tit:
the north should cease the electricity.
if i am a boy from there, i will go and switch off the electric till they pay us.

somegirl1:

You clearly do not appreciate the damage caused over the years to the environment by oil extraction activities.
The riverine people, especially, have lost their main source of livelihood and income -fishing.
Could the same be said about indigenes of Taraba and Niger states?
Besides as someone have already pointed out, electricity is paid for by individual households. Apples and oranges.

VulgarVulvas:


Go here https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_power_stations_in_Nigeria and see where all your power plants are and what they are powered by.

Out of 27 currently operational power plants in Nigeria only 4 are hydro stations . The rest are powered by Niger Delta gas.

Stop being an ingrate .

Without Niger delta gas you will be living in the Victorian era powered by candles .

VulgarVulvas:


Keep your damn kanji damn for yourselves.

If you like stop supplying electricity to ND and SE.

It's not as if the electricity is provided free to us.

We have a sea of natural gas to easily generate 50,000 MW.


Keep your Yeye damn electricity and give us full resource control and see if we have time for kanji dam.

Ughelli gas plant produces more electrify consistently than kanji that only operates near full capacity during the rainy season.

somegirl1:

You clearly do not appreciate the damage caused over the years to the environment by oil extraction activities.
The riverine people, especially, have lost their main source of livelihood and income -fishing.
Could the same be said about indigenes of Taraba and Niger states?
Besides as someone have already pointed out, electricity is paid for by individual households. Apples and oranges.

APCsupporter:
Not everyone is selfish

SpicyJosBabe:


If this Hydropower dam in Taraba state is completed, hydropower energy generation will equal or surpass gas power generation, because currently hydropower generation is slightly above one-third of the total power generation of Nigeria.

cjrane:


[size=15pt]Bro, you have time to waste explaining to greedy abookis

They will soon ask for rent for non-northern presidents to pay in Aso rock.As if the money for the building came from the north.

They should go ahead and nationalize not just Kainji dam, but the roads in the north and the Mambilla dam. All these projects by the way are built 100% with money from the Niger Delta.

Everything the north could have contributed to the national economy,such as Cement, and solid minerals, they made those into private businesses so that their will deny Nigeria the benefit of sharing those resources with the south. But for resources in the south, it is controlled wholly by Federal Government so that they can annex the proceeds from it and use it to largely fund projects in Fulani land under the guise of the dubious "One Nigeria".[/size]

bayelsaowei:
how much money and forex would the dam provide for Nigeria? ?...I hope you do know oil and gas is not just for power generation it's the sole means via which Nigeria makes money...can the dam suffice that??

SpicyJosBabe:


Pls use your tenses right. The last time i checked, crude oil accounts just 70% of the national revenue and not the sole means.

Sometimes when we talk, let us talk in respect to future sight. The fact that President Buhari is now channeling rescources to the development of other sectors shows that he himself is not comfortable with the nation's over dependence on crude oil. Oil did not just become the country's main means of generating revenue overnight. It took a period of development and investment for it to attain it's height.

SpicyJosBabe:



[s]You guys have the mouths to boast today because the federal govt invested much into crude oil exploration. If we the northernerns get as much federal govt investments into this hydropower generation, we can supply energy to meet the demand of the whole Nigeria and even other countries, there are many waterfalls in the north.[/s]
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[size=18pt]
Your Cocoa and Groundnuts did not fund the oil industry[/size]

That is tantamount to saying Saudis funded their oil industry with sun and sand!

Exploration for crude petroleum oil in Nigeria first began in 1908. However, serious and sustained efforts did not happen until Shell Darcy Petroleum Company commenced operations in 1935. It took this company more than 20 years to discover petroleum crude oil in commercial quantities in Oloibiri in 1956.

Before 1965, all the international petroleum marketing companies in Nigeria imported their stocks independently from their own refineries located abroad. As the local demand grew for these products, and following the local availability of crude oil by pipeline, establishment of a refinery in Nigeria became commercially viable..  Two oil marketing companies in Nigeria , Shell and British Petroleum, BP, formed a 50/50 joint venture refining company in Nigeria , the Nigerian Petroleum Refining (NPRC) in 1960.

The NPRC built a 38,000b/d petroleum refinery at Alesa-Eleme, near Port Harcourt to refine local crude oil into five petroleum fuel products. Construction of the refinery commenced in 1963 and production started two years later, in 1965.

Crude oil processed in the NPRC refinery was a portion of the production destined for export through Shell-BP’s Bonny Island export terminal. By a special contract agreement among all the five major products marketing companies, they procured crude oil from Shell-BP..  The crude oil was transported by pipeline to the NPRC Refinery for processing based on the quantity processed, at an agreed unit price per ton of crude oil.

The major marketers also, at their own cost, arranged the timely evacuation of the products from the refinery, mostly by the sea to Lagos and the remaining by road tankers..  The refinery was de-bottlenecked in 1973, in order to increase its crude oil processing capacity from 38,000b/d to 60,000b/d. The domestic demand for petroleum products which steadily increased was satisfied by the NPRC refinery for about 8 to 10 years.

In 1970, the Federal Government acting as a member of OPEC compulsorily acquired and paid for an equity share of 60 percent in all private international companies working in the Upstream and Downstream sectors of the Petroleum Industry in the country.

https://www.nairaland.com/2286512/cocoa-groundnuts-did-not-fund

SpicyJosBabe:


Ok, and if i may ask, which money was used in developing the oil and gas industries in the past? Was it the private money of Southernerns? No, it was the collective wealth of agriculture all Nigerians.

Talking about Abuja, do you know the sacrifice which the FCT indigenes paid? They lost their ancestral land and heritage forever. Its not as if the land was a complete virgin land. These people no longer have a lot of rights in their ancestral homeland, they can never become governors and worst of they dont produce ministers. Lets not go to that topic.

bayelsaowei:
shut up....how does the hydro power generator put money into the central coffers to feed the country daily....nonsense topic...

We are talking crude oil and someone is talking about hydro power....

bayelsaowei:
so 70 percent isn't the sole means via which we generate revenue then what is...

What other sectors is the dullard channeling resources to other than still the oil......

So you think you could come up with this lame topic in order to water down the quest of the Niger delta struggle..??..For the same electricity we pay for??...

SairikiDurri:

stop this already debunked lie.
The oil industry was developed by Multi-National companies who invested their own money to explore and start drilling operations.
There is nothing your useless FG and stup1d Nigeria has done for the ND.
Rather we have been subsidizing your parasitic north and SW since 1914!
Also see this thread and see how ND and SE where the richest region
https://www.nairaland.com/3340447/annual-report-1914-oil-palm

SpicyJosBabe:
For over a decade now, the Niger deltan region has been agitating for increased national allocation from the federal government due to the fact that their region produces much of Nigerian revenue from Oil exploration.

Niger state on the other hand which is a state in the Central region of Nigeria has 2 of the powerful water dams in Nigeria which produces almost all the hydro electric power being used for the whole of Nigeria for so many decades now.
Now, another hydro power dam is being built in Mambilla, Taraba state, central Nigeria, and this dam is built to be the largest Hydropower station in Africa which will increase power for the whole Nigeria......

https://www.nairaland.com/3339922/engineers-begin-work-mambilla-hydro-power

The question is that since states in the Niger delta region are getting additional national allocation for their crude oil, what about Niger and Taraba states and their hydro electric power generation for the whole country??

Would they be wrong if they start a similar agitation?

SpicyJosBabe:



Yes, i know the damage being caused by crude oil exploration, but at least, over the years the FG has made concerted efforts to see to this menace.

However do you think that the water used in producing the electricity is not affected at all? Of course it is. The water used in the dams is returned back to its source heated with a different temperature than the original water body and this alters the original climatic settings of the environment which could also be affecting natural marine life.

SpicyJosBabe:


Ok, and if i may ask, which money was used in developing the oil and gas industries in the past? Was it the private money of Southernerns? No, it was the collective wealth of agriculture all Nigerians.

Talking about Abuja, do you know the sacrifice which the FCT indigenes paid? They lost their ancestral land and heritage forever. Its not as if the land was a complete virgin land. These people no longer have a lot of rights in their ancestral homeland, they can never become governors and worst of they dont produce ministers. Lets not go to that topic.

Keep deceiving your self with the devil's lie that abooki paid for oil exploration with groundnut money.

Just in case you didn't know, in the 1960s each region paid 50% derivation on cocoa, Palm oil and groundnuts which were their chief export. Out of those funds, the FG paid for the first JOINT VENTURE with Shell to explore oil in Oloibiri areas. So in that case, palm oil and cocoa from Eastern and Western regions which contributed more to the federation account actually accounted more for the 50% the FG paid in joint venture. However, since the oil was discovered, it is the north that has enjoyed the lion share of the benefits of oil.

Speaking of Abuja, if you didn't have more to gain by putting the capital in the north, why didn't you make Enugu or Calabar or even Idah the capital of Nigeria instead of Abuja? These areas would have gladly taken compensation for their land used to build those shinning super structures in Abuja.

At no point in Nigeria's history had the north been richer than the south . Truth be told, the British brought Nigeria together because they wanted the wealth in the south to develop the north. This would not have been a problem if the north did not go a step further to not only give themselves the lion share of the resources of southerners, but also treat southern Nigeria as a conquered territory.

That is why the youths of the south are mobilizing for a war of freedom against the total domination and internal colonization by the north. This war will still happen, whether in 7 months or 7 years, the southern youths are increasingly resolving to fight for liberation and freedom, unless Nigeria is restructured to be fair and equitable to everyone and not just the northerners gaining from the lopsided structural arrangement and fake constitution their past military juntas imposed upon us to make the south perpetual slaves to the north.

somegirl1:


Could denotes probability. Dams contribute minimally to global warming.
In the ND, it is not a case of projections, it is the present situation.
It is not enough to clean up the oil spills. Does the government have plans to restore the ecosystem (assuming it isn't irreparable) and replenish the water with sea creatures?
Most of the ND depended primarily on fishing to live. That has been taken away from them and their region has not been developed to give them other means of livelihood.
If development was uniform across the country, there might not be the agitation for increased revenue allocation. It is unreasonable for revenue from a small section to be used to finance an entire country, concentrating on a few sections in other regions, while the region where the oil is extracted from is left damaged and impoverished.
Pretty much like Niger and Taraba states providing electricity to other states while being denied electricity.

I should add that if states/communities in which the dams are located decide to request some form of compensation from hydropower proceeds, they would be within their rights to do so.

SpicyJosBabe:

You are completely confused and contradicts your self. So if the money we pay for electricity is not enough to run the dam, which means that Federal Government keep on investing more to keep on the Dam running, how in the world do want the same government to pay for a project that doesn't generate revenue? Can the same be said of Niger Delta's Oil and Gas? All they can ask of is for the government to remodel the project to include irrigation and water supply facilities.

@Bolded, there is nowhere in the world that electricity is free, even in United states where they generate all forms of energy.
Do you think that the bills you pay is what is used in the maintenance of the machineries and functioning of the power dams? Hell no, the bills you pay are used mostly for provision of transformers, high tension wires and installments to supply the electricity to the streets and houses e.t.c

You guys have the mouths to boast today because the federal govt invested much into crude oil exploration. If we the northernerns get as much federal govt investments into this hydropower generation, we can supply energy to meet the demand of the whole Nigeria and even other countries, there are many waterfalls in the north.
The north would have been more active also if the FG invested more into agriculture and natural minerals exploration as u can hear Nickel has been discovered in Kaduna state in commercial quantities, Gold in Kano state, Uranium in the NorthWest and many more.
You can see that President Buhari is now channeling his efforts to diversifying the economy by tapping into all these.

cjrane:


[size=15pt]Keep deceiving your self with the devil's lie that abooki paid for oil exploration with groundnut money.

Just in case you didn't know, in the 1960s each region paid 50% derivation on cocoa, Palm oil and groundnuts which were their chief export. Out of those funds, the FG paid for the first JOINT VENTURE with Shell to explore oil in Oloibiri areas. So in that case, palm oil and cocoa from Eastern and Western regions which contributed more to the federation account actually accounted more for the 50% the FG paid in joint venture. However, since the oil was discovered, it is the north that has enjoyed the lion share of the benefits of oil.

Speaking of Abuja, if you didn't have more to gain by putting the capital in the north, why didn't you make Enugu or Calabar or even Idah the capital of Nigeria instead of Abuja? These areas would have gladly taken compensation for their land used to build those shinning super structures in Abuja.

At no point in Nigeria's history had the north been richer than the south . Truth be told, the British brought Nigeria together because they wanted the wealth in the south to develop the north. This would not have been a problem if the north did not go a step further to not only give themselves the lion share of the resources of southerners, but also treat southern Nigeria as a conquered territory.

That is why the youths of the south are mobilizing for a war of freedom against the total domination and internal colonization by the north. This war will still happen, whether in 7 months or 7 years, the southern youths are increasingly resolving to fight for liberation and freedom, unless Nigeria is restructured to be fair and equitable to everyone and not just the northerners gaining from the lopsided structural arrangement and fake constitution their past military juntas imposed upon us to make the south perpetual slaves to the north.[/size]

cjrane:


In any case, the dam was built with 100% oil money from Niger Delta.
Infact, abooki should be re-paying back the billions of dollars used for Kainji dam as loan. Afterall if World Bank or IMF gave them the money, they would be paying back for that dam now.

cjrane:


In any case, the dam was built with 100% oil money from Niger Delta.
Infact, abooki should be re-paying back the billions of dollars used for Kainji dam as loan. Afterall if World Bank or IMF gave them the money, they would be paying back for that dam now.

Blue3k:
Good fiscal federalism for everone. No more sharing make your own cash. Let's keep our oil revenue pay tax. Keep power generation profits. Everyone's state manage economy no more excuses no more secession agitation. We'll weed out the weak poor states from industrious states.
Let's see truly how everyone fairs if the have to look out for themselves without federal government paternalistic/parasitic tendencies. Let's start this please.
Take mineral and land rights out of domain of federal government and give it to citezens. Let us directly earn royalty from it. This will shut even up ounce and for all time.

SpicyJosBabe:


As for the South-southernerns, why are your leaders not united on these issues? Why dont you people form a strong partnership with the SouthEast and SouthWest leaders in order to make your voices louder? There is no way the north can supress you all if you are united.
Your house cannot be in disunity and you want your voice to be heard.
If you people want seccesion, why did most of you betray the igbos when they wanted out of Nigeria with Biafra together with you?

SpicyJosBabe:


Pls take your lies to the thrash. As at the time the Kainji dam was built, oil was not yet the major means of income for Nigeria. The dam was built in the early 60's.