Targeting a broader audience i intend to bring to light a little work of mine, Call it a long road to science and reason.

This is going to be a long ride, refreshing to read and will be mind stretching in a philosophical way.

This will be a bread of man's historical philosophy to be eaten with a butter of science which will be carefully approached with a very funny comprehensive and easily understood language of breaking down the scientific riches to be explained within.

Through the course of this i do not hope to attack any person's belief or religion and so even though this will touch greatly the superstitious, belief and mystical part of human enquiry it will be watered down with soothing balms of a sorely scientific intent aimed at enlightenment with a broader horizons.

We are all students of life, passengers of earth and awe stricken candidates of nature.

It is my sincere hope that this be taken sorely as it is, purely a philosophical and scientific coffee of revealing that about the cosmos, humanity and science as we yet know them.

This is not a ground to be turned into a battle field of emotional squabbles or battle for the superiority of conflicting ideas.

I'm certainly not here for that so if you are looking for a place for that, i'd suggest another thread.

I hope to learn more through the course of this journey ....

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IN THE BEGINNING

THE SOLAR SYSTEM

SOLAR SYSTEM CONTINUED

FIRE OF THE GODS (advent of man's intellectual evolution)

FIRE OF THE GODS continued

I like the intent of this.

IN THE BEGINNING

Dwell on the beauty of life. Watch the stars, and see yourself running
with them. – Marcus Aurelius


The birth of man's enquiry which lead to superstition, beliefs, philosophy, mythologies and ultimately science as we know it all started from the little twinkling lights gracing our skies with their large and near bright parents. The stars, moon and sun to be precise.

Man's enquiry of the worlds and his position in it or them arose because we remarkably woke up in a world that had a transparent sky from which these curious lights could reach us, from this point being lost in our marvel of the strange lights we see when the sky is dark and cold or the powerful one responsible for our brighter and warmer days.

In us awoke a curiosity, a hunger and a severe thirst to understand or know how it all began.

First the song was for the world as we know it but as reason grew and questions got deeper it became a 'Song of the worlds'.

In the beginning

Before the Heavens had been named Before the Earth below had been named None but APSU The All-Father, Oldest of Beings And MUMMU-TIAMAT Mother who bore them, Existed.

Their Waters merged into One; There were no fields or marshes Before any GODS came into being. The Powers had no Names Their Destinies had not been Fixed. The GODS were then created Within the Waters of APSU-TIAMAT.
(Enema Elish : Babylonian creation myth)

In the beginning when God made the heavens and the earth, the earth was formless and void, and darkness was upon the face of the deep and the spirit of God hovered over the waters.
(Bible, Genesis; Jewish creation myth)

There are thousands if not tens of thousands of creation myths found in every culture through out the earth, these tales of elegant poetry dating back thousands of years back.

Most of these ancient tales of cosmogony seemingly always paints out a universe, a cosmos directly out of Chaos.

From the wikipedia encyclopedia source on chaos it says.


[" In creation from chaos myth, initially there is nothing but a formless, shapeless expanse. In these stories the word "chaos" means "disorder", and this formless expanse, which is also sometimes called a void or an abyss, contains the material with which the created world will be made.

Chaos may be described as having the consistency of vapor or water, dimensionless, and sometimes salty or muddy. These myths associate chaos with evil and oblivion, in contrast to "order" ( cosmos ) which is the good.

The act of creation is the bringing of order from disorder, and in many of these cultures it is believed that at some point the forces preserving order and form will weaken and the world will once again be engulfed into the abyss. "]

The songs of the world(s) were being sang, imaginations were being bugged and trickled and rationalization was taking man on a jolly ride all through a small point in the sky, a tear in a dark envelop.

Chaos beget the worlds.

Back in these eras when the human technology was no much more advanced than the crude technologies we may now attribute to monkeys.

A raw configuration of available materials, stones and sticks into deadly weapons aimed at promoting survival but within this simplistic configuration a world full of events thrived, a world of strange order etched within a soaring disorderly events.

In his leisure time away from the hunting streaks of survival, the manual labours for protection man must have started asking questions.

-Why do i walk on two legs but the animals we hunt and eat use four?

-why do i have limbs but the snakes don't?

-why is it that the skies always rumbles furiously with bright fast flashes while it weeps?

-what is that big fiery circle of light that brightens the morning and what about the dimmer, calmer one that ruled the night.

-what about the little ones sparkling and blinking, could they be the children of these other two greater lights?

-how come they always journey through the sky in an unending loop?

Many of such a questions might have bugged mankind, the new species of highly intricate neurological capabilities, a strange perception and curiosity driven by the uncaring craftiness of nature.

They had questions but where were the answers?

How sufficient would these answers be and how deep were these answers ?

But remarkably this might be recognized as the birth of science not modern science as we know it but it is directly in a collective generalization is directly responsible for our science as we now recognize it.

A primordial stage in the evolution of science.

Many would think that superstitions and science are irreconcilable opposites, rivals in a world mesh of ideas but that i would argue is wrong.

Superstition was a very shouty stage in the evolution of what we now call science.

Let us bear in mind that while in this age, superstition is consonants with the ideas of science, it is none the less an elder sibling to the established discipline of science as they are both children of one parent which is Philosophy…

_Philosophy is a projection of human enquiry, a leap of the mind into the unknown trying to resolve the known to merge with the unknowns that may lurk within, and so Philosophy birthed more of questions that it ever had ever given an answer.

And this philosophical insolubles gave birth to the path ways of their answers, approaches employed for their satisfaction and thus superstition was birthed first as an offshoot of a naturalistic troubling problem and thus has evolved through the course of human history, science slowly evolved from within, speculations began to arose more often leading to disagreement and arguments and the need for substantiation became dire thus empiricism was spiced into the deductive means and science was born.

the songs of the world are being sang.

As man poked and thought about these questions with no tools other than his wits, perception and thoughts.

He was sadly limited, unforgiven by fate as he had not the means to stretch his perception above the reach of a tree, bound to the earth as if he could never escape with nothing to explore the universe of which to him was a remote lone large expanse though drastically smaller in contrast to our deductions now.

Early man had nothing to explore the heavens that awed him except his eyes and mind, with his mind he travelled above the skies to peek at the stars.

-In some thoughts the stars were little fire flies perching in the skies unable to move though some of them at a point would escape the bond and move.

-some rather thought there were small fires far far away

-some imagined the sky as a skin covering the earth within a fire burning through out the other side of the skin and holes made in this cover from which the lights of this great fire escaped.

Thoughts were singing the cosmic songs even though with limited instruments to play but nature itself was playing a very loud instrument man could not ignore.

We will eventually go much deeper into this in the course of this little work, but let this be an introduction to the string instrument of the songs of the worlds.

Following

THE SOLAR SYSTEM


As a observe for my own pleasure the to and fro movement of the heavens, i no longer stand on the earth with my feet but in the presence of Zeus himself and take my fill of the waters of Ambrosia.
Hellenistic Greek scientist and philosopher 'Ptolemy' on celestial motions

This was the exact words of the brilliant Ptolemy as he observed the skies and watched their movement. This also will be coming up as the song continues.

There is an awe to be found in the skies, not only is the sun bright and powerful and is responsible for giving us warm and bright day time it journeys across the sky with the passage of time, as a matter of fact our measurement of 'time' is directly as a result of the sun.

The stars twinkle in the nights with the moon collectively moving through the sky as the earth rotates but there are 5 curious stars in our skies that are not just moving but from time to time they change their positions in the sky. These are the planets.

There are only 5 visible planets from earth and their visibility is directly in respect to their position in the course of their orbit with the earth's.

Mercury
Venus
Mars
Jupiter
Saturn

these for many thousands of years were the only planets known to the past humans in the journey of their sciences and intellectual development.

Here is a Solar system with a staggering number of worlds numbering in their hundreds of which we can only visit a few of these numbers in our celestial journey of the mind through the system.


The sun
Stars and planets around them do not most times have different histories from each other, there all are born in a simultaneous way though the first point of order always is the infant star whose birth triggers the formation of sibling celestial objects.

In the chief position of the solar system seats the Sun, sol. A remarkable middle aged star shinning bright with a little more of the yellow spectrum.

With a staggering 98-99% of all the masses in the solar system the sun is the engine of the system, the energy of the whole cast as it blows out turbulent solar winds, radiation and radioactivities.

The stars basically are planetary bodies that has enough matter and mass for their core to become hot enough to ignite thermonuclear reaction therefore becoming an independent source of enormous energy.

No wonder through the course of human history man could never deny the importance of this chief character in our cosmic dance of worlds, man has come to humbly realize that his life is directly dependent on this hot ball of light in the sky and later on that without even this light life could never have existed here in the first place.

so there is no telling the importance of this object, little wonder man has always deified and worshipped the sun as the giver of light or has seen it as a projection of the cosmological creator.
Like the Igbos deep in the heart land of tropical Africa recognize the sun (Anyanwu) as a direct manifestation for their idea of a supreme cosmological causer (Chukwu).

Mercury

Here our journey stops within the orbital reach of mercury, a small world not bigger than the earth is but has accreted too close to the sun and is subjected to intense heat and unparalleled radiation.

As a matter of fact as it stands now is the smallest object considered a planet we know of now.

In the system mercury is the fastest of the planets in orbit, completing one orbit in a staggering 88 days.

**but the speed of mercury should not come as a surprise, following Johannes Kepler's observations on gravitational effect, the effect is gravity diminishes as it's reach widens. So the closer objects are more affected than the farther one**

No wonder man gave Mercury the nomenclature of the Roman messenger God, a God whose enterprise depended on the speed of his delivery, carrying information to and fro to man and back to the Gods and back again.

Mercury has no atmosphere, a naked world with nothing to protect it from the cruelty of the uncaring intense sun, so it's basically a so hot a world that our toughest of space craft still won't last 2 seconds inside the planet.

And we journey on sailing in the void after mercury heading nearer home and we meet

Venus

A world of clouds, Venus is a curious world one always recognized as the twin sister of earth as both are almost certainly the same size.

they have never been any observation of the interiors of Venus because the planet is completely immense in thick sulphuric acid clouds that spans through the entirety of it's bounds.

We however are in concord that Venus is another rocky world like Mercury even though this feature is shielded from the eyes, tearing through the fabrics of space around the sun at an orbital period of 224 days and a rotational period of 243 days.

Venus orbits the sun faster than it spins in it's axis that is a very strange world indeed.

If you were on Venus the 'day' would be longer than the 'year'.

Venus is one of the brightest objects known to us in our night sky, gleaming so bright that our ancestors called it.

The morning sun or Lucifer in latin.

Because of venus thick covering clouds it reflect enough sunlight back into space to appear so bright that if mercury was as close to us as our moon we wouldn't have dark nights when it's out, our nights would look more or less like an evening.

We journey after Venus to the blue world

Earth
The jewel of them all i like to call her, i am inclined to be a little chauvinistic on my definition of planetary beauty that it had to be defined so the earth would always be number one for me.

This is home, we evolved and grew here, we die and are scattered back elementally to the constituents of the cosmic arena.

Approaching the earth you cannot help but notice it's brilliant blue colour with smattering pinch of white clouds covering unstably here and there.

A bright world it is owing it's blue colour to the vast liquid ocean that thrives on it, seats on a position that is amongst all the planets the best for the existence of water in liquid state and so has this in abundance.

No wonder to the ancient greeks earth took the person of beautiful erotic kind and abundantly fertile Goddess, Gaia.

In it thrives countless 'things' considered beings amongst them humans of who has taken it upon themselves to escape her bonds and peep out through her chains to see what lay after.

The earth perch gracefully in the dark void of space like a tiny blue marble travelling like others around the sun with also another world perpetually wedded to it.

the moon

Lunar we call her is another world, spherical and almost as dark as coal borrowed some reflective ability by the intense brightness of a huge sun.

this world is perpetually condemned to be wedded to earth in an orbital cosmic dance and has a general effect on both the earth's evolution and even values that lurks within like the ocean.

Mars

On approaching Mars his red face looks back, as we get closer we can make out features on it's rusted iron soil.

Mars is a rocky world with a thin atmosphere, lacks a magnetic field and so it subjected to an uncaring blow from solar winds and radiation, a cold world but the closest to the earth-like condition you can get in the solar system.

Mars has remarkable features that betrays the events of it's history and evolution.

Mountains and ridges, cliffs and eroded channels whispering that long in the history of mars there was once more or less enough water on Mars like we now have on earth, a rich thick atmosphere that would have made it more home-like.

what ever happened to that, i wonder.

Mars has polar ice in it's poles maybe of ice-methane, probably responsible for the recently detected season water flows on mars, the highest mountain in the solar system 'Olympic Mons' seats here, a mountain so great that the everest seems only but an infant before it.

Being just in the cosmic backyard of Man, mars always has been an attracting call to man which he has started to answer in the numerous space crafts he has sent to mars to study the world and give him results of which we now have inside view of the planet and possibly soon by October the ESA probe and robotic lab that will descend into the surface of mars would help look beneath the soil if any form of organic molecules or life form lurked within.

Mars soon will be receiving the very first human foot print sooner than we may think...

Continues ......

SOLAR SYSTEM CONTINUED..


Asteroid belt
We propel on from the mean Mars and encounter the Asteroid belt, a treacherous zone rock debris, dust collected enormously in their own orbit.

This belt lies between the orbits of Jupiter and Mars, a sad look into the history of the solar system.

Here in lies remnants of a massive catastrophe, here lies the remains of a violent event, a grave yard for a destroyed planet or planets.

The asteroid belt may have been formed from a strong collision between two massive planetary bodies probably during the early stage of the young solar system leaving behind large stones as well as small ones in varying sizes and shapes littering the zone.

the only mini-planet in the inner solar system lies in this zone, Ceres we call it. A small world, an asteroid really but a curious world of stones of it's own beautiful and treacherous.

Jupiter and it's moons

Now across the asteroid belt we plunge further into the darkness of the void approaching that which is regarded the King of the planets.

Jupiter in all it's majesty and size paying homage to a greedy accumulation of matter during it's formation.

Jupiter is basically a giant ball of gas with a hard solid core, windy and turbulent, the history of Stars and planets mentioned earlier are not any different.

Stars can be referred as planetary bodies that accumulated enough interstellar matter for their core to ignite a thermonuclear reaction, so planets also due to accumulation of these interstellar matter are just stars that didn't get enough.

The closest being the biggest planets, Jupiter is an example of a near star formation that didn't happen.

If Jupiter had gotten more matter and massive during the formation of the solar system it would have possibly gotten to a stage where nuclear fusion is triggered and hydrogen begins to burn in it's core thus birthing a smaller star.

We would have been in a double star star system with no night even will come in sight as two stars will beam down their rays on us, life would have evolve much differently on earth than it is now.

But alas Jupiter is just a star that never happened.

The huge king of the planets have rings typical of another gas giant saturn though Jupiters is less likely noticed that the flamboyant one of saturn.

Hydrogen, methane, nitrogen present in the Jovian world reacting to sunlight beaming down reddish brown bright colour into the cosmos, the same matter that gave life to earth gives Jupiter it's bright reddish brown colour.

No wonder Jupiter is named after the King of all Roman Gods, it has has that unparalleled greed that accompanies human Gods. Jupiter has locked within the reach of it's gravity 67moons.

67 worlds orbiting this planet of which the best of their kind are the 4gelilean moons Io, europa, Ganymede and callisto.

huge worlds that may possess a liquid ocean beneath their ice rocky surfaces due to tidal heating from their massive radioactive host planet.

the Jovian system is basically a different system of it's own trapped in the reach of a much bigger force [sun].

Homage to the king of the planets we pass the orbits of Jupiter and head on to

Saturn

A treacherous world of it's own, big and beautiful with a distinguishing feature found in it's big ring -which is made up tiny dust and water crystals orbiting the planet at differential relative speed at different level.

From earth saturn more or less looks like a planet with ears, a feature that baffled early astronomers since the advent of crude telescopes used to peer at the sky.

The rings of Saturn and Jupiter provide us instances on the first nature of the solar system, all the matter that has accumulated and evolved into planets and moons were once a ring system around an infant sun blowing out violently in it's excited yawn of getting into a cosmic field.

With time these solar interstellar matter condensed to form smaller unfortunate stars which we recognize as planets.

The rings of saturn and Jupiter lend words to to this and the fate of the martian moon straying further into the Martian grip to be torn apart by martian gravity earning mars it's own ring soon in the timeline of the cosmic play.

so these rings rather unfortunate moons that didn't form or ones that strayed to near and got shrouded.

the moons of saturn number up to 60 of more with the biggest both in the park of saturnian moons or all the moons of the solar system being Titan.

Titan is a remarkable moon, a strong candidate for our quest for life else where in the cosmos. posses own radioactive way of internal heating, traces of black organic molecules has been detected and these molecules experiments of primordial earth period has shown also were in the early stages of emergence of life on earth.

We cannot readily dismiss Titan but the torch of empiricism will be handed over if we land a robotic probe on the surface of Titan and probe for proof or nature of these organic molecules.


Uranus and Neptune

Two giant blue worlds of ice and rock, among the categories of Gas giants but also peculiarly dubbed Ice-giants.

these two big worlds are twin-like in appearance and characteristics, both full of ice and a little pinch of rocks.

Neptune having being detected theoretically before ever being seen first by a telescope by noticing the wobbly nature of Uranus orbits.

Pluto

Further we head out more past the neptunian zone and plunge into the outskirts of the system where the Trans-neptunian objects lurk.

A small beautiful world pluto seats and stands out in this regard, a small mini-planet with a moon almost same it's size. the strangest relationship of a moon and planet in the solar system known in terms of size of the moon in contrast to it's host planet.

Pluto is a rocky world with the data of the New Horizon probe that reached earth far from deep space, small and cold but has more rocks than previously thought so now being dubbed among the rocky worlds alongside Mercury, venus, earth, mars.

Further past Pluto and Charon it's ever lovely moon of same size we depart far into the outer worlds of the trans-neptunian objects.

where we find small worlds like
Make-make
sedna
eris
Haume
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and recently and most curiously a gravitational anomaly is suggesting the existence of a planetary body as large as neptune lurking deep in the darkness of the outskirts of the solar system.

same kind gravitational effect on other orbits from whence Neptune was theoretized before being found.

the said planet X, it's my sincere hope that a telescope imaging gives illumination to it's actuality and true nature and a name can be hewn from it ridding it of the (X) symbol of unknown it now bears...

Here the worlds dance around each other and a sun in an invisible string music of the reaching gravity singing the tunes for the worlds.

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Pluto has been demoted to a dwarf planet ...so we have 8 planets and the unknown hypothetical planet is called Planet 9...

Ahhhh....... The Solar System. Our very own backyard. Even though man is peering via monstrously expensive equpment to the deep dark (is space dark?? If so, is there a "light"space) recesses of space; we should never forget our very own house.......

I do have a qwestion that's been somehow buggering me though. Jupiter, as I know it, is filled to the brim with Hydrogen Molecules. And Jupiter also has an atmosphere, like most planets. Now the question is

Since Asteroids heat up on getting into the atmosphere of planets and sometimes even land with the fiery remnants............

Why hasn't Jupiter gone up in smoke yet

What can make Jupiter blow up


I don't know if I'm making sense.......

Hoping at the end of the day to finally grasp the theme of the this work.....


First question though: isn't it more proper for this work to be in the science section than religion? It looks more scientific to me...


Mods on here (not completely sure) do not really appreciate threads by atheists in religion section to get to broader audience which is ur target.

following....

uncjay:
Hoping at the end of the day to finally grasp the theme of the this work.....


First question though: isn't it more proper for this work to be in the science section than religion? It looks more scientific to me...

I wanted to put it up in the science section but i wanted to reach a much broader target but putting it up here is still not misplaced as it is aimed at setting straight the evolutionary journey of man's enquiry of which ofcourse cannot be seperated from superstition hence religion.

it's a broad thread that i intend to touch both the scientific, philosophical and theological roles in the intellectual evolution of man but also while at it try and teach much about our universe as we now know.

Mods on here (not completely sure) do not really appreciate threads by atheists in religion section to get to broader audience which is ur target.

This is not really about atheism. I have no intent of using this to plead the atheist course unless 'science' is seen as an atheist tool which i doubt it is.

Double post.

How did I miss this post? It never appeared to my mentions. Following. Coming back to comment when I got some free time.

johnydon22:
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I like the idea of this thread. I was delighted to read the posts. I am eagerly waiting for the next installments.
In the meantime, let me express some general idea on the universe.

I personaly think most religions/mythologies came from the observation of the cosmos and the curiosity it generated. When I was very young I used to gaze for very long at the sky at night and observe the stars. I would try to differentiate them according to their bright, according to constellations, or according to the feeling they aroused within me.

Many religious characters seem to be the expression of the character of some star. There was this star, when I would see it, it would remind me of Zeus and power and Authority. There was this other star, I had the impression it was always close to me. I later discovered it was the Big Dipper asterism.

I think there is much to learn from nature in general, and from the stars.

Pluto is not really a planet, it a giant rock made of ice


What is this planet X pls give clearer explanation as this is my first time hearing of it

LoJ:

I like the idea of this thread. I was delighted to read the posts. I am eagerly waiting for the next installments.
In the meantime, let me express some general idea on the universe.

I personaly think most religions/mythologies came from the observation of the cosmos and the curiosity it generated. When I was very young I used to gaze for very long at the sky at night and observe the stars. I would try to differentiate them according to their bright, according to constellations, or according to the feeling they aroused within me.

Many religious characters seem to be the expression of the character of some star. There was this star, when I would see it, it would remind me of Zeus and power and Authority. There was this other star, I had the impression it was always close to me. I later discovered it was the Big Dipper asterism.

I think there is much to learn from nature in general, and from the stars.

You are right boss, i intend to throw more light on this fact through the journey of this thread.

'Superstition' arose as a means to answer questions bugging the mind of man, so superstition is a child of enquiry which evolved into what we now know as Science.

Science and superstition **from whence religion came** maybe consonants but science emerged from superstition as a means of deduction.

the only reason why they are now consonant to each other is because 'science' evolved past that stage... 'Natural selection' is a factor of natural evolution.

In intellectual evolution i'd like to coin out the word 'intellectual selection' as a determining factor to ideas that survives and evolve...

so 'intellectual selection in coincide with empiricism fueled the evolution and separation of science from superstition.

with this thread i intend to shine a light on this development and history

LoJ:
How did I miss this post? It never appeared to my mentions. Following. Coming back to comment when I got some free time.

welcome boss ... seat back and relax

Naijaboy007:
Pluto is not really a planet, it a giant rock made of ice


What is this planet X pls give clearer explanation as this is my first time hearing of it

It's a hypothetical planet ... It was hypothesized just like neptune was detected through gravitational effects.

-Neptune was not first discovered in picture, they were slight distortion in the orbit of Uranus and scientists hypothesized that a body of decent gravitational effect was the cause thus 'Neptune... Was confirmed later in pictures by telescopes..

So the trans-neptunian object dubbed planet X is a hypothetical planet issued to explain the perturbation of the ice-giants orbits but calculations suggest this might be due to Neptunes Mass.

So generally the scientific body do not accept such a planet exists, its just wild speculation

FIRE OF THE GODS (advent of man's intellectual evolution)

"And for the little bushmen of the Kalahari, the rumble of a thunder is because the Gods has eaten too much and their stomachs are rumbling"
Narrator Gods must be crazy

A very rational conclusion for the bushmen of the Kalahari, it was a rational explanation born out of curiosity given to a strange and also curious phenomenon.

But to say rationalization is directly proportional to advancement, the level of rationality can be said to be improved when there is an advancement in study and empirical reliance - this factor however differs alongside historical timeline and civilizations.

Let us travel through time and back into when it all began, let our songs take us back to the birth of our enquiry, back through time to when man first queried his mind about himself, activities around him and the stars twinkling in the skies.

In our journey through this time, we head to a time when societies where not born yet - Primeval humans lived more in packs of close relations, a time when there were no pyramids or temples, when man's architecture could not boast better than that of a bird, the era without cities and politics, warfare or dynasties, the era when caves were a luxury and trees provided basic shades.

the time when humans were not better than the wild beasts that feed on raw flesh, when no fire flickered in the camp side, when clothing fundamentally was just for temperature regulation made simple from the sad providence of death plagued on other species.

We rewind back to when it was all young and simple.

Primordial humans were simple folks, they had same brain as us but lacked our tools and advancement but while we boast of these tools and advancement let us not quick in that ego deny the fact that our advancement was built on a fundamental bedrock that started with their enquiry, our advancement now is basically an intrinsic accumulation of all simple human enquiry starting from this primordial era.

-I would argue that our advancement is not really "Ours" as in referring modern humans of this age but Ours as a reference to ALL humans who ever lived, now live and will live …

These simple human folks lived no more than what we would attribute to wild beasts of the field, they had no houses but sort under the caves or a simple manipulation of trees and bushes for shelter.

Food was raw as no fire then was known to these folks even though surely there must be fires in places around the globe from natural sources like Volcanoes, lightening etc but they were yet to encounter one.

They had no large societies therefore politics never existed, everyman only had an allegiance to himself and those directly bound to him from the most basic fundamental ties that can hold humans - family.

They lived and died in these small family packs oblivious that there were others just like them thriving some where else , i doubt if having not explored through the stretching arms of migration many of them had thought there was more to earth than the expanse of the horizons visible to them.

They hunted and ate with simple preservative methods being spreading out food in the sun - A genius method that even till today we still use.
utilized basic tools for hunting and defence against other animals that shared the given habitat with them such as Hyenas, lions, tigers all caught in the cruelty of a close food web.

Man's encounter with fire is something almost certainly was accidental as most discoveries and even inventions were, it has been caught in the later developed myth of man like the sad story of Prometheus.

A remarkable eloquent and sad tragedy as told by the ancient Greeks to explain man's first encounter with fire.

To them fire was something that could not have existed naturally, Fire just had to be supernatural in fact was taken directly from the hearth of the divine so fire as the ancient greeks explained was an unnatural jewel born out of the divine.

As the story goes -

Prometheus was a young outre young Titan, was born of the Titan lepetus.

Known never to have been a measly subordinate of Zeus, in fact Prometheus was sometimes a challenger of the Father of the Gods' power.

In his most legendary dealing with the most powerful Zeus, Prometheus outdid himself in his epic trick of mecone .

The gods and mortal man had arranged a meeting at Mecone where the matter of division of sacrifice between gods and men was to be settled.

Prometheus slew a large ox, and divided it into two piles.

In one pile he put all the meat and most of the fat, skillfully covering it with the ox's grotesque stomach, while in the other pile, he dressed up the bones artfully with shining fat.

Prometheus then invited Zeus to choose; Zeus chose the pile of bones.

As an act of revenge, Zeus hid fire from mankind, leaving them cold and shivering at night.

Prometheus , however, out of pity stole it for them shortly after, incurring the further wrath of Zeus. Prometheus's punishment was to be chained to a rock and have an eagle pick out
his liver every day for eons.

the Liver would grow back after being picked out by the eagle who would then come back the next day and resume his unusual meal to the agony of his unwilling host.

It was a story of a selfless sacrifice, a pointer to how valuable fire was to man that in this story it was worth such a heinous retribution.

The greeks in the sandwich of human cultures coming up with explanations of fire were not the only to assume or portray 'fire' a divine projection.

worthy of note are few others like

-in the Hindu mythology, Mātariśvan also recovered fire which was taken out of human reach

-In the book of Enoch (Hebrew mythology) the fallen angels taught humanity technology and fire.

-Americas had the ideas that an animal did probably a dog.

and very many other cultures that showed fire as first being elusive to humanity until from an act of unparalleled heroism someone goes and retrieves it for the good of humanity directly from the restriction and disapproving gesture of the divine

It is fascinating, the ancients recognized fire to be a very important thing that it takes a divine value.

Fire is indeed so important, probably the greatest discovery man ever made because it affected man's development and well being so much that even as of today we boast of a very high technological advancement -take away fire from us - everything will ground to a halt, both technology and even science, we almost certainly will become extinct faster than one can imagine.

Fire was directly responsible for the technological advancement of humanity thus fire was the amber on which technology was illuminated.

When man controlled fire, he controlled Iron harder than the stones and sticks he usually used as tools thus a technological leap was made.

We have seen how rationally the ancients had seen fire more of a supernatural value manifesting naturally only because it was wrenched directly from the protection of reluctant Gods, a remarkable pointer to how 'Superstition' was the center player in the answers to the questions of the ancients who held philosophy in high esteem.

I have however in concord with modern scientific and historical speculation have the idea of man's encounter with fire being much accidental like very many of our discoveries.

I had imagined it to be something like a volcano erupting nearby both startling the naive curious man with it's loud rumbling and dark smokes rising up towards the heavens and also most certainly a nearby bush setting ablaze by the hot molten lava that flowed down the slope.

Or a near miss of a lightening bolt sparking up fire some where very near for 'someone to see it'

I can imagine his awe, surprise and fear as he sees the yellow amber dancing and eating away the fuel it burns dancing steadily with the gentle wind.

He must have ran away as fast as his legs could carry him at the strange thing but also when his safety seems guaranteed and his curiosity pricks him he'd go back to have a second look.

Imagine the excitement of the pack (family) when he reports his findings and they all run towards the strange 'thing' with held breathe to see for themselves what one of them had so remarkably painted to be out of the world.

Thus man must have met his next phase of evolution only this time 'Intellectual evolution' through an accidental encounter and discovery.

Continued....

johnydon22:
FIRE OF THE GODS (advent of man's intellectual evolution)

"And for the little bushmen of the Kalahari, the rumble of a thunder is because the Gods has eaten too much and their stomachs are rumbling"
Narrator Gods must be crazy

A very rational conclusion for the bushmen of the Kalahari, it was a rational explanation born out of curiosity given to a strange and also curious phenomenon.

But to say rationalization is directly proportional to advancement, the level of rationality can be said to be improved when there is an advancement in study and empirical reliance - this factor however differs alongside historical timeline and civilizations.

Let us travel through time and back into when it all began, let our songs take us back to the birth of our enquiry, back through time to when man first queried his mind about himself, activities around him and the stars twinkling in the skies.

In our journey through this time, we head to a time when societies where not born yet - Primeval humans lived more in packs of close relations, a time when there were no pyramids or temples, when man's architecture could not boast better than that of a bird, the era without cities and politics, warfare or dynasties, the era when caves were a luxury and trees provided basic shades.

the time when humans were not better than the wild beasts that feed on raw flesh, when no fire flickered in the camp side, when clothing fundamentally was just for temperature regulation made simple from the sad providence of death plagued on other species.

We rewind back to when it was all young and simple.

Primordial humans were simple folks, they had same brain as us but lacked our tools and advancement but while we boast of these tools and advancement let us not quick in that ego deny the fact that our advancement was built on a fundamental bedrock that started with their enquiry, our advancement now is basically an intrinsic accumulation of all simple human enquiry starting from this primordial era.

-I would argue that our advancement is not really "Ours" as in referring modern humans of this age but Ours as a reference to ALL humans who ever lived, now live and will live …

These simple human folks lived no more than what we would attribute to wild beasts of the field, they had no houses but sort under the caves or a simple manipulation of trees and bushes for shelter.

Food was raw as no fire then was known to these folks even though surely there must be fires in places around the globe from natural sources like Volcanoes, lightening etc but they were yet to encounter one.

They had no large societies therefore politics never existed, everyman only had an allegiance to himself and those directly bound to him from the most basic fundamental ties that can hold humans - family.

They lived and died in these small family packs oblivious that there were others just like them thriving some where else , i doubt if having not explored through the stretching arms of migration many of them had thought there was more to earth than the expanse of the horizons visible to them.

They hunted and ate with simple preservative methods being spreading out food in the sun - A genius method that even till today we still use.
utilized basic tools for hunting and defence against other animals that shared the given habitat with them such as Hyenas, lions, tigers all caught in the cruelty of a close food web.

Man's encounter with fire is something almost certainly was accidental as most discoveries and even inventions were, it has been caught in the later developed myth of man like the sad story of Prometheus.

A remarkable eloquent and sad tragedy as told by the ancient Greeks to explain man's first encounter with fire.

To them fire was something that could not have existed naturally, Fire just had to be supernatural in fact was taken directly from the hearth of the divine so fire as the ancient greeks explained was an unnatural jewel born out of the divine.

As the story goes -

Prometheus was a young outre young Titan, was born of the Titan lepetus.

Known never to have been a measly subordinate of Zeus, in fact Prometheus was sometimes a challenger of the Father of the Gods' power.

In his most legendary dealing with the most powerful Zeus, Prometheus outdid himself in his epic trick of mecone .

The gods and mortal man had arranged a meeting at Mecone where the matter of division of sacrifice between gods and men was to be settled.

Prometheus slew a large ox, and divided it into two piles.

In one pile he put all the meat and most of the fat, skillfully covering it with the ox's grotesque stomach, while in the other pile, he dressed up the bones artfully with shining fat.

Prometheus then invited Zeus to choose; Zeus chose the pile of bones.

As an act of revenge, Zeus hid fire from mankind, leaving them cold and shivering at night.

Prometheus , however, out of pity stole it for them shortly after, incurring the further wrath of Zeus. Prometheus's punishment was to be chained to a rock and have an eagle pick out
his liver every day for eons.

the Liver would grow back after being picked out by the eagle who would then come back the next day and resume his unusual meal to the agony of his unwilling host.

It was a story of a selfless sacrifice, a pointer to how valuable fire was to man that in this story it was worth such a heinous retribution.

The greeks in the sandwich of human cultures coming up with explanations of fire were not the only to assume or portray 'fire' a divine projection.

worthy of note are few others like

-in the Hindu mythology, Mātariśvan also recovered fire which was taken out of human reach

-In the book of Enoch (Hebrew mythology) the fallen angels taught humanity technology and fire.

-Americas had the ideas that an animal did probably a dog.

and very many other cultures that showed fire as first being elusive to humanity until from an act of unparalleled heroism someone goes and retrieves it for the good of humanity directly from the restriction and disapproving gesture of the divine

It is fascinating, the ancients recognized fire to be a very important thing that it takes a divine value.

Fire is indeed so important, probably the greatest discovery man ever made because it affected man's development and well being so much that even as of today we boast of a very high technological advancement -take away fire from us - everything will ground to a halt, both technology and even science, we almost certainly will become extinct faster than one can imagine.

Fire was directly responsible for the technological advancement of humanity thus fire was the amber on which technology was illuminated.

When man controlled fire, he controlled Iron harder than the stones and sticks he usually used as tools thus a technological leap was made.

We have seen how rationally the ancients had seen fire more of a supernatural value manifesting naturally only because it was wrenched directly from the protection of reluctant Gods, a remarkable pointer to how 'Superstition' was the center player in the answers to the questions of the ancients who held philosophy in high esteem.

I have however in concord with modern scientific and historical speculation have the idea of man's encounter with fire being much accidental like very many of our discoveries.

I had imagined it to be something like a volcano erupting nearby both startling the naive curious man with it's loud rumbling and dark smokes rising up towards the heavens and also most certainly a nearby bush setting ablaze by the hot molten lava that flowed down the slope.

Or a near miss of a lightening bolt sparking up fire some where very near for 'someone to see it'

I can imagine his awe, surprise and fear as he sees the yellow amber dancing and eating away the fuel it burns dancing steadily with the gentle wind.

He must have ran away as fast as his legs could carry him at the strange thing but also when his safety seems guaranteed and his curiosity pricks him he'd go back to have a second look.

Imagine the excitement of the pack (family) when he reports his findings and they all run towards the strange 'thing' with held breathe to see for themselves what one of them had so remarkably painted to be out of the world.

Thus man must have met his next phase of evolution only this time 'Intellectual evolution' through an accidental encounter and discovery.

Continued....

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I can imagine their excitement feeling the heat and warmth of fire on their bodies like a mini sun shinning in the night, they would mop at it in awe for hours -looking directly at the amber that defined their next step.

They'd see it eats things on their part, grasses, twigs, woods and the more it fed the more it grew and the more it burns and dances and this would incite an idea.

They could gather these foods that the burning amber eats and it could then burn for them, i can vividly see their terrified yet excited face as their take a burning twig or two home and drop it among their own gathered twigs and grasses and alas it burned.

Man had tamed fire, what was in the hearth of the Gods now brought to live the hearth of man.

The whole family would seat around the fire looking at it with so much enthusiasm that it would constitute a better part of their dreams, technological advancement was now at the tip of man's fingers.

-He now tamed fire and so the irons will now be subjected to his dictates.

-Clays will do his bidding and became hard as stone

-his tools of stones and wood were coming to an end taking a bow for ones of bronze, copper, lead, gold, aluminium and finally iron.

The ambers that lit the hearth of man raised a whole lot of disturbing questions, the awe stricken but curious man would ponder what this must be just like the small dots of light he observed in the sky only that this was near him, this was his.

-maybe the twinkling lights in the sky are fires in the hearths of some other powerful living entities living far far away.

-maybe these beings (Later Gods) are more powerful than us, looks at us.

Man's questions must be answered, man is never comfortable with ignorance.


Here is one trait of human nature that is sorely based on ego, this ego is still prevalent to this day in modern humans.

Man would rather make up an answer than agree that he doesn't know

This was the situation of the primordial humans, they were ignorant to the answers of their questions but very uncomfortable in their ignorance so any answer that their heads could wrap around seemed rational therefore relevant and satisfying.

This is the difference in approach that modern science has derived, to practise or indulge in modern science you must first be comfortable with admitting ignorance .

Admitting ignorance leaves room for a question mark and diminishes the hastiness to reach an answer.

Science now is a humbling enterprise correcting the mistakes of the early humans who in the uncomfortable feeling of their ignorance derived a hasty answer of their limited rational grasp devoid of empirical spice thus birthing what we now know as superstition …

I would not necessarily maintain this to be a mistake rather my position is that it was a necessary leap for mankind, a foundation that defined our pathway to science.

it is expected that such mistakes be made, they had no already known example so they were the first 'trial and error' era, our own deductions today didn't just get better magically, No. it was rather built by contrasting the mistakes of the past and avoid making the same mistakes again.

So science today was directly as a result of that One giant step of mankind, that small battle against ignorance, the first mistakes of mankind.

_Questions were asked in these primeval era and answers were given in a rational sense.

To the mind of a man Nature is a very questionable thing, things manifest in every angle, in every way and in any sense, uncaring and unrestricted.

Superstition was born out of sorely naturalistic probes though disconnected from the naturalistic confines.

-Fire was first thought unnatural by the amazed minds of these early men, it was unusual so how could it be just an everyday 'nature'?

It must have been unnatural, maybe these beings living far away from us in the campsites that appear to be points of lights in the sky took pity on us and the cold nights we have and sent us a little of their fire to keep us warm.

These are the good beings, they are kind to us for sending us something that betters our situation.

it is sorely not possible for this beautiful warm amber to just appear to us by chance someone must have been behind it and sent it down to us.

This must have been the rational conclusions given to the manifestation of fire which we now recognize as heat, fuel and oxygen in one accord.

We looked more than our expectations and broke down the little forces behind that over amazing manifestation 'fire'. what to the ancients seemed unearthly and supernatural because it exceeded their expectations and triggered their amazement has for us become sorely natural since we have now derived a very basic fundamental understanding of what it was.

What was initially only possible for higher unearthly beings given to us as an act of pity or later in developing stories an act of heroic sacrifice became sorely recognized to us an act of nature.

_Nature as we sure know is uncaring and fundamentally uncharted, nature is neither good or bad these value are a child of the human mind placing himself in the center of natural activities that raged on around him.

So to humans Nature became either good or bad which is a projection of how a particular natural manifestation affects him but in the real sense there is no such thing in nature, it just happens.

So in the course of this overly uncaring and uncharted cosmic events man kept seeing weird manifestations.

-A lightening could have zapped down one and instantly kills or injures him.

If there are these powerful beings that affects us and give us good things then how possible was it that they now harm us?

The other rational and logical way around that should and must be to these early humans; there are two types of these powerful beings that affects us.

Some of them are good that they give us good things like fire for our warmth, rain our drinking pleasure and plants, fruits for our betterment, a friendly sunshine, a bright day and good breezes to cool our body.

But what about much more aggressive events that seem more likely aiming at killing us, what about that angry fast flash from the skies that would almost certainly kill you,

or the quaking of the earth that doesn't know what is dear and what is not?

what about that strange illness that just happens and kills one of us?

what about great floods that render us homeless and floods our caves?

they couldn't have just happened for no reason at all.

No it was very unlikely that these events be related or from one source, they cannot be from the same beings.

They must be then evil powerful beings that would harm us just like they are good ones that wants to help us.

superstition had provided an answer one i find rational and expected thus Gods had entered the playing field.

Man reasons then it is right for us to make allegiance with the good ones, thank them and seek their protection from the viles of the bad ones who man must have grown to fear.

Thus beget the religious nature and behaviour of man...

Enquiry birthed superstition which culminated into man's religious behaviour and enthusiastic piety.

The songs became more intrinsic, man is growing and so is his intellect and actions.

Like i use to say, nobody as far as i know were as logical as St.Augustine cum St. Thomas Aquinas, but they all concluded that after logic comes FAITH. I am a living testimony








-oremussanctus

johnydon22:


So the trans-neptunian object dubbed planet X is a hypothetical planet issued to explain the perturbation of the ice-giants orbits but calculations suggest this might be due to Neptunes Mass.

After the international Astronomical Union disclassified pluto as a planet, this hypothetical planet was called Planet Nine(its no longer Planet X)

Enjoying the thread by the way(thank Zeus its back)...

Yes, the thread is back. Now lets continue reading with pleasure.

Yaaaay!!! my thread is back finally!!!, i specially thank the moderators for bringing my thread back from oblivion.

Takes the drivers seat : "lets continue our journey ladies and gentlemen"

The sun from space

Not really relevant per say, not even important actually, but just want to point out it appears yellow to us on the rock because of effects it has on the atmosphere due to its proximity.From space, right from outside our atmosphere, it's just a great ball of white like all the other stars in the night sky

Reason I highlight this? To bring home the fact that it's just another star. Nothing special. People seem to forget that, or it doesn't really register with them.

All the phenomena you describe here, from the formation of plantets to that of asteroid belts and more, will be occuring (plus or minus other phenomena) on most of those little little lights you see at night, plus some

Plus trillions more, actually

But no, some would like to suggest that ours is the special star. The only one capable various little things. And all the others were created just so we could marvel at how great god is, and just how special we are


Man, I dey see double...may come back and edit/clearify when sober.....

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