elfadconcept04:
Pls Dos who want d windows b careful of cheap, d quality of d Windows n burglary is questionable . D welder used white light pipe for burglary hence d price is cheaper Dan black pipe or black thick pipe..
D question is, do u want to use a white pipe for ur burglary U can ask ur Engr for d merits n demerit.. Cheap is never quality dt don't also b naive Abt price. Check ur prices.

twinskenny:




i hate loosing a client.. thats why most time i will go all out to make sure i satisfy my client... cause one client can bring you thousand of others.. most of those point you mentioned sir was avoidable.. wonder what went wrong.

i wish you good speed to complete the projects.

fash78:
Dele this is the last time I will respond to.you on this forum. You can say whatever you like and God knows most of the things you wrote here are all lies.

1. I never told you or agreed with you that the duration of construction will be 6 months. That is a terrible lie. When I no be Dasuki son where would I get that amount of money in 6 months to finish this huge project.
2. Yes we have had just two major breaks during this project. The first one we were asked to stop work based on order from above. This was something beyond my control and you know it. This affected some people in the estate and not only us. The second break we had was when I was building the bungalow in the village. I told you that we needed to stop work on the Lagos project because my cash flow can't support two buildings at the same time.
3. I sent you to Ogbomoso just only once when we were trying to locate where borehole should be located. This was supposed to be a day trip however I still asked about accommodation you told me you would like to stay with your Pastor/lecturer whom you told me you needed to see as you have not seen him in a while. Dele if you are looking for things to castigate me look for something else.
4. On this 4-bedroom bungalow project issue I offered you 250K you refused. Dele I still have the records of all our chats. You insisted on 450K. Well I could not afford that and I moved on there is no wahala. And the total amount I spent is not up to 5M you are brandishing here. I don't know where you got that figure from. May be you are using that figure to justify the 500K you were asking for supervision.
5. As per the fence Dele I don't have anything more to say. Why would say fence is not part of the agreement?? That was very shocking when you said that last year. But anyway let's even assume it is out of scope, there is nobody that I told that my engineer was asking for 500K to supervise my fence construction. Some of the people I told were like is a supervisor in Julius Berger??
5. Dele we both know "your workers" charge cut throat wages. remember the roofing stage?? Your carpenter quoted one ridiculous amount to roof the house. I told you I would shop around. I got Muyensky and we agreed on a more reasonable price for the roofing. Did you allowed Muyensky to do the roof?? The answer is No. You latter turn around and told me you will convince your carpenter the same amount Muyensky agreed to do the roofing. This is one of the numerous cases of how I busted your workers. What of the plastering stage?? I was not sure of how much to negotiate the plastering of this building but thank God for people like Spyder and Muyensky. The price range both of them gave me is between N800K - 1.1M for the plastering work. Your mason was asking for 1.5M! That is why I brought those bricklayers in. They did the fence anyway and I am okay with their work.

I can go on and on Dele but anyway there is no need for that. I have moved on. I am the one losing at the end of the day because you have collected 1.4M out of your fee of 1.8M. You have collected 245K for the plumber out of the 300K negotiated. You have also collected 145K for the electrician out of the 230K negotiated. But you what I am ready to lose all that money even though the work you and your workers have done is not commensurate with the money in your pocket.

Dele, I will warn you to desist talking about family and friends of mine. Any of my friends or family that is afraid of me to tell me the truth (as it is in the figment of your imaginations) is not worth to be my friend or to be called my family. Why would my family and friends be afraid of me? I put fire for head shuo!

Lastly Dele, when people started complaining about you as a business man, then watch it. You can say everything here to justify your actions but you know what 2 people can not be wrong about everything. In a nut shell myself and Mr Yinka can not be wrong about everything we have said here about you. I didn't know Mr Yinka from anywhere. It was when he started having problems with you and he sent me an email that I got to know him. And as someone who wants your progress, I forwarded the email to you and advised accordingly that money is not everything.

elfadconcept04:
My spyder.. I agree with u dt our work is delicate.. I wont join words with Mr Funsho.. If u go by my last narrative, I was careful to b Civil. The problem Engrs /contractors av wit clients is wen a client tries to cheat the contractor..
I have worked with several pple from Nairaland, I dint even know Mr Yinka had issues with me not until he sent a mail to fash dt I reap pple off.. On the other hand, he later said my works reap off n charge high n not me. . Tank God he later corrected d statement even though his intention is to spoil my name..
For Mr Yinka Ogundele's project.. He knew Wat he wanted from d beginning dt he only wanted an engineer to handle his foundation because d site was water logged. His design/project is a standard duplex and a attached two numbers two bedroom flat, Sitting on ground n first floor...
Pls Hw much shld a plumber charge?? Hw much will u pay a plumber for piping, fittings, external worker n finishing for a duplex and an attached 2nos 3bedroom flats. D area of d entire building is Abt 11m x 25m..
Well like he mentioned my Plumber charged him 350 thousand to do d work from scratch to finish.. He pId 50k during d foundation where d plumber laid all d starter waste pipes In foundation for d 3 apartments.
Mr Yinka called me to a meeting after paying for foundation.. He offer a million Naira for supervision from oversite concrete (German floor) to completion of d project. Based on our calculations it will cost Abt 20M. Dts if we use my methods n resources. N not use Boq which we AL know dt, not all items n descriptions are usually paid for during construction. I asked for 10%. Making 2M, he offered 1M, I declined, he said he was going to contact me. I was hoping he will offer something reasonable say 7%, Unknowing to me, he had his plans.
D first day he invited me to his site, he came with his bricklayer dt has built for him b4. He shld av just open up to me dt he only needed me for d foundation, Wat de (client won't say) unfortunately is dt d following week, Mr Yinka bricklayer has began working, only for pple in d neighborhood to call Dt someone else was doing d work. Wen DE got to a stage, de needed my plumber, he called d plumber behind me n d plumber said he can't come to d site because d client ought to call his Engr to ask him to come to site. My Yinka n his wife kept calling him to come n work on dia site. Pls note dt since my last meeting with Mr Yinka, he dint n has not called me till date.. Last I can remember is dt I called him last year to give me d number of d sand Supplier he brought to site whose price was Gud.. Unknown to me, he holds grudges against me sef.
I had to send him a mail to stop contacting my workers, if he needs to dem,he shld call me. He dint engage dem on his own..
Pls tell me, is 350k for plumbering labor a reap off.? For a duplex n 2nos of 3bedrooms. From start to finish??

Back to Mr Fash...
I know Mr fash 2well dt I am not suppose to say something here. By I will respond a little.
1. Mr fash said he fired me. No problem.
2. I av worked with some pple here, we finished d scope of work, de dint cheat me, DE paid as at wen due, we respect each other.. I av adviced dem severally n DE dint av any issue wit me, for Mr Fash to say I am rude is one side of d coin. He dint mention his own statement to me.. Trust me, I know him so well. I know Wat his friends n family say Abt him by I won't go there.
3. Mr fash asked me to supervise his project in ogbomoso, I told him I won't charge him, dt he shld tell me Wat he has in mind to pay.. He said he will give me 150thousand Naira for a 4bedroom bungalow in ogbomoso. Pls note dt he dint also mention ds wen he reported me on ds platform. Mr spyder, 150k for an Engr to leave Lagos to ogbomoso for a project he proposed will last three month. I told him Haba, I shld ask for 500k or more bt don't rubbish me wit 150k, there r times I went to ogbomoso on his behalf, he dint provide accommodation ooo.. I ad to stay over at my psts place. To cut d long story, he said dt was his final offer n I notice dt his father n brother were also interested In Handling d project because de av bin. Calling me to send d drawings so d bricklayer can study it.. I had to ask Mr fash weda or not I shld send it. He gave go ahead n I sent it to dem.. D history here is dt I dint do d job..
150k.. 4bedroom in ogbomoso... Deris God. For some reason he said he will 2.5m on d 4bedroom bungalow, which everyone dt knows construction know dt, dts not possible. I did a bill n told him he will spend Abt 2.4M from start to roof stage which he said no ooo, ds materials n labor is cheap in ogbomoso ds n ds dp he's Max spend WIl b 3M. Last I can remember, he confirmed dt he spent Abt 2.5M to get to roof covering. We all know a Gud finish 4bedroom will cost Abt 5M to build.
4.wrt d fence,
wen fash n I discussed d project cost, I showed him how we can do d project for less Dan d 52M his Qs had prepared if we do direct labor which removes a lot of unnecessary cost.. We settled for 32m, give n take which I assured him was doable for d Design provided d taste of finishing is not too high. I asked for 10%. Fash said he was going to give me 1.5M. We later settled for 2M after several pleading n promises, he will introduce me to his friends ds n dt. God is my witness dt he was pleading n made all sort of promises. He promised dt we will finish d project in 6months...
Ds project is 2years 4month old 2day. He stopped d project for some times which is normal. My workers wanted variation due to inflation n time loss yet I told dem we won't do dt.. After one of Dos stoppage, we decided to do d fence, Pls note dt we dint discuss fence, d 32M was for d main building. So I asked to be paid for d fence.. Pls Mr spyder is dt a sin or a crime.. He was furious dt he won't pay, said so many things, I later sent him a mail to pay 500k knowing well dt he won't pay it n will offer a ridiculous amount as usual. He blasted n blasted dt he will fire me, infact he has fired me, later he sent another mail dt he will do d fence himself n I will continue wit d project.. I said no problem, do d fence ur sef.. If u go by d analysis he posted on d fence n gate house, he spent over 2M.. D record is still on Nairaland.. For Godsake, ds project is in Lasu iyano iba.. I will spend money on logistics, fuel n I av a family. N u don't want to pay.. I told him, Hw much will u pay for d fence n he insulted me.. We both moved on after d fence he cLled on me, we moved on, I bought doors for him n we continue d project..
Pls is it wrong to ask to be paid for fence work? If he had even said Elfad I will give u 50k or 100k. Withing Lagos here, I will do it.. Yet he spent 2.2M or more on d fence..
At d inception of any project I always advice my clients to get security men on ground.. For Mr fash's project we were paying 5k to a farmer who resides in d estate to stay over at our place.. We resumed to site, d plumber wrote out d mats he needed. Fash was buying dem in bites. Unfortunately some items were stolen after work had started, now ds is d issue,
wen we had nobody on ground no security man, d site had no door or window, not got missing. Wen d bricklayers he brought from ogbomoso came n DE sleep in d site o, mats get missing not ones bt twice..
B4 d 3rd purchase like Mr fash mentioned, we gave d list to his cousin, for some reasons, he refuse to give d list to fash, d same cousin dt all of a sudden started acting up, infact he benefited from my absence during d fence work n guess he was not happy I came back to d project.. Not until after a week or so b4 d list of mats needed was passed to fash. I sent several mgs to fash dt I av given d plumber d money he sent, honestly I dint want to mix up d cash in my hands, sincd he sent 30k fir d plumber, I simply sent it to d plumbers acct, and dt d materials shld b purchased on-time ooo.. I will leave d history..
Pls Hw has my workers charged me fash n Yinka high..for Mr Fash's project :
For a 4unit duplexes, d plumber charged 300k.. All rooms r ensuite. 16toilets and 4kitchen.. 2water tanks n all external works.
My electrician charge 230k for four unit attached duplexes... Pls Mr spyder is dt high.. I had to plead wit my team to take ds amount dt fash was my brother.
I av worked for d finance manager of floor mills of Nigeria tru ds platform. She can attest dt I am not in any way rude.. She doesn't know me b4, she's igbo n I am Yoruba yet we finished her work no quarrel.. We still exchanged new year mgs's. I av worked for some other pple on Nairaland, who r not in any way trying to cheat u for telling dem d truth Abt construction. It won't b right to mention dia names here..
I av chatted wit Haji M. Which I even told Mr Fash, I am sure Haji M would nt say I was rude or dint ans d questions he asked me..
I am tempted to talk Abt Mr fash's personality bt I won't.
His cousin n his friends r happy n benefiting from d fact dt I am not on d site. Fash has sent over 15M tru me n we dint av issues of I bought an item twice or I chop or dasuki his money.. There r so many things I am not at liberty to say because it will b wrong, even though Mr fash has decided to Spoil my name..
My Joy is dt, it is not a case of Elfad chop my money or.. I gave him money to buy A n he chop it or dt Elfad is incompetent...
If telling u d blunt truth is rudeness, no problem. If we can't respect each other because we know each other in Ch or because of age.. No problem.. Respect is Reciprocal de say..

ycoxyng:
Dele,

What is the the problem with you? You are fond of writing long Epistle full of lies. You are the reason why some projects are abandoned half way due to exploitation by you and your workers. For your information, I have built 2 properties before I met you thru Fash project on dis forum. My candid opinion about you is that you a wicked and have no conscience.

Am a private person and don't like to discuss my matter on a public forum, I think I need to open up a bit. Now let me refresh your memory on so many areas I had issue with you.

1. Your requested for the sum of N150K for supervising of the fence work. The fence that cost less than N400K. I finally paid you N60K after so much argument.

2. Casting of the raft labour. You insisted that I should pay N140k. Your attitude of don't negotiate labour charges forced me to pay this ridiculous amount. For you info, after I fired you, the Decking casting was done at the rate of N140k with two machines. Dele, you a big time cheat.

3. Materials savings; you don't save clients anything in fact it cost more. For example, the cement(145 bags) left after the German floor casting was enough to set the Blocks and casting of the Lintel. Your estimated numbers of cement was a fraud.

4. Supervision fee to Finish. You charged me the sum of N2.4M based on your wide dreams of sum of N24m to finish. I told you I will pay you N1.2m that I will not use N24m to finish my project. You insisted on N2m or nothing. You were so stubborn to deal with and you refused to shift grounds. To God be the glory the house is 85% completed and the total sum spent is N14m with quality and best of materials. Thank God I fired you. I would not have reached that level with u and your quack labourers.

5. Plumbing works; see your life. The N50K that I transferred to your account nko. Did you give the Plumber the money? Also, is N50k the labour for putting pipes waste in the raft foundation? Dele, you are cheat and between you and me, you never pay the plumber N50k. If you have integrity, you should have refund part of my money back.

I rest my case with you and if not for your unnecessary rants that you are not working with Fash again. Trying to gain sympathy from Nairaland for the action Fash took to fired you. Considering what I was able to achieve with my small money on that project, I will fire you one Million times. Yeye dey smell.

ycoxyng:
Dele,

What is the the problem with you? You are fond of writing long Epistle full of lies. You are the reason why some projects are abandoned half way due to exploitation by you and your workers. For your information, I have built 2 properties before I met you thru Fash project on dis forum. My candid opinion about you is that you a wicked and have no conscience.

Am a private person and don't like to discuss my matter on a public forum, I think I need to open up a bit. Now let me refresh your memory on so many areas I had issue with you.

1. Your requested for the sum of N150K for supervising of the fence work. The fence that cost less than N400K. I finally paid you N60K after so much argument.

2. Casting of the raft labour. You insisted that I should pay N140k. Your attitude of don't negotiate labour charges forced me to pay this ridiculous amount. For you info, after I fired you, the Decking casting was done at the rate of N140k with two machines. Dele, you a big time cheat.

3. Materials savings; you don't save clients anything in fact it cost more. For example, the cement(145 bags) left after the German floor casting was enough to set the Blocks and casting of the Lintel. Your estimated numbers of cement was a fraud.

4. Supervision fee to Finish. You charged me the sum of N2.4M based on your wide dreams of sum of N24m to finish. I told you I will pay you N1.2m that I will not use N24m to finish my project. You insisted on N2m or nothing. You were so stubborn to deal with and you refused to shift grounds. To God be the glory the house is 85% completed and the total sum spent is N14m with quality and best of materials. Thank God I fired you. I would not have reached that level with u and your quack labourers.

5. Plumbing works; see your life. The N50K that I transferred to your account nko. Did you give the Plumber the money? Also, is N50k the labour for putting pipes waste in the raft foundation? Dele, you are cheat and between you and me, you never pay the plumber N50k. If you have integrity, you should have refund part of my money back.

I rest my case with you and if not for your unnecessary rants that you are not working with Fash again. Trying to gain sympathy from Nairaland for the action Fash took to fired you. Considering what I was able to achieve with my small money on that project, I will fire you one Million times. Yeye dey smell.

fash78:


My brother abeg let's stop responding to Dele. Let's all move on. I have given him my last comments so I won't respond to him directly anymore and I would like you to do the same.
Elfad is the one that needs to protect his business name cos anybody reading all these will be very careful in dealing with you. Dele immediately I noticed your workers charge ridiculous amount I put up a plan in place as mitigation. If you noticed I stopped you from suggesting artisans or negotiate with them on my behalf. I am now directly negotiating with all the artisans working on my project except for the plumbers and electrician who I have paid so much that I could not go back and find someone else.
You know the main reasons I fired you. I warned you severally about the plumber and electrician when you were collecting money for them. I told you that we are overpaying these guys you said they won't run away. And that shebi we are paying them from the amount negotiated so no problem. I asked you I will hold you responsible for them if after collecting money they refused to complete their work. You said I should go ahead that they are your workers you will take responsibilities for them. How much patience do you want me to have since last year November thsy you collected 40K and 30K for the plumber and electricians respectively. You even asked for additional 15K for the plumber this January claiming he has spent the initial 40k and he didn't have transport money to come to site that is why he has not come to complete the work. I initially refused to send you the additional 15K but when I see you don't care if the work is stalled, I sent you the 15K for the plumber 2nd week of January. Up till now the work is still not done and you expect me to keep quiet?? I work for my money, so I expect you and your workers to do the same.

elfadconcept04:
Mr Funsho. I have not refuse to work on ur site. My plumber has not refuse or absconded...
We agreed on a day de will come to site to work, unfortunately de couldn't come because there was a pressing need to deliver on another of my job, we were also both working on my former bosses job dt was equally demanding attention n I apologized. I remember sending a mgs dt some works were demanding serious attention n dt was y we couldn't come. Guess u saw some of d pics of d lekki job on facebook.
In every construction, mechanical n Electrical r the last persons to leave d site.
U asked wen will den come? Unfortunately I could not give a definite ans on that Thursday wen u asked because another client wanted to use his house for his daughters wedding and All of a sudden, He started rushing to meet up so he could use d house. Like I mentioned, I could not ans d questions u asked so I decided to c how far I can meet up with d other demand n give a concrete ans and so I don't give another date n disappoint u. Like I did d previous week, wen I said de will come n de could not come. Thursday was still midweek n I could not rili give u a day, On Sunday I sent u a mgs dt d plumber will come on wed. Guess u dint read my mgs,b4 u sent me a stinker mgs with an ultimatum. Wow..
Anyways I am not quarreling with u.. Unfortunately n honestly, at ds stage of d work, it's not going to be easy for another plumber to understand Wat we have done. More so, your design Is a little complex. It's not in ur interest to get another plumber, bt u were too angry..and u want to prove a point. I rili would not like to use d kinds of words u usually use (I fired you) or words u use to attack me.. Each time I respond here, I am careful with words..just yday I ad a meeting with someone I met here on Nairaland n have worked for him. We discussed ds issues/tread n he asked if I av made effort to broker peace? I av tried not to call u names. Nevertheless I am open to finishing d job. D only problem I av with u is d fact dt u tink dt because u pay someone to do a job, den u can talk to d person anyhow.. I believe dts very wrong, we shld not even talk to our subordinates or d least pple around us anyhow.. D way u talk to me is Wat upsets me, wen I respond in d same manner, I am labelled rude. if u can Improve on dt (communication) or go back to d way u use to talk to me wen we started ds project den, there won't b any quarrels or misunderstanding. On the other hand, if u insist on using another person n de av Any issues. Call me. I will come look at it.

Mr Yinka like I said b4, din't know u ad grudges against me. Even wen fash sent me d mail u sent him, I still don't know it was u. I replied dt mail, and asked for a meeting iron out any issues, yet I don't get a reply. If I knew u ad grudges against me, I won't av d audacity to call u late last year, Wrt to the plumber not coming to ur site, it's Only normal dt u call his boss n not call him directly, unfortunately u dint call me, even wen I sent a msg Dt u shld not call dem bt call me.. Anyways I am opening to meeting with you like I mentioned in d last mail to settle any difference we have.

One thing I am happy about is dt, none of u av accused me of embezzlement of funds for materials which is usually the issues.
None of u av questioned my professional skills n Ability of Dt I did a bad job or dt my work n workmanship is not neat..
Wrt respect to labor rates, my labor rates are far cheaper Dan Wat ur Qs provides which is usually statutory. My labor rates are far cheaper than Wat ur BOQ stipulates. My labor rates r cheaper Dan Wat some other contractors take..
An example pple must realise is in tiling. The general direct labor rate is #300/350. Yet some guys will do 200/250(togo bois which is high risk Wrt workmanship not all of dem r Gud) some other tilers take 450/500 and some take 700 for granite n Marble.. Some folks will say is marble not tiles too? N want to pay 250/350. .
My advice to all dt care, in as much as u don't compromise materials try not to compromise labor.. U will pay twice wen u compromise labor/workmanship..

elfadconcept04:
Pls Dos who want d windows b careful of cheap, d quality of d Windows n burglary is questionable . D welder used white light pipe for burglary hence d price is cheaper Dan black pipe or black thick pipe..
D question is, do u want to use a white pipe for ur burglary U can ask ur Engr for d merits n demerit.. Cheap is never quality dt don't also b naive Abt price. Check ur prices.

fash78:
Folks i am happy to tell you that work has commenced after the little set back. I have now engaged a new plumber (Rotech) and a new electrician to finish the abandoned work. We will also be drilling the borehole and complete the soakaway by next week.

I will try and provide progress updates as soon as I can.

fash78:
Folks i am happy to tell you that work has commenced after the little set back. I have now engaged a new plumber (Rotech) and a new electrician to finish the abandoned work. We will also be drilling the borehole and complete the soakaway by next week.
I will try and provide progress updates as soon as I can.

fash78:
Folks i am happy to tell you that work has commenced after the little set back. I have now engaged a new plumber (Rotech) and a new electrician to finish the abandoned work. We will also be drilling the borehole and complete the soakaway by next week.

I will try and provide progress updates as soon as I can.

mufutau55:
@Fash78

I am glad all the artisans I recommended did not disappointed us.
When I recommended this guys I always put my reputation at stake and so far no disappointment.
I am also happy that the work is going well.. God will surely provide you more funds to get everything finished and soon.
May God Almighty also provide for those who are wishing to do the same. Stay blessed Brother Fash28.

Note: The window hoods and the aluminium windows are very nicely done too. Everything is surely coming together.

Please make sure they fix that big gash on the bigger precast soak-away with concrete mortar before they actually sunk it o.

Thanks Hajji M. The defects will be corrected before the tanks are sunk into the ground. Thanks for your kind words.
Hajji M.

fash78:
Total amount for imported casement window complete with net and installation is N1,070,000.
Total number of windows = 63pcs

Breakdown of cost.
1800mm by 12000 @ N22K (1pc) ----------------------------------------------------22K
1500mm by 1200mm @ 20K (20pcs) --------------------------------------------------400K
1500mm by 900mm @ 15K (2pcs) ------------------------------------------------------30K
1200mm by 700mm @ 12K (2pcs) ------------------------------------------------------24K
600mm by 700mm @ 6.5K (6pcs) ------------------------------------------------------39K
1700mm by 1200mm @ 12K (2pcs) ------------------------------------------------------24K
800mm by 1200mm @ 12K (4pcs) ------------------------------------------------------48K
1200mm by 1730mm double leave with arc @ 19.5K (8pcs) -------------------------156K
1200mm by 1200mm @ 12K (7pcs) ------------------------------------------------------84K
1000mm by 1200mm @ 10K (1pcs) ------------------------------------------------------10K
1200mm by 900mm @ 11K (2pcs) ------------------------------------------------------22K
900mm by 1200mm @ 7K (4pcs) ------------------------------------------------------28K
1000mm by 900mm @ 10K (1pcs) ------------------------------------------------------10K
570mm by 600mm @ 8K (1pcs) -------------------------------------------------------8K
1000mm by 2870mm fixed light @ 50K (2pcs) -------------------------------------100K
Total -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------N1,005,000
Transportation ------------------------------------------------------------------------------N25,000
Installation -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------N40,000
Gross Total -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------N1,070,000

Dominionng:
Met with Mr Fash last month and we were able to reach an agreement for this project. Fast-forward to 3weeks later, scarcity and increase in materials cost hit the POP market I was left with two choices, either to drop the project, or count my losses and score point. I go with the later!

Above all, we still appreciate the opportunity.

We were able to move to site last weekend, but real work started on Monday(5days ago).

Project: Mr Fash

Details: 2 units of 4bedroom duplex and 2 units of 3 bedroom duplex

Budget: Undisclosed

Designs: Budget and Average Designs

Duration: 24days.

Process pictures to be posted later.

Regards...