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Re: Proof Of God's Existence Found , That Kind Of Evidence !!!! by KingEbukasBlog(m): 10:55pm On May 26, 2016
SirWere:



Kai, which sort of rebuttal is this That's why I called it a Scenario, one meant to point out the fallacies in Good and Evil.


And back to the "Moral Lawgiver", Isn't it plain and simple he just seems to play with the times; I mean in the Bible, the old testament coupled with the Jewish Torah and Islamic Quaran seems to be a harsh, no-nonesense crush your enemies deity with specific instructions for burning goats or drinking camel piss and ish like that. Isn't it funny that THAT god was prevalent during wartime or potentially dangerous times


Now in the New Testament , the Buddhic Test and Taoist texts, God seems to be all about Love, spirituality and living your life helping others.

ThIS type of God seems to be prevalent in times of Peace and relative, boring security.


So this Moral Lawgiver that seems to change his law with every twist and turn of human history, well; how is he/she/it any different from humans themselves


Not this question again . Its still the same God .

Here ingest and digest dont egest cheesy : http://www.gotquestions.org/God-different.html
Re: Proof Of God's Existence Found , That Kind Of Evidence !!!! by KingJahzmineKing(m): 10:56pm On May 26, 2016
Drefan2:
Please, there's this question I have been wanting to ask:
How did evil thoughts possessed satan's mind for him to challenge God's authority in heaven?
good question
Re: Proof Of God's Existence Found , That Kind Of Evidence !!!! by Nobody: 11:02pm On May 26, 2016
KingEbukasBlog:

I dont know what you mean grin

you are a Covenant undergraduate right, you should understand
Re: Proof Of God's Existence Found , That Kind Of Evidence !!!! by Nobody: 11:08pm On May 26, 2016
KingEbukasBlog:



Not this question again . Its still the same God .

Here ingest and digest dont egest cheesy : http://www.gotquestions.org/God-different.html

Jesus, you call that an explaination


The whole thing is so monumentally flawed I don't even want to start.
Re: Proof Of God's Existence Found , That Kind Of Evidence !!!! by KingEbukasBlog(m): 11:11pm On May 26, 2016
AYOBAMEE911:



you are a Covenant undergraduate right, you should understand

I do , that's why I used that smiley . Have they released results of the CUSAT exams held last week ? Or was it viewed immediately ? I had 68 or 65 over 80 5 years ago . What's yours .

But as a young atheist , I doubt you will hold unto your delusions - its salubrious to your mind though .
Re: Proof Of God's Existence Found , That Kind Of Evidence !!!! by KingEbukasBlog(m): 11:11pm On May 26, 2016
SirWere:


Jesus, you call that an explaination


The whole thing is so monumentally flawed I don't even want to start.

Lets hear it . Just 1 or 2 reasons would do
Re: Proof Of God's Existence Found , That Kind Of Evidence !!!! by Nobody: 11:26pm On May 26, 2016
KingEbukasBlog:


I do , that's why I used that smiley . Have they released results of the CUSAT exams held last week ? Or was it viewed immediately ? I had 68 or 65 over 80 5 years ago . What's yours .

But as a young atheist , I doubt you will hold unto your delusions - its salubrious to your mind though .

I'm not an Atheist. CUSAS has been.released. Are you.an eagle yet
Re: Proof Of God's Existence Found , That Kind Of Evidence !!!! by KingEbukasBlog(m): 11:34pm On May 26, 2016
AYOBAMEE911:


I'm not an Atheist. CUSAS has been.released. Are you.an eagle yet

Hopefully this June .

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Re: Proof Of God's Existence Found , That Kind Of Evidence !!!! by Nobody: 9:04am On May 27, 2016
KingEbukasBlog:


Pride - this led to Satan's fall . He wanted to be like God and the thoughts of rebellion pervaded his mind .
I don't buy that line of thought.

As recorded in the Holy bible, from the very beginning, God was the only existing entity in the whole universe until he created the angels and other heavenly beings.

When he created those spiritual beings, he placed in them a mind of his own, filled singularly with the all-consuming need to please him. In fact, that was the true essence of their life - to worship and exalt God's name for all eternity.

As at then, the word 'evil' wasn't in existence. God is, was and will forever be holy. Those heavenly beings he made acquired his saintly taint, and the rest of the heavens were laid on this same foundation.

So, how was satan able to conceive such thoughts? Or where did those thoughts emanate from to come dwell in his soul and subsequently influenced his actions of revolt against God?

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Re: Proof Of God's Existence Found , That Kind Of Evidence !!!! by Nobody: 9:05am On May 27, 2016
KingJahzmineKing:
good question
Re: Proof Of God's Existence Found , That Kind Of Evidence !!!! by Scholar8200(m): 9:23am On May 27, 2016
KingEbukasBlog:


They insult us, deride our beliefs , open threads which are not edifying or in line with the reason for this section . And they are not punished .
That's because the devil is the god of this world!

I saw a quote from the satanic bible and believe me, it reads just as these atheists speak!
Re: Proof Of God's Existence Found , That Kind Of Evidence !!!! by Scholar8200(m): 9:26am On May 27, 2016
Drefan2:

I don't buy that line of thought.

As recorded in the Holy bible, from the very beginning, God was the only existing entity in the whole universe until he created the angels and other heavenly beings.

When he created those spiritual beings, he placed in them a mind of his own, filled singularly with the all-consuming need to please him.
Where did you get that from?


So, how was satan able to conceive such thoughts? Or where did those thoughts emanate from to come dwell in his soul and subsequently influenced his actions of revolt against God?
Because he was a free moral agent! God is Love, and HE will only receive sacrifice and service borne out of love as a choice! The devil knows this that is why he tempted Eve and Adam.

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Re: Proof Of God's Existence Found , That Kind Of Evidence !!!! by Nobody: 10:12am On May 27, 2016
KingEbukasBlog:


Lets hear it . Just 1 or 2 reasons would do

How on Earth did the policy/ Umbrella for love change from Killing your enemies to loving them



Why did the special, chosen one Jew race change to an encompassing God is Love incidentally when the Jews were captured by the Romans



How on Earth does love entail wanton killing and remarkable amount of slavery??
Re: Proof Of God's Existence Found , That Kind Of Evidence !!!! by Nobody: 10:14am On May 27, 2016
Scholar8200:
That's because the devil is the god of this world!

I saw a quote from the satanic bible and believe me, it reads just as these atheists speak!
Really??
So, in your book,

All atheists worship Satan? Even if they help the human race in a small or monumental way? Even if they aid the people around them; they become a beacon of love and kindness, they STILL worship Satan



I take a bow of dismay
Re: Proof Of God's Existence Found , That Kind Of Evidence !!!! by KingEbukasBlog(m): 10:27am On May 27, 2016
SirWere:


How on Earth did the policy/ Umbrella for love change from Killing your enemies to loving them Why did the special, chosen one Jew race change to an encompassing God is Love incidentally when the Jews were captured by the Romans

You do realize that everything has a purpose . And from the evidence from history we can that the Romans indeed help the spread of Christianity - Emperor Constantine and erudite historian , Tacitus .


How on Earth does love entail wanton killing and remarkable amount of slavery??

1. Death is the wage of sin

2. The bible clearly mentioned that those sinful countries were given an opportunity for repentance before they were obliterated - that's the love .
Re: Proof Of God's Existence Found , That Kind Of Evidence !!!! by KingEbukasBlog(m): 10:29am On May 27, 2016
Scholar8200:
That's because the devil is the god of this world!

I saw a quote from the satanic bible and believe me, it reads just as these atheists speak!

They are just enjoying the perquisite of doing the job of their master - condemning Christians and inducing them to err from the accepted standards of God.

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Re: Proof Of God's Existence Found , That Kind Of Evidence !!!! by Nobody: 10:44am On May 27, 2016
Scholar8200:
Where did you get that from?

The bible of course. And wasn't that the sole purpose why God created them in the first place? Need I provide the text to support my assertions?

Because he was a free moral agent! God is Love, and HE will only receive sacrifice and service borne out of love as a choice! The devil knows this that is why he tempted Eve and Adam.


Alright. So, what you are simply implying in a nut-shell is that God invented GOOD and EVIL and allowed them to flow freely in heaven, and he knew before hand that someone will (as God's omniscient= he knows the beginning and the end) fall short of his glory, which was why satan got infected, whether he wanted to or not. So I'm guessing satan's life was already predestined, his script has already been written waiting for him to come actualise it, bring it to pass, yes?

Futhermore, isn't it possible that the rest beings, like lucifer, somehow had bad thoughts at a point? If so, why weren't they exiled along satan and his unrighteous cohorts from heaven? Or was it because of the fact that devil was the most daring amongst the crowd that he chose instead to voice out his feelings than consciously surpress them the way his former comrades did?

What is sin? The bible made mankind to understand that you not only sin by your visible actions or spoken words but also by thoughts inside your heart. So the other angels probably also transgressed against God, and God probably knew it as our deepest secrets are naked before him, but he sanctioned only satan and left the others(?) Favouritism?
Re: Proof Of God's Existence Found , That Kind Of Evidence !!!! by Scholar8200(m): 12:36pm On May 27, 2016
SirWere:
Really??
So, in your book,

All atheists worship Satan? Even if they help the human race in a small or monumental way? Even if they aid the people around them; they become a beacon of love and kindness, they STILL worship Satan



I take a bow of dismay
Sir, those are your conclusions!

It is just like me saying, "that thread by Johnny on how he helped an outcast girl reads just like the parable of the good samaritan"and you confront me saying,"so yo mean Johnny was obeying Jesus? Why are you Christians desperate to claim every good deeds"!

You and I know this is a wrong and hasty conclusion!

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Re: Proof Of God's Existence Found , That Kind Of Evidence !!!! by Scholar8200(m): 12:45pm On May 27, 2016
Drefan2:


The bible of course. And wasn't that the sole purpose why God created them in the first place? Need I provide the text to support my assertions?
Sure you have to! Many errors were born when men asked a similar question!


Alright. So, what you are simply implying in a nut-shell is that God invented GOOD and EVIL and allowed them to flow freely in heaven, and he knew before hand that someone will (as God's omniscient= he knows the beginning and the end) fall short of his glory, which was why satan got infected, whether he wanted to or not. So I'm guessing satan's life was already predestined, his script has already been written waiting for him to come actualise it, bring it to pass, yes?
No! This much from a simple post? As far as I know, and as much as the Bible reveals, God knows the end of either courses we choose and warns us ahead! Did He write a script? Yes- a script for good and not evil provided we continue in His Love! Did He invent evil? No! Evil is what is left when we are severed from Him!

For example Jesus said ,"all things that are written concerning the Son of Man will come to pass"At a point, Jesus said, He had the liberty, contrary to what was written, to call for 12 legions of angels but He chose to remain in the Father's purpose!


Futhermore, isn't it possible that the rest beings, like lucifer, somehow had bad thoughts at a point? If so, why weren't they exiled along satan and his unrighteous cohorts from heaven? Or was it because of the fact that devil was the most daring amongst the crowd that he chose instead to voice out his feelings than consciously surpress them the way his former comrades did?
Thoughts arise and they are resisted, when thoughts have the consent of the will the latter seeking to express itself then guilt sets in whether we got the chance or no!


What is sin? The bible made mankind to understand that you not only sin by your visible actions or spoken words but also by thoughts inside your heart. So the other angels probably also transgressed against God, and God probably knew it as our deepest secrets are naked before him, but he sanctioned only satan and left the others(?) Favouritism?
This is where the problem lies - assumptions sans Scriptural backing! Anyway, you are wrong here. Before I correct you, perhaps I'd let you post a Scripture that backs up your claims of favouritism here!

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Re: Proof Of God's Existence Found , That Kind Of Evidence !!!! by Nobody: 1:54pm On May 27, 2016
Scholar8200:
Sir, those are your conclusions!

It is just like me saying, "that thread by Johnny on how he helped an outcast girl reads just like the parable of the good samaritan"and you confront me saying,"so yo mean Johnny was obeying Jesus? Why are you Christians desperate to claim every good deeds"!

You and I know this is a wrong and hasty conclusion!

I will not claim to understand the meaning of this somewhat confusing analogy.

My point, which I believe I've made earlier, is that you claim Atheists are Satanists; a claim I scoffed at and took a bow to such fallacious reasoning.


I don't even know who you're talking about here sef.
Re: Proof Of God's Existence Found , That Kind Of Evidence !!!! by Nobody: 2:00pm On May 27, 2016
KingEbukasBlog:


You do realize that everything has a purpose . And from the evidence from history we can that the Romans indeed help the spread of Christianity - Emperor Constantine and erudite historian , Tacitus .




1. Death is the wage of sin

2. The bible clearly mentioned that those sinful countries were given an opportunity for repentance before they were obliterated - that's the love .



So God, in his infinite wisdom and unflinching genius decided to hijack an empire forged from the sweat and dreams of hardworking Paganistic people to pass his message; he couldn't simply have forged a jewish empire; rather he relied on a foreign and completely different culture.


Isn't it also funny that absolutely NO nation accepted God, despite all the signs he showed them. The African race was arguably at the bottom level of civilization yet embraced christianity almost immediately it was brought to them.

And yet, Whole Nations, races; numerous people in the days gone by did NOT believe despite the wars they saw him win?


Isn't it funny that they had not one accepting this Almighty





Hmm....... Convinent.

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Re: Proof Of God's Existence Found , That Kind Of Evidence !!!! by KingEbukasBlog(m): 2:54pm On May 27, 2016
SirWere:


So God, in his infinite wisdom and unflinching genius decided to hijack an empire forged from the sweat and dreams of hardworking Paganistic people to pass his message; he couldn't simply have forged a jewish empire; rather he relied on a foreign and completely different culture.


Isn't it also funny that absolutely NO nation accepted God, despite all the signs he showed them. The African race was arguably at the bottom level of civilization yet embraced christianity almost immediately it was brought to them.

And yet, Whole Nations, races; numerous people in the days gone by did NOT believe despite the wars they saw him win?


Isn't it funny that they had not one accepting this Almighty

Hmm....... Convinent.

You can ask God why he didn't choose to make a Jewish empire . But when he comes again , the Second time , to reign eternally , he sure chose a Jewish city to be the capital of his Kingdom .

I can't explain every decision God makes . You have finite understanding while his is infinite - you are talking from a human perspective .

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Re: Proof Of God's Existence Found , That Kind Of Evidence !!!! by Nobody: 8:47pm On May 27, 2016
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Re: Proof Of God's Existence Found , That Kind Of Evidence !!!! by KingEbukasBlog(m): 8:50pm On May 27, 2016
AYOBAMEE911:
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Re: Proof Of God's Existence Found , That Kind Of Evidence !!!! by Nobody: 9:39am On May 28, 2016
Scholar8200:
Sure you have to! Many errors were born when men asked a similar question!

Nope. I ain't going that path - I feel like a rebel already. However I'm suprised you don't know this. This issue shouldn't come as a question to devoted christians at all, least of all, you of all people.

The bible explained many times quite distinctly the roles angels play in heaven; acting as firsthand messengers of God, and singing his glory till infinity. If that is different from what you have in mind, then I don't know what else to say to you.

No! This much from a simple post? As far as I know, and as much as the Bible reveals, God knows the end of either courses we choose and warns us ahead! Did He write a script? Yes- a script for good and not evil provided we continue in His Love! Did He invent evil? No! Evil is what is left when we are severed from Him!

For example Jesus said ,"all things that are written concerning the Son of Man will come to pass"At a point, Jesus said, He had the liberty, contrary to what was written, to call for 12 legions of angels but He chose to remain in the Father's purpose!
I can't pin down the point here to fully comprehend it.

Thoughts arise and they are resisted, when thoughts have the consent of the will the latter seeking to express itself then guilt sets in whether we got the chance or no!

The capability of being able to distinguish between right and wrong supposedly started from the age of man, which was after the devil tempted man to eat out of the tree of life in the garden of eden, otherwise man would still be living his life in pure innocence. Good. The bible said satan is the father of sin. Agreed. God is all perfect. He doesn't make mistakes. . . Until satan's revolution. So, how come satan, God's perfect creation, harboured sinful thoughts, if perfect God wasn't responsible for stemming evil, and didn't lay down plans for such? Why was satan double-minded?

It would only seek to show that perfect, omniscient God designed satan's mind in two ways, and he mistakenly allowed evil to result from his work, and fate made satan the unfortunate one.

Because for example, java phones cannot miraculously play android games cause both their functions differ by a wide margin. The producers were responsible for it.

God could have done same, but he didn't. If he didn't create "good" and "evil" and made spiritual beings' minds that way, and failed to favour one person over another, in the first place, all these wouldn't have happened.

This is where the problem lies - assumptions sans Scriptural backing! Anyway, you are wrong here. Before I correct you, perhaps I'd let you post a Scripture that backs up your claims of favouritism here!

Let me name few:
why was Samson handpicked to be the one to possess such great strength than any other isrealite or person?

Why were events manipulated in Solomon's favour to ensure he becomes the wisest man ever known?
Again, I resist the urge to come off as an atheist. Jeez! Am I alright?
Re: Proof Of God's Existence Found , That Kind Of Evidence !!!! by blueAgent(m): 7:40am On May 29, 2016
Drefan2:
Please, there's this question I have been wanting to ask:
How did evil thoughts possessed satan's mind for him to challenge God's authority in heaven?



The same way evil possessed you to ask this stupid question.
Re: Proof Of God's Existence Found , That Kind Of Evidence !!!! by Nobody: 4:57pm On May 30, 2016
blueAgent:




The same way evil possessed you to ask this stupid question.
Lol. Nope. You don't understand. It's not as if I'm bent on questioning the validity of the words in the bible. It's just that sometimes when I'm really calm and quiet, I drift away into another world, deeply absorbed in a moment of reflection. And then the questions come. My curiosity heightens. With the mystery already surrounding the world. The bible is confusing at times to read and understand fully. I can't help it.

I just want to be sure that my convictions are right.

I have asked others this same question several times but no-one it seems has been able to do justice unto it. There are even other questions piled up at the back of my mind seeking answers.

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Re: Proof Of God's Existence Found , That Kind Of Evidence !!!! by winner01(m): 5:09pm On May 30, 2016
Drefan2:

Lol. Nope. You don't understand. It's not as if I'm bent on questioning the validity of the words in the bible. It's just that sometimes when I'm really calm and quiet, I drift away into another world, deeply absorbed in a moment of reflection. And then the questions come. My curiosity heightens. With the mystery already surrounding the world. The bible is confusing at times to read and understand fully. I can't help it.

I just want to be sure that my convictions are right.

I have asked others this same question several times but no-one it seems has been able to do justice unto it. There are even other questions piled up at the back of my mind seeking answers.
You will find this site helpful. http://www.ucg.org/bible-study-tools/booklets You can thank me later.
Re: Proof Of God's Existence Found , That Kind Of Evidence !!!! by Nobody: 5:22pm On May 30, 2016
winner01:
You will find this site helpful. http://www.ucg.org/bible-study-tools/booklets You can thank me later.
I hope so.
Re: Proof Of God's Existence Found , That Kind Of Evidence !!!! by sesaan(m): 5:32pm On May 30, 2016
As for me I've stopped believing n praying to god,, he has always fail me.. Is like waiting for the tooth fiery to replace my bad tooth.
Re: Proof Of God's Existence Found , That Kind Of Evidence !!!! by KingEbukasBlog(m): 3:11pm On Jun 01, 2016
Drefan2:


Nope. I ain't going that path - I feel like a rebel already. However I'm suprised you don't know this. This issue shouldn't come as a question to devoted christians at all, least of all, you of all people.

The bible explained many times quite distinctly the roles angels play in heaven; acting as firsthand messengers of God, and singing his glory till infinity. If that is different from what you have in mind, then I don't know what else to say to you.


I can't pin down the point here to fully comprehend it.



The capability of being able to distinguish between right and wrong supposedly started from the age of man, which was after the devil tempted man to eat out of the tree of life in the garden of eden, otherwise man would still be living his life in pure innocence. Good. The bible said satan is the father of sin. Agreed. God is all perfect. He doesn't make mistakes. . . Until satan's revolution. So, how come satan, God's perfect creation, harboured sinful thoughts, if perfect God wasn't responsible for stemming evil, and didn't lay down plans for such? Why was satan double-minded?

It would only seek to show that perfect, omniscient God designed satan's mind in two ways, and he mistakenly allowed evil to result from his work, and fate made satan the unfortunate one.

Because for example, java phones cannot miraculously play android games cause both their functions differ by a wide margin. The producers were responsible for it.

God could have done same, but he didn't. If he didn't create "good" and "evil" and made spiritual beings' minds that way, and failed to favour one person over another, in the first place, all these wouldn't have happened.



Let me name few:
why was Samson handpicked to be the one to possess such great strength than any other isrealite or person?

Why were events manipulated in Solomon's favour to ensure he becomes the wisest man ever known?
Again, I resist the urge to come off as an atheist. Jeez! Am I alright?

Bro , these are just specious arguments . Its like asking why God didn't create humans with wings , when there is always a need to travel very long distances . Questions about why things in the bible were not done differently cannot be termed as rational as far as you believe in God .

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Re: Proof Of God's Existence Found , That Kind Of Evidence !!!! by KingEbukasBlog(m): 3:15pm On Jun 01, 2016
Drefan2 .. . you can open a thread and ask ALL the questions bothering you . Mention me and other Christians lets see how they'd be tackled .

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