of the opinion that the actuality of any God(s) is unknown, unproven and cannot be substantiated and in the same sense an Atheist because i disbelieve all the claims around or the cases where such assumption is invoked as a placeholder for scientific ignorance

omonnakoda:


The words have meanings, the meanings are in dictionaries and elsewhere. You cannot make them mean what you would like them to mean. We do not need to ask any person just open a dictionary to check what it means .

herald9:

LOL. LOL.

You're quite well-versed with all the types of unbelief and it's branches...
Agnostic deism, agnostic theism.....

Let's just say 'I don't know whether gods exist, but I can't bring myself to agree that everything in the universe sprung up on its own and arranged itself in such an awesome and amazing manner....'

That tilts me towards creationism.

There are many scientists that subscribe to creationism too.

JackBizzle:





I gave a dictionary definition of atheism- a disbelief in God.

omonnakoda:
I like dealing with intellectually honest and straight forward people .If you have forgotten go back and scroll through to see how we got here.

JackBizzle:


You are starting to irritate me.

I told you that all agnostics are atheists.

What is atheism?


[b]atheism
ˈeɪθɪɪz(ə)m/Submit
noun
[/b]disbelief or lack of belief in the existence of God or gods.
synonyms: non-belief, non-theism, disbelief, unbelief, scepticism, doubt, agnosticism, irreligion, godlessness,

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The above definition is the one you get if you google "atheism definition".

An agnostic does not believe in god because it can not be proven in any way, therefore, an agnostic is still an atheist. There are strong atheists who say there is no God. So we have two major types of atheist- the strong atheist and the weak agnostic atheist.

omonnakoda:

Go and play with your little willy you are daft as a brush

JackBizzle:



They are the same.


All agnostics are atheists but not all atheists are agnostics

lepasharon:


LOL

cloudgoddess:

You just quoted urban dictionary... that's a reliable source for definitions?

cloudgoddess:

You just quoted urban dictionary... that's a reliable source for definitions?

JackBizzle:


You took the words right out of my mouth

dalaman:


I am not, if some of the words of Jesus are true christians will be performing magic all over the place. Remember Jesus also promised those that believe in him the ability to do more wonders than they said he did. If it;s true they we will see christians performing magic and doing wonders all over the place, but because it is a lie no christian can do anything anywhere close to anything written about Jesus.

And I told you that they do not believe the way we do. They are mostly secular human beings that do not believe in most parts of the bible. They will openly tell you that it is wrong to discriminate against gays for example. A lot of them do not believe in the bible as the word of God even if they identify with the christian religion for example.

Name one religious principle that has been used to develop any country. What is the christian economic theory and market exchange principle? The christian market structure and market exchange principle of demand and supply is what? What about the christian technological and scientific principle, where can it be found and what is it? The christian development principle on how to turn a society from an agrarian to a service and manufacturing economy is what? What about the christian principle of taxation and fiscal policy? What is it? No religious principle has been used to develop any society ever. If there is then name the country and the religious principle.

It can wipe out the human specie. Atheist knowing that this events can happen at any time are in a better position to act and see to it that they stop if giving the capacity and ability, since they do not believe in an after life or that the world is supposed to end or needs to end in their life time, unlike many christians that are already praying and hoping for the world to end during their life time.

They are nominal christians, the role religion plays in a person's life is what actually matters. The importance you give religion is what matters, according to the link I gave you most Europeans do not give religion any importance in their lives.

I just gave you a statistics that shows Germans among the top countries where the citizens say that religion is least important in their lives and you are coming up with this writing that is neither here nor there? Religion is not important to them even though they identify with it, that is what actually matters.

JackBizzle:


They are the same.

All agnostics are atheists but not all atheists are agnostics

GeneralShepherd:


The fact that no creator has come forth to claim the universe as his creation is enough to say that for now, no creator is needed for the universe.

Scientists do not claim energy is eternal, energy is indeed eternal it can neither be created nor destroyed but is transformed from one form to another. But energy is not God, at least not the judeo- Christian God

UyiIredia:


. . . and he kills logic for the umpteenth time . . . on to the next.

JackBizzle:



They are the same.


All agnostics are atheists but not all atheists are agnostics