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Re: What Is Nature Exactly? by cloudgoddess(f): 7:58am On Mar 31, 2016 |
UyiIredia:Declaring your beliefs as true does not make them true. Show me the peer-reviewed journal. Hell, show me a single peer-reviewed research paper. Show me a science textbook still in use that even mentions ID as anything other than a fancy creation myth. 2 Likes |
Re: What Is Nature Exactly? by cloudgoddess(f): 8:12am On Mar 31, 2016 |
UyiIredia:This reply sucks so much. ID is very useless. It doesn't tell us anything about anything. Everything we know about genetics, reproduction, biological mechanisms, fits neatly into an evolutionary model. We DO know how reproduction works, how genetic codes are altered and read, what gives rise to certain phenotypic features, what types of mutations are possible, and which ones can lead to disease. The ID hypothesis, to even grant it that, has not played any role in discovering any of this, and it doesn't even help explain some of the simplest established biological theories (like the germ theory of disease & cell theory) talk less of the unifying theory of all biology. It's a very sad case of projection when you can sit there and say this: "we are not evolutionists, we don't paint up fanciful imaginary scenarios" when ID and all forms of creationism are nothing but human imagination, inspired by equally useless religious ideas - no evidence or effort necessary. While evolution has nearly 200 years worth of exponentially growing evidence backing it up (which does indeed exist, whether or not you choose to ignore it). At least evolution gets us something. Like medicines, and better food. At least it gives us something tangible, applicable, and useful. At the very least, evolution has something to show for, whether or not you accept all of it's premises. Intelligent design, however, is absolutely devoid of any productive impact. It does nothing at all, except give the religious something to cling to that doesn't look as foolish as regular old creationism, but still comes pretty close. Classifying ID as science would be like classifying bushmeat as a gourmet dish. 3 Likes |
Re: What Is Nature Exactly? by UyiIredia(m): 9:38am On Mar 31, 2016 |
cloudgoddess: Google Douglas Axe and Ann Gauger. They both released ID research in peer-reviewed journals. Then again, I should say peer review doesn't make a theory true. Darwin's work wasn't peer reviewed was it. 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: What Is Nature Exactly? by UyiIredia(m): 9:44am On Mar 31, 2016 |
cloudgoddess: Your brain is all mushy if you think so. cloudgoddess: Evolution had nothing to do with the discoveries you mentioned. cloudgoddess: Posting without substance. Insult without reasoning. Typical of fools. cloudgoddess: State the evidence of your theory and get schooled about how it doesn't stand. ID gave us food and medicines not your beloved evolution. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: What Is Nature Exactly? by Kay17: 10:19am On Mar 31, 2016 |
UyiIredia: Do you have examples of undesigned materials to which we can readily compare with designed materials in order to grasp the chasm between both? 2 Likes |
Re: What Is Nature Exactly? by PastorAIO: 10:49am On Mar 31, 2016 |
UyiIredia: You see yourself?!! There is no data but hey, why let that stop us, let's just paint up a fanciful imaginary scenario instead. 2 Likes |
Re: What Is Nature Exactly? by UyiIredia(m): 12:34pm On Mar 31, 2016 |
Kay17: The oceans. |
Re: What Is Nature Exactly? by UyiIredia(m): 12:38pm On Mar 31, 2016 |
PastorAIO: Wetin dis one dey talk |
Re: What Is Nature Exactly? by Kay17: 2:01pm On Mar 31, 2016 |
UyiIredia: By oceans, do you also mean its constitutual part -- water -- oxygen hydrogen?! |
Re: What Is Nature Exactly? by UyiIredia(m): 2:42pm On Mar 31, 2016 |
Kay17: Get on with it for Christ's sake. You're fond of complicating simple things. |
Re: What Is Nature Exactly? by PastorAIO: 3:02pm On Mar 31, 2016 |
UyiIredia: I just want to get you straight. Are you saying that the Oceans are undesigned? |
Re: What Is Nature Exactly? by UyiIredia(m): 3:46pm On Mar 31, 2016 |
PastorAIO: Sure. Undesigned doesn't mean they weren't created though. The difference is in the intellectual effort required to make them. |
Re: What Is Nature Exactly? by PastorAIO: 4:25pm On Mar 31, 2016 |
UyiIredia: Do you think that there could be human beings that God didn't put too much intellectual effort when he was making them? 1 Like |
Re: What Is Nature Exactly? by UyiIredia(m): 4:45pm On Mar 31, 2016 |
PastorAIO: You are the first one that comes to mind. Jack Bizzle is another one. 3 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: What Is Nature Exactly? by Kay17: 5:35pm On Mar 31, 2016 |
UyiIredia: It's better to ask because I'm led to believe that God created and designed the Universe from Nothingness, except water oceans oxygen and hydrogen who decided to come on their own from Nothingness. |
Re: What Is Nature Exactly? by Kay17: 5:45pm On Mar 31, 2016 |
UyiIredia: I thought creation itself was an intellectual effort in itself. 2 Likes |
Re: What Is Nature Exactly? by PastorAIO: 5:49pm On Mar 31, 2016 |
UyiIredia: Great! My daddy used to tell me that, Anything worth doing is worth doing well. I wonder what kind of a useless Miscreant of a God this your God is that goes to work yet fails to apply himself with appropriate thoroughness to his work. He is a very Worthless stupid God, this god of yours. 3 Likes |
Re: What Is Nature Exactly? by UyiIredia(m): 5:58pm On Mar 31, 2016 |
Kay17: True. The effort required to make some things surpasses other things. The more complex a thing is the more effort required to make it. |
Re: What Is Nature Exactly? by UyiIredia(m): 5:59pm On Mar 31, 2016 |
PastorAIO: A so-called pastor yabbing God. You must be a fake one. 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: What Is Nature Exactly? by UyiIredia(m): 6:02pm On Mar 31, 2016 |
Kay17: Water was created too. This is just a classic case of how you shift from a statement without really tackling anything substantiative. 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: What Is Nature Exactly? by Kay17: 6:07pm On Mar 31, 2016 |
UyiIredia: The truth is you can not produce an undesigned material when you have a basic premise stating God created everything. And the absence of an undesigned material undermines your design argument since you cannot distinguish between a design and non design. Furthermore since you agree creation is an intellectual effort, the absence of intellectual effort implies the absence of creation itself! 3 Likes |
Re: What Is Nature Exactly? by PastorAIO: 6:52pm On Mar 31, 2016 |
Kay17: The guy is so utterly confused. People should follow their natural inclinations. if one is not naturally inclined to philosophical or intellectual issues it is better to just leave it, rather than stress oneself with pretentious pseudo-intellectuallism. lol. Degrees of Effort means that there is some resistance to the efforts. Where there is more resistance you need more effort. What was resisting against God when god was putting sometimes more effort and sometimes less effort to his creations? 2 Likes |
Re: What Is Nature Exactly? by PastorAIO: 6:52pm On Mar 31, 2016 |
UyiIredia: Without a doubt. As fake as your daft God. 2 Likes |
Re: What Is Nature Exactly? by PastorAIO: 6:58pm On Mar 31, 2016 |
UyiIredia: I nor think say you go fit understand lai lai. 1 Like |
Re: What Is Nature Exactly? by UyiIredia(m): 7:13pm On Mar 31, 2016 |
Kay17: But this doesn't fly as one only needs to identify the hallmarks of design to know if a thing is designed. Information and functional complexity being 2 hallmarks of design. |
Re: What Is Nature Exactly? by Kay17: 7:25pm On Mar 31, 2016 |
UyiIredia: This proves how necessary my earlier question was. How is there an undesigned ocean without water?! |
Re: What Is Nature Exactly? by UyiIredia(m): 7:37pm On Mar 31, 2016 |
Kay17:Again with the needless questions. |
Re: What Is Nature Exactly? by UyiIredia(m): 7:39pm On Mar 31, 2016 |
PastorAIO:Take pastor with poor reasoning. A perfect combo. |
Re: What Is Nature Exactly? by UyiIredia(m): 7:39pm On Mar 31, 2016 |
PastorAIO:Fake pastor with poor reasoning. A perfect combo. |
Re: What Is Nature Exactly? by PastorAIO: 7:53pm On Mar 31, 2016 |
UyiIredia: You can yabb me from morning to night it is still not going to make the nonsense you are spewing valid, neither is it going to make your daft god viable. |
Re: What Is Nature Exactly? by PastorAIO: 7:56pm On Mar 31, 2016 |
Kay17: Am I getting you right? If water is designed… and water is a key component of the ocean… then the ocean cannot be undesigned. Is this the query that some are calling needless questions, just because they want to win an argument and pass themselves off as being intellectual? 1 Like |
Re: What Is Nature Exactly? by Kay17: 8:06pm On Mar 31, 2016 |
UyiIredia: How is it possible to know that the particulars information and functional complexity are hallmarks when there is lack of non designs whose lack of information and functional complexity would have clearly demonstrated the efficacy of your argument! At the end of the day, we both have to realize that some of these functional complexity is organized by Nature and probably God is the ultimate conductor, but you must concede that Nature is indeed or at least an agent of the ultimate conductor. |
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