UP TILL NOW, YOU BROCAB, HAVE NOT BEEN ABLE TO SHOW OR POINT TO WHERE I SAID THE WORDS YOU ARE ACUSSING ME OF SAYING.
christians are not supposed to lay false accusations.

brocab:
If Christians are not suppose to make false allegations, then why do you call yourself a Christian in the first place.

Haba! are you saying christians can make false accusations, thus I'm not supposed to call myself a Christian?

JW's are proven to be the greatest lairs when any religion is involved.
Hypocrites for you shut up the Kingdom of heaven against men, for you neither go in yourselves, nor do you allow those who are entering to go in.

and yet I've been able to show you from the bible how true their beliefs where until you started lying about them.

I had asked you to prove, where I had lied against {Revelation 1:7-8} Please show the world who's lying, dolphinheart or the word of God.

Ill do so , after you have quoted and explained rev 1:1,4-6, heb 1:9
And tell us who is talking in rev 3:2,12

johnw74:


I know you dumb
but again, I don't discuss truth with satans church

I have showed your plenty of lies though

but you can quote them, and anytime they ask you a question about the scriptures, you remember you dnt discuss with them! phony

Barristter07:
johnw74



you are putting yourself in more trouble .


- [size=27] this post above shows that you johnw74 is deceiving the readers by posting MISLEADING INFORMATION.
[/size]

there are some readers on Nairaland that doesnt bother to comment, so at first glance they will be mislead by your statement.

" look out Jesus said a Disciple
" . u never reveal this statement wasnt found in the bible UNTIL you are PreSSEd like an Orange. so such a reader who belives every thing, on seeing disciple
will believe its from the Bible ? thereby spreading false information.


2) To examine ur statement, I asked: show me where that statement can be found in the bible ? [size=23] you didnt confess
[/size] instead

to which you johnw74 replied:



you now denied you never said its in the bible , ,why did you now said readers should search the translations for it ?

ha ha, every word I said is true, and look how pharacee jw tries to trap me in my words
like their forefathers tried to trap Jesus

Matthew 22:15 Then the Pharisees went out and laid plans to trap him in his words

Luke 11:53 When Jesus went outside, the Pharisees and the teachers of the law began to oppose him fiercely and to besiege him with questions,
54 waiting to catch him in something he might say.

Mark 12:15 Should we pay or shouldn’t we?” But Jesus knew their hypocrisy. “Why are you trying to trap me?” he asked. “Bring me a denarius and let me look at it.”




I said from my memory "look out Jesus, said a disciple, they are trying to trap you"

I never said it's from the bible although at the time I thought it would have been


barristter jumped in with provide the scripture
I told him he could look for it


I remembered later that I saw and heard it in one of the Jesus movies,
no lie said by me at all
but plenty of false jw lies have been exposed in this thread alone



ha ha they tried so hard to trap me in my words, and look at the many many false jw lies that have been exposed
just in these few pages

dolphinheart:


oh my!

dolphinheart:

I do understand sir, I've been following his denial on these thread ever since you asked him that question

they are a queer lot

dolphinheart:

but you can quote them, and anytime they ask you a question about the scriptures, you remember you dnt discuss with them! phony

yes, you are right I quote false jw and show them where they are wrong and lying
and yes, I don't discuss with them, you've got it
boy, ****

If you really believe that calling someone a lair is your way of being polite, then you really need to sit down and read the scriptures, and listen to what Jesus has to say about insulting people like you.
{Matthew 5:11} Blessed are you when people insult you, persecute and falsely say or kinds of evil against you. "because of Me.

dolphinheart:

it's dolphinheart , not dolphineheart, unless you are referring to another moniker.

Sir, making allegations without proof is a bad trait, did you make false allegations without proof? yes you did!
therefore It is not an insult, I'm just describing what you did! and what you did was bad!
when someone lies deliberately , what do you call that person? A liar!. It is not an insult, it's just stating the facts.
even when I accuse you or him of making false allegations or lying, I first ask you to provide evidence or proof to surpport your claims, you do not provide it, thus the statement " false accuser" and "liar" sticks.

your questions are still pending

Jesus has a God? yes or no
Jesus is subjected to that God ? yes or no
if Jesus have a God, how can He then be almighty God !

1. On April 27, I asked you to do this:
" maybe you that knows the implication can explain what you understand by what's recorded in revelation 1:1, 4-6
and tell us who is talking in rev 3:2,12.
finally can you tell us what you think about heb 1:9 "

2. on April 27 this request
"for those saying Jesus is God.. pls. explain these Scripture for me ... Ephesians 5:1,2 1timothy 2:5 John 8:42 Act 2:22 Hebrews 12:2...... "

3. on April 29
" the God of our Lord Jesus Christ " Eph 1:17, who is the God of Jesus Christ ?
4. "You say Jesus is still a man in heaven, you also say Jesus has a God when he was a man.

NOW DOES Jesus STILL HAVE A GOD IN HEAVEN?"
who anointed Jesus? who is that person to Jesus?
you can see that the questions are numbered, so dnt muddle it up , or give part response

First answer {Revelation 1:7-8} and then we will quote the others again and again and again. .

dolphinheart:
UP TILL NOW, YOU BROCAB, HAVE NOT BEEN ABLE TO SHOW OR POINT TO WHERE I SAID THE WORDS YOU ARE ACUSSING ME OF SAYING.
christians are not supposed to lay false accusations.


Haba! are you saying christians can make false accusations, thus I'm not supposed to call myself a Christian?



and yet I've been able to show you from the bible how true their beliefs where until you started lying about them.


Ill do so , after you have quoted and explained rev 1:1,4-6, heb 1:9
And tell us who is talking in rev 3:2,12

[quote author=dolphinheart post=45813378]

read the post again sir!, expecially where I quoted philipians 2: 6.

OK I will take it as u don't even av a clue of wat u said that Jesus has same nature as God

Your questions are still pending
Jesus has a God? yes or no
Jesus is subjected to that God ? yes or no
if Jesus have a God, how can He then be almighty God !

1. On April 27, I asked you to do this:
" maybe you that knows the implication can explain what you understand by what's recorded in revelation 1:1, 4-6
and tell us who is talking in rev 3:2,12.
finally can you tell us what you think about heb 1:9 "

2. on April 27 this request
"for those saying Jesus is God.. pls. explain these Scripture for me ... Ephesians 5:1,2 1timothy 2:5 John 8:42 Act 2:22 Hebrews 12:2...... "

3. on April 29
" the God of our Lord Jesus Christ " Eph 1:17, who is the God of Jesus Christ ?

4. "You say Jesus is still a man in heaven, you also say Jesus has a God when he was a man.

NOW DOES Jesus STILL HAVE A GOD IN HEAVEN?"
who anointed Jesus? who is that person to Jesus?
you can see that the questions are numbered, so dnt muddle it up or answer partly

by now at least u questions should av been answered at least reduced but as usual. But u av energy to waste shia o

Quote>Christians are not suppose to make false allegations, then why does dolphinheart claiming to be Christian, When it is "he" who gives out these false allegations against other Christians in Christ. If you were a true Christian then act like one.

dolphinheart:
UP TILL NOW, YOU BROCAB, HAVE NOT BEEN ABLE TO SHOW OR POINT TO WHERE I SAID THE WORDS YOU ARE ACUSSING ME OF SAYING.
christians are not supposed to lay false accusations.


Haba! are you saying christians can make false accusations, thus I'm not supposed to call myself a Christian?



and yet I've been able to show you from the bible how true their beliefs where until you started lying about them.


Ill do so , after you have quoted and explained rev 1:1,4-6, heb 1:9
And tell us who is talking in rev 3:2,12

STILL CANT ANSWER {REVELATION 1:7-8}

dolphinheart:


READERS SHOULD STILL CONTINUE TO NOTE BROCABS REFUSAL TO RESPOND TO THE SCRIPTURES QUOTED TO HIM OR THE QUESTIONS POSTED TO HIM. ALSO TO BE NOTED IS THAT ONCE A RESPONSE IS BEING GIVEN TO HIM ON THE SCRIPTURES HE RAISED HE WILL NOT RESPOND AGAIN ONLY TO COME AND REPEAT THE WHOLE THING LATER.
HE JUST DID THE SAME THING TO THIS POST.



LIAR!!!!!
if you are not a liar, Copy and paste those responses, including yours in your reply to this post. answer to the request as stipulated and do not answer parts leaving other parts unanswered.

PLEASE NOTICE IF HE WILL DO THIS


for ya mind!


have I ever said I wunt tell him about rev 1: 7,8? no 

what have I said and have been saying all this while about that scripture.?
brocab quote and explain rev 1:1,4-6 and heb 1:9, tell us who is talking in rev 3:2,12.
do the above and ill explain rev 1:7,8 to you.
I want you to use your own words to expose yourself.

have I ever deviated from the above? no 

Why do i insist on him first explaining rev 1:1,4-6, heb 1:9 And telling who is talking in rev 3:2,12 before telling him about rev 1:7,8?

because 
1. He had once postulated false teachings about rev 1:7,8, this false teachings will be exposed and cleared if we examine rev 1:1,4-6, heb 1:9 And rev 3:2,12.
2. He will, as usual run away from the issue if I give him an explanation, only to come back later to ask the same question an answer has already been given, so I've decided that on these issue, he will use his own mouth to expose himself. He knows these, he knows those scriptures I asked him to quote and explain will expose his false teachings, hence he refuses to do so!. I've even promised to explain rev 1:7,8 to him if he quotes and explain those scriptures, but he still refuses to do so.
3. The note below is a third reason


ISSUES YOU REFUSE TO RESPOND TO
Why the kjv removed the name of God in most places it occured in the scriptures, I've asked you about it several times, but you refuse to respond

* pls note if he will respond in his reply

Note :
you have refused to: 

Just tell us the name of the church you associate with, that you are a member of!. If possible you can include its official website, at least you surpport using technology in Gods work. 

Tell us, do you know that Jesus Christ told someone that he has a God? And that statement was recorded in the kjv.? Can you tell us where this can be found?
If you can't answer this question brocab, then you dnt know the truth about Christ!. 
Expecially. The one spoken by Jesus himself.

Examine this questions brocab 1. If you say one body, one spirit, was Jesus a spirit before he came to earth? 
2. When Jesus was on earth, was the spirit in him his, the father or the holy spirit.?
3. After Jesus left the earth, did he remain in the body or became a spirit? 
4. What does Jesus mean by " the father is greater than I am" 
5. Why does Jesus say he is going to the father when you are trying to say he is spirit. 
6. You asked a question, the answer is yes, but ill like to ask you, what about the soul, why did you remove the soul when fomulating your question.

You cannot answer if Jesus is the same person as the father.

You can't do this :
Simply quote and explain rev 1:1,4 -6 from any translation of your choice
Tell use who is talking in rev 3:2,12.....

brocab , readers will note(again) that you have NOT quoted and explained ANY of the following scriptures :

1.rev 1:1,6
2. Rev 3, 2,13
3. John 17:1-3
4. Heb 1:1 -9 
5. John 20:17
6. 1 cor 11:3 
7 . 1 ti 2 :5,6
8.Acts 4:10
9. Acts 2:36
10. Acts 2:24
11. Acts 5:30
12.Acts 10:38,40,43
11. Phil 2:9,11 
12. john 14:6 
13. Acts 4 : 26,27, 30
14. 1 john 4:14
15. Heb 5:7 
16. ps 28:18

And a host of others

Brocab , examine these scripture 
Acts 5: 31.
Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.
John 3:16.
For God so loved the world,
that he gave his only begotten
Son, that whosoever believeth
in him should not perish, but
have everlasting life.

Jesus is Gods only begotten son, Jesus is not God!

lying is so ingrained in pharacee jw that they think everyone lies like they do
when they speak a lie they are speaking naturally

Joh 8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

like father like son

[quote author=dolphinheart post=45817899]

that's what you programmed your eyes to see. read it again, slowly this time, examine the places I mentioned nature!

I didn't ask for the place where u mention nature, BUT SHOW ME THE PLACE WHERE YOU EXPLAINED WHAT YOU MEANT BY SAYING JESUS HAS SAME NATURE AS GOD. DON'T BE ASHAMED JUST ADMIT DAT YOU LIED OR YOU NEVER MEANT WHAT YOU SAID SIMPLE

I've done that extensively, I can't be blamed for your failure to see it .

oga show me if you yourself can see it

meanwhile, your questions are still pending

1. On April 27, I asked you to do this:
" maybe you that knows the implication can explain what you understand by what's recorded in revelation 1:1, 4-6
and tell us who is talking in rev 3:2,12.
finally can you tell us what you think about heb 1:9 "

2. on April 27 this request
"for those saying Jesus is God.. pls. explain these Scripture for me ... Ephesians 5:1,2 1timothy 2:5 John 8:42 Act 2:22 Hebrews 12:2...... "

3. on April 29
" the God of our Lord Jesus Christ " Eph 1:17, who is the God of Jesus Christ ?

4. "You say Jesus is still a man in heaven, you also say Jesus has a God when he was a man.
NOW DOES Jesus STILL HAVE A GOD IN HEAVEN?"
who anointed Jesus? who is that person to Jesus?
you can see that the questions are numbered, so dnt muddle it up or answer partly

keep on pending it until Armageddon comes

mote pharisee jw lies, false prophets:

1925 - "Millions Now Living Will Never Die"

"Millions now living will never die!" was exclaimed by Rutherford in a series of public lectures starting 1918. This was related to his prophecy that the earthly resurrection would commence 1925, with the return to life of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, and became the focus of the preaching work in the following years.
must read this: http://www.jwfacts.com/watchtower/1925.php

Mat_7:15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.

that and many scriptures describes pharisee false jw so well

Finely we have a JW who had finely agreed who the Almighty is, its Jesus.
And Jesus is the ruler of all the universe {creation}>{Colossians 1:15-17} The Son is the image of the invisible God, the first born over all creation. {V 16} For in Him all things were created, things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, weather thrones or dominions, or rulers or authorities, all things were created through Him and for Him, {V 17} He is before all things, and in Him all things hold together.

Barristter07:
brocab




brocab who ask you all this , BUSTED !, if you get mind ... answer me and then we can proceed.

[size=27]
@ Rev 1:8 , the person speaking is described as the Almighty , greek /pantokrator/
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Strong's Concordance
pantokratór: almighty
Original Word: παντοκράτωρ, ορος, ὁ
Part of Speech: Noun, Masculine
Transliteration: pantokratór
Phonetic Spelling: (pan-tok-rat'-ore)
Short Definition: ruler of the universe
Definition: [size=26] ruler of all, ruler of the universe, the almighty. [/size]



brocab, is Jesus the Ruler of ALL ? 1 Corinthians15:28

[quote author=dolphinheart post=45818308]

now let's look at my question again:
"]

maybe you that knows the implication can explain what you understand by what's recorded in revelation 1:1, 4-6

]

OK for your ranting to stop God gives revelation to Jesus to show his servants things that will come to pass shortly because Jesus is the mediator between God and man. Jesus signify it through an angel.
[

quote]and tell us who is talking in rev 3:2,12.

]I already told you it was Jesus
Vs 4 John convenes greeting from the father referred to as he which was n which is, n which is to come and also from the seven spirit of God.
Vs 5 John convenes greeting from Jesus who he described as a faithful witness referring again to Christ mediatorship also, it also reveals that Christ redeemed Christians with his blood
Vs 6 they are now priest unto God.
[

quote]finally can you tell us what you think about heb 1:9

I av address that
if you can't explain these verses, then its you that needs forgiveness."

Now let's look at your deliberately seperated answers:



did you see what you did wrong there ?, you failed to share your understand of verse 1, 5, and 6 of revelation chapter 1.
you deliberately omitted verse one and just quoted verse and 6 without telling us what you understand by what is written there.
therefore solite3, pls correct those deliberate omissions, you have not answered it.

[quote]
I did not ask you about revelation 1,2&3. I asked you to tell us who is talking in rev 3: 2,12
in your next post correct this too.

[b]
I will hold on to these your explanation of heb [/b]1:9, will come back to it once you have added the omitted verses and made neccessary corrections in your next post.
you can see once again the verses you did not attend to , so dnt claim that you have answered all the questions.

The questions are still pending

1. Jesus has a God? yes or no
Jesus is subjected to that God ? yes or no
if Jesus have a God, how can He then be almighty God !

2. on April 27 this request
"for those saying Jesus is God.. pls. explain these Scripture for me ... Ephesians 5:1,2 1timothy 2:5 John 8:42 Act 2:22 Hebrews 12:2...... "

3. on April 29
" the God of our Lord Jesus Christ " Eph 1:17, who is the God of Jesus Christ ?

4. "You say Jesus is still a man in heaven, you also say Jesus has a God when he was a man.

NOW DOES Jesus STILL HAVE A GOD IN HEAVEN?"
who anointed Jesus? who is that person to Jesus?

you can see that the questions are numbered, so dnt muddle it up or answer partly.

brocab

brocab:
Finely we have a JW who had finely agreed who the Almighty is, its Jesus.
And Jesus is the ruler of all the universe {creation}>{Colossians 1:15-17} The Son is the image of the invisible God, the first born over all creation. {V 16} For in Him all things were created, things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, weather thrones or dominions, or rulers or authorities, all things were created through Him and for Him, {V 17} He is before all things, and in Him all things hold together.

I didnt ask you who God use to create the universe . if u dont understand anything you ask, the ruler of all or Ruler of the universe describes the Highest Authority in the universe


My question is : Is Jesus the Ruler of All ? which means is Jesus the Highest Authority in the universe ? 1 Cor 15:28

solite3

solite3:
u re only good at misquoting people, he never said it is in the Bible. It may not be in the exact way he puts it but the message he passes across is clear n it is in the bible. Barrister you are the one who should be ashamed after half quoting and misquoting me u are still jumping around picking words up and down.

you can still continue this lie.

" You can search the translations, FOR IT " johnw74

if you get mind, tell me what he implied by translations ? if its not Bible
.

johnw74

I never said it's from the bible, [size=25] although at the time i thought it would have been [/size]

am expecting your reply .

johnw74

johnw74:



I said from my memory "look out Jesus, said a disciple , they are trying to trap you"

[size=28] None of Jesus disciple told him that !!! u are a plain liar [/size]


just imagine , you share a false information about Christ disciple from ur memory .

I never said it's from the bible

BUSTED! then wat do u mean by search for it in Translations ? kindly lie again that what u mean by translations is not bible hahahaha

although at the time I thought it would have been

BUSTED !

barristter jumped in with provide the scripture
I told him he could look for it

from where do you told Barrister to look for it ?

Yes Jesus is the highest of all the universe He is the image of the invisible God, the first born over all creation, For by Him all things were created that are in heaven and that are on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers, All things were created through Him and for Him {Jesus} And He is before all things, and in Him all things consist.
Jesus said to the Jehovah witnesses {John 10:30} I and the Father are one. {BUT THE JW'S DIDN'T BELIEVE IT}
{John 8:58} Jesus said "Before Abraham was born I Am. Jesus holds that same name as the Most high God "I Am. {BUT THE JW'S DIDN'T BELIEVE IT}
{Isaiah 9:6} For us a child is born unto us, and a son is given, and the government shall be upon His shoulder, and His name shall be called wonderful Counsellor, Mighty God, Ever lasting Father, Prince of peace. {BUT THE JW'S DIDN'T BELIEVE IT}
So barristter07 why fight your argument, Jesus is equal to God. If God is called the Almighty, Jesus is called the Almighty, God said I Am, Jesus said I Am.
{John 14:6} Jesus said to Jehovah witnesses, I Am the way the truth and the life, no-one comes to the Father except through Me. Jesus then said to the Jehovah witnesses If you had known Me, you would have known My Father also, and from now on, you know Him because you have seen Him. The Jehovah witnesses said show as the Father, Jesus said to the JW's have I been with you so long, and yet you have not known Me, Jesus said, He who has seen Me has seen the Father, so how can the JW's say show us the Father?
{BECAUSE THE JW'S DIDN'T BELIEVE IT}

Barristter07:
brocab



I didnt ask you who God use to create the universe . if u dont understand anything you ask, the ruler of all or Ruler of the universe describes the Highest Authority in the universe


My question is : Is Jesus the Ruler of All ? which means is Jesus the Highest Authority in the universe ? 1 Cor 15:28

Very childish, shame on you Barristter07 {Wake up to yourself}

Barristter07:

johnw74





[size=28] None of Jesus disciple told him that !!! u are a plain liar [/size]


just imagine , you share a false information about Christ disciple from ur memory .





BUSTED! then wat do u mean by search for it in Translations ? kindly lie again that what u mean by translations is not bible hahahaha




BUSTED !




from where do you told Barrister to look for it ?

Barristter07:
broca
]]i] I didnt ask you who God use to create the universe . [/b]if u dont understand anything you ask, the ruler of all or Ruler of the universe describes the Highest Authority in the universe


My question is : Is Jesus the Ruler of All ? which means is Jesus the Highest Authority in the universe ? [/b] [/i] 1 Cor 15:28

@ bold u mean God used another to create the universe?

brocab

brocab:
Yes Jesus is the highest of all the universe He is the image of the invisible God, the first born over all creation, For by Him all things were created that are in heaven and that are on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers, All things were created through Him and for Him {Jesus} And He is before all things, and in Him all things consist.
Jesus said {John 10:30} I and the Father are one.
{John 8:58} Jesus said "Before Abraham was born I Am. Jesus holds that same name as the Most high God "I Am.
{Isaiah 9:6} [
/color][color=#000099]For us a child is born unto us, and a son is given, and the government shall be upon His shoulder, and His name shall be called wonderful Counsellor, Mighty God, Ever lasting Father, Prince of peace.
[size=28] So barristter07 why fight your argument, Jesus is equal to God.
[/size] If God is called the Almighty, Jesus is called the Almighty, God said I Am, Jesus said I Am.
{John 14:6} Jesus said to Jehovah witnesses, I Am the way the truth and the life, no-one comes to the Father except through Me. Jesus then said to the Jehovah witnesses If you had known Me, you would have known My Father also, and from now on, you know Him because you have seen Him. The Jehovah witnesses said show as the Father, Jesus said to the JW's have I been with you so long, and yet you have not known Me, Jesus said, He who has seen Me has seen the Father, so how can the JW's say show us the Father?

I have a zero tolerance for lies , expecially the bold none of the scriptures you quote above said Jesus is the ruler of the universe or Jesus is equal to God ! john 14:28

I want you to answer me because if you are not using your thinking faculty as advised in the Bible book of proverb , its a disaster


" Next, the end when he [Jesus] hands over the kingdom to [size=27] his God [/size] and father " 1 cor 15:24

brocab , tell me : Can the Ruler of the whole universe have HIS OWN GOD Too ?

"

" but when all things will have been subjected to him, then the son himself will also subject himself to the one who subject all things to him" 1 Corinthians 15:28

brocab, the Ruler of the universe cannot be subjected to anyone , will Jesus be subjected ?


ITS CLEARLy evident that Jesus is not the Highest authority in the universe .


if u get mind .. answer those two questions,

solite3

solite3:
@ bold u mean God used another to create the universe?

see what poor bible reading habit did to you

" God ... these last days He has spoken to us by His Son, whom He appointed heir of all things, and through whom He made the universe.
" Heb 1:1,2

[quote author=solite3 post=45810028][/quote]


Jesus Christ will be subjected to His God and Father as stated in 1 Corinthians 15:28 , do u agreeeeeee ?

brocab:
Are you dubious? Or just pain stupid.
Answer Solite3 question, I did ask you to answer {Revelation 1:7-8} two months ago, and I am still waiting? So no-to your lies-you haven't answered the scripture I had asked you to answer.

me and solite3 will get to his question part shortly . but for you, I'll repeat what I told him earlier: only dubious people answer question with a question, hope you are not dubious brocab?

If you want that question answered, you can help him answer the question he was asked before he replied with a question, then ask these and ill answer you.

brocab, you asked me to show you certain scriptures, I've done so, but no response from you yet !

This was your request:

brocab:
YOU ALSO BELIEVE IN YOUR OWN LIES.
Show me in the word where it say's Jesus is a god? Plus show me where Jesus being a god has a god superior to him?
And I can show you, your NWT bible claims Jehovah God is Jesus in {Revelation 1:8} Calling Him the Almighty.
This will be interesting?

this was my response:

dolphinheart:



JESUS IS A GOD
Isa 9:6For a child has been born to us, A son has been given to us; And the rulership will rest on his shoulder. His name will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Eternal Father, Prince of Peace.
Isa 9:7To the increase of his rulership And to peace, there will be no end, On the throne of David and on his kingdom In order to establish it firmly and to sustain it Through justice and righteousness, From now on and forever. The zeal of Jehovah of armies will do this.

Joh 1:18No man has seen God at any time; the only-begotten god who is at the Father’s side is the one who has explained Him.

JESUS BEING A GOD, STILL HAS A GOD
Heb 1:9You loved righteousness, and you hated lawlessness. That is why God, YOUR GOD, anointed you with the oil of exultation more than your companions.”

Lu 3:21, 22Now when all the people were baptized, Jesus too was baptized. As he was praying, the heaven was opened up,
22and the holy spirit in bodily form like a dove came down upon him, and a voice came out of heaven: “You are my Son, the beloved; I HAVE APROVED YOU”

Joh 20:17Jesus said to her: “Stop clinging to me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father. But go to my brothers and say to them, ‘I am ascending to my Father and your Father AND TO MY GOD AND YOUR GOD.

1Co 11:3But I want you to know that the head of every man is the Christ; in turn, the head of a woman is the man; in turn, THE HEAD OF CHRIST IS GOD.

Eph 1:17that THE GOD OF OUR LORD JESUS CHRIST, the Father of glory, may give you a spirit of wisdom and of revelation in the accurate knowledge of him.

Col 1:3We always thank God, the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, when we pray for you,

Re 3:12“‘The one who conquers—I will make him a pillar in the temple of my God, and he will by no means go out from it anymore, and I will write upon him the name of my God and the name of the city of my God, the New Jerusalem that descends out of heaven from my God, and my own new name.

JESUS IS SUBJECTED AND LOYAL TO THAT GOD
Joh 14:28You heard that I said to you, ‘I am going away and I am coming back to you.’ If you loved me, you would rejoice that I am going to the Father, FOR THE FATHER IS GREATER THAN I AM.

Joh 17:3This means everlasting life, their coming to know you, THE ONLY TRUE GOD, and the one whom you sent, Jesus Christ.

Mr 15:34And at the ninth hour, Jesus called out with a loud voice: “Eʹli, Eʹli, laʹma sa·bach·thaʹni?” which means, when translated: “My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?”

Re 1:1A revelation by Jesus Christ, WHICH GOD GAVE HIM, to show his slaves the things that must shortly take place. And he sent his angel and presented it in signs through him to his slave John,

Mt 20:23He said to them: “You will indeed drink my cup, but to sit down at my right hand and at my left IS NOT MINE TO GIVE, but it belongs to those for whom it has been prepared by my Father.”

Joh 8:42Jesus said to them: “If God were your Father, you would love me, for I came from God and I am here. I HAVE NOT COME OF MY OWN INITIATIVE, BUT THAT ONE SENT ME.

1Co 15:24-28Next, the end, when he hands over the Kingdom to HIS GOD AND FATHER, when he has brought to nothing all government and all authority and power.
25For he must rule as king until God has put all enemies under his feet.
26And the last enemy, death, is to be brought to nothing.
27FOR GOD "SUBJECTED ALL THINGS UNDER HIS FEET.” But when he says that ‘all things have been subjected,’ it is evident that this does not include the One who subjected all things to him.
28But when all things will have been subjected to him, THEN THE SON HIMSELF WILL SUBJECT HIMSELF TO THE ONE WHO SUBJECTED ALL THINGS TO HIM, that God may be all things to everyone.

1Pe 3:22He is at God’s right hand, for he went to heaven, and angels and authorities and powers WERE MADE SUBJECT TO HIM.

HOPING YOU WORLD BE ABLE TO QUOTE AND EXPLAIN SOME, IF NOT ALL OF THE SCRIPTURES ABOVE




no problem, just add your quote and explanation of rev 1: 1,4-6, and heb 1: 9
also tell us who is talking in rev 3:2,12.
If you do not add the above, your explanation will be termed as false !
a true Christian should not be afraid of sharing his knowledge of the scripture when he is being asked.

UP TILL NOW NO RESPONSE ABOUT THOSE SCRIPTURES FROM YOU, YOU HAVE REFUSED TO QUOTE AND EXPLAIN THEM.

you have also refused to respond to these questions and scripture:

[b]Just tell us the name of the church you associate with, that you are a member of!. If possible you can include its official website, at least you surpport using technology in Gods work. 

Tell us, do you know that Jesus Christ told someone that he has a God? And that statement was recorded in the kjv.? Can you tell us where this can be found?
If you can't answer this question brocab, then you dnt know the truth about Christ!. 
Expecially. The one spoken by Jesus himself.

Examine this questions brocab 1. If you say one body, one spirit, was Jesus a spirit before he came to earth? 
2. When Jesus was on earth, was the spirit in him his, the father or the holy spirit.?
3. After Jesus left the earth, did he remain in the body or became a spirit? 
4. What does Jesus mean by " the father is greater than I am" 
5. Why does Jesus say he is going to the father when you are trying to say he is spirit. 
6. You asked a question, the answer is yes, but ill like to ask you, what about the soul, why did you remove the soul when fomulating your question.

You cannot answer if Jesus is the same person as the father.

You can't do this :
Simply quote and explain rev 1:1,4 -6 from any translation of your choice
Tell use who is talking in rev 3:2,12.....

brocab , readers will note(again) that you have NOT quoted and explained ANY of the following scriptures :

1.rev 1:1,6
2. Rev 3, 2,13
3. John 17:1-3
4. Heb 1:1 -9 
5. John 20:17
6. 1 cor 11:3 
7 . 1 ti 2 :5,6
8.Acts 4:10
9. Acts 2:36
10. Acts 2:24
11. Acts 5:30
12.Acts 10:38,40,43
11. Phil 2:9,11 
12. john 14:6 
13. Acts 4 : 26,27, 30
14. 1 john 4:14
15. Heb 5:7 
16. ps 28:18

And a host of others

Brocab , examine these scripture 
Acts 5: 31.
Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.
John 3:16.
For God so loved the world,
that he gave his only begotten
Son, that whosoever believeth
in him should not perish, but
have everlasting life.

Jesus is Gods only begotten son, Jesus is not God almighty![/b]

johnw74:


yes, you are right I quote false jw and show them where they are wrong and lying
and yes, I don't discuss with them, you've got it
boy, false jw so queer

good to note that anytime they ask you questions relating to the scriptures, you remember you dnt discuss with them.

brocab:
If you really believe that calling someone a lair is your way of being polite,

where and when did the issue of being polite come into these now, you just like to bring up things as if they where previously part of the discussion.
I never said callin someone a liar is my way of being polite, brocab dnt attribute things I never said nor believed to me!

then you really need to sit down and read the scriptures, and listen to what Jesus has to say about insulting people like you.
{Matthew 5:11} Blessed are you when people insult you, persecute and falsely say or kinds of evil against you. "because of Me.

well, for a fact, my words where facts supported by proof. If someone lies, that person is called a liar!

[quote author=solite3 post=45819168][/quote]
1. If you read the posts I pasted concerning jesus having same nature as God , you will see the explanations there, you where so busy making false allegations that I said Jesus and God have one nature that you did not see it, I've shown you again, and you are now actin as if it's not there!

NOW LETS LOOK AT REV 1:7,8

brocab and solite3, I told you that to understand rev 1:7,8 better, one must first quote and understand what rev 1: 1,4-6 says, thus I requested for the past 20 pages that you quote and explain those verses, I also added heb 1:9 And rev 3:2,12 to it.
sincerely, I thought I would eventually be given an explanation in just I straight post, no one comes to an exam hall, answer part of the questions and expect to be allowed to come part the next day to answer other parts I thought. but that is exactly what brocab and solite3 tried to do.

WHenever the question was repeated to them, they will only answer snippets of it. They sometimes quote the verses and refuse to explain them or tried to give an explanation without quoting those verses. They scattered their answers into many posts so that it will seem that they had answered all , which they tried to claim anyway.

now I will give a detailed explanation of these verses , surpport it with other verses of the scriptures . After these ill ask brocab and solite3 a series of questions which readers will observe and notice to see if they will answer it or not.
I'll not respond to quotes until I finish my explanations
my next post will start with rev 1:1

rev 1:1
The revelation of Jesus Christ,WHICH GOD GAVE HIM to show to his servants a the things that must soon take place. He made it known by sending his angel to his servant b John,

WHAT DOES THESE VERSE TELL US(pls brocab and solite3, you can disprove the following facts if you want to , but pls notice they are numbered, therefore if you want to challenge any of them, just signify first the number you have issues with, if this is not done, them it's shows that you aim is just to disrupt the facts given and not to counter, correct or disprove it)

it tells us that:
1. The revelation comes from God and was given to Jesus
2. "God " in these verse and "Jesus" in these verse are not the same person
3. God here is different from Jesus
4. It was God that wants jesus to show his servants the things that must shortly take place
5. Jesus now made the revelation from God known through his angel to his servant John
6. thereforE the revelation involved 4 persons , God, Jesus , the angel and John.

do we have other scriptures to surpport rev 1:1 and the explanation giving about it?
daniel w:28 English Standard Version
but there is a God in heaven who reveals mysteries, and he has made known to King Nebuchadnezzar what will be in the latter days. Your dream and the visions of your head as you lay in bed are these:

NOW WHO IS THAT GOD ?
King James Version
Am 3:7Surely the Lord GOD will do nothing, but he revealeth his secret unto his servants the prophets

Now we all know that the kjv removed the name of God from that verse , so in other to know the name if the God that reveals his secrets to his servants , I'll have to quote from anether transLation that did not remove gods name from that verse

American Standard Version
Surely the Lord Jehovah will do nothing, except he reveal his secret unto his servants the prophets.

New World Translation
For the Sovereign Lord Jehovah will not do a thing Unless he has revealed his confidential matter to his servants the prophets.

NOW THESE QUESTIONS GOES TO YOU BROCAB AND SOLITE3
1. do you agree with all or some of the numbered points on rev 1:1?
2. do you agree that the name of the God who reveal secrets is Jehovah ?
3. do you agree that the God in rev 1:1, who gave the Revelation to jesus is Jehovah?

READERS SHOULD NOTE , IF THEY RESPOND TO THESE SCRIPTURES AND TO THE QUESTIONS ASKED WHEN THEY QUOTE THESE POST.
READERS SHOULD ALSO NOTE IFATHER THEY ATTEMPT TO CUT OF PART OF THESE POST WHEN THEY RESPOND.
cc: Barristter07 , jozzy4, and others

now ill move to rev 1:4

[b] rev 1:4(ESV) John to the seven churches that are in Asia:
Grace to you and peace from him who is and who was and who is to come, and from the seven spirits who are before his throne

actually, I'm supposed to quote from verse 4-6, I'll do that next, but I specifically quoted verse 4, just to bring out some interesting things said by brocab and solite3 on these verse.

WHAT DO WE LEARN FROM THESE VERSE?( brocab and solite3 can respond if what I learned are wrong .
1. John was sending his greeting from (1) the one who is, and who was, and who is to come ( the identity of these one will be revealed later ) and (2) the seven spirits
2. The greetings are from two distinct sources , the one who is, who was, and who is to come, is not the same person as the seven spirits who are before His throne.

NOW LETS SEE SOME OF BROCABS AND SOLITE3 POSTS CONNECT ING THESE VERSE
*readers can cross check if I quoted them correctly or wrongly

take note of part of what brocab said on April 22, 11:54pm(this can be found on page 40 of these thread

It is Jesus who was, who is, and who is coming, it is Jesus who has the name the Alpha and the Omega. But it shows the scholars had taken Jesus's name out of text and replaced it with Jehovah God.

part of what brocab said oh april 30, 3:41am( this can be found on page 40 of these thread)

{4} John" to be the seven assemblies {Churches} that are in Asia; Grace to you and Peace, from Him {Jesus} who is and who was and who is to come; and from the seven Spirits who are before His throne;

part of what brocab said on may 8 , 10:26pm(this can be found on page 41)

YOU DENY THE WORD OF GOD BY YOUR OWN ACTIONS, DENYING "WHO IS, "WHO WAS, AND "WHO IS TO COME, DENYING CHRIST IS CHRIST WAS AND CHRIST IS TO COME

Now see what solite3 said on may 6 9:55.(This can be found on page 45)

churches which are in Asia: Grace be unto you, and peace, from him which was, and which is to come(referring to The father);and from the seven Spirits which are before his throne( referring to the Holy Spirit)
vs5 And from Jesus Christ,who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the faithful witness,and the first begotten of the of the dead,.....

brocab and solite3, who should we now believe between the two of you
brocab: the one who is, who was and who is to come is jesus
solite3: the one who is, who was and who is to come refers to the father.

This brings about the question(PLS EVERYONE SHOULD OBSERVE IF BROCAB AND SOLITE3 WILL ANSWER THESE)
1. is jesus the same person as the father?
2. If not , how can both now be the one who is, who was and who is coming?

while we wait for these answers, I'll move on to quote and explain my views on rev 1:4-6

Barristter07:

solite3



see what poor bible reading habit did to you

" God ... these last days He has spoken to us by His Son, whom He appointed heir of all things, and through whom He made the universe.
" Heb 1:1,2

very good. Now your dilemma respond to my next post if you can