GeneralShepherd:


This argument is not only false but portrays your education in a very poor light.

Atheists do not have faith that there is no God, atheists reject the notion of a God because there is no evidence -objective evidence - that proves the existence of an all powerful, all knowing and Omnipresent being.

You do not need faith to reject a ridiculous idea, if I told I am the president of Nigeria and then fail to actually prove that I am PMB, would it be right to say that you are rejecting my claim by faith, when you expectedly dismiss my claim as utter baloney?

That is the contest your understanding can see.Thanks God bless

Seun:
One if the issues with religion is that it promotes the idea of believing something not because you have been convinced by rational arguments and objective evidence that it is true, but because you want to believe it and choose to believe it.

When beliefs are based on reason and evidence, they are very likely to be true or at least close to the truth. When they are not, they are very likely to be false and far from the truth. False beliefs cause people to make bad decisions which lead to worse outcomes for them and for society.

When most people in society base their beliefs on objective evidence and reason, their beliefs tend to converge towards a single consistent view of reality. This enables them to cooperate massively and achieve great things for all to enjoy e.g. in science. In faith based societies and institutions, differences of opinion are hard to resolve, because people dogmatically hold on to their conflicting beliefs, leading to chronic conflicts that often erupt into violence.

You are narrowing FAITH down to RELIGION alone, in which case you fail to get the actual meaning. Faith is the core/bane of everything you do and would continue to do. Your parents did have s*x with the full knowledge they were going to conceive Seun, they simply had faith cos there has been previous evidence that shows that when a man and woman met, there is a possibility of getting a child. That singular evidence is the faith. The evidence demonstration of things HOPED for. You haven't seen it but based on evidence you see around you, you hope it will happen.

Such faith is the guide of all humanity, you go to school cos you have faith, you drive, plant crops, invest money and time cos you have faith in a Future that you already preconceived in your heart, that Faith keeps you going.

Christian faith is not miles away from the above. We have a faith cos of evidence seen from God's word the Bible. We have faith cos of the awesome work we see in nature which made us believe that there is someone out there with far greater wisdom and power.

I see no reason to question this faith in Christianity cos I see the Christian faith as the answer to all human question NOW, and in the Future. What do I mean? No better source explains the history of humankind, our current state and our future, all other explanation fall short, if you have yours I would like to hear it.

I just saw a rainbow today yet again. Am waiting for science to give an explanation to that concept, am yet to see any, my point, the more you study nature and the bible the more you are left without a doubt that there is someone far more knowledgeable out there.

Finally to think about: We all know bottle is made from sand particles, but do you think it would be logical to conclude that a bottle found on a heap of sand evolved from the sand?

Seun:
One if the issues with religion is that it promotes the idea of believing something not because you have been convinced by rational arguments and objective evidence that it is true, but because you want to believe it and choose to believe it.

When beliefs are based on reason and evidence, they are very likely to be true or at least close to the truth. When they are not, they are very likely to be false and far from the truth. False beliefs cause people to make bad decisions which lead to worse outcomes for them and for society.

When most people in society base their beliefs on objective evidence and reason, their beliefs tend to converge towards a single consistent view of reality. This enables them to cooperate massively and achieve great things for all to enjoy e.g. in science. In faith based societies and institutions, differences of opinion are hard to resolve, because people dogmatically hold on to their conflicting beliefs, leading to chronic conflicts that often erupt into violence.

You are narrowing FAITH down to RELIGION alone, in which case you fail to get the actual meaning. Faith is the core/bane of everything you do and would continue to do. Your parents did not have s*x with the full knowledge they were going to conceive Seun, they simply had faith cos there has been previous evidence that shows that when a man and woman met, there is a possibility of getting a child. That singular evidence is the faith. The evidence demonstration of things HOPED for. You haven't seen it but based on evidence you see around you, you hope it will happen.

Such faith is the guide of all humanity, you go to school cos you have faith, you drive, plant crops, invest money and time cos you have faith in a Future that you already preconceived in your heart, that Faith keeps you going.

Christian faith is not miles away from the above. We have a faith cos of evidence seen from God's word the Bible. We have faith cos of the awesome work we see in nature which made us believe that there is someone out there with far greater wisdom and power.

I see no reason to question this faith in Christianity cos I see the Christian faith as the answer to all human question NOW, and in the Future. What do I mean? No better source explains the history of humankind, our current state and our future, all other explanation fall short, if you have yours I would like to hear it.

I just saw a rainbow today yet again. Am waiting for science to give an explanation to that concept, am yet to see any, my point, the more you study nature and the bible the more you are left without a doubt that there is someone far more knowledgeable out there.

Finally to think about: We all know bottle is made from sand particles, but do you think it would be logical to conclude that a bottle found on a heap of sand evolved from the sand?

Seun:
All the people killed in religious conflicts in history were killed in the name of God. The genocide of Canaan in the Bible (which probably never happened), the Christian crusades, the various Islamic jihads, radical Islamist terror attacks, etc. I've not heard about any conflict in which people were fighting and killing other people in the name of Satan.

I would be stupid to conderm you for taking your stand against religion. True religion has caused more harm than good. But I would love us to discuss something further;
1: Do you believe true atheism would make the world a better place?
2: Does atheism have an answer to what the future holds?
3: Atheism promotes evolution since there is no basis for believing in a cruel and heartless God, but does that make evolution 100% correct and unquestionable as well?
4: Would atheism guarantee a morally chaste life/future if each and every one have their own sense of right and wrong?

http://m.wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/2009724?q=atheism&p=par

I would want you to go through the above material and let's discuss further.

Seun:
One if the issues with religion is that it promotes the idea of believing something not because you have been convinced by rational arguments and objective evidence that it is true, but because you want to believe it and choose to believe it.

When beliefs are based on reason and evidence, they are very likely to be true or at least close to the truth. When they are not, they are very likely to be false and far from the truth. False beliefs cause people to make bad decisions which lead to worse outcomes for them and for society.

When most people in society base their beliefs on objective evidence and reason, their beliefs tend to converge towards a single consistent view of reality. This enables them to cooperate massively and achieve great things for all to enjoy e.g. in science. In faith based societies and institutions, differences of opinion are hard to resolve, because people dogmatically hold on to their conflicting beliefs, leading to chronic conflicts that often erupt into violence.

Seun:
You missed the number one reason for atheism: the lack of any objective evidence of the existence of any God.

Do you see why faith is good ? You just displayed faith as an atheist . Atheism is faith in the non existence of God .

Let me elucidate with few examples . Atheist define faith as belief without evidence - this is the definition they hold unto though erroneous , but hey , let's ride .

An atheist of your caliber believes

1. That life obviously arose from inorganic matter despite the mathematical impossibility . You have accepted this impossibility with the belief that there was no supernatural intervention that made this possible . You are certain this process occurred even when there is no evidence at all . Yours is not just faith , it is blind faith

2. That there is extraterrestrial life . There is no evidence whatsoever supporting this and every research admits that earth is certainly the only planet that supports life . So basically , you have a belief with lack of evidence - faith .

3. That science in the future will answer all the questions pertinent to the beginning of the universe despite its limitations . There is no evidence that humanity will live that long . Why ?

a. AI Uprising : The rise of the machines . Experts have issued prescient warnings on possible obliteration of mankind by the machines in the future . How certain are you that man will survive this uprising and still find answers to his existence using science - faith .

b. Epidemics : The spread of virulent diseases like Ebola and the number of deaths caused have proven that man could be wiped out by deadly diseases . How certain are you that cures to even idiopathic diseases will be found or more deadly epidemics will be controlled so that the search for answers to man's existence using science won't be impeded - faith .

c. Asteroid : The ball of death from space . This has the propensity to wipe out mankind in an exiguous time leaving no one to provide answers to our existence using science but somehow you are certain it won't be so - faith .

We all - theists and atheist- exhibit faith in one way or the other

GeneralShepherd:


This argument is not only false but portrays your education in a very poor light.

Atheists do not have faith that there is no God, atheists reject the notion of a God because there is no evidence -objective evidence - that proves the existence of an all powerful, all knowing and Omnipresent being.

You do not need faith to reject a ridiculous idea, if I told I am the president of Nigeria and then fail to actually prove that I am PMB, would it be right to say that you are rejecting my claim by faith, when you expectedly dismiss my claim as utter baloney?

Your certainty that there is no God is faith or the certainty that God did not create the universe even when its cause is scientifically unknown is faith . Its obvious you guys dont even understand the meaning of faith .

What caused the universe , you don't know but you are certain is not God - that's faith .

I have faith in God and I dont in other gods because I am certain God is the greatest . That rejection with certainty is the exhibition of faith .

SonOfLuicfer , no matter how your brothers in faith twist its meaning , everyone shows faith .

Evolution - microbes to man , is the exhibition of faith . Microevolution is observed while macroevolution is not observed , no one witnessed that transformation but you are certain that micro-evolution over eons of time will result to macro-evolution is faith.

Your belief that microbes - simple cells - transformed to intelligent conscious dexterous man over millions of years is in fact a giant leap of faith .

Your god wrote a book, a manual. The contents of the manual were used to determine the existence business.

The carriers of the god manual, people like you, have not presented any demonstration worthy of the right to be taken seriously. You're like the quintessential snake oil salesman.

You just dey use your mouth to say God, when in reality you're selling the story of a dead Jew from the middle east.

C: kingebukanaija

KingEbukaNaija:


Your certainty that there is no God is faith or the certainty that God did not create the universe even when its cause is scientifically unknown is faith . Its obvious you guys dont even understand the meaning of faith .

What caused the universe , you don't know but you are certain is not God - that's faith .

I have faith in God and I dont in other gods because I am certain God is the greatest . That rejection with certainty is the exhibition of faith .

Firstly, my conclusion is based on what Christians claim God is, and by that criteria, the existence of God is impossible. An all knowing God that regrets his own action is an antithesis to himself.

KingEbukaNaija:
SonOfLuicfer , no matter how your brothers in faith twist its meaning , everyone shows faith .

Evolution - microbes to man , is the exhibition of faith . Microevolution is observed while macroevolution is not observed , no one witnessed that transformation but you are certain that micro-evolution over eons of time will result to macro-evolution is faith.

Your belief that microbes - simple cells - transformed to intelligent conscious dexterous man over millions of years is in fact a giant leap of faith .

For the umpteenth no part of Science relies on faith and that includes the theory of evolution. All science theories have been evaluated through years of thorough research on the off chance a theory is proven false in the future it will be completely rejected.


While scientists may place faith in a scientific theory, their faith is based on past evidence. For example, all scientists have faith that the Law of Thermodynamics will hold true during an experiment because there is overwhelming past evidence to support this belief. This is completely different than placing faith in a religious belief, which has no supporting evidence at all.

GeneralShepherd:


Firstly, my conclusion is based on what Christians claim God is, and by that criteria, the existence of God is impossible. An all knowing God that regrets his own action is an antithesis to himself.

The atheists have defined God, God doesn't fit into their definitions,therefore God does not exist .

GeneralShepherd:
This is completely different than placing faith in a religious belief, which has no supporting evidence at all.

Can you stop the foolish talk and reason for once . What you want as evidence is clearly different from what I see as evidence , because they do not reconcile does not make my evidence invalid .

Example : I want observation of macro evolution to be the cogent irrefutable proof or evidence for the theory , you are already satisfied with whatever evolutionists have put forward , I am not . The same applies to whatever you desire as evidence for God .

Does this make sense to you ?

Weah96:
Your god wrote a book, a manual. The contents of the manual were used to determine the existence business.

The carriers of the god manual, people like you, have not presented any demonstration worthy of the right to be taken seriously. You're like the quintessential snake oil salesman.

You just dey use your mouth to say God, when in reality you're selling the story of a dead Jew from the middle east.

C: kingebukanaija

Hey bro , funny enough atheist scientists stole the idea of an eternal creator from religion .They now contended that the universe could be eternal - this was two or three years ago - with no proof at all . If its not faith , then what is it ?

You even claim nature is conscious with no evidence . You also claim that nature has no cause , with no evidence again . We are both brothers in faith !

KingEbukaNaija:


Hey bro , funny enough atheist scientists stole the idea of an eternal creator from religion .They now contended that the universe could be eternal - this was two or three years ago - with no proof at all . If its not faith , then what is it ?

You even claim nature is conscious with no evidence . You also claim that nature has no cause , with no evidence again . We are both brothers in faith !

No we're not. You're telling lies, while others are trying to solve a real problem.
Atheists have been the ones screaming "we don't know" since the beginning of time.

Weah96:


No we're not. You're telling lies, while others are trying to solve a real problem.
Atheists have been the ones screaming "we don't know" since the beginning of time.

"We dont know but its not God " - atheism .

What lies ? Do you have proof nature is conscious or have no cause , eh brother in faith

hahahaha i can't laugh, see as ebuka has finish all this atheist. seriously ebuka and winner, God is using you guys to do wonderful works, in this section.. if nt for u guys, many people would ve been unbelievers by nw. pls my fellow christains who visit this atheist thread. use it as a means of fun and passing time, but if they are succeding in convincing you from ur believe, just stop and ask ur self this questions,. why do atheist mostly target christains? why will some one like seun who rarely replied comment waste his time, prestige and effort trying to prove something he knows well that did not exist, knowing fully well that it could degrade his bussiness by infuriating religiously members who frequently visit nairaland?.. let assume u dnt like watching spider man or telemundo or u dnt believe that they exist! do u spend ur time, money and every hours of ur life talking about it or proving to people that it is fake?? a sincere answers will tell u what u possesed as a christain.

Vick4rill:
hahahaha i can't laugh, see as ebuka has finish all this atheist. seriously ebuka and winner, God is using you guys to do wonderful works, in this section.. if nt for u guys, many people would ve been unbelievers by nw. pls my fellow christains who visit this atheist thread. use it as a means of fun and passing time, but if they are succeding in convincing you from ur believe, just stop and ask ur self this questions,. why do atheist mostly target christains? why will some one like seun who rarely replied comment waste his time, prestige and effort trying to prove something he knows well that did not exist, knowing fully well that it could degrade his bussiness by infuriating religiously members who frequently visit nairaland?.. let assume u dnt like watching spider man or telemundo or u dnt believe that they exist! do u spend ur time, money and every hours of ur life talking about it or proving to people that it is fake?? a sincere answers will tell u what u possesed as a christain.

Thank you bro . We do this for the fun of it that's why the memes and picture reactions are always used whenever there are arguments against them . You know to spice things up and make people laugh .

KingEbukaNaija:



"We dont know but its not God " - atheism .

What lies ? Do you have proof nature is conscious or have no cause , eh brother in faith

The bolded is not illogical. Ignorance doesn't imply gullibility.

It's possible not to know something, and simultaneously reject elaborate scams erected to take advantage of that ignorance.

Do you know exactly what Lionel Messi ate during the course of yesterday? No. Fine.

But he didn't eat 4 cows. Right? Can we say that Messi didn't eat 4 cows all by himself yesterday? We still don't know what he ate. But certain options are ruled out.

Oladim001:
Yea i agree with you. Can logic explain how witches operate?. I dont think so.

That is the problem... Have you seen any witch before? I have you seen any witch victim before? All this talk witchcraft are superstitions nonsense that we use to justify our lack of growth and improvements in life. I don't believe in whichcraft because the notion sound very absurd

KingEbukaNaija:



"We dont know but its not God " - atheism .

What lies ? Do you have proof nature is conscious or have no cause , eh brother in faith

Do you mean your ignorance is God or god?

Weah96:


The bolded is not illogical. Ignorance doesn't imply gullibility.

It's possible not to know something, and simultaneously reject elaborate scams erected to take advantage of that ignorance.

Do you know exactly what Lionel Messi ate during the course of yesterday? No. Fine.

But he didn't eat the 4 cows. Right? Can we say that Messi didn't eat 4 cows all by himself yesterday? We still don't know what he ate. But certain options are ruled out.

This comment is really daft . I'm not surprised it's coming from you

Do you understand this statement at all ? The atheists have defined God , God does not fit into their definitions , Therefore God does not exist

You have an erroneous definition for God and since your definition is illogical God does not exist . Messi eating four Cows is definately an impossibility , very illogical to assume such - so it's apparent you rejected the existence of God because he did not fit into your irrational definition for a creator .

So let's ride with this new understanding

What did Messi eat yesterday ?

Well most argentines enjoy their native tea with scrambled eggs in the morning - it's the most likely he had the meal for breakfast .

The only plausible logical explanation for the

1. cause of nature

2. design in nature

3. Functionality of nature

is that they are handiwork of an eternal conscious intelligent creator . An ETERNAL creator caused the universe to exist or it would progress into infinite regression. Nature is designed and functional because of the intelligence behind its existence - where does this come from , from an eternal intelligent entity .

Please reason with your brain next time .

Busayorafael:


Do you mean your ignorance is God or god?

Do you mean the rejection of God's existence is you being close-minded - unreceptive of a logical information

KingEbukaNaija:


This comment is really daft . I'm not surprised it's coming from you

Do you understand this statement at all ? The atheists have defined God , God does not fit into their definitions , Therefore God does not exist

You have an erroneous definition for God and since your definition is illogical God does not exist . Messi eating four Cows is definately an impossibility , very illogical to assume such - so it's apparent you rejected the existence of God because he did not fit into your irrational definition for a creator .

So let's ride with this new understanding

What did Messi eat yesterday ?

Well most argentines enjoy their native tea with scrambled eggs in the morning - it's the most likely he had the meal for breakfast .

The only plausible logical explanation for the

1. cause of nature

2. design in nature

3. Functionality of nature

is that they are handiwork of an eternal conscious intelligent creator . An ETERNAL creator caused the universe to exist or it would progress into infinite regression. Nature is designed and functional because of the intelligence behind its existence - where does this come from , from an eternal intelligent entity .

Please reason with your brain next time .

Where did atheists define God? Do you have a link? Most atheists use the Bible definition and declare it one of the stupidest ideas to ever come from human beings.

iliyande:
Faith is part of daytoday life even the non-believers.

Faith means being sure of the things we hope for and knowing that something is real even if we do not see it.

So what's your point now sir.

Contradiction Alert!!

If you Hope for something, it means that there is a high degree of uncertainty concerning what you you're hoping for.
Whereas, if you know that something is real, it implies that you or someone else has taken the effort to verify its veracity.

So, Hoping ( uncertainty) and Knowing ( certainty) are mutually exclusive.

Omooba77:
Even the athiest too have FAITH there is no God. Faith is evidence of things hoped for and Assurance of what is expected.

Lol.

"Evidence of things HOPED for.."

Can't you spot the contradictions therein?

Seun:
One if the issues with religion is that it promotes the idea of believing something not because you have been convinced by rational arguments and objective evidence that it is true, but because you want to believe it and choose to believe it.

When beliefs are based on reason and evidence, they are very likely to be true or at least close to the truth. When they are not, they are very likely to be false and far from the truth. False beliefs cause people to make bad decisions which lead to worse outcomes for them and for society.

When most people in society base their beliefs on objective evidence and reason, their beliefs tend to converge towards a single consistent view of reality. This enables them to cooperate massively and achieve great things for all to enjoy e.g. in science. In faith based societies and institutions, differences of opinion are hard to resolve, because people dogmatically hold on to their conflicting beliefs, leading to chronic conflicts that often erupt into violence.

You are right to some extent. For true xtens though, there are basis for there faith. Christian faith has evidence for it. heb 11:1.

JMAN05:


You are right to some extent. For true xtens though, there are basis for there faith. Christian faith has evidence for it. heb 11:1.

Faith itself is the evidence, according to that verse.

abdulwastecx:


That is the problem... Have you seen any witch before? I have you seen any witch victim before? All this talk witchcraft are superstitions nonsense that we use to justify our lack of growth and improvements in life. I don't believe in whichcraft because the notion sound very absurd

Okay, forget witches. Now tell me how logic explains a man getting possessed by a Jinn.

plaetton:

Lol.

"Evidence of things HOPED for.."

Can't you spot the contradictions therein?

Ok sir,but check Hebrew 11:6

Omooba77:


Ok sir,but check Hebrew 11:6

There's no evidence that your god exists except by blind faith.

Is that not the verse says?

Weah96:


There's no evidence that your god exists except by blind faith.

Is that not the verse says?

if you believe Ogun,Sango,Oya,I wonder why you still doubt existence of Almighty God. It is a choice.