Lilbrown007:
Lol u r realy funny o u do realize this is africa ryt?? u do realize during dose day we dont kno how to write shey though we can speek but not write! so nxt time think b4 u quote

"...Those days we (Africans) DIDN'T know how to write" you say. It is obvious am dealing with an extremely brain-dead individual. Go discover and lose your ignorance; you have been MISeducated with so much Eurocentric lies! # Your brain can never comprehend the ancient WRITTEN scrolls/papyri in Aigyptus, Timbuktu (Sudan), "Nsibidi script" amongst the Ekpe cult/Efiks in Cross Rivers State etc.

GrammarNazi:


Lol, your post should be "if the bible/Christianity did not exist", not "if the bible were a lie", because it could very well still be a lie, but wouldn't/hasn't stopped over a billion people from believing in it.

If religions didn't exist, this world would be a better place. But since religions, Christianity and the bible are here to stay, I'd better go pay my tithe and offerings, to help Jesus buy cement to build my mansions in heaven

Correct.

Lilbrown007:
Lol u r realy funny o u do realize this is africa ryt?? u do realize during dose day we dont kno how to write shey though we can speek but not write! so nxt time think b4 u quote

Actually the Hausa/Fulani Could speak and write

sonOfLucifer:
1.
No rapture or end time. Africans are stuck in Africa forever. No white man coming from the sky to zap them to mansions in heaven.

2.
Nigerian children will not be labelled as witches anymore. Pastors who label kids as evil and witches would be locked up in psychiatric hospitals.

3.
Reedemed would be an engineering company with a motto to open a technical workshop every 5kms. More jobs, less prayer points

4.
Go out with family on Sundays for strolls and enjoy nature. Less noise and traffic.

5.
Village people would stop being blamed for every misfortune that happens to their family members.

6.
Africans won't care about Adam and Eve, or Jerusalem and Mecca. Pilgrimage to Osun and Umudike would increase IGR.


Clearing up more ignorance like it's my duty.


Mr Chris...
So much ignorance.
Let me explain this one time. Every Nation has a Ruler/President. The US has one, Nigeria has one. The PRESIDENT is a title, not a Person. So when an American Citizen says 'My President', you don't think Buhari, you think Barrack Obama.

In same vein, every nation/tribe had their GOD (their creator, their source, their origin). These Gods were created in their images and spoke their language. Allah doesn't speak French, Yahweh doesn't speak Ijaw. Yawheh and Allah referred to the local Gods of a particular tribe.

Unlike the Yoruba,Igbo, Indian gods, the Abrahamic GODS(Allah and Yahweh) considered all other Gods evil. From David to Mohammed, these men conquered lands and people, destroying everything in their wake. You don't need to read the Old Testament, read your news. The evidence is still there in the Middle East.

Lucifer's demons have nothing whatsoever to do with the African gods. Lucifer is Yahweh is Lucifer.

What good thing did the African gods give us? Look at your delicacy and your local language. Maybe, your ancestors weren't so savage afterall. Your language is proof they could communicate. Your local delicacy is proof they were good farmers, and knew how to use basic cooking utensil. Did the white man teach us how to cook oha and periwinkle? Did they teach us to say "Bia" and "Ndo"? What about your traditional wears? Proof that there were tailors and we manufactured textiles too. We weren't naked and hopeless. Harmattan for don show us shege..

How about local medicines? The medicinal benefits of the kolanut? Our leaves and that nasty worm that grows on trees? Maybe we didn't have western medicine. But we had local healers who treated illnesses and sicknesses. If we didn't, we would all have been dead before they arrived our shores. ..

Unfortunately, how you think is who you are. When they left pur lands, they left behind their minds, their history, their perception of us. They left their minds in our education system. And we never changed it. They left their Bible in our palms, while we gave our lives to Chris and swore by Allah. We took to calling their lands holy lands, travelling to Jerusalem and Mecca to see I remember as a kid rejecting the notion of having to eba with fork and spoon. Most of us have probably experienced that too. Yet, we believe a Jew who was killed over 2000 years ago by his kinsmen, was right about our gods, our history, our future.

You make sh.i.t load of sense. Couldnt have said it better.
We had all these things before they came. But eurocentrism that we accepted has made anything un european evil and substandard. People are waking up now.....
We have to...

Lalasticlala this one too hawt too? In the spirit of open and fair discussion. mynd44

Ochoiho:

@ Son of Lucifer,

When some of you go about, despising and ridiculing sonoflucifer because of the name, claiming his father the devil did this or that, or he is wicked and bad just because of the moniker he chose, it means you do not even understand the idea behind the name.

In every age blasphemy has been a good tool to show men who they really are. When you pretend to be good and loving, child of a just and loving God, but you judge and reject someone on the basis of the outward appearance, you just prove that religion and morality are very distinct.

Anyone with a loving heart will quickly realize that he is a nice kind and decent man. We usually see in others a reflection of who we are.

Greetings

The Truth will be something else.

cckris:
Well, the Bible is True. True in history,& True in reality. It's from the Bible we learn that 500 years Before Christ, Ethiopia already existed as a nation among others. India was also mentioned.
Europeans were then comparatively primitive. After Christ, the Bible was introduced to Europeans, & they became civilised, educated, & began to so develop as to overtake both India, Ethiopia, & even Babylon, one of the world powers BC.
It therefore flows logically that if Africans obey the Bible as the Europeans did, Africans can also develop likewise.

China is officially Atheist, Russia WAS officially Atheist yet these countries CANNOT be compared with any African country though we believe in God better than they do. Also, these countries are among the 5 most powerfull in the world. The other 3 are secular states not religous countries. so, what r u sayn?

There's nothing negative.

Typical mental case.

sonOfLucifer:
1.
No rapture or end time. Africans are stuck in Africa forever. No white man coming from the sky to zap them to mansions in heaven.

2.
Nigerian children will not be labelled as witches anymore. Pastors who label kids as evil and witches would be locked up in psychiatric hospitals.

3.
Reedemed would be an engineering company with a motto to open a technical workshop every 5kms. More jobs, less prayer points

4.
Go out with family on Sundays for strolls and enjoy nature. Less noise and traffic.

5.
Village people would stop being blamed for every misfortune that happens to their family members.

6.
Africans won't care about Adam and Eve, or Jerusalem and Mecca. Pilgrimage to Osun and Umudike would increase IGR.


Clearing up more ignorance like it's my duty.


Mr Chris...
So much ignorance.
Let me explain this one time. Every Nation has a Ruler/President. The US has one, Nigeria has one. The PRESIDENT is a title, not a Person. So when an American Citizen says 'My President', you don't think Buhari, you think Barrack Obama.

In same vein, every nation/tribe had their GOD (their creator, their source, their origin). These Gods were created in their images and spoke their language. Allah doesn't speak French, Yahweh doesn't speak Ijaw. Yawheh and Allah referred to the local Gods of a particular tribe.

Unlike the Yoruba,Igbo, Indian gods, the Abrahamic GODS(Allah and Yahweh) considered all other Gods evil. From David to Mohammed, these men conquered lands and people, destroying everything in their wake. You don't need to read the Old Testament, read your news. The evidence is still there in the Middle East.

Lucifer's demons have nothing whatsoever to do with the African gods. Lucifer is Yahweh is Lucifer.

What good thing did the African gods give us? Look at your delicacy and your local language. Maybe, your ancestors weren't so savage afterall. Your language is proof they could communicate. Your local delicacy is proof they were good farmers, and knew how to use basic cooking utensil. Did the white man teach us how to cook oha and periwinkle? Did they teach us to say "Bia" and "Ndo"? What about your traditional wears? Proof that there were tailors and we manufactured textiles too. We weren't naked and hopeless. Harmattan for don show us shege..

How about local medicines? The medicinal benefits of the kolanut? Our leaves and that nasty worm that grows on trees? Maybe we didn't have western medicine. But we had local healers who treated illnesses and sicknesses. If we didn't, we would all have been dead before they arrived our shores. ..

Unfortunately, how you think is who you are. When they left pur lands, they left behind their minds, their history, their perception of us. They left their minds in our education system. And we never changed it. They left their Bible in our palms, while we gave our lives to Chris and swore by Allah. We took to calling their lands holy lands, travelling to Jerusalem and Mecca to see I remember as a kid rejecting the notion of having to eba with fork and spoon. Most of us have probably experienced that too. Yet, we believe a Jew who was killed over 2000 years ago by his kinsmen, was right about our gods, our history, our future.

Typical mental case.

cckris:
Well, the Bible is True. True in history,& True in reality. It's from the Bible we learn that 500 years Before Christ, Ethiopia already existed as a nation among others. India was also mentioned.
Europeans were then comparatively primitive. After Christ, the Bible was introduced to Europeans, & they became civilised, educated, & began to so develop as to overtake both India, Ethiopia, & even Babylon, one of the world powers BC.
It therefore flows logically that if Africans obey the Bible as the Europeans did, Africans can also develop likewise.

Trash.
So the Romans that ruled the world.before and during the time of christ. were not Europeans?slowpoke

Dharneehell:
Oh! An atheist, then you should hate satan too. And not believe in him at all, let alone that he's good.


Well...

Guy don't mind the M0ron

cloudgoddess:

How: Collaberative efforts of human imagination & storytelling, guided by the natural human inclination to attribute causes & effects where there are none, and to assume supernatural causes for unexplained phenomena.

Why: To provide answers to questions people had no way of answering yet (in the absense of science), such as what caused the weather and disease (Sun & rain gods, for example, were very common in early polytheistic societies, & diseases & bad weather were nearly always attributed to curses and upset deities). To help govern societies and provide mental strength in an age where resources were limited, war was rampant, and democracy was not yet invented. To give hope to the poor and dying. To alleviate the concerns regarding what happened after death, and avoid the pain of death by inventing an afterlife to look forward to.

Mostly for psychological, emotional, & political needs - the majority of which, as thriving modern secular societies have proven, can now be more than sufficiently met by non-religious means.

You are a big Idiot. so how did you come into existence. can a robot ever exist without a designer and maker? can Evolution a process.have capacity to think,design,create and give live. something itself those not have?

lilliesboy:


How did the so-called "democratic/secular" countries in Europe et al transform from their undemocratic/supersticious state to what they are now, since you say atheism cannot work in Africa? How did it get to work in Europe/America, China etc, which were once in a (worst) stage than Africans are today? Religion gives FALSE hope, not real hope. And it promotes extremisms based on irrationalities, thus it is not needed/important in this century (and in the future)!

slowpoke .read this

Christianity had existed in China as early as the
7th century AD, having multiple cycles of strong
presence for hundreds of years at a time,
disappearing for hundreds of years, and then
being re-introduced. The arrival of the Persian
missionary Alopen in 635, during the early part
of the Tang dynasty, is considered by some to be
the first entry of the Christian religion into China.
What Westerners referred to as Nestorian
Christianity flourished for hundreds of years,
until Emperor Wuzong of the Tang dynasty
adopted anti-religious measures in 845, expelling
Buddhism, Christianity, and Zoroastrianism and
confiscating their considerable assets.
Christianity again came to China in the 13th
century during the Mongol-established Yuan
dynasty, when the Mongols brought Nestorianism
back to the region, and contacts began with the
Papacy, such as Franciscan missionaries in
1294. When the native Chinese Ming dynasty
overthrew the Yuan dynasty in the 14th century,
Christians were again expelled from China.

blueAgent:


Typical mental case.

Thank you.

analice107:
Hmm. Once again you have confirmed that atheists are Satanists. You said you SonOfLucifer, were an atheists not a Satanist, but always, you advocate for satan. Maybe you shd remembered that those are gods too and the believers or their worshippers are religious people just like Christians.
Oh wait!!! , yea, your ish is not with others gods, your problem is with the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. I see.

Lol.... guy don't mind the clowns. hypocrites.

sonOfLucifer:

How? You love silly generalizations, don't you? Helps you to understand the world better when you put people in the little boxes you have in your head.


I'm an atheist in love with Satan. It's the only medium via which I can show the stupidity of the Abrahamic faiths.


Oh yes I do. I hate all religions equally. But tell me the last time Nigeria celebrated holidays for our local festivals? But we celebrate the Islamic and Christian ones. The Muslims and Christians are the ones who make our laws.Maybe you'd prefer to be a minority?


Hehehe. When you can't understand them, put them in a box.

Happy Weekend jare.

U are just a confused M0ron.

lepasharon:


Kindly mention ONE good thing Africans have received from worshipping Jesus? No one worships Jesus more than blacks and they are the bottom of the totem pole. How has Jesus changed the situation of Nigerians?

o




slowpoke . so you were better off living on trees.like monkies without clothes.
Your African religeon and dieties could not give Africans knoweledge,skills, to develop.themselves and better themselves.
they say knowledge is power. so the white man with his religeon had dominion over Africa becos the God(white man's religeon Jesus)gave them power. while your so called african religeon could not help them.but was only intrested in killing them as sacrifice.
The same white man and his religeon created 80% of all the advances in science,Humanity,Engineering,Health,Government, e.t.c
Man never taught to fly until white man did it. man never taught of going to space till white man did it. same with electricity,nuclear energy,internet,Railway,automobile,computers,advances in food,polio vaccine the reason why u are not cripped, and many more.
African is backward not becos of religeon but low IQ. secondly africans do not pratice true christanity. they are only religeous but not righteous.

It took the whiteman to show you that u have oil. so you are telling me that all the educated Nigerians in all enedvour have not beneffited
from the white man and his religeon?

i guess your brain wiring is runned into septic tank.

blueAgent:
o
slowpoke . so you were better off living on trees.like monkies without clothes.African is backward not becos of religeon but low IQ.
.

I have to agree with you. With your attitude on this thread so far, it's hard to argue.



Lalasticlala.. Happy Easter o..

sonOfLucifer:

I have to agree with you. With your attitude on this thread so far, it's hard to argue.



Lalasticlala.. Happy Easter o..

just say u are running . U can't match the argument.

blueAgent:

just say u are running . U can't match the argument.

The counter to your argument is on the first page. No one is picking a fight with you.

sonOfLucifer:

The counter to your argument is on the first page. No one is picking a fight with you.

Rubbish.

SpotlezDonald25:
UncleSnr u've said it all.

I've been going tru this thread for the past 2 hrs reading every comment on it.
This thread has revealed so much to me..
SonOfLucifer u have so much points and u made so much sense in everything u said.
I'm a christian but I'm so dissapointed my fellow bredrens could not comprehend what you really meant.. They couldn't even defend their so called religion.

I so much believe that religion is a strong Hindrance to Africa's Development.

I'd love to learn more...
Liliesboy; cloudgoddess; simplex2; Lilbrown etc.. U guys are very intelligent and amazing.

God bless you sir...

Revelation though, is the most expensive of all knowledge, not covered in books readable to the human understanding...

I would keep my grammar as simple as possible, need i say i grew up in a Spanish neighborhood.

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The second page of this interesting thread had me wanting to address a fact, truth is when we humans break man-made laws of their respective societies, all they need worry about is being caught in the process or trails that would lead back to them pro-investigations by law enforcers, so we can say a sacrosanct entity might be needed so people might have a feeling of always being watched over by a god, its interesting to note that each of these religions have certain rules/commandments for their followers to follow which when compared are somewhat similar, these said commandments are sacred to them because they believed it was passed down by their all powerful god and once broken, you are said to have sinned, hence the facade of an after life where they all are made to answer for their sins, and well even if no man saw you breaking the said law, followers believe their Gods bears witness. This actually checks the excesses of believers (at-least those who believe and not just mere hypocrites).
All am trying to say is religion is a way of having the larger percentage of humans in check, so they feel they'd answer to something that isn't man-made, a god, and their creator

There is a popular saying; "Being a leader is knowing when to follow the law and when not to" that means, not everyone has the luxury of breaking laws when it only works for a greater good, the majority would abuse the privilege.
So yeah, we need religion to keep some people in check.

P.S: Am atheist but i don't criticize or judge the theists and others.

Cc sonOfLucifer; cloudgoddess; musKeeto;

DrDxtrz:
I would keep my grammar as simple as possible, need i say i grew up in a Spanish neighborhood.

---

The second page of this interesting thread had me wanting to address a fact, truth is when we humans break man-made laws of their respective societies, all they need worry about is being caught in the process or trails that would lead back to them pro-investigations by law enforcers, so we can say a sacrosanct entity might be needed so people might have a feeling of always being watched over by a god, its interesting to note that each of these religions have certain rules/commandments for their followers to follow which when compared are somewhat similar, these said commandments are sacred to them because they believed it was passed down by their all powerful god and once broken, you are said to have sinned, hence the facade of an after life where they all are made to answer for their sins, and well even if no man saw you breaking the said law, followers believe their Gods bears witness. This actually checks the excesses of believers (at-least those who believe and not just mere hypocrites).
All am trying to say is religion is a way of having the larger percentage of humans in check, so they feel they'd answer to something that isn't man-made, a god, and their creator

There is a popular saying; "Being a leader is knowing when to follow the law and when not to" that means, not everyone has the luxury of breaking laws when it only works for a greater good, the majority would abuse the privilege.
So yeah, we need religion to keep some people in check.

P.S: Am atheist but i don't criticize or judge the theists and others.

Cc sonOfLucifer; cloudgoddess; musKeeto;

Hello there DrDxtrz.

I think that idea very much seems to have merit on the surface - and it's an argument frequently put forward by theists. But in practice it simply doesn't appear to play out. Like myself & others have pointed out a few times, statistically there does not seem to be any positive correlation between practiced morality and religiosity - in fact, the opposite seems to be true. Countries with higher rates of people who identify as religious (I think the criteria used is "believing in a deity that watches their actions & influences their lives" ), have significantly higher rates of violent crime, teenage pregnancy, wealth disperity, and other markers that would point towards a society being less moral. And in addition, countries with the highest secular/atheist/agnostic populations, score very low in comparison on all of those markers, and much higher on markers like overall health, equality, etc. So it's actually the reverse of what many would expect.

There are several reasons why this may be the case. In my social psychology textbook I recently read some passages on the effects of harsh punishment on influencing behavior, which may shed some light. It turns out that extreme punishments (perhaps including such threats as eternal hellfire) are actually quite ineffective in discouraging bad behavior consistently & reliably. I clipped a few portions:



Add to that the "repent & you shall be forgiven" doctrine of Christianity and you can see how this can create a mental environment that leads to inconsistent moral behavior. It seems secular societies tend to rely on how their actions will effect their fellow citizens as a way to foster moral compliance, rather than lean on fear of extreme punishment from some dictating authority figure. Reasoning (ex. teaching children why certain things are wrong to do, not just that they are wrong because x authority said so) and "smaller punishments" typically in the form of social reinforcement, might play more of a role for them. Consistent with what I read in my textbook, these seem to be more effective means of moral encouragement.

cloudgoddess:

Hello there DrDxtrz.

I think that idea very much seems to have merit on the surface - and it's an argument frequently put forward by theists. But in practice it simply doesn't appear to play out. Like myself & others have pointed out a few times, statistically there does not seem to be any positive correlation between practiced morality and religiosity - in fact, the opposite seems to be true. Countries with higher rates of people who identify as religious (I think the criteria used is "believing in a deity that watches their actions & influences their lives" ), have significantly higher rates of violent crime, teenage pregnancy, wealth disperity, and other markers that would point towards a society being less moral. And in addition, countries with the highest secular/atheist/agnostic populations, score very low in comparison on all of those markers, and much higher on markers like overall health, equality, etc. So it's actually the reverse of what many would expect.

There are several reasons why this may be the case. In my social psychology textbook I recently read some passages on the effects of harsh punishment on influencing behavior, which may shed some light. It turns out that extreme punishments (perhaps including such threats as eternal hellfire) are actually quite ineffective in discouraging bad behavior consistently & reliably. I clipped a few portions:



Add to that the "repent & you shall be forgiven" doctrine of Christianity and you can see how this can create a mental environment that leads to inconsistent moral behavior. It seems secular societies tend to rely on how their actions will effect their fellow citizens as a way to foster moral compliance, rather than lean on fear of extreme punishment from some dictating authority figure. Reasoning (ex. teaching children why certain things are wrong to do, not just that they are wrong because x authority said so) and "smaller punishments" typically in the form of social reinforcement, might play more of a role for them. Consistent with what I read in my textbook, these seem to be more effective means of moral encouragement.

Well i have to say this is a well researched post and a really compelling delivery.. am still a little skeptical about the statistics, because i still believe the existence of a god and boomerang have actually kept some people in check, at least i have some theist friends who won't entertain some supposed sins (which are crimes in our world) because of their beliefs, maybe not all, but to a greater degree, I feel if its a free for all, it'd be more chaotic then it already is.
But hey, a little more study on this and an on ground practical citations (largely atheist and theist societies crime comparative) and i might segue, because my inclination has shifted a little to your side.

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slowpoke .read this

Christianity had existed in China as early as the
7th century AD...

Woodhead, how does that relate to China's development or total belief system? CRAZEtianity existed as early as the 7th Century AD: good it didn't exist in the "BC's" when the Great Wall of China et al were built. CRAZEtianity never added any positive value to China, that's why the Chinese had to carry-out a revolution against CRAZEtianity in the 19th century popularly known as the "Boxer Rebellion." CRAZEtians are a vocal minority in China to this day- ATHEISTS, Taoists and Buddhists fill the majority.

blueAgent:
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slowpoke . so you were better off living on trees.like monkies without clothes.
Your African religeon and dieties could not give Africans knoweledge,skills, to develop.themselves and better themselves.
they say knowledge is power. so the white man with his religeon had dominion over Africa becos the God(white man's religeon Jesus)gave them power. while your so called african religeon could not help them.but was only intrested in killing them as sacrifice.
The same white man and his religeon created 80% of all the advances in science,Humanity,Engineering,Health,Government, e.t.c
Man never taught to fly until white man did it. man never taught of going to space till white man did it. same with electricity,nuclear energy,internet,Railway,automobile,computers,advances in food,polio vaccine the reason why u are not cripped, and many more.
African is backward not becos of religeon but low IQ. secondly africans do not pratice true christanity. they are only religeous but not righteous.

It took the whiteman to show you that u have oil. so you are telling me that all the educated Nigerians in all enedvour have not beneffited
from the white man and his religeon?

i guess your brain wiring is runned into septic tank.

Over 80% of those (White) inventors NEVER believed in your bloody jesus or CRAZEtianity, so stop tagging them as people who had their "high IQ" from your doG you call goD. Most of those scientists/inventors were persecuted/criticized by same CRAZEtians. And how were the Yisraelis conquered and enslaved/colonized by the Babylonians, Romans etc, if their god (yahweh) was so powerful? How did the Boko Haram et al bomb churches and kill many CRAZEtians if your god was so powerful? You sound so dumb, just like your god.

@OP is living in fantasy. Stalin had such thoughts, banished christianity from Russia. It wasn't a pleasant outcome for the people. He killed more people than Hitler.

The idea that christianity is the cause of Nigeria's problem is laughable. It is more an anti-christ thinking than logic. Everyone is entitled to their beliefs as long as they don't force others to believe thesame.

That Lie will be God. Amen.