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Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by dolphinheart(m): 12:20am On May 21, 2016 |
UP TILL NOW, YOU BROCAB, HAVE NOT BEEN ABLE TO SHOW OR POINT TO WHERE I SAID THE WORDS YOU ARE ACUSSING ME OF SAYING. christians are not supposed to lay false accusations. brocab:Haba! are you saying christians can make false accusations, thus I'm not supposed to call myself a Christian? JW's are proven to be the greatest lairs when any religion is involved.and yet I've been able to show you from the bible how true their beliefs where until you started lying about them. I had asked you to prove, where I had lied against {Revelation 1:7-8} Please show the world who's lying, dolphinheart or the word of God. Ill do so , after you have quoted and explained rev 1:1,4-6, heb 1:9 And tell us who is talking in rev 3:2,12 1 Like |
Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by dolphinheart(m): 12:22am On May 21, 2016 |
johnw74:but you can quote them, and anytime they ask you a question about the scriptures, you remember you dnt discuss with them! phony 2 Likes |
Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by johnw74: 12:28am On May 21, 2016 |
Barristter07: ha ha, every word I said is true, and look how pharacee jw tries to trap me in my words like their forefathers tried to trap Jesus Matthew 22:15 Then the Pharisees went out and laid plans to trap him in his words Luke 11:53 When Jesus went outside, the Pharisees and the teachers of the law began to oppose him fiercely and to besiege him with questions, 54 waiting to catch him in something he might say. Mark 12:15 Should we pay or shouldn’t we?” But Jesus knew their hypocrisy. “Why are you trying to trap me?” he asked. “Bring me a denarius and let me look at it.” I said from my memory "look out Jesus, said a disciple, they are trying to trap you" I never said it's from the bible although at the time I thought it would have been barristter jumped in with provide the scripture I told him he could look for it I remembered later that I saw and heard it in one of the Jesus movies, no lie said by me at all but plenty of false jw lies have been exposed in this thread alone ha ha they tried so hard to trap me in my words, and look at the many many false jw lies that have been exposed just in these few pages dolphinheart: dolphinheart: they are a queer lot 1 Like |
Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by johnw74: 12:32am On May 21, 2016 |
dolphinheart: yes, you are right I quote false jw and show them where they are wrong and lying and yes, I don't discuss with them, you've got it boy, **** 1 Like |
Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by brocab: 12:34am On May 21, 2016 |
If you really believe that calling someone a lair is your way of being polite, then you really need to sit down and read the scriptures, and listen to what Jesus has to say about insulting people like you. {Matthew 5:11} Blessed are you when people insult you, persecute and falsely say or kinds of evil against you. "because of Me. dolphinheart: |
Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by brocab: 12:38am On May 21, 2016 |
First answer {Revelation 1:7-8} and then we will quote the others again and again and again. . dolphinheart: |
Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by Nobody: 12:38am On May 21, 2016 |
[quote author=dolphinheart post=45813378] OK I will take it as u don't even av a clue of wat u said that Jesus has same nature as Godread the post again sir!, expecially where I quoted philipians 2: 6. Your questions are still pendingby now at least u questions should av been answered at least reduced but as usual. But u av energy to waste shia o |
Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by brocab: 12:54am On May 21, 2016 |
Quote>Christians are not suppose to make false allegations, then why does dolphinheart claiming to be Christian, When it is "he" who gives out these false allegations against other Christians in Christ. If you were a true Christian then act like one. dolphinheart: |
Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by brocab: 1:05am On May 21, 2016 |
STILL CANT ANSWER {REVELATION 1:7-8} dolphinheart: |
Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by johnw74: 1:06am On May 21, 2016 |
lying is so ingrained in pharacee jw that they think everyone lies like they do when they speak a lie they are speaking naturally Joh 8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it. like father like son |
Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by Nobody: 1:09am On May 21, 2016 |
[quote author=dolphinheart post=45817899] that's what you programmed your eyes to see. read it again, slowly this time, examine the places I mentioned nature!I didn't ask for the place where u mention nature, BUT SHOW ME THE PLACE WHERE YOU EXPLAINED WHAT YOU MEANT BY SAYING JESUS HAS SAME NATURE AS GOD. DON'T BE ASHAMED JUST ADMIT DAT YOU LIED OR YOU NEVER MEANT WHAT YOU SAID SIMPLE I've done that extensively, I can't be blamed for your failure to see it .oga show me if you yourself can see it meanwhile, your questions are still pendingkeep on pending it until Armageddon comes |
Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by johnw74: 1:17am On May 21, 2016 |
mote pharisee jw lies, false prophets: 1925 - "Millions Now Living Will Never Die" "Millions now living will never die!" was exclaimed by Rutherford in a series of public lectures starting 1918. This was related to his prophecy that the earthly resurrection would commence 1925, with the return to life of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, and became the focus of the preaching work in the following years. must read this: http://www.jwfacts.com/watchtower/1925.php Mat_7:15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. that and many scriptures describes pharisee false jw so well 1 Like |
Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by brocab: 1:24am On May 21, 2016 |
Finely we have a JW who had finely agreed who the Almighty is, its Jesus. And Jesus is the ruler of all the universe {creation}>{Colossians 1:15-17} The Son is the image of the invisible God, the first born over all creation. {V 16} For in Him all things were created, things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, weather thrones or dominions, or rulers or authorities, all things were created through Him and for Him, {V 17} He is before all things, and in Him all things hold together. Barristter07: |
Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by Nobody: 1:45am On May 21, 2016 |
[quote author=dolphinheart post=45818308] now let's look at my question again: "] OK for your ranting to stop God gives revelation to Jesus to show his servants things that will come to pass shortly because Jesus is the mediator between God and man. Jesus signify it through an angel. [ quote]and tell us who is talking in rev 3:2,12.]I already told you it was Jesus Vs 4 John convenes greeting from the father referred to as he which was n which is, n which is to come and also from the seven spirit of God. Vs 5 John convenes greeting from Jesus who he described as a faithful witness referring again to Christ mediatorship also, it also reveals that Christ redeemed Christians with his blood Vs 6 they are now priest unto God. [ quote]finally can you tell us what you think about heb 1:9I av address that if you can't explain these verses, then its you that needs forgiveness." Now let's look at your deliberately seperated answers: |
Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by Barristter07: 3:29am On May 21, 2016 |
brocab brocab: I didnt ask you who God use to create the universe . if u dont understand anything you ask, the ruler of all or Ruler of the universe describes the Highest Authority in the universe My question is : Is Jesus the Ruler of All ? which means is Jesus the Highest Authority in the universe ? 1 Cor 15:28 1 Like |
Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by Barristter07: 3:37am On May 21, 2016 |
solite3 solite3: you can still continue this lie. " You can search the translations, FOR IT " johnw74 if you get mind, tell me what he implied by translations ? if its not Bible .
am expecting your reply . 1 Like |
Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by Barristter07: 4:01am On May 21, 2016 |
johnw74 johnw74: [size=28] None of Jesus disciple told him that !!! u are a plain liar [/size] just imagine , you share a false information about Christ disciple from ur memory .
BUSTED! then wat do u mean by search for it in Translations ? kindly lie again that what u mean by translations is not bible hahahaha
BUSTED !
from where do you told Barrister to look for it ? 1 Like |
Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by brocab: 7:10am On May 21, 2016 |
Yes Jesus is the highest of all the universe He is the image of the invisible God, the first born over all creation, For by Him all things were created that are in heaven and that are on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers, All things were created through Him and for Him {Jesus} And He is before all things, and in Him all things consist. Jesus said to the Jehovah witnesses {John 10:30} I and the Father are one. {BUT THE JW'S DIDN'T BELIEVE IT} {John 8:58} Jesus said "Before Abraham was born I Am. Jesus holds that same name as the Most high God "I Am. {BUT THE JW'S DIDN'T BELIEVE IT} {Isaiah 9:6} For us a child is born unto us, and a son is given, and the government shall be upon His shoulder, and His name shall be called wonderful Counsellor, Mighty God, Ever lasting Father, Prince of peace. {BUT THE JW'S DIDN'T BELIEVE IT} So barristter07 why fight your argument, Jesus is equal to God. If God is called the Almighty, Jesus is called the Almighty, God said I Am, Jesus said I Am. {John 14:6} Jesus said to Jehovah witnesses, I Am the way the truth and the life, no-one comes to the Father except through Me. Jesus then said to the Jehovah witnesses If you had known Me, you would have known My Father also, and from now on, you know Him because you have seen Him. The Jehovah witnesses said show as the Father, Jesus said to the JW's have I been with you so long, and yet you have not known Me, Jesus said, He who has seen Me has seen the Father, so how can the JW's say show us the Father? {BECAUSE THE JW'S DIDN'T BELIEVE IT} Barristter07: |
Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by brocab: 8:01am On May 21, 2016 |
Very childish, shame on you Barristter07 {Wake up to yourself} Barristter07: |
Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by Nobody: 8:04am On May 21, 2016 |
Barristter07:@ bold u mean God used another to create the universe? 1 Like |
Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by Barristter07: 8:22am On May 21, 2016 |
brocab brocab: I have a zero tolerance for lies , expecially the bold none of the scriptures you quote above said Jesus is the ruler of the universe or Jesus is equal to God ! john 14:28 I want you to answer me because if you are not using your thinking faculty as advised in the Bible book of proverb , its a disaster " Next, the end when he [Jesus] hands over the kingdom to [size=27] his God [/size] and father " 1 cor 15:24 brocab , tell me : Can the Ruler of the whole universe have HIS OWN GOD Too ? " " but when all things will have been subjected to him, then the son himself will also subject himself to the one who subject all things to him" 1 Corinthians 15:28 brocab, the Ruler of the universe cannot be subjected to anyone , will Jesus be subjected ? ITS CLEARLy evident that Jesus is not the Highest authority in the universe . if u get mind .. answer those two questions, 1 Like |
Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by Barristter07: 8:37am On May 21, 2016 |
solite3 solite3: see what poor bible reading habit did to you " God ... these last days He has spoken to us by His Son, whom He appointed heir of all things, and through whom He made the universe. " Heb 1:1,2 1 Like |
Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by Jozzy4: 9:42am On May 21, 2016 |
[quote author=solite3 post=45810028][/quote] Jesus Christ will be subjected to His God and Father as stated in 1 Corinthians 15:28 , do u agreeeeeee ? 1 Like |
Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by dolphinheart(m): 11:57am On May 21, 2016 |
brocab: me and solite3 will get to his question part shortly . but for you, I'll repeat what I told him earlier: only dubious people answer question with a question, hope you are not dubious brocab? If you want that question answered, you can help him answer the question he was asked before he replied with a question, then ask these and ill answer you. brocab, you asked me to show you certain scriptures, I've done so, but no response from you yet ! This was your request: brocab: this was my response: dolphinheart: UP TILL NOW NO RESPONSE ABOUT THOSE SCRIPTURES FROM YOU, YOU HAVE REFUSED TO QUOTE AND EXPLAIN THEM. you have also refused to respond to these questions and scripture: [b]Just tell us the name of the church you associate with, that you are a member of!. If possible you can include its official website, at least you surpport using technology in Gods work. Tell us, do you know that Jesus Christ told someone that he has a God? And that statement was recorded in the kjv.? Can you tell us where this can be found? If you can't answer this question brocab, then you dnt know the truth about Christ!. Expecially. The one spoken by Jesus himself. Examine this questions brocab 1. If you say one body, one spirit, was Jesus a spirit before he came to earth? 2. When Jesus was on earth, was the spirit in him his, the father or the holy spirit.? 3. After Jesus left the earth, did he remain in the body or became a spirit? 4. What does Jesus mean by " the father is greater than I am" 5. Why does Jesus say he is going to the father when you are trying to say he is spirit. 6. You asked a question, the answer is yes, but ill like to ask you, what about the soul, why did you remove the soul when fomulating your question. You cannot answer if Jesus is the same person as the father. You can't do this : Simply quote and explain rev 1:1,4 -6 from any translation of your choice Tell use who is talking in rev 3:2,12..... brocab , readers will note(again) that you have NOT quoted and explained ANY of the following scriptures : 1.rev 1:1,6 2. Rev 3, 2,13 3. John 17:1-3 4. Heb 1:1 -9 5. John 20:17 6. 1 cor 11:3 7 . 1 ti 2 :5,6 8.Acts 4:10 9. Acts 2:36 10. Acts 2:24 11. Acts 5:30 12.Acts 10:38,40,43 11. Phil 2:9,11 12. john 14:6 13. Acts 4 : 26,27, 30 14. 1 john 4:14 15. Heb 5:7 16. ps 28:18 And a host of others Brocab , examine these scripture Acts 5: 31. Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins. John 3:16. For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. Jesus is Gods only begotten son, Jesus is not God almighty![/b] 1 Like |
Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by dolphinheart(m): 12:00pm On May 21, 2016 |
johnw74: good to note that anytime they ask you questions relating to the scriptures, you remember you dnt discuss with them. 1 Like |
Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by dolphinheart(m): 12:07pm On May 21, 2016 |
brocab:where and when did the issue of being polite come into these now, you just like to bring up things as if they where previously part of the discussion. I never said callin someone a liar is my way of being polite, brocab dnt attribute things I never said nor believed to me! then you really need to sit down and read the scriptures, and listen to what Jesus has to say about insulting people like you.well, for a fact, my words where facts supported by proof. If someone lies, that person is called a liar! 1 Like |
Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by dolphinheart(m): 12:14pm On May 21, 2016 |
[quote author=solite3 post=45819168][/quote] 1. If you read the posts I pasted concerning jesus having same nature as God , you will see the explanations there, you where so busy making false allegations that I said Jesus and God have one nature that you did not see it, I've shown you again, and you are now actin as if it's not there! 1 Like |
Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by dolphinheart(m): 12:32pm On May 21, 2016 |
NOW LETS LOOK AT REV 1:7,8 brocab and solite3, I told you that to understand rev 1:7,8 better, one must first quote and understand what rev 1: 1,4-6 says, thus I requested for the past 20 pages that you quote and explain those verses, I also added heb 1:9 And rev 3:2,12 to it. sincerely, I thought I would eventually be given an explanation in just I straight post, no one comes to an exam hall, answer part of the questions and expect to be allowed to come part the next day to answer other parts I thought. but that is exactly what brocab and solite3 tried to do. WHenever the question was repeated to them, they will only answer snippets of it. They sometimes quote the verses and refuse to explain them or tried to give an explanation without quoting those verses. They scattered their answers into many posts so that it will seem that they had answered all , which they tried to claim anyway. now I will give a detailed explanation of these verses , surpport it with other verses of the scriptures . After these ill ask brocab and solite3 a series of questions which readers will observe and notice to see if they will answer it or not. I'll not respond to quotes until I finish my explanations my next post will start with rev 1:1 1 Like |
Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by dolphinheart(m): 1:18pm On May 21, 2016 |
rev 1:1 The revelation of Jesus Christ,WHICH GOD GAVE HIM to show to his servants a the things that must soon take place. He made it known by sending his angel to his servant b John, WHAT DOES THESE VERSE TELL US(pls brocab and solite3, you can disprove the following facts if you want to , but pls notice they are numbered, therefore if you want to challenge any of them, just signify first the number you have issues with, if this is not done, them it's shows that you aim is just to disrupt the facts given and not to counter, correct or disprove it) it tells us that: 1. The revelation comes from God and was given to Jesus 2. "God " in these verse and "Jesus" in these verse are not the same person 3. God here is different from Jesus 4. It was God that wants jesus to show his servants the things that must shortly take place 5. Jesus now made the revelation from God known through his angel to his servant John 6. thereforE the revelation involved 4 persons , God, Jesus , the angel and John. do we have other scriptures to surpport rev 1:1 and the explanation giving about it? daniel w:28 English Standard Version but there is a God in heaven who reveals mysteries, and he has made known to King Nebuchadnezzar what will be in the latter days. Your dream and the visions of your head as you lay in bed are these: NOW WHO IS THAT GOD ? King James Version Am 3:7Surely the Lord GOD will do nothing, but he revealeth his secret unto his servants the prophets Now we all know that the kjv removed the name of God from that verse , so in other to know the name if the God that reveals his secrets to his servants , I'll have to quote from anether transLation that did not remove gods name from that verse American Standard Version Surely the Lord Jehovah will do nothing, except he reveal his secret unto his servants the prophets. New World Translation For the Sovereign Lord Jehovah will not do a thing Unless he has revealed his confidential matter to his servants the prophets. NOW THESE QUESTIONS GOES TO YOU BROCAB AND SOLITE3 1. do you agree with all or some of the numbered points on rev 1:1? 2. do you agree that the name of the God who reveal secrets is Jehovah ? 3. do you agree that the God in rev 1:1, who gave the Revelation to jesus is Jehovah? READERS SHOULD NOTE , IF THEY RESPOND TO THESE SCRIPTURES AND TO THE QUESTIONS ASKED WHEN THEY QUOTE THESE POST. READERS SHOULD ALSO NOTE IFATHER THEY ATTEMPT TO CUT OF PART OF THESE POST WHEN THEY RESPOND. cc: Barristter07 , jozzy4, and others now ill move to rev 1:4 2 Likes |
Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by dolphinheart(m): 2:31pm On May 21, 2016 |
[b] rev 1:4(ESV) John to the seven churches that are in Asia: Grace to you and peace from him who is and who was and who is to come, and from the seven spirits who are before his throne actually, I'm supposed to quote from verse 4-6, I'll do that next, but I specifically quoted verse 4, just to bring out some interesting things said by brocab and solite3 on these verse. WHAT DO WE LEARN FROM THESE VERSE?( brocab and solite3 can respond if what I learned are wrong . 1. John was sending his greeting from (1) the one who is, and who was, and who is to come ( the identity of these one will be revealed later ) and (2) the seven spirits 2. The greetings are from two distinct sources , the one who is, who was, and who is to come, is not the same person as the seven spirits who are before His throne. NOW LETS SEE SOME OF BROCABS AND SOLITE3 POSTS CONNECT ING THESE VERSE *readers can cross check if I quoted them correctly or wrongly take note of part of what brocab said on April 22, 11:54pm(this can be found on page 40 of these thread It is Jesus who was, who is, and who is coming, it is Jesus who has the name the Alpha and the Omega. But it shows the scholars had taken Jesus's name out of text and replaced it with Jehovah God. part of what brocab said oh april 30, 3:41am( this can be found on page 40 of these thread) {4} John" to be the seven assemblies {Churches} that are in Asia; Grace to you and Peace, from Him {Jesus} who is and who was and who is to come; and from the seven Spirits who are before His throne; part of what brocab said on may 8 , 10:26pm(this can be found on page 41) YOU DENY THE WORD OF GOD BY YOUR OWN ACTIONS, DENYING "WHO IS, "WHO WAS, AND "WHO IS TO COME, DENYING CHRIST IS CHRIST WAS AND CHRIST IS TO COME Now see what solite3 said on may 6 9:55.(This can be found on page 45) churches which are in Asia: Grace be unto you, and peace, from him which was, and which is to come(referring to The father);and from the seven Spirits which are before his throne( referring to the Holy Spirit) brocab and solite3, who should we now believe between the two of you brocab: the one who is, who was and who is to come is jesus solite3: the one who is, who was and who is to come refers to the father. This brings about the question(PLS EVERYONE SHOULD OBSERVE IF BROCAB AND SOLITE3 WILL ANSWER THESE) 1. is jesus the same person as the father? 2. If not , how can both now be the one who is, who was and who is coming? while we wait for these answers, I'll move on to quote and explain my views on rev 1:4-6 1 Like |
Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by Nobody: 3:14pm On May 21, 2016 |
Barristter07:very good. Now your dilemma respond to my next post if you can |
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