Those were the days, but not of now, deal with it! The world is changing, you need I accept change

Jokerman:
Abraham was none of that, and his wife was yet submissive. ...

this guy is right but what I don't get is why he created it

same thing goes with respect, you've got to earn respect, respect is not given freely

Berbierklaus:

cc Elsonmorali,is it that you are blind or choose to be blind @ the bolded or you probably didn't get my view from toks2008's thread?
I am not disputing submission,but no man has exclusive right to 'demand' for it.... They can only 'earn' it .

ItsQuinn:
Lobatan! ....it's tit for tat

Abi oooo.

ElsonMorali:


Actually I don't use glasses. I have 20/20 vision.

If submission is earned then love too must be earned. Tit for tat.

true!

Toks2008:


Are you sure you are a man?

Please don't ridicule your position. ..the bible makes it clear that men should love their wives and wives must submit to their husbands.

A man has authority over a woman so it is apparent for the lady never ever to expect the man to love her FIRST before she can submit to him.

That is exactly what you are postulating here and it is very wrong.

Loving your wife and wife submitting to her husband is mutually exclusive but on a scale of balance it is only reasonable to expect submission first except of course you want to argue that it is the woman that has authority over the man.

I believe this is logical enough for a sound minded person.

The man is meant to chase after the woman first, not the woman chasing after the man. Your logic is naturally wrong .....if you expect the woman to approach the man first you will wait for all eternity

Toks2008:


Are you sure you are a man?

Please don't ridicule your position. ..the bible makes it clear that men should love their wives and wives must submit to their husbands.

A man has authority over a woman so it is apparent for the lady never ever to expect the man to love her FIRST before she can submit to him.

That is exactly what you are postulating here and it is very wrong.

Loving your wife and wife submitting to her husband is mutually exclusive but on a scale of balance it is only reasonable to expect submission first except of course you want to argue that it is the woman that has authority over the man.

I believe this is logical enough for a sound minded person.

If you continue this way you will never marry again.

Learn to love

As for me, I can't submit to any fvcking man that treat me like shit, I will leave him ASAP! ...when I'm not a robot or a zombie .....like I said treat me like a queen and I will treat you like a king

ItsQuinn:
true!

Toks2008:


Are you sure you are a man?

Please don't ridicule your position. ..the bible makes it clear that men should love their wives and wives must submit to their husbands.

A man has authority over a woman so it is apparent for the lady never ever to expect the man to love her FIRST before she can submit to him.

That is exactly what you are postulating here and it is very wrong.

Loving your wife and wife submitting to her husband is mutually exclusive but on a scale of balance it is only reasonable to expect submission first except of course you want to argue that it is the woman that has authority over the man.

I believe this is logical enough for a sound minded person.

OK I'll ignore the fact that you just called me one of unsound mind.

How is it possible for a woman whom you treat with disgust and indifference in marriage to respect and continue submitting to you?

Unless of course you think that women are zombies or sex objects or baby making machines to be used and discarded.

A wife and a husband each has different roles to play in making a good family.

The husband has to love unconditionally his wife and cherish her and pet her.

The wife has to love and respect and submit to her husband.

You seem comfortable stressing the role of the woman according to the Bible while ignoring that of the man.

The Bible instructsthe man to love his wife just like Christ loves His bride the church.

How did Christ love his bride, the church? By laying down his life for her.

So Mr. Are you prepared to lay down your life for your spouse whom you demand submission from?

Oh and by the way, yes a man must show love to his woman first before there can be mutual sharing of love and trust and the submission of the woman can come in.

After all the man is the one that woos the woman and not the other way around and if we are using Christ as our model then He died for His bride the Church even while we we're still sinners.

Berbierklaus:

Lol

Pained

I wish Seun would add more horrible emotions to the collections here. I know a couple I'd like to use on you. These ones don't do justice to my expression at all.

ElsonMorali:


OK I'll ignore the fact that you just called me one of unsound mind.

How is it possible for a woman whom you treat with disgust and indifference in marriage to respect and continue submitting to you?

Unless of course you think that women are zombies or sex objects or baby making machines to be used and discarded.

A wife and a husband each has different roles to play in making a good family.

The husband has to love unconditionally his wife and cherish her and pet her.

The wife has to love and respect and submit to her husband.

You seem comfortable stressing the role of the woman according to the Bible while ignoring that of the man.

The Bible instructsthe man to love his wife just like Christ loves His bride the church.

How did Christ love his bride, the church? By laying down his life for her.

So Mr. Are you prepared to lay down your life for your spouse whom you demand submission from?

Oh and by the way, yes a man must show love to his woman first before there can be mutual sharing of love and trust and the submission of the woman can come in.

After all the man is the one that woos the woman and not the other way around and if we are using Christ as our model then He died for His bride the Church even while we we're still sinners.

First and foremost I never labeled you as unsound so stop the blackmail.

Now let me hint you about the mystery of submission.

Go and do your findings and I mean serious research and it will blow your mind that only a minute fraction out of 100 men will treat a submissive eoman badly.

The problem us that most ladies have been brainwashed to believe in tit for tat even in marriage.

To Kemi her husband may not deserve her submission because she asks for money and he could not provide....for titi maybe her hubby lasts just 2 minutes in bed and that is a ground for disrespect and fir shade it could be his drinking habit that has made her stop submitting to him.

We tend to hear stories of many ladies claiming lack of love but before you call the guy names please find out and you will be amazed that at a point the lady decides to disrespect him.

I don't know how advanced you are in age but I have seen things and I have mediated in many relationship scuffle and in every 9 out of 10 cases it is always the lady that faltered.

If you'd husband does not show you the required love that is not a reason to disrespect him...if you want to leave please do....this is the part you are missing

Men are naturally programed to love a submissive woman

Hmmmm

ItsQuinn:
As for me, I can't submit to any fvcking man that treat me like shit, I will leave him ASAP! ...when I'm not a robot or a zombie .....like I said treat me like a queen and I will treat you like a king

And the law of natural cohabitation between a man says submit first and you will definitely be treated right.

You talk as though you are a watch dog waiting for signs of maltreatment from the guy for you to stop submitting to him but the words of GOD which you called "unrealistic" says submit in all things and submitting to him he will most likely maintain a proper decorum even if he treats you bad at the moment.

See young lady ..in this present day no reasonable man has time for shits and any lady who decide to prove hard to Crack will be sampled and dumped and by the time the lady goes through the hands of different men she will be forced to learn the hard truth.

A man may treat you bad but your act of submission will eventually reset his brain.

ItsQuinn:
The man is meant to chase after the woman first, not the woman chasing after the man. Your logic is naturally wrong .....if you expect the woman to approach the man first you will wait for all eternity

As long you want to use logic then you will forever have issues with any man in the area of submission except he is not man enough.

A man says shut up you tell him why must he ask you to shut up then expect a slap from an aggressive type but when you keep shut there is every likelihood that he will apologize to you

See all these threads I create is to help women folks who are the real endangered species in the cruel world of men but to many nland ladies I'm a monster but time will tell.

Toks2008:


First and foremost I never labeled you as unsound so stop the blackmail.

Now let me hint you about the mystery of submission.

Go and do your findings and I mean serious research and it will blow your mind that only a minute fraction out of 100 men will treat a submissive woman badly.

The problem us that most ladies have been brainwashed to believe in tit for tat even in marriage.

To Kemi her husband may not deserve her submission because she asks for money and he could not provide....for titi maybe her hubby lasts just 2 minutes in bed and that is a ground for disrespect and fir shade it could be his drinking habit that has made her stop submitting to him.

We tend to hear stories of many ladies claiming lack of love but before you call the guy names please find out and you will be amazed that at a point the lady decides to disrespect him.

I don't know how advanced you are in age but I have seen things and I have mediated in many relationship scuffle and in every 9 out of 10 cases it is always the lady that faltered.

If you'd husband does not show you the required love that is not a reason to disrespect him...if you want to leave please do....this is the part you are missing

Men are naturally programed to love a submissive woman

I have to say that you're making some sense there.

But here's the thing, you say men are naturally programmed to love a submissive woman, yet we know that human beings aren't the same. They are the product of their environment and upbringing. So if a man spent his childhood watching his mom cowering in fear as his father dealt blows on her with his belt, the likelihood that he'll beat his wife is very high. So a woman being submissive in this case will be suicidal.

Now, in marriage, it is expected that a man love his wife unconditionally even when she is not looking so beautiful as she used to, even if the sex wasn't as good as it used to be due to the wide region below. I also believe a woman's submission and respect should be unconditional even if the man can no longer put food on the table, or maybe he becomes sick or impotent or becomes a drunkard.

All these arguments won't be there if couples would just sit down and have a Frank discussion about what is expected of each other in marriage before they tie the knot.

Something like, "pinkie promise I'll always love you no matter what", "pinkie promise I'll always respect and be submissive to you no matter what". And then they both work at it.

No marriage is ever perfect. There'll have to be minor compromises here and there for it to work out. As the couple grows older the marriage becomes more bearable and easier.

Diddyydiva:
If you continue this way you will never marry again.

Learn to love

Ladies and sentiments are like bread and butter.

Who told you I have issues with marrying ?

This shows how gullible many ladies are..so because I write facts mean I don't know how to love and you will be liking the post of pretenders who come online to fool you people.

I don't ass lick so I'm confident enough to say things as they are. ..if I woo you no gree.

Toks2008:


Ladies and sentiments are like bread and butter.

Who told you I have issues with marrying ?

This shows how gullible many ladies are..so because I write facts mean I don't know how to love and you will be liking the post of pretenders who come online to fool you people.

I don't ass lick so I'm confident dough to say things as they are. ..if I woo you no gree.

I guess you missed that part of the bible that says:

Out of the abundance of the heart speaketh the tongue '


Who is the gullible and misleading fellow here sir?

Diddyydiva:
I guess you missed that part of the bible that says:

Out of the abundance of the heart speaketh the tongue '


Who is the gullible and misleading fellow here sir?

Kilagbe kileju? a n wi ru o n wi iru.

Toks2008:


Kilagbe kileju? a n wi ru o n wi iru.

I know you don't like the truth especially when it comes from a lady.....


Its no argument bro just a suggestion

Take care

Diddyydiva:
I know you don't like the truth especially when it comes from a lady.....


Its no argument bro just a suggestion

Take care

What I wrote means you are deviating.

You don't expect a man to love you first before submitting to him.

Even if he does not show you "the type of love" you want....the best you can do is leave him rather than disrespect him.

Is this not clear enough?

Toks2008:


What I wrote means you are deviating.

You don't expect a man to love you first before submitting to him.

Even if he does not show you "the type of love" you want....the best you can do is leave him rather than disrespect him.

Is this not clear enough?

My first quote wasn't based on this thread alone. Most of your posts and threads depict you have something against females.

First comes attraction, then love. If both are meant for each other and they really want their relationship to work there will be compromise. The Man loving her for who she is , The woman submitting to the man irrespective of who does it first.

But love gave this compromise a chance. So love comes first

Toks2008:


As long you want to use logic then you will forever have issues with any man in the area of submission except he is not man enough.

A man says shut up you tell him why must he ask you to shut up then expect a slap from an aggressive type but when you keep shut there is every likelihood that he will apologize to you

See all these threads I create is to help women folks who are the real endangered species in the cruel world of men but to many nland ladies I'm a monster but time will tell.

I will keep shut if he tells me to shut up, but I know some men will not apologize after saying shut up, I've experienced situation like this before....I don't think you're a monster, you definitely have a point but the reality of submission is that it doesn't work for everyone, it doesn't work for some women and some men. That's the world we live in. If something favours someone, it doesn't mean it's going to favour the other. This world is made of variety of ideas, people and so on....God created us humans to think different, to have different ideas and to be creative.

Toks2008:


And the law of natural cohabitation between a man says submit first and you will definitely be treated right.

You talk as though you are a watch dog waiting for signs of maltreatment from the guy for you to stop submitting to him but the words of GOD which you called "unrealistic" says submit in all things and submitting to him he will most likely maintain a proper decorum even if he treats you bad at the moment.

See young lady ..in this present day no reasonable man has time for shits and any lady who decide to prove hard to Crack will be sampled and dumped and by the time the lady goes through the hands of different men she will be forced to learn the hard truth.

A man may treat you bad but your act of submission will eventually reset his brain.

If he maltreats me I can tolerate it and be submissive... but if he doesn't improve or change his ways....I will definitely leave him. Simple! Every human being have a limited to tolerance true or yes?

Miladi:


My beloved OP, I say to you once again that your choice of subject word isn't correct. Servitude instead of submission is the appropriate word that would give meaning to your article. Example of what you did was like writing about white colour whereas you have black colour in mind.

"Some Men" so hush it!!!
Hush it!
"We say things, not the way they are but the way we are"...That's an epitome of you. Your last paragraph: You think everyone who writes is like you, not meaning what they say...
You for all ladies, are BOSSY, RUDE, UNCOUTH. Do you see an iota of submission in yourself?...I see the way you quote thread creators here as though you are one...pfft.
Get off my way and mention please, young lady. With all due respect.

Some guys are Autocratic! Plain Autocratic!

They love to be worshipped!
As for me, I love to be befriended by my wife, even @ 50.
She should fart in my presence without fear.
Submission is a silent word where TRUE LOVE lives.

That's me. Today, tomorrow, forever.

Cheers!

lilmax:
this guy is right but what I don't get is why he created it

Same reason every writer; creative writer puts up an article: Via Observation, Deep thinking etc.

You are free to think what you think.

Toks2008:


First and foremost I never labeled you as unsound so stop the blackmail.

Now let me hint you about the mystery of submission.

Go and do your findings and I mean serious research and it will blow your mind that only a minute fraction out of 100 men will treat a submissive eoman badly.

The problem us that most ladies have been brainwashed to believe in tit for tat even in marriage.

To Kemi her husband may not deserve her submission because she asks for money and he could not provide....for titi maybe her hubby lasts just 2 minutes in bed and that is a ground for disrespect and fir shade it could be his drinking habit that has made her stop submitting to him.

We tend to hear stories of many ladies claiming lack of love but before you call the guy names please find out and you will be amazed that at a point the lady decides to disrespect him.

I don't know how advanced you are in age but I have seen things and I have mediated in many relationship scuffle and in every 9 out of 10 cases it is always the lady that faltered.

If you'd husband does not show you the required love that is not a reason to disrespect him...if you want to leave please do....this is the part you are missing

Men are naturally programed to love a submissive woman

and men are natural program to find a woman, to woo a woman, to ask a woman out or propose, not the other way around

the husband has to be loving n respectful to deserve a submissive woman...nothing less

emusmithy:

"Some Men" so hush it!!!
Hush it!
"We say things, not the way they are but the way we are"...That's an epitome of you. Your last paragraph: You think everyone who writes is like you, not meaning what they say...
You for all ladies, are BOSSY, RUDE, UNCOUTH. Do you see an iota of submission in yourself?...I see the way you quote thread creators here as though you are one...pfft.
Get off my way and mention please, young lady. With all due respect.

Citing this gibberish you wrote now, you have shown that you're a typical example of a petty man, which I narrated in my first post on here. If exercising my freewill means insurbodination to you, then you're sure a petty man, I say.

Next time, before you make a thread, make sure that you knows what you intend writing before penning it down. Teacher, don't teach me nonsense.

Now run along and look for your mates elsewhere. I don't join issues with anyone - least of petty people.

I think every human being deserve a submissive person whether they are loving, respectful or not. It's called humility. Submittion can do wonders most times tho

ceejayxy:
the husband has to be loving n respectful to deserve a submissive woman...nothing less

Miladi:
@OP, submission is different from servitude. There's no evil in a man expecting an earned submission from his wife. A sane and virtuous woman can never denies his altruistic man his well deserved submission. It takes a responsible man to be altruistic.

Ignorance of law excuses no one. All you wrote up there are balderdash (no insult intended towards your person). Your choice of subject word is what made it a balderdash. There's nothing wrong with anyone be it man or woman, but more importantly a man, expecting submission from his wife. The only problem is when a man fails to differentiate submission from servitude, just as you have done here.

Petty men are different from real/altruistic men. Now to the points you raised, I concur. But those attributes are the hallmarks of petty men; they are egomaniacal, predacious and domineering. They have inferiority complex, thus they demands and expects servitude from their women instead of exhibiting strong characters that would earn them their wives submission/respect. They are dictatorial and abhors reason, and denies their women right to exercise their freewill. Even in a circumstance of a decision that would spell doom for them, they had rather live up to a stupid idea just for ego sake, rather than to accept a superior fact from their women.

They are not proponents and practitioners of primus inter pares, rather they are for master-slavery relationship. Also, they don't believe in reciprocation; they expects their women to swallow any form of abuses they meted against them and top it up by worshipping them too. They do no evil.

Submission is good and absolutely mandatory to achieve and sustain a healthy and happy union. But of course, it can't exist on its own; altruism from the man (who's the natural head of the family) must come into been first, before submission from a wife would be expected - organism cannot exist without a membrane.

Wife Material!!!!!!!