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Re: Ibos, Ikwerre And Elechi Amadi by Nobody: 3:40pm On Jun 30, 2016 |
Omo see lecture @ op your eyes don open.... |
Re: Ibos, Ikwerre And Elechi Amadi by Thewrath(m): 3:40pm On Jun 30, 2016 |
chrisxxx:Just listen to yourself!! Did you know if an mbaise person from IMO state should speak his native dialect mbaise which is different from the central Igbo language,an average anambra man will not understand? Does that make anambrarians less Igbo? Or unigbo? 11 Likes |
Re: Ibos, Ikwerre And Elechi Amadi by chrisxxx(m): 3:43pm On Jun 30, 2016 |
Abagworo:In the interview with President, Ohanaeze Ndigbo, Ralph Uwechue, published in the Daily Sun March 10, the President was asked what efforts he was making to unite Igbo in Rivers and Delta states, he said: “First of all, it should be understood that these factions who now deny the fact they are Igbo did so only after the civil war; take for instance the Ikwerre people… fully identified with us during the pre-civil war era but because the Igbo lost the civil war, a kind of stigma was smeared on them making a lot of people to start adjusting their names to sound less Igbo…”. This statement is misleading and not correct. First of all, Ikwerre is not Igbo. We have made this clear even before the civil war and that was why some Igbo accused Ikwerre of sabotage during the war. Second, in all efforts by the minorities in the former Eastern region to agitate for their own political, social and economic recognition and liberty in the Eastern region and Nigeria at large, Ikwerre participated fully: hence, the late Chief E. J. A. Oriji and others represented Ikwerre before and during most of the conferences set up to address the fears of the minority ethnic groups in Nigeria. Third, in May 1963, Ikwerre people formed the Ogbakor Ikwerre Convention to state that Ikwerre is a distinct ethnic group from any others in Nigeria. Fourth, in the 1964/65 elections into the Federal House of Representatives, National Council of Nigeria and the Camerouns (NCNC) nominated an Igbo man named Mr. Eluguronu to represent Ikwerre in the House. Ikwerre rejected it and fielded young Nwobidike Nwanodi as an independent candidate and he won. Fifth, Ikwerre’s participation in all the movements for the creation of COR and later Rivers States clearly shows Ikwerre’s rejection of been Igbo. Let the point be made that right from about the 16th century, the Igbo has been in touch with Ikwerre (through slave trade, Arochuku activities, goods trading, hiring of labour for farm work, marriages and politics) and had always wanted to dominate, colonise and take over Ikwerre at all cost and by all means possible. This is natural especially where the dominated people are better endowed than the colonising power, coupled with the ever tendency of a bigger group to swallow a smaller one and whenever the latter refuses, the former resorts to cheap propaganda. That is exactly what Chief Uwechue and Ohanaeze Ndigbo are bent on doing to Ikwerre. In this unholy enterprise, they appear confused: for example, while some of them claim that Ikwerre sabotaged the Biafra project, Uwechue has said that Ikwerre did not. Truly, Ikwerre did not, just like every other minority ethnic group in the former Eastern region. How could we when the Igbo were in absolute control of the region? So, we fought for Biafra. When another colonising super power (Nigerian forces) arrived, Ikwerre had no option than to surrender and cooperate with them. Hence, Ikwerre actually fought the war on and for both sides. After the war, some of the ill activities of the Igbo in Ikwerre were corrected. In the case of names, the Igbo first changed the original Ikwerre names into Igbo names in an attempt to force Ikwerre to become Igbo. So at the end of the war, some Ikwerre decided to assert their original names; hence, Igirita was changed to Igwuruta, Isoba was changed to Choba, Amaweke was changed to Rumuokwuta, etc. Even individuals suffered the same humiliation when their names were forcefully changed from Ovunda to Obinna for example. Even the original name of the Ikwerre ethnic group, which is Iwheruoha was changed to Ikwerre by the Igbo. Some names have been retained (like my surname) to reflect part of the Ikwerre colonial journey, just like a Yoruba Nigerian bearing the name Matthew. Does this make the Yoruba man an English man? No! On a more serious note, if the Igbo insists that Ikwerre is Igbo, they should provide concrete sociological and historical evidences to prove their case beyond the whimsical factors of appearance, language and name, which no longer can correctly and truly define a people in today’s world. 5 Likes |
Re: Ibos, Ikwerre And Elechi Amadi by naijacampu(m): 3:45pm On Jun 30, 2016 |
You guys have time to argue with a person that don't know the difference between language and dialect. The amount of hate towards ndigbo in them is nothing to speak of. You need to see them boasting on how they'll finish Igbo people. I am Igbo, it flows in my blood. I don't even have time for bunch of lazy bones that blame others for their failure, they have sold out their landed properties and used the money on booze and women. 17 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Ibos, Ikwerre And Elechi Amadi by Ariani: 3:51pm On Jun 30, 2016 |
Abagworo: Your Efik/ Ibibio, Isoko/ Urhobo, Esan/ Bini, comparison to the Igbo/Ikwerre situation is flawed, and I had explained this time and again to you, yet you won't drop it. At no time did the colonials identify Isoko and Urhobo as being one stock, the Isokos emphasized on their uniqueness from the word go, to the British, they( Isoko) were addressed as Igaboh by the British, and the Urhobos as Sobo, there was never a time the Sobo and Igaboh were recognized as same people by the colonials, rather they were recognized as related people. The same applies to Efik and Ibibio, Esan and Bini, these people emphasized their distinctiveness from each other from the very beginning. This is not same with Ikwerre. Ikwerre at no time emphasized their distinctiveness to the colonials from other Igbo tribes like ndoki and Asa, they were called Ikwerre-Ibo, just as the Ndoki were called Ndoki- Ibo, Asa-Igbo, Ngwa-Ibo, the term "Ibo" was a generic term for all Igbo speaking. The appropriate example to the Igbo / Ikwerre issue, will be Urhobo/ Okpe issue or Ogoni/ Eleme issue. Ikwerre can be what ever they want to be today, but they must not tamper with the past. They must accept that their Ikwerre ethnic nationality has it's root in the civil war, they must accept that there was a time they voluntarily went as Ibo like the Rest of Ibo speaking people, and that this identity wasn't forced on them anymore than it was forced on the Ezza man. They must stop this their lies against Ndiigbo, like the such this OP is propagating here. Ossai is an Igbo name answered even by Nsukka people in Enugu state, Obi is in no way related to Ovie, Obi is an Igbo word, Osakwe is an Igbo name even found in Igbo hinterlands in Idemili/ Anaocha/ Njikoka areas of Anambra. It's an abridged version of the name Olisakwe. 27 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: Ibos, Ikwerre And Elechi Amadi by EteEdoho: 3:53pm On Jun 30, 2016 |
Am neither Igbo nor Ikwerre,but i think the problem of Ikwerre's is that they don't know the difference between LANGUAGE & DIALECT (no insult meant please). During my ND days in Nekede,i av' lots of Igbo friends,from different parts of Igboland. Chima an Anambra guy would say gote while Austin an Imo guy would say zuta.i.e "buy". Does that make Anambra an ethnic group with their own language,as op is trying to tell us?. 27 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: Ibos, Ikwerre And Elechi Amadi by OjukwuWarBird: 3:57pm On Jun 30, 2016 |
Ariani: Can you see what Abagworo just typed which you quoted " Ikwerres are CrossRiver Migrants." Abagworo. Now it is no longer Bini but CrossRiver. These people are confused 3 Likes |
Re: Ibos, Ikwerre And Elechi Amadi by Ariani: 4:11pm On Jun 30, 2016 |
OjukwuWarBird: No. He has a point. It is believed by some that the current Igbos in parts of Imo and Abia once inhabited the current Cross River area, but were gradually pushed into their current area by the current occupants of the Cross Rivers area, he(Abagworo) was probably insinuating that Ikwerre ancestors were part of that great Igbo cross riverian migration, along side their "Isoma" neighbors. Atleast that's what I think he meant. 1 Like |
Re: Ibos, Ikwerre And Elechi Amadi by Nobody: 4:28pm On Jun 30, 2016 |
Ikwerre people migrated from Northern Ireland. Their cousins can be found along the straight of the Bamudas and Cape De Verde. On arriving Nigeria, they stole our names, language and culture. The evidence is clear. 16 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Ibos, Ikwerre And Elechi Amadi by PhilemonObende: 4:31pm On Jun 30, 2016 |
chrisxxx: Now let me prove you are a yoruba man- 1.) Can you show us any document where the word 'rumu' was used pre-67. 2.) There should be traces of people bearing bini names if we agree that you have bini ancestry. Even slaves taken from Igboland, yoruba and Efik, 500 years ago still have remnant of their culture in the Americas. Iboe landing is still talked about in the US, Sango is still talked about in Brazil, there is a school called Calabar in Jamaica. Where is your bini legacy. 3.) When you hear people shouting- 'Biafra is dead'. They are usually the ones afraid of re-uniting with their Oduduwa kiths in benin republic.No sane NDeltan prefers to live wretechedly under fulani just to destroy a Biafra that may not even involve him in a billion years. Only yorubas can do such. 12 Likes |
Re: Ibos, Ikwerre And Elechi Amadi by Nobody: 4:32pm On Jun 30, 2016 |
mekuzi09:words of an unwise man. See how the Igbos reason? |
Re: Ibos, Ikwerre And Elechi Amadi by Nobody: 4:33pm On Jun 30, 2016 |
We ikwerres aren't Igbos simple like ABC. Pronto 3 Likes |
Re: Ibos, Ikwerre And Elechi Amadi by Nobody: 4:33pm On Jun 30, 2016 |
Bigmillz: Na wetin. You no go allow me talk again? which be your own? 1 Like |
Re: Ibos, Ikwerre And Elechi Amadi by PhilemonObende: 4:34pm On Jun 30, 2016 |
zendy: yoruba definition of liberation- I'm ready to stay in nigeria lose 50% resource control and sacrifice all my resources to the abookiez so that there will be 'Sunset in Biafra". 2 Likes |
Re: Ibos, Ikwerre And Elechi Amadi by Nobody: 4:36pm On Jun 30, 2016 |
Bigmillz:Who cares 10 Likes |
Re: Ibos, Ikwerre And Elechi Amadi by sharonbaron(m): 4:37pm On Jun 30, 2016 |
We have heard this time without number why singing it again and again even a 3 year old child knows that ikwerres are not igbo that you share the same name with me dosent make you my brother that you speak igbo as a second language just as English is my second language doesn't make me American or British i have been with them and have heard many of them talk and they do not sound igbo please let's stop this ikwerre is igbo or not madness majority infact all of them don't admit they are igbo 5 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Ibos, Ikwerre And Elechi Amadi by joeprince23(m): 4:40pm On Jun 30, 2016 |
Abagworo:we are only trying to educate the poor kid,i am in my thirties and i was born,bread,schooled and presently working in rivers,i am also from rivers, and believe me this useless discussions only came about because in the past people believed that igbos lost the civil war. 3 Likes |
Re: Ibos, Ikwerre And Elechi Amadi by Nobody: 4:45pm On Jun 30, 2016 |
sharonbaron: My friend shut up. Do you understand Igbo. Do you know the difference between dialect and a complete language. If I speak my Ebonyi dialect, most Igbos will find it hard to comprehend. Nobody is denying the fact that Ikwerre is a separate ethnic group. But twisting history, as the op is doing, is gross injustice. You're neither from Igbo or Ikwerre, so don't just come in. 7 Likes |
Re: Ibos, Ikwerre And Elechi Amadi by Abagworo(m): 4:48pm On Jun 30, 2016 |
OjukwuWarBird: I never wrote authoritatively on that but based on direct knowledge obtained from a source it was early movement of Arochukwu that brought Ikwerre down South to Etche from where the spread started. So the migration was from Cross River down not from Benin as falsely recently declared. |
Re: Ibos, Ikwerre And Elechi Amadi by sharonbaron(m): 4:50pm On Jun 30, 2016 |
mekuzi09:You should be the one to shut up if a person dosent want to be associated with something who are you to force him 2 Likes |
Re: Ibos, Ikwerre And Elechi Amadi by sharonbaron(m): 4:51pm On Jun 30, 2016 |
mekuzi09:Negodu onye na asi na ma agbughi onye igbo have i replied your last statement 1 Like |
Re: Ibos, Ikwerre And Elechi Amadi by Nobody: 4:55pm On Jun 30, 2016 |
sharonbaron:Liston up avo'nshi, nobody is forcing Igbo on Ikwerre. Get my point bozo head, we are not against Ikwerre being a separate ethnic group, but we abhor deliberate twisting of history and lies to suit their claims.... why am I even wasting my time, its clear you didn't go through the trash the op presented. 6 Likes |
Re: Ibos, Ikwerre And Elechi Amadi by Nobody: 5:00pm On Jun 30, 2016 |
sharonbaron:So sorry. Mistake identity. Thinking you're one of them brown roof nigas. 1 Like |
Re: Ibos, Ikwerre And Elechi Amadi by sharonbaron(m): 5:00pm On Jun 30, 2016 |
mekuzi09:You see the problem with you instead of countering what i said you resorted to insults kaawo ihe na eme gi agbaro aka 1 Like |
Re: Ibos, Ikwerre And Elechi Amadi by baba11(m): 5:22pm On Jun 30, 2016 |
jmoore:Is ikwerre not in Rivers state?i am thinking that is where Rotimi Amaechi comes from! |
Re: Ibos, Ikwerre And Elechi Amadi by JahJaa(m): 5:25pm On Jun 30, 2016 |
Can you guys for ones stop this ikwere is igbo or igbo is ikwere nonsence ? They dont feel like igbos, they dont wana be called igbos, they dont like to be terms igbos just respect that even some Anioma guys dont wana be called igbos so its better we let them be. They not being igbo wunt change anything about igbos and vice versa. So we better let them be. Even if they created history to siut them that shouldnt bother us cause we are not even sure about our own history. So please can we for ones just stop all these its making matters worst, it doesnt stop both parties from living in Peace etc. #Igbo_kwenu #Ikwere_ekenem_unu #Anioma_ekenem_unu before ethnic difference we are all humans, we are all about surviving this hard world. You guys should stop, am igbo and proud and therefore i dont think i should bother or force an ikwere to feel like me when indeed he is of another ethnic that speaks a language that i kinda partly understands. So my people Quit being a pain in the side 5 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Ibos, Ikwerre And Elechi Amadi by jmoore(m): 5:33pm On Jun 30, 2016 |
baba11:Who is saying that Ikwerre is not in Rivers State? Indigenous Igbos are not only found in South eastern states. |
Re: Ibos, Ikwerre And Elechi Amadi by uckennety(m): 5:37pm On Jun 30, 2016 |
Ariani:Isoma is not insult just like A ngwa man calls anyone dt is not ngwa ohuhu is also aw d call anyone not ikwerre isoma!even if ur hausa you are isoma |
Re: Ibos, Ikwerre And Elechi Amadi by Nobody: 5:48pm On Jun 30, 2016 |
Bigmillz: But do you agree that you are Igbo-speaking? You don't just claim We are not Igbo, without solid proofs. Anyone can claim to be this or not that. Language, culture and religion keeps pointing to the fact that you are Igbo. And you just look like a little boy lying to his mother. All available evidence says you are Igbo. 5 Likes |
Re: Ibos, Ikwerre And Elechi Amadi by SlayerSupreme: 5:48pm On Jun 30, 2016 |
Chrisxxx answer this questions. Bigmillz help your brother. Tell us the - (1) Bini words in your language. (2) Bini culture in your culture. (3) Bini religion in your religion. (4) Bini dress in your attire. (5) Bini physical appearance in your appearance. (6) Bini names in your names. (7) Bini things in your things. |
Re: Ibos, Ikwerre And Elechi Amadi by Ariani: 5:53pm On Jun 30, 2016 |
uckennety: I know what Isoma means. And no! To the Ikwerre, Isoma is anyone that speaks Igbo dialect, that they are sure is not Ikwerre dialect. Ikwerres don't call kalabaris , Okrikas, Ogonis Isoma, only the Igbos. No, the Ngwa doesn't call any non Ngwa ohuhu. The person must be a non Ngwa and also Igbo speaking to qualify to be called Ohuhu. Ngwas don't call their Annang neighbors Ohuhu, they call them "Mmoghu", because they know that they speak a language that is not only non Ngwa, but also non intelligible to Ngwa. Ikwerres don't call Hausa Isoma, only the Igbos. 6 Likes |
Re: Ibos, Ikwerre And Elechi Amadi by arantess: 6:03pm On Jun 30, 2016 |
Ariani:There is also adelabu crescent in mile 1 diobu |
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