Spy360:
If Emenalo is the technical director as in TECHNICAL DIRECTOR, then he is responsible for all transfers. This argument i0s becoming stale especially when the answer- TECHNICAL DIRECTOR is so obvious.

Abramovich has the final say on any transfer in Chelsea.. is it fair to say responsible for all transfers including hazard and Co

lordfalcao:
Abramovich has the final say on any transfer in Chelsea.. is it fair to say responsible for all transfers including hazard and Co

Sorry.

I just took time to study the argument and realised what its all about.

The fact is in most clubs today not one person is solely responsible, its a collective effort.

One person spots the players and makes a list of recommendations, another negotiates and ULTIMATELY decides who amongst the listed would be signed.

Emenalo is more of youth recruitments at Chelsea, the manager recommends for the first team but its the owner via the negotiator that finally decides.

At Arsenal, Arsene is lord and master. Even Dick Law our negotiator cannot sanction a deal without Wenger's approval. Wenger is given an allocation, how he uses it is up to him.

In summary, its Abrahamovic via Marina that is ultimately responsible. Since the manager and TD has no control of resources.

Spy360:
If Emenalo is the technical director as in TECHNICAL DIRECTOR, then he is responsible for all transfers. This argument is becoming stale especially when the answer- TECHNICAL DIRECTOR is so obvious.

Wrong! Definitely not all transfers. But if you say he sometimes act on others recommendations you're correct. These are people he trusts so he should be able to look at their recommendations and act on them.

See infighting...

As arsenal fans no get anything to moan about for now... make I come pitch my tent here...

iPopAlomo:
See infighting...

As arsenal fans no get anything to moan about for now... make I come pitch my tent here...

As na onle us dey UCL wetin we go do? Na to dey monitor quarels of jobless housewives.

eph12:

Wrong! Definitely not all transfers. But if you say he sometimes act on others recommendations you're correct. These are people he trusts so he should be able to look at their recommendations and act on them.

As TD he must be involved in all transfers. But as I stated in the post before yours, he is not responsible for the final decisions especially as it concerns the first team.

Spy360:

Sorry.

I just took time to study the argument and realised what its all about.

The fact is in most clubs today not one person is solely responsible, its a collective effort.

One person spots the players and makes a list of recommendations, another negotiates and ULTIMATELY decides who amongst the listed would be signed.

Emenalo is more of youth recruitments at Chelsea, the manager recommends for the first team but its the owner via the negotiator that finally decides.

At Arsenal, Arsene is lord and master. Even Dick Law our negotiator cannot sanction a deal without Wenger's approval. Wenger is given an allocation, how he uses it is up to him.

In summary, its Abrahamovic via Marina that is ultimately responsible. Since the manager and TD has no control of resources.

Emenalo doesn't do much when it comes to transfers in Chelsea. everything starts from the coach and scouts and ends with Roman or Marian..

see I can't understand a situation where you tell me Mr Emenalo is incharge of all signings in Chelsea and afterwards turn to tell me some signings made where not done by him again... it's very unconvincing to me.

eph12:

Wrong! Definitely not all transfers. But if you say he sometimes act on others recommendations you're correct. These are people he trusts so he should be able to look at their recommendations and act on them.

Emenalo is just like a middle man in transfer saga who carries recommendation to Roman who has the final say on all transfers (I repeat all transfers). But if you think Emenalo is incharge of all transfers.. then give him full credit for signing hazard Costa and fab

Spy360:

As TD he must be involved in all transfers. But as I stated in the post before yours, he is not responsible for the final decisions especially as it concerns the first team.

Yes as a TD he must be involved which simply means carrying recommendation to Roman.. it is Roman who sanctions the deals. so blame Roman

m.goal.com/s/en-ng/news/4055/main/2016/09/27/27919622/rumours-chelsea-prepare-bid-for-burnleys-keane


With Saturday's 3-0 drubbing at Arsenal highlighting the side's fragility,
the manager is looking at the 23-year-old as reinforcement in the next
transfer window

Chelsea manager "Antonio Conte" has identified Michael Keane as a solution
to his defensive problems at Stamford Bridge, according to the Mirror.
The Blues' backline has been anything but stable since the Italian took
over, despite the re-signing of David Luiz from Paris Saint-Germain.


Burnley's 23-year-old star could set Chelsea back up to £25 million, and
has been identified as a possible long-term successor to John Terry in the
middle of defence.

Michael Keane? 25million pounds? Chelsea?

LOL Which kain yeye rumor be that?

What has Roman have to do with signing Hector and the likes. . . Sanctioning the transfers my foot.

Michael Keane,that will be a Buhari signing

Micheak Keane and Ben Gibson are now better than Christensen,Kalas and Salter

Na so

bigkesh:

Joséreviewed Bodji and Hector?? Lol
Bro that Emenalo's job

When you need a first team player you don't rely on scouts bro...Scouts are for catching then cheap or young
Mourinho wanted Stones, somebody got him Hector


No matter where you turn to,you can't excuse him of everything

The words in bold letters, are genuine, incontrovertible evidence of a pre-disposition towards the arguments. It is all geared to make Emenalo the evil one even when facts stare people in the face. No be today we don dey argue these things.

We were here when Chelsea submitted bids of up to £40m for Stones. There are several reports surrounding Everton's reasons for not selling and/or Stones' desire to join or not join Chelsea.

Some quarters will make you believe that if Chelsea went up to £50m, Everton would have sold. I like to believe this as well (forget for a moment whether the deal makes sense or not). For the purpose of this discussion, let us focus.

Who recommended that Chelsea stops at £40m? Emenalo?

Come on fellas. Let's be factual for a minute and evaluate exactly when we came across this whole Emenalo debate. Did we arrive at this debate on the back of results from duly researched facts or have we been unconsciously influenced by the words that have been spoken the loudest?


Those words above are made to look as though, Jose wanted good quality but someone decided against it and gave him dross instead. When in fact, Chelsea went out to try and make the deal happen. This was the case with Pogba and Marquinhos. Bids were tabled to respective clubs. It's in the papers. However, it seems if the deals went through, they would have been Jose's signings but as they didn't go through, it as Emenalo who decided to bring dross in instead.

Why do we continue to tow this line?

Every season same issue yet niggas don't see the sign.

Aint got time for hackneyed talks.

25milla for Micheal Keane when we can easily recall Andreas who's much more better? Who is smoking what at SW6?

nateevs:



The words in bold letters, are genuine, incontrovertible evidence of a pre-disposition towards the arguments. It is all geared to make Emenalo the evil one even when facts stare people in the face. No be today we don dey argue these things.

We were here when Chelsea submitted bids of up to £40m for Stones. There are several reports surrounding Everton's reasons for not selling and/or Stones' desire to join or not join Chelsea.

Some quarters will make you believe that if Chelsea went up to £50m, Everton would have sold. I like to believe this as well (forget for a moment whether the deal makes sense or not). For the purpose of this discussion, let us focus.

Who recommended that Chelsea stops at £40m? Emenalo?

Come on fellas. Let's be factual for a minute and evaluate exactly when we came across this whole Emenalo debate. Did we arrive at this debate on the back of results from duly researched facts or have we been unconsciously influenced by the words that have been spoken the loudest?


Those words above are made to look as though, Jose wanted good quality but someone decided against it and gave him dross instead. When in fact, Chelsea went out to try and make the deal happen. This was the case with Pogba and Marquinhos. Bids were tabled to respective clubs. It's in the papers. However, it seems if the deals went through, they would have been Jose's signings but as they didn't go through, it as Emenalo who decided to bring dross in instead.

Why do we continue to tow this line?

Good luck getting a sensible answer to that question...

bigkesh:
Michael Keane,that will be a Buhari signing
Micheak Keane and Ben Gibson are now better than Christensen,Kalas and Salter
Na so

no that will be an Emenalo signing

nateevs:



The words in bold letters, are genuine, incontrovertible evidence of a pre-disposition towards the arguments. It is all geared to make Emenalo the evil one even when facts stare people in the face. No be today we don dey argue these things.

We were here when Chelsea submitted bids of up to £40m for Stones. There are several reports surrounding Everton's reasons for not selling and/or Stones' desire to join or not join Chelsea.

Some quarters will make you believe that if Chelsea went up to £50m, Everton would have sold. I like to believe this as well (forget for a moment whether the deal makes sense or not). For the purpose of this discussion, let us focus.

Who recommended that Chelsea stops at £40m? Emenalo?

Come on fellas. Let's be factual for a minute and evaluate exactly when we came across this whole Emenalo debate. Did we arrive at this debate on the back of results from duly researched facts or have we been unconsciously influenced by the words that have been spoken the loudest?


Those words above are made to look as though, Jose wanted good quality but someone decided against it and gave him dross instead. When in fact, Chelsea went out to try and make the deal happen. This was the case with Pogba and Marquinhos. Bids were tabled to respective clubs. It's in the papers. However, it seems if the deals went through, they would have been Jose's signings but as they didn't go through, it as Emenalo who decided to bring dross in instead.

Why do we continue to tow this line?

That is the answer many people on board this thread would not like, want to know.

Roman Abramovich is prepared to bankroll an overhaul of the Chelsea squad if the players cannot convince head coach Antonio Conte that they can compete for major honours once again.
(Telegraph)

You don't have to sign Pogba and Ronaldo and Messi before you play ball.. Barca did that with their recruitment this past summer.

Even if Marina/Roman will pay for Baba and Papy and Pedro and Pato, it was because the Technical Director recommended them. They didn't act on their own.

But I don't know why we are having this argument.

Lets see what the future holds. Everyone has a point. Its just about perspective.

Some people think its Abramovic, some of us think its the TD.

Some pages back, I asked y'all to vote. I think Abramovic got the Lowest though.

Bimffo:
You don't have to sign Pogba and Ronaldo and Messi before you play ball.. Barca did that with their recruitment this past summer.

Even if Marina/Roman will pay for Baba and Papy and Pedro and Pato, it was because the Technical Director recommended them. They didn't act on their own.

But I don't know why we are having this argument.

Lets see what the future holds. Everyone has a point. Its just about perspective.

Some people think its Abramovic, some of us think its the TD.

Some pages back, I asked y'all to vote. I think Abramovic got the Lowest though.

A lot of your slack talk can be avoided by simply using google before you post.

Pato is represented by Kia Joorabchan.Kia Joorabchan also represents Oscar, Ramires and Willian. Oh, and Matt Miazga.

Kia Joorabchan used to own a company called MSI.
Abramovich reportedly owned a 15% stake in MSI.
Kia Joorabchan and Boris Berezovsky used to be business partners. Abramovich used to be Berezovsky's protege.

Connect the dots.

Nihilist:


A lot of your slack talk can be avoided by simply using google before you post.

Pato is represented by Kia Joorabchan.Kia Joorabchan also represents Oscar, Ramires and Willian. Oh, and Matt Miazga.

Kia Joorabchan used to own a company called MSI.
Abramovich reportedly owned a 15% stake in MSI.
Kia Joorabchan and Boris Berezovsky used to be business partners. Abramovich used to be Berezovsky's protege.

Connect the dots.

See connections..


Lets assume your assumptions are right, and you were able to connect the dots


Why have a TD when you can do the job as the owner.?


Yea. I get.. Emenalo doesn't do anything at Stamford bridge. He is just a figure head.

And I don't know why Roman keeps complaining about bad results. If he actually signed some of our players because he was someone's protege. .

Nihilist mehn.

Nihilist:

Kia Joorabchan used to own a company called MSI.
Abramovich reportedly owned a 15% stake in MSI.
Kia Joorabchan and Boris Berezovsky used to be business partners. Abramovich used to be Berezovsky's protege.

Connect the dots.

See FBI ontop football matter!

Abramovic did not own a penny in MSI. It was rumoured that some Russians funded Joorabchian but the Abramovic link was debunked. If Abramovic owned MSI, we would have got Mascherano and Tevez who were owned by MSI.

If Berezovsky and Roman saw each other in the street since 2000, they would kill each other. At the time of his death, he was in court suing Roman for billions cos he felt Roman and Putin jerked him on Sibneft. Infactvthe day Berezovsky caught Roman on the streets of London to slap him with court summons, Roman went white with fear and stepped up his security.

All that said, I am not sure what all of this has to do with a TD who has failed to deliver a stable team in years.

nateevs:



The words in bold letters, are genuine, incontrovertible evidence of a pre-disposition towards the arguments. It is all geared to make Emenalo the evil one even when facts stare people in the face. No be today we don dey argue these things.

We were here when Chelsea submitted bids of up to £40m for Stones. There are several reports surrounding Everton's reasons for not selling and/or Stones' desire to join or not join Chelsea.

Some quarters will make you believe that if Chelsea went up to £50m, Everton would have sold. I like to believe this as well (forget for a moment whether the deal makes sense or not). For the purpose of this discussion, let us focus.

Who recommended that Chelsea stops at £40m? Emenalo?

Come on fellas. Let's be factual for a minute and evaluate exactly when we came across this whole Emenalo debate. Did we arrive at this debate on the back of results from duly researched facts or have we been unconsciously influenced by the words that have been spoken the loudest?


Those words above are made to look as though, Jose wanted good quality but someone decided against it and gave him dross instead. When in fact, Chelsea went out to try and make the deal happen. This was the case with Pogba and Marquinhos. Bids were tabled to respective clubs. It's in the papers. However, it seems if the deals went through, they would have been Jose's signings but as they didn't go through, it as Emenalo who decided to bring dross in instead.

Why do we continue to tow this line?

None of this absolves Emenalo of the poor job he is doing which is supposed to be overarching responsibility for delivering a stable team.

If Stones is too expensive, he should deliver Umtiti etc, but he is delivering Rahmans and Cuadrados.

Tottenham Hotspur have a stable team with extreme strength in depth in every position and 70% of those players cost under £10m

Bimffo:


See connections..


Lets assume your assumptions are right, and you were able to connect the dots


Why have a TD when you can do the job as the owner.?


Yea. I get.. Emenalo doesn't do anything at Stamford bridge. He is just a figure head.

And I don't know why Roman keeps complaining about bad results. If he actually signed some of our players because he was someone's protege. .

Nihilist mehn.

The only person making assumptions here is you...well you, and the rest of the Anti-Emenalo crew.

If you still think Emenalo is in charge of recruitment despite the fact that Abramovich's former business partner seems to have quite a few players at the club, then we might as well stop pretending that your arguments are based on facts.

Kia Joorabchan actually partly owns(50%) Ramires sef, and made around 11m from his purchase the first time round, and would have no doubt made another tidy sum from his sale to China.

The club never told you that Emenalo signs players. In fact, Look at his bio and job description on the clubs own website, and you will see that the words ' player recruitment, player signing, ' etc are conspicuously absent from his profile.
https://www.chelseafc.com/the-club/about-chelsea-football-club/club-personnel/michael-emenalo.html

Compare to Marina's profile.
https://www.chelseafc.com/the-club/about-chelsea-football-club/club-personnel/marina-granovskaia.html

What I find interesting is that despite the fact that she only joined the board in 2013...she has been representing the owner since 2010. I'm done with this discussion.

Ibime:


See FBI ontop football matter!

Abramovic did not own a penny in MSI. It was rumoured that some Russians funded Joorabchian but the Abramovic link was debunked. If Abramovic owned MSI, we would have got Mascherano and Tevez who were owned by MSI.

Tevez and Macsherano signed for West Ham on August 31 2006. September 1 2006, MSI announces their intention to buy West Ham.
https://www.ft.com/content/7e93e906-39ec-11db-90bb-0000779e2340

If Berezovsky and Roman saw each other in the street since 2000, they would kill each other. At the time of his death, he was in court suing Roman for billions cos he felt Roman and Putin jerked him on Sibneft. Infactvthe day Berezovsky caught Roman on the streets of London to slap him with court summons, Roman went white with fear and stepped up his security.

All that said, I am not sure what all of this has to do with a TD who has failed to deliver a stable team in years.

MSI was owned by amongst other parties including Joorabchan, a company called GSA. The directors of GSA were Pini Zahavi, Jorge Mendes and Roman Abramovich.

Pini Zahavi was the guy who facilitated Roman's purchase of Chelsea FC, and later recommended Drogba and Petr Cech to the club.

Do your research. Google is free.

Connect the dots.

Yea. Emenalo is just a figure head.

I agree now.

Bimffo:
Yea. Emenalo is just a figure head.

I agree now.

I personally don't care if you agree or not.

I just feel it's my duty to put out relevant information for anyone who is interested to read for themselves.

dazall.

Nihilist:


I personally don't care if you agree or not.

I just feel it's my duty to put out relevant information for anyone who is interested to read for themselves.

dazall.

You are done with the talk na..

And I said I agree with it..

There is no need to argue about it again.

Nihilist:


Tevez and Macsherano signed for West Ham on August 31 2006. September 1 2006, MSI announces their intention to buy West Ham.
https://www.ft.com/content/7e93e906-39ec-11db-90bb-0000779e2340




MSI was owned by amongst other parties including Joorabchan, a company called GSA. The directors of GSA were Pini Zahavi, Jorge Mendes and Roman Abramovich.

Pini Zahavi was the guy who facilitated Roman's purchase of Chelsea FC, and later recommended Drogba and Petr Cech to the club.

Do your research. Google is free.

Connect the dots.

Abramovic was never a director of GSA. GSA was owned by Mendes and Zahavi.

GSA did not own MSI, GSA owned percentages of players that MSI also held stake in.

What you are just showing us is the usual interrelationships between clubs and agents.

Claiming Abramovic did business with Zahavi is not a link, afterall everyone in football does business with Mendes so we might as well link Mendes to every Chelsea signing.

Currently, Roman does not do business with or trust Zahavi etc. Joorabchian did not do business with Chelsea for years either until Ramires sale to China.

He helped us get crazy money for Ramires and that is where he sold the Pato and Maizga deals to Chelsea.

Abramovic and Berezovsky can never do business so any link between them is fa fa fa foul.

All these are just tenuous links, a desperate play to throw enough mud and cloud the Emenalo argument and absolve him as a powerless statue.

Like I said, what you are just showing us is the usual interrelationships between clubs and agents.

I also attended the same University as Kia Joorabchian. I might be responsible for Pato signing. Connect the dots.