Justdulla:

Very unreasonable post you made..is the government supposed to provide job for everyone?? or did the government cause the mass influx of citizens to lagos state everyday...What is wrong is wrong,stop spewing thrash online abeg... If you cant reason objectively,then think theoritically.

Things are already tough in Nigeria. It's not as if Nigeria is as developed as the West in terms of infrastructure to cater for all. Government can't employ everybody yet they are making things tough for hustlers. Btw, who says anyone can't come to Lagos ?

Having a logical and reasonable debate on Nairaland keeps getting tougher and tougher each day. Its like most of the Nigerians on this thread thrive in just being ignorant and the reach of their reasoning is pretty limited.

Yesterday so many people challenged the fact that there was actually a law against street trading in Lagos (and many other Nigerian State capitals). Now that the lagos state government has again reiterated that street hawking/peddling is illegal, the arguement is about if the hawkers should rather resort to being armed robbers.

Now the foolishness of this line of reasoning can be seen when looked at like this: So all unemployed struggling young persons in Nigeria are either hawkers or robbers. There is no other option to making money for the unemployed except to be an illegal street trader, A Criminal Armed robber or an illegal street begger. There is no other business one can do in this nation of over 150 million people to make money when unemployed with no money to make money... REALLY?!!!!

So to those of you on here holding on to this line of argument, this is it extent of the depth of your reasoning to making money when you are unemployed with minimal cash.


iGiveUp for the second time on this thread.. I really do.


#GodBlessNigeria&HaveMercyOnUsAll...

Now this is disappointing- no where in this long statement where it is stated that the LASG regrets the unfortunate death of the poor boy who might still be alive had he not been chased in the first place.

Ogbeni Steve you used to do better than this nah.

Omoluabi16:
And what of the Agbero's? Okay na honest work too

It's even the agbero that the government should go after and not the hawkers, that's the irony.

Justdulla:

ok lemme talk...so u talking bout other feasible option.. What happened to craftsmanship,learning a trade,skilled and unskilled labour. These are all subseta of the white collar job. If that same kid was a mechanic or vulcanizer or prolly a car wash attendant. Kai officers wont be running after him .There is a law in the land and he broke it,if what he was doing was right,he wouldnt have scampered like he dis,he put his life at risk because he knew what he was doing was wrong. An unfortunate occurence took place and this should serve as a lesson to other law breakers. We cant say we want Nigeria to change and we are not ready to change afterall we are the same Nigerians and change is expected of Everyone... We always blame our leaders for being corrupt but we are far more corrupt than they are. The common man is the major problem of Nigeria, The common man marries a wife in the case of the North 2 or 3 wifes,he copulates and gives birth to tens of offspring,he creates poverty in his household and now spreads it to his environment. Are you telling me you will see Tinubus or Buharis kids hawking gala? answer is NO. The common man basterdized the freedom in Nigeria to commit unspeakable acts he litters his environment with dirt,downpour occurs there is a flood he blames the government. He erects a structure under a high tension,Govt pulls it down he screams wickedness. Everything in Nigeria we blame the government,when are we gona start to blame our own selves for some of our careless attitude towards urgent matters? Such kid would have been in the Village farming or doing menial labour,but know he was in the city and the city killed him. Nigerians have this mentality of making it big in the city whereas there is nothing really big in the city. Government cant cater and be responsible for all our needs,its high time we accept the blame for some of our misdeed. You may see me as cold hearted,but trust me am not,am a common man,but i reason objectively,i obey the laws of the land and respect people. I have a believe that if you do or say no wrong,you would be secure from harms way to an extent. I dont blame the KAI officials,neither do I blame the poor kid that died.But simple truth is that a misadventure occured and we shouldnt be sentimental about it.. Left for me its the Animals that started destroying public properties that should be held accounatble for disturbing public peace and causing anarchy. Thank u

I believe you to some level but bros, have you tasted real poverty Where there is almost no means of survival.....hmm

FredN:



Hypocrisy is when you don't want peaceful hawkers but you support rampaging fulani herdsmen hawking violence everywhere

what's your point here? because I see no atom of sense in it at all. what is bad is bad

If I may ask, what is illegal about trading compared to public funds stealing and embezzlement when there are no jobs for the so called traders? The best thing to do is to get them off street trading through empowerment and job creation, not by arresting and putting them black marriers to later extort money from them and later chasing them till their death. This is just to bad from Lagos State.

So easy to say #5000 fine or 3months imprisonment....as if dats wat they would have done if d boy was caught...I've seen dis wicked KAI people work....every goods confiscated from u whether worth a MIllion naira is gone for good...dats y they prefer to run with their goods Dan wait to b caught....though street hawking is prohibited in lagos as d law says....but u need to beta dis peoples lives by giving Dem jobs and not just witch hunting Dem for ur own(KAI) selfish pocket...may d boys soul RIP....

Okijajuju1:



Uncle,

What about the risk of getting hit by a moving vehicle associated with street/highway trading? Has that thought crossed your mind?

What about the environmental pollution impact?

The fact that criminals masquerade as hawkers to commit crimes in traffic ranging from robbery to snatching purses, etc?

Your comment on armed robbery is just too shallow. So if they are not hawking (which is illegal), the only other means to make a living is Armed Robbery (which is not just illegal but actually a multiple criminal offense). There is not legal job option apart from these two abi? Or you forgot to add 'Begging' as option number three.

Like seriously!! This is the only thing you can think of as an alternative to street hawking?


I give up..

God bless you and increase your knowledge.
The incidence was rather unfortunate but it was definitely an accident waiting to happen.
Hawking on major roads in Lagos has been banned, this clearly means those hawking on highways understand what they are doing is illegal, but they still do it nevertheless.
The govt should do everything to discourage hawking on the highways to avoid this sort of needless death, destruction of public properties and public disturbance.

Peacefulgold:
So easy to say #5000 fine or 3months imprisonment....as if dats wat they would have done if d boy was caught...I've seen dis wicked KAI people work....every goods confiscated from u whether worth a MIllion naira is gone for good...dats y they prefer to run with their goods Dan wait to b caught....though street hawking is prohibited in lagos as d law says....but u need to beta dis peoples lives by giving Dem jobs and not just witch hunting Dem for ur own(KAI) selfish pocket...may d boys soul RIP....

The accident was an unfortunate one, but Lagos State cannot shoulder the burden of the other 35 states in Nigeria.
You don't expect Lagos to provide jobs for everybody trooping daily into Lagos in luxurious buses day and night.

R.I.P to the dead. Government will always have an answer.

This Ayorinde of a man is not serious. He is not even talking about the boy that was killed. He is busy telling us about how to curb the menace of hawkers and street trading. It is quite unfortunate that Nigeria is a country where anybody can do whatever he/she wants and go free. Weather it is soft drink truck or brt bus that crushed the poor boy to death, it is very bad of the way these KAI of a group use to chase this poor hawkers. I witnessed this same incident sometime last year at sura Junction. About 4 months ago, a hawker that was on the run for this same KAI fell in front of my car and shattered my windscreen. please lagos state government has to do something about this KAI. We are talking about someone's life here and one heartless fellow is busy here telling us one nonsense story on how to keep lagos clean from Street trading and hawkers.

alubert4real:
If I may ask, what is illegal about trading compared to public funds stealing and embezzlement when there are no jobs for the so called traders? The best thing to do is to get them off street trading through empowerment and job creation, not by arresting and putting them black marriers to later extort money from them and later chasing them till their death. This is just to bad from Lagos State.

There is nothing illegal in trading, but according to Lagos state laws, it is illegal to do your trading by hawking your goods on Lagos highways. From experience, hawking on roads contribute to traffic congestion and often times, petty criminals and robbers use the decoy of hawking to rob motorists.

mizzbouqui:
Who will now sell to me gala and lacasara while in traffic, abeg leave them alone o

Humm! Later you would begin to complain to the same govt. of how you were robbed in traffic. What happens to driving through Mr. Big, Sweet Sensation, Mega Chicken, Tantalize... Etc?

May his soul rest in peace. I make 120k every 5 weeks farming (green vegetables) on a standard plot of land at Ajah. I work just between 30 to 45mins per day. I bought 2 goats from my profits. One she and he goats. Planning to buy more and expand my farming to the next plot of land.

The land on which I farm belong to someone living abroad, who has no plan yet on what to do with the land.

I am a graduate of banking and finance since 2012. I started farming 4 months ago, I wish I had started earlier.

Justdulla:

Very unreasonable post you made..is the government supposed to provide job for everyone?? or did the government cause the mass influx of citizens to lagos state everyday...What is wrong is wrong,stop spewing thrash online abeg... If you cant reason objectively,then think theoritically.

Oga Mr theory,who theory don help.

mizzbouqui:
Who will now sell to me gala and lacasara while in traffic, abeg leave them alone o

Gala n lacasera?at d expense of human lives?Aunty wa!

You.....

willyo:
Getting rid of hawkers and vendors yet u can't create jobs...
The next thing... Labelled a criminal and the rest is history
This government of the day where the government doesn't exist...
God help the poor

Mofos ke?

Cherishing:
Those two mofos up there sha



Isn't it too early


Abi dem curse Una two with argument ??!

Cherishing:
Those two mofos up there sha



Isn't it too early


Abi dem curse Una two with argument ??!

loopman:


The accident was an unfortunate one, but Lagos State cannot shoulder the burden of the other 35 states in Nigeria.
You don't expect Lagos to provide jobs for everybody trooping daily into Lagos in luxurious buses day and night.

U r very correct....but my pain is dat dis Kai officials r not actually doing dis job for d government but rather just looking for victims to enrich their pocket wit...let me give u an example..dis happened in oshodi...a pedestrian was about crossing d express wit out using d bridge and dis Kai official was just standing next to him,instead of d guy to call him back not to cross ,dat he should make use of d bridge dat he could endanger his life yle crossing d express ..he allowed him cross and immediately he crossed d first lane d guy went after him to arrest him...but d funniest part was dat d Kai officially in thinking only about d money he was going to get from d offender almost got hit by a car yle crossing....so d point is if really dey have safety of d citizens at heart..dat Kai official would have prevented dat man from commiting d offense but instead he allowed him commit it so he can arrest him and extort money from him.....dats too bad...

Justdulla:

ok lemme talk...so u talking bout other feasible option.. What happened to craftsmanship,learning a trade,skilled and unskilled labour. These are all subseta of the white collar job. If that same kid was a mechanic or vulcanizer or prolly a car wash attendant. Kai officers wont be running after him .There is a law in the land and he broke it,if what he was doing was right,he wouldnt have scampered like he dis,he put his life at risk because he knew what he was doing was wrong. An unfortunate occurence took place and this should serve as a lesson to other law breakers. We cant say we want Nigeria to change and we are not ready to change afterall we are the same Nigerians and change is expected of Everyone... We always blame our leaders for being corrupt but we are far more corrupt than they are. The common man is the major problem of Nigeria, The common man marries a wife in the case of the North 2 or 3 wifes,he copulates and gives birth to tens of offspring,he creates poverty in his household and now spreads it to his environment. Are you telling me you will see Tinubus or Buharis kids hawking gala? answer is NO. The common man basterdized the freedom in Nigeria to commit unspeakable acts he litters his environment with dirt,downpour occurs there is a flood he blames the government. He erects a structure under a high tension,Govt pulls it down he screams wickedness. Everything in Nigeria we blame the government,when are we gona start to blame our own selves for some of our careless attitude towards urgent matters? Such kid would have been in the Village farming or doing menial labour,but know he was in the city and the city killed him. Nigerians have this mentality of making it big in the city whereas there is nothing really big in the city. Government cant cater and be responsible for all our needs,its high time we accept the blame for some of our misdeed. You may see me as cold hearted,but trust me am not,am a common man,but i reason objectively,i obey the laws of the land and respect people. I have a believe that if you do or say no wrong,you would be secure from harms way to an extent. I dont blame the KAI officials,neither do I blame the poor kid that died.But simple truth is that a misadventure occured and we shouldnt be sentimental about it.. Left for me its the Animals that started destroying public properties that should be held accounatble for disturbing public peace and causing anarchy. Thank u

I wish all Nigerians can reason like the writer of this comment.

ebosed:


Humm! Later you would begin to complain to the same govt. of how you were robbed in traffic. What happens to driving through Mr. Big, Sweet Sensation, Mega Chicken, Tantalize... Etc?

May his soul rest in peace. I make 120k every 5 weeks farming (green vegetables) on a standard plot of land at Ajah. I work just between 30 to 45mins per day. I bought 2 goats from my profits. One she and he goats. Planning to buy more and expand my farming to the next plot of land.

The land on which I farm belong to someone living abroad, who has no plan yet on what to do with the land.

I am a graduate of banking and finance since 2012. I started farming 4 months ago, I wish I had started earlier.

Nice one bro, keep it up bro may God bless the work of your hand

willyo:


Must everybody run on a white collar job? I think 'No' is a befitting answer.
Is there a constitutional decree that restricts movements within states? 'No' I think is the right answer.
Since Govt. Cannot provide job for all, the all should provide means for themselves...
The resolute answer to them is hawking.
Think about our economic downstride... Would u fold ur hands and urself and family members die? U cld say 'Yes'... To me, 'No'.
Should they had used robbery and other social vices as a means to an end? I decline in strong terms...
Maybe u cld tell me sth else... Willing to listen

Is there a law against hawking and street trading on Lagos highways?

Yes

Its only a f**l that will think that government will provide work for everybody, even in advanced countries government don't. Think deep for what you can do in as much as its withing the ambit of law.

Peacefulgold:

U r very correct....but my pain is dat dis Kai officials r not actually doing dis job for d government but rather just looking for victims to enrich their pocket wit...let me give u an example..dis happened in oshodi...a pedestrian was about crossing d express wit out using d bridge and dis Kai official was just standing next to him,instead of d guy to call him back not to cross ,dat he should make use of d bridge dat he could endanger his life yle crossing d express ..he allowed him cross and immediately he crossed d first lane d guy went after him to arrest him...but d funniest part was dat d Kai officially in thinking only about d money he was going to get from d offender almost got hit by a car yle crossing....so d point is if really dey have safety of d citizens at heart..dat Kai official would have prevented dat man from commiting d offense but instead he allowed him commit it so he can arrest him and extort money from him.....dats too bad...

There is a trite in law, Ignorance is not an excuse, While I would be the last person to exonerate these badly trained govt quasi law enforcement officials, it behooves also on the citizens not to fall foul of the law.
Why would a pedestrian be so much in a hurry not using the bridge but subject his/her life to danger of getting knocked down by a moving vehicle?
Nigerians, we go to foreign countries and obey their laws (we even obey more than required sef ), but when we are in our own country, we flagrantly disobey laws.

Omoluabi16:
Wicked people..criminals who sit in high places and oppress the poor. I see street hawking as a last resort of survival,most of them are uneducated and are doing a honest work to make a living.Is it not better than armed robbery?? This same Lagos government have turned a blind eye to Agberos and the menace they cause every now and then.Because agbero dey deliver money to them. Poor hawker died, not a thing about the irresponsible KAI officials chasing a man through a highway.How these people even sleep at night is beyond me. #No justice in this world.

We should stop getting emotional over facts. Street hawking is illegal and there have been signposted in many streets and highways to that effect for many years.

Have you gone on the roads to see kids of school age who can be enrolled into any of the public schools hawking on the street, especially those cleaners of windshields? These people have incentives of immediate cash and its not about it being a last resort.....

The moment we try to rationalise the other way what has already passed, we are simply being in denial

fairheven:
in all of this trashy explanation, not a single thought for the innocent boy your officials chased to death?
and what happens to the officials that chased him to death?
obviously YOUR BRT bus is more important than the boy's life

YOU WERE THE ONLY ONE WHO SPOKE NO MIND

AM SURE NO ONE WOULD WANT TO RUN ALL DAY PURSUEING VEHICLES TO MAKE AW MUCH AT THE END OF THE DAY #800?

THAT RELEASED STATEMENT LACKS EMPATHY....AND iTS SUCH A SHAME!!

R.I.P Hustler!

We are talking about someone's life here and one heartless fellow is busy here telling us one nonsense story on how to keep lagos clean from Street trading and hawkers.[/quote]


I MEAN..JUST READTHE STATEMENT THE IDIOT RELEASED....
HEARTLESS FELLOW

Okijajuju1:
Having a logical and reasonable debate on Nairaland keeps getting tougher and tougher each day. Its like most of the Nigerians on this thread thrive in just being ignorant and the reach of their reasoning is pretty limited.

Yesterday so many people challenged the fact that there was actually a law against street trading in Lagos (and many other Nigerian State capitals). Now that the lagos state government has again reiterated that street hawking/peddling is illegal, the arguement is about if the hawkers should rather resort to being armed robbers.

Now the foolishness of this line of reasoning can be seen when looked at like this: So all unemployed struggling young persons in Nigeria are either hawkers or robbers. There is no other option to making money for the unemployed except to be an illegal street trader, A Criminal Armed robber or an illegal street begger. There is no other business one can do in this nation of over 150 million people to make money when unemployed with no money to make money... REALLY?!!!!

So to those of you on here holding on to this line of argument, this is it extent of the depth of your reasoning to making money when you are unemployed with minimal cash.


iGiveUp for the second time on this thread.. I really do.


#GodBlessNigeria&HaveMercyOnUsAll...

And have mercy on you also

Dont just hide behind the keypads of your phone and just because you know the law, and have access to the internet, you write whatever you like

How many agberoes have been arrested by KAI? Oh sorry, the arent participating in Indiscipline

I pass iyana oba everyday. KAI trucks are stationed there and they dont chase anybody. Maybe their Iyaloja has settled them but because this poor boy didnt have a family or isnt REGISTERED, he deserves a hot chase.

Looking at reality, some people are not fortunate like you to go to school, or be informed. And there is a family to feed. So your candid advice to that person who needs to eat tonight is to start learning a trade. Maybe in 6 months he will be done and by then, his landlord must have thrown him out. What will be his survival means during those periods?

Dont just lie down on your chair and type. Go out and hear people's problems. You will get a better opinion on why the stupid law against hawking should be abolished.

The law can be structured in a way whereby the hawkers pay tax to the government and are made to clean up the highways. Thats better

Thanks for your writeup sha

willyo:


Thanks a lot for your time and constructive ideas... I really appreciate, But:
So many craftsmen are jobless and don't even have a start-head due to conditions i percieve u wld undstand

The man in question cld even be one of those who may have had a craft or trade but cld meet the requirements for a start due to the nature of our ways of life and the economic situation of this country
Conducive avenues are not being put in place before the total elimination of this struggle to make ends meet from the streets

The rich doesn't even know if it hurts... Feel blessed when u're not in such situations...

Look at your leaders and u wld be disappointed

My friend see. The reality is that everyone has one or two reasons /excuses to justify his wrong doing.

Some people are into armed robbery and they will give you reason(s) for it. Some people are into prostitution and they will give you excuses to defend themselves. But the reality is that, what is bad is bad. hawking on the high way is against the law of many states.

mapet:


We should stop getting emotional over facts. Street hawking is illegal and there have been signposted in many streets and highways to that effect for many years.

Have you gone on the roads to see kids of school age who can be enrolled into any of the public schools hawking on the street, especially those cleaners of windshields? These people have incentives of immediate cash and its not about it being a last resort.....

The moment we try to rationalise the other way what has already passed, we are simply being in denial

I have a buddy who was a street hawker in the tough streets of Aba. He's a 2:1 graduate now. Now I ask what is the alternative? Street hawking was deemed 'illegal' by this government because of their crazed ambition to make lagos a mega city. Street hawking is not a criminal activity..when the government has failed to meet up to its responsibilities, of course the citizens will act otherwise.

People go on about skill acquisition and all.But where is the structure? I t doesn't have to be so difficult just to survive..we Can't absolve the Government of any blame.

Your Tinubu and Buhari live on what belong to the poor man and his kids in the first place. Otherwise free education that they proudly benefited from would have benefited the poor man too and he would have the opportunity to know and implement family planning. For instance, all the billions meant for electricity projects and sustenance are not been stolen by the poor man.

There is a law in the land and he broke it.

And there are so many "white-elephant" project till tomorrow promising job creation that will still find many kids hawking on the street when parent and no longer afford one square meal a day. The poor man could have gone back to farming if the govt. did not divert the billions meant for agriculture into their own pocket.

The poor boy does not have to be a mechanic because he may not do well at it. But sorry if the boy likes to learn welding and the good welder in their neighborhood has embarked on okada business all because he couldn't afford the cost of running and maintaining a diesel generator everyday.


Government don't have to create jobs, no. But it is the statutory responsibility of the govt. to establish and sustain job creation environment. Now who sanction the govt when it fails to do his job?

Justdulla:

ok lemme talk...so u talking bout other feasible option.. What happened to craftsmanship,learning a trade,skilled and unskilled labour. These are all subseta of the white collar job. If that same kid was a mechanic or vulcanizer or prolly a car wash attendant. Kai officers wont be running after him .There is a law in the land and he broke it,if what he was doing was right,he wouldnt have scampered like he dis,he put his life at risk because he knew what he was doing was wrong. An unfortunate occurence took place and this should serve as a lesson to other law breakers. We cant say we want Nigeria to change and we are not ready to change afterall we are the same Nigerians and change is expected of Everyone... We always blame our leaders for being corrupt but we are far more corrupt than they are. The common man is the major problem of Nigeria, The common man marries a wife in the case of the North 2 or 3 wifes,he copulates and gives birth to tens of offspring,he creates poverty in his household and now spreads it to his environment. Are you telling me you will see Tinubus or Buharis kids hawking gala? answer is NO. The common man basterdized the freedom in Nigeria to commit unspeakable acts he litters his environment with dirt,downpour occurs there is a flood he blames the government. He erects a structure under a high tension,Govt pulls it down he screams wickedness. Everything in Nigeria we blame the government,when are we gona start to blame our own selves for some of our careless attitude towards urgent matters? Such kid would have been in the Village farming or doing menial labour,but know he was in the city and the city killed him. Nigerians have this mentality of making it big in the city whereas there is nothing really big in the city. Government cant cater and be responsible for all our needs,its high time we accept the blame for some of our misdeed. You may see me as cold hearted,but trust me am not,am a common man,but i reason objectively,i obey the laws of the land and respect people. I have a believe that if you do or say no wrong,you would be secure from harms way to an extent. I dont blame the KAI officials,neither do I blame the poor kid that died.But simple truth is that a misadventure occured and we shouldnt be sentimental about it.. Left for me its the Animals that started destroying public properties that should be held accounatble for disturbing public peace and causing anarchy. Thank u