foolinlove:


Correct. Both genders suffer under patriarchy, but women more so.

Feminism is good for both genders, because it removes gender stereotypes.

If your problem is the stereotyping then I don't think what you are asking for is possible. What you are asking for is like saying we should totally disregard the existence of the male and female gender and treat everybody like we are all men or like we are all women. Do you know the implication of what you are saying?

Ontarget:

If your problem is the stereotyping then I don't think what you are asking for possible. What you are asking for is like saying we should disregard the existence of the male and female gender and treat everybody like we are all men. Do you know the implication of what you are saying?

I'm saying treat everybody as humans, not "men".

Disgard stereotypes. What is the harm in that?

foolinlove:


I'm saying treat everybody as humans, not "men".

Disgard stereotypes. What is the harm in that?

Of course EVERYBODY is treated like humans. BUT Since we have different sexes with different nature and build we can't just handle women the same way we handle men. Trust me you will never like the outcome. Men and women are not exactly the same so each gender MUST be treated in a way that suits their nature and build. Saying men and women must be treated EXACTLY the same way as men is like using a spoon for a hammer because they are metals and have similar shapes.

Ontarget:

Of course EVERYBODY is treated like humans. BUT Since we have different sexes with different nature and build we can't just handle women the same way we handle men. Trust me you will never like the outcome. Men are women are not exactly the same so each gender MUST be treated in a way that suits their nature and build. Saying men and women must be treated EXACTLY the same way as men is like using a spoon for a hammer because they are metals and have similar shapes.

The only difference between men and women is physical.

You do not believe in respect for women, because you think men are superior to women.

Good for you. I feel sorry for your daughters. They will be treated in exactly the way you have treated me, and it's only women like me that will stand up for them.

As an aside: I love my independence from a man. My life is going well.

There is no need to patronise me and tell me "trust me, you won't like the outcome". I already have benefited from feminism. In my studies and ability to work and maintain independence.

foolinlove:


I live by my feminist principles.

If you have a problem with feminism, you obviously have some problem with seeing women as humans.

Since u speak for urslef. Please allow others to speak for themselves

chigoizie7:


Since u speak for urslef. Please allow others to speak for themselves

I do. I have a logical arguement. You just do not like it and refuse to accept that women are people that are not in any way inferior to men.

This topic reminds me about what happened on Thursday when we went for my Corp member cds group outing to weed the community roundabout. When it was time to clear grass, the boys were pushed forward while they stood outside the roundabout observing. But when the time came to wash hands, see how they pushed themselves to the front. Funny enough, they outnumbered us 4:1. Just shook my head and said see gender inequality. Ladies do have it easy in life to be truthful

foolinlove:


The only difference between men and women is physical.

You do not believe in respect for women, because you think men are superior to women.

Good for you. I feel sorry for your daughters. They will be treated in exactly the way you have treated me, and it's only women like me that will stand up for them.

As an aside: I love my independence from a man. My life is going well.

There is no need to patronise me and tell me "trust me, you won't like the outcome". I already have benefited from feminism. In my studies and ability to work and maintain independence.

The difference between men and women is beyond physical. The physical difference is only the most noticeable. Since men have a physical advantage over women they will naturally use it against women in the same way a man will also use it against his fellow man. We are living in a competitive world so this is normal. Besides, I never said that I don't believe in respect for women as you put up there.

I am glad you are an independent woman and since you are advocating for "equality" I hope you can take up responsibilities as a man too. I hope when a broke guy approaches you for romance you wouldn't dismiss him on the grounds of him being broke rather than accepting and spending on him like men do for women. I do hope

Ontarget:

The difference between men and women is beyond physical. The physical difference is only the most noticeable. Since men have a physical advantage over women they will naturally use it against women in the same way a man will also use it against his fellow man. We are living in a competitive world so this is normal. Besides, I never said that I don't believe in respect for women as you put up there.

I am glad you are an independent woman and since you are advocating for "equality" I hope you can take up responsibilities as a man too. I hope when a broke guy approaches you for romance you wouldn't dismiss him on the grounds of him being broke rather than accepting and spending on him like men do for women. I do hope

Of course. I have supported a couple of boyfriends financially - I can sympathise with the regret felt by men who have done the same for women.

I take care of all my responsibilities - which ones are man responsibilities?

Also, physical dominance is no reason to actually use it. Just because you can beat a woman down doesnt mean women are inferior to men at all.

Besides that, it is untrue. Not all men are physically dominant

You may like to consider that Rhonda Rousey could probably beat down most men. You'd be surprised how physically strong women actually are as they work on farms and things like that.

foolinlove:


Of course. I have supported a couple of boyfriends financially - I can sympathise with the regret felt by men who have done the same for women.

I take care of all my responsibilities - which ones are man responsibilities?

Also, physical dominance is no reason to actually use it. Just because you can beat a woman down doesnt mean women are inferior to men at all.

Besides that, it is untrue. Not all men are physically dominant

You may like to consider that Rhonda Rousey could probably beat down most men. You'd be surprised how physically strong women actually are as they work on farms and things like that.

Honestly I don't really know what you want because what you are asking for has already been giving to the female folks. You already mentioned that you have already benefited from feminism for being able to work have your independence. This is the same with where I am too. Women are living extremely large and comfortable. So what are we talking about?

Ontarget:

Honestly I don't really know what you want because what you are asking for has already been giving to the female folks. You already mentioned that you have already benefited from feminism for being able to work have your independence. This is the same with where I am too. Women are living extremely large and comfortable. So what are we talking about?

Women being shamed and demeaned and treated as inferior to men. Still having to fight to be heard. Being paid less in the same job a man has. Being shamed for what they wear. For being blamed for being raped. And so on.

Attitudes is what I'm complaining about.

foolinlove:


Women being shamed and demeaned and treated as inferior to men. Still having to fight to be heard. Being paid less in the same job a man has. Being shamed for what they wear. For being blamed for being raped. And so on.

Attitudes is what I'm complaining about.

Are men not mistreated too? Or you think women are the only ones at the receiving end?. If you wanna fight kindly do so for the whole of humanity and strip off that "feminist" tag on yourself cos its meaningless and smells of gender selfishness

Ontarget:

Are men not mistreated too? Or you think women are the only ones at the receiving end?. If you wanna fight kindly do so for the whole of humanity and strip off that "feminist" tag on yourself cos its meaningless and smells of gender selfishness

Feminism is named for the people who started the movement. It does not seek to makewomen more powerful than men.

Females are on the receiving end of sexism day after day.

Do some reading.

Sigh.

foolinlove:


Feminism is named for the people who started the movement. It does not seek to makewomen more powerful than men.

Females are on the receiving end of sexism day after day.

Do some reading.

Sigh.

Where I stay women are enjoying themselves. Same with many places worldwide. Maybe you should move your feminist campaign to a place like Saudi Arabia which is one of the places where women are truly suppressed due to their religious beliefs. You are fighting in the wrong location where women are already enjoying themselves.

Ontarget:

Where I stay women are enjoying themselves. Same with many places worldwide. Maybe you should move your feminist campaign to a place like Saudi Arabia which is one of the places where women are truly suppressed due to their religious beliefs. You are fighting in the wrong location where women are already enjoying themselves.

Except when guys offer advice and judge their entire personality based on clothing alone. That happens even in America.

foolinlove:


I live by my feminist principles.

If you have a problem with feminism, you obviously have some problem with seeing women as humans.

am a social scientist.. and can authoritatively tell you that feminism is a farce.. truth told. men are at the mercies of women. for the average man. is either his mum, sister. girlfriend or wife is exploiting him. so men are the folk that should be crying the gender inequality blue murder

gold360:
am a social scientist.. and can authoritatively tell you that feminism is a farce.. truth told. men are at the mercies of women. for the average man. is either his mum, sister. girlfriend or wife is exploiting him. so men are the folk that should be crying the gender inequality blue murder

So be a feminist. That should solve your male slavery myth by assigning rights and responsibilities in equal portion to women.

foolinlove:


Except when guys offer advice and judge their entire personality based on clothing alone. That happens even in America.

Are women not guilty of the same thing too? Same way women judge guys who sag and tatto their entire bodies and walk around shirtless. So what is your point?

Ontarget:

Are women not guilty of the same thing too? Same way women judge guys who sag and tatto their entire bodies and walk around shirtless. So what is your point?

Everyone is guilty of having different tastes in clothing. But only women are judged entirely on what they wear.

Man goes topless - hot weather.

Woman shows cleavage - slvt, easy girl who loves sex, sex object, attention seeker etc.

foolinlove:


Everyone is guilty of having different tastes in clothing. But only women are judged entirely on what they wear.

Man goes topless - hot weather.

Woman shows cleavage - slvt, easy girl who loves sex, sex object, attention seeker etc.

This your so-called feminist parade is another name for selfishnes. I want to ask you

Will you place a pregnant woman on night shift - equal opportunity ba?

Will you open the car door for man to get in? Or will you pull out a seat for a man to sit when you at a rrestaurant or a sit out? - equal treatment na.

Will you send a woman to work in the query or a parking plan where they lift cement bags, or will send wwomen to fight boko haram instead of men - equal job oopportunity na.

Will you send a woman to break Usain Bolts world record ( no woman can because they are not strong or fast enough)

Will you send a woman to do a man's job?

It's like you don't know your place.

I won't be surprised if this feminist idea was instigated by the Devil, cos right from creation woman and men were NEVER created the same way, neither did God give women and men EQUAL relevance.

You want equality simply go for sex change, cos a woman can never be a man.

Note: am not ssaying a man is more important than a woman, No. They just can't be equals.

pryme:


This your so-called feminist parade is another name for selfishnes. I want to ask you

Will you place a pregnant woman on night shift - equal opportunity ba?

Will you open the car door for man to get in? Or will you pull out a seat for a man to sit when you at a rrestaurant or a sit out? - equal treatment na.

Will you send a woman to work in the query or a parking plan where they lift cement bags, or will send wwomen to fight boko haram instead of men - equal job oopportunity na.

Will you send a woman to break Usain Bolts world record ( no woman can because they are not strong or fast enough)

Will you send a woman to do a man's job?

It's like you don't know your place.

I won't be surprised if this feminist idea was instigated by the Devil, cos right from creation woman and men were NEVER created the same way, neither did God give women and men EQUAL relevance.

You want equality simply go for sex change, cos a woman can never be a man.

Note: am not ssaying a man is more important than a woman, No. They just can't be equals.

I have addressed your points in previous posts.

Why is wanting women to be treated as a human selfish?

You label me, because I am a woman.

Why are you so afraid of equality?

foolinlove:


Everyone is guilty of having different tastes in clothing. But only women are judged entirely on what they wear.

Man goes topless - hot weather.

Woman shows cleavage - slvt, easy girl who loves sex, sex object, attention seeker etc.

Just laughing at you. Isn't it the same way ladies call men dogs when they express their sexual desires. And also the same way ladies say men are a bunch of cheats. And also the same way ladies say men are dumb after fleecing his money cos he was caring to overspend on them. And also the same way ladies insult and discriminate broke guys who woo them.

My dear, you really have no case to present.

Ontarget:

Just laughing at you. Isn't it the same way ladies call men dogs when they express their sexual desires. And also the same way ladies say men are a bunch of cheats. And also the same way ladies say men are dumb after fleecing his money cos he was caring to overspend on them. And also the same way ladies insult and discriminate broke guys who woo them.

My dear, you really have no case to present.

Those women, like those men, are a product of patriarchy.

The idea that men are better and more deserving of power than women.

Remove that ideology, women won't make you feel so silly.

They won't depend on you financially.

You will learn how to make sexual advances appropriately and women will respond better to your sexual advances.

You will mutually respect one another so cheating will be reduced.

foolinlove:


Those women, like those men, are a product of patriarchy.

The idea that men are better and more deserving of power than women.

Remove that ideology, women won't make you feel so silly.

They won't depend on you financially.

You will learn how to make sexual advances appropriately and women will respond better to your sexual advances.

You will mutually respect one another so cheating will be reduced.

Like I earlier, you have absolutely no case to present. Have you wondered why you are the only female here carrying the matter on your head? Because other females are comfortable and enjoying themselves somewhere that they have no time and no reason to whine about a non issue.

There are many men out who treat women extremely well. So stop sounding like every man on the planet is oppressing women. Fish out those in particular who oppress women and also men too, and not just women, and then preach to them directly.

So you want to live in a world where EVERY single man on the planet will treat EVERY woman equally and with respect? Hahaha. And you think thats possible? Its just like dreaming of an absolutely crime free world. Good luck with that.

Ontarget:

Like I earlier, you have absolutely no case to present. Have you wondered why you are the only female here carrying the matter on your head? Because other females are comfortable and enjoying themselves somewhere that they have no time and no reason to whine about a non issue.

There are many men out who treat women extremely well. So stop sounding like every man on the planet is oppressing women. Fish out those in particular who oppress women and also men too, and not just women, and then preach to them directly.

So you want to live in a world where EVERY single man on the planet will treat EVERY woman equally and with respect? Hahaha. And you think thats possible? Its just like dreaming of an absolutely crime free world. Good luck with that.

It's because women fear men disliking them and havent the same level of education I do.

I don't fear men disliking me.

You confuse men with patriarchy. Women feed into the patriarchy as well. It is a societal structure, not a gender war.

Educate yourself. Feminism is about everyone being treated with respect.

Just because bad things happen, doesn't mean we have to accept the status quo. Just because perfection can't be achieved, doesn't mean we don't aim for it.

If you don't want women to have rights, fine. But I'll still keep fighting. Maybe your daughters will thank people like me.

foolinlove:


It's because women fear men disliking them and havent the same level of education I do.

I don't fear men disliking me.

You confuse men with patriarchy. Women feed into the patriarchy as well. It is a societal structure, not a gender war.

Educate yourself. Feminism is about everyone being treated with respect.

Just because bad things happen, doesn't mean we have to accept the status quo. Just because perfection can't be achieved, doesn't mean we don't aim for it.

If you don't want women to have rights, fine. But I'll still keep fighting. Maybe your daughters will thank people like me.

The first part in bold, a lot of ladies here are very educated and bold so spare me that talk. It doesn't explain why you are alone here fighting for nothing.

The second part in bold, where did I state I do not want women to have rights? Please I NEVER stated at any point that I don't want women to have rights. Women already HAVE equal rights with men. They are not lacking anything in many societies. I will keep repeating that you are fighting an empty and purposeless fight. Are women treated like animals? ABSOLUTELY NOT!!! So what are you complaining about? I still haven't figured out your objective here. My dear, reserve your energy for a more meaningful fight. The one you are currently engaged in is pointless.

Ontarget:

The first part in bold, a lot of ladies here are very educated and bold so spare me that talk. It doesn't explain why you are alone here fighting for nothing.

The second part in bold, where did I state I do not want women to have rights? Please I NEVER stated at any point that I don't want women to have rights. Women already HAVE equal rights with men. They are not lacking anything in many societies. I will keep repeating that you are fighting an empty and purposeless fight. Are women treated like animals? ABSOLUTELY NOT!!! So what are you complaining about? I still haven't figured out your objective here. My dear, reserve your energy for a more meaningful fight. The one you are currently engaged in is pointless.

So why is it that women are judged as a whole gender and men are judged on their individual attributes?

Because women do not have equality. Not socially.

Plenty of womem are treated as second class to this day. Being shamed for the way they behave, but the dame behaviour in men is rewarded.

This fight is pointless to you because you don't see any value in it. It isn't pointless to me.

But you assume your thoughts are more important than mine. Because you're a man.

You say that I'm alone... well, no. Plenty of women think the same way I do. Just not on this forum.

foolinlove:


So why is it that women are judged as a whole gender and men are judged on their individual attributes?

Because women do not have equality. Not socially.

Plenty of womem are treated as second class to this day. Being shamed for the way they behave, but the dame behaviour in men is rewarded.

This fight is pointless to you because you don't see any value in it. It isn't pointless to me.

But you assume your thoughts are more important than mine. Because you're a man.

You say that I'm alone... well, no. Plenty of women think the same way I do. Just not on this forum.

And what makes you think men are not judged as a whole gender?
What also makes you think men are not treated as second class citizens too?
Men go through all those issues you put up there but all you see is WOMEN, WOMEN, WOMEN. I told you before that you are being gender selfish in the name of feminism.

The women you are mentioning are men's wifes, sisters and girlfriends. How do you expect men to mistreat their female relatives and soulmates and feel comfortable about it? Does that make sense to you? Men struggle to care for and protect their female sisters and soulmates and you are complaining of women being treated bad rather than being grateful for the loads of support ladies have gotten from men. If men are pulled out from the earth do you think women will treat themselves justly? I bet women will oppress themselves worse than men do. Some women are also responsible for denying their fellow women their rights so please your case is null and void.

Ontarget:

And what makes you think men are not judged as a whole gender?
What also makes you think men are not treated as second class citizens too?
Men go through all those issues you put up there but all you see is WOMEN, WOMEN, WOMEN. I told you before that you are being gender selfish in the name of feminism.

The women you are mentioning are men's wifes, sisters and girlfriends. How do you expect men to mistreat their female relatives and soulmates and feel comfortable about it? Does that make sense to you? Men struggle to care for and protect their female sisters and soulmates and you are complaining of women being treated bad rather than being grateful for the loads of support ladies have gotten from men. If men are pulled out from the earth do you think women will treat themselves justly? I bet women will oppress themselves worse than men do. Some women are also responsible for denying their fellow women their rights so please your case is null and void.

Women are equally guilty of reinforcing patriarchy.

And yes, I find it interesting that men feel the need to "protect" "their" women, but are more than happy to judge women who aren't related to them. Another product of illogical patriarchy.

foolinlove:


Women are equally guilty of reinforcing patriarchy.

And yes, I find it interesting that men feel the need to "protect" "their" women, but are more than happy to judge women who aren't related to them. Another product of illogical patriarchy.

Don't women judge men who are not related to them too? Please stop this gender selfishness. You just care about women getting respect from men while women give none to men. DAMN IT!!!

Ontarget:

Don't women judge men who are not related to them too? Please stop this gender selfishness. You just care about women getting respect from men while women give none to men. DAMN IT!!!

You have just generalised women again.

Your hypocrisy astounds me.

Amd calling me selfish over and over again.

You are boring me with your illogica rants.

foolinlove:


You have just generalised women again.

Your hypocrisy astounds me.

Amd calling me selfish over and over again.

You are boring me with your illogica rants.

When you said men "judge" women is that not generalization? I simply used your own language.