Lol you dont know!
Keep on giving me fuel for my fire bruh...

shadeyinka:



The earth is Gods gift to man plus an individual gift of Free Will to every body including both the 2 year old and the rapist. Freewill have consequences of which the rape is one.

[size=18pt]ANSWER THIS: Would there be Freewill if God prevents us from doing every Evil but only allows the good things?[/size]

a simple question for you..
are you saying that he should care/does care more about the rapists freewill to rape than about the the fate of the victims?
i want to ask another question?
[size=18pt]if God perfomed a miracle as the rapist is about carrying his act..how many people's freewill will be interfered with?[/size]

Now, the same you will protest why the God of LOVE should throw an EVIL person into Hell for Eternity! THINK.

will burning the rapist for eternity unrape the little girl?
Will it make her feel fulfiled?

DoctorAlien:


Argumentum ad hominem.

Bro, bye.

Go fuck_ yourself you ignoramous! And kill your pastor while you're at it.

Foolish imp!.

EyeHateGod:

[size=20pt] Tank Him for What? [/size] I thought You said we had Freewill?


[size=20pt] Would there Be Freewill if Everything act Accordingly To Gods plan? [/size]

Even though you didn't answer the question, I will answer yours.

1. Thanking Him is a choice. If you don't, you are not penalized!
2. Part of Gods Perfect Plan is for Humans and Angels to have free will with ALL its attendant consequence

I guess you didn't read my post:

shadeyinka:


Thanksgiving is part of freewill!
I can choose to thank God for the general favours like air, food, health....If I don't, God will not withdraw them. So, I use my freewill to thank Him anyway!

NOW, Please Answer this question.

ANSWER THIS: Would there be Freewill if God prevents us from doing every Evil but only allows the good things?

raphieMontella:
Lol you dont know!
Keep on giving me fuel for my fire bruh...

a simple question for you..
are you saying that he should care/does care more about the rapists freewill to rape than about the the fate of the victims?
i want to ask another question?
[size=18pt]if God perfomed a miracle as the rapist is about carrying his act..how many people's freewill will be interfered with?[/size]


will burning the rapist for eternity unrape the little girl?
Will it make her feel fulfiled?

The consequence of freewill is all and encompassing. This same Freewill can cause man to perform the ultimate sacrifice in doing GOOD or commit the gravest Evil.

Freewill simply means Freewill!

SalomonKane:
Humans have shown their zest to be corrupt, this we've seen number without times, especially in a country like ours.

Religious folks, many of them look up to God for comfort and security, and most times if not all the time, he doesn't provide it.

No man knows all. Any who believes he knows all is foolish.

Tell that to atheists.

shadeyinka:



The consequence of freewill is all and encompassing. This same Freewill can cause man to perform the ultimate sacrifice in doing GOOD or commit the gravest Evil.

Freewill simply means Freewill!

raphieMontella:
a simple question for you..
are you saying that he should care/does
care more about the rapists freewill to rape
than about the the fate of the victims?

---

i want to ask another question?

if God perfomed a miracle as the rapist is
about carrying his act..how many people's
freewill will be interfered with at that moment?

HardMirror:

After all your worthless blabberings you failed to address the op. Imagine your 2 year old daughter was raped in the presence of your dad and your dad did nothing to stop the rapist. Now is god not present when little children are being raped? Why does he not save them. Many of them wld have been crying to God but he just watches and enjoys the show since he has no data to download porn

Can you be honest for once in your life? Just once!
Why does god not save little children from rapists?
Answer me and stop all the rants about atheists cos I don't care what u think of me all I want are sincere answers

Your stupidity is frightening and I will not dignify your hopeless yammering with a response.

HardMirror:

Glad you noticed that too. And some people say this girl is intelligent. Hmmm woman wrappering will kill some guys.

Her post made zero sense.

Simple question. Why will a father (God) be where a child is being raped and do nothing.

Abi o.

Ishilove:

Your stupidity is frightening and I will not dignify your hopeless yammering with a response.

Answer simple question all this grammar won't Get you anywhere

Ishilove:

Tell that to atheists.

LOL.

raphieMontella:



raphieMontella:
a simple question for you..
are you saying that he should care/does
care more about the rapists freewill to rape
than about the the fate of the victims?

Freewill has serious consequences!
And Grace is not earned!
Favour is given NOT because of who you are or what you've done.

---

raphieMontella:

i want to ask another question?

if God perfomed a miracle as the rapist is
about carrying his act..how many people's
freewill will be interfered with at that moment?

No one receives grace simply because he's a child!

Ishilove:

Your stupidity is frightening and I will not dignify your hopeless yammering with a response.

Are u thru?
All this evasive tactics won't work.
Obviously you have nothing reasonable to say.

Imagine you have a 2 year old daughter and you leave her in care of your able bodied Dad, and this your daughter got raped right in the presence of your dad and your dad did nothing to stop the rape. How wld your feel about such a father.

God our supposed loving father and all powerful seats back and watches millions of children get raped every year. God is all present, he is always there while the rape is going on. Why does he not do anything to stop it?

Can you defend your biological father if he was the one in that situation. Will you smile and say "dad, I am proud of you"?

Now address the OP not me.

Thank you

Ishilove:

Tell that to atheists.

You have made 4 or more comments so far yet you did not deem it fit to address the OP. This is a very important topic. Over 40million rape cases involving children under the age of 12. Many under 5 years old are raped every year. What wld be your reaction to know that a father stands back and watch the rapists do their thing and he does nothing to stop it even tho he has the power to. How wld you feel if it was ur daughter and your dad was right there in the same room. Imagine your dad even has a gun with him and he does nothing. Is that how an all loving and all powerful father shld do?

Let us insult each other later. For now address the OP.

Mimzyy:
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So why does this your God allow children to be raped? If it was your father in the same room where the rape took place how wld you feel abt such a father?

HardMirror:

So why does this your God allow children to be raped? If it was your father in the same room where the rape took place how wld you feel abt such a father?

I Honestly do not have a befitting response to the issue you have raised as it is very sensitive one. There are so many unanswered questions but in all, I have chosen my path and you have chosen yours hence the quote I posted. I wish you well.

Have you watched Bruce Almighty(2003) ?

Mimzyy:


I Honestly do not have a befitting response to the issue you have raised as it is very sensitive one. There are so many unanswered questions but in all, I have chosen my path and you have chosen yours hence the quote I posted. I wish you well.

Have you watched Bruce Almighty(2003) ?

Thank you jare unlike one girl called ishilove busy ranting everywhere.
Yes I have chosen my path because of situations like this. How can we claim there is an all loving God that is all present and all powerful. Yet he does nothing and allows little children get raped. Something is wrong and I think it is safe to assume it is because such a God does not exist

If we are to take the movie "bruce almighty" serious then it means God is not all powerful and that means if that is God's excuse for messing up, how can we trust him to make heaven perfect? We are talking god here not a hollywood movie. Get real.

Found this and I thought to share...


"LET ME EXPLAIN THE problem science has with Jesus Christ." The atheist professor of philosophy pauses before his class and then asks one of his new students to stand. "You're a Christian, aren't you, son?"

"Yes, sir."

"So you believe in God?"

"Absolutely."

"Is God good?"

"Sure! God's good."

"Is God all-powerful? Can God do anything?"

"Yes."

"Are you good or evil?"

"The Bible says I'm evil."

The professor grins knowingly. "Ahh! THE BIBLE!" He considers for a moment. "Here's one for you. Let's say there's a sick person over here and you can cure him. You can do it. Would you help them? Would you try?"

"Yes sir, I would."

"So you're good...!"

"I wouldn't say that."

"Why not say that? You would help a sick and maimed person if you could... in fact most of us would if we could...God doesn't." [No answer.] "He doesn't, does he? My brother was a Christian who died of cancer even though he prayed to Jesus to heal him. How is this Jesus good? Hmmm? Can you answer that one?" [No answer] The elderly man is sympathetic. "No, you can't, can you?" He takes a sip of water from a glass on his desk to give the student time to relax. In philosophy, you have to go easy with the new ones. "Let's start again, young fella.....Is God good?"

"Er... Yes."

"Is Satan good?"

"No."

"Where does Satan come from?"

The student falters. "From... God..."

"That's right. God made Satan, didn't he?" The elderly man runs his bony fingers through his thinning hair and turns to the smirking, student audience. "I think we're going to have a lot of fun this semester, ladies and gentlemen." He turns back to the Christian. "Tell me, son. Is there evil in this world?"

"Yes, sir."

"Evil's everywhere, isn't it? Did God make everything?"

"Yes."

"Who created evil? [No answer] "Is there sickness in this world? Immorality? Hatred? Ugliness? All the terrible things - do they exist in this world? "

The student squirms on his feet. "Yes."

"Who created them?" [No answer] The professor suddenly shouts at his student. "WHO CREATED THEM? TELL ME, PLEASE!" The professor closes in for the kill and climbs into the Christian's face. In a still small voice: "God created all evil, didn't He, son?" [No answer]

The student tries to hold the steady, experienced gaze and fails. Suddenly the lecturer breaks away to pace the front of the classroom like an aging panther. The class is mesmerized. "Tell me," he continues, "how is it that this God is good if He created all evil throughout all time?" The professor swishes his arms around to encompass the wickedness of the world. "All the hatred, the brutality, all the pain, all the torture, all the death and ugliness and all the suffering created by this good God is all over the world, isn't it, young man?" [No answer] "Don't you see it all over the place? Huh?" [Pause] "Don't you?" The professor leans into the student's face again and whispers, "Is God good?" [No answer] "Do you believe in Jesus Christ, son?"

The student's voice betrays him and cracks. "Yes, professor. I do."

The old man shakes his head sadly. "Science says you have five senses you use to identify and observe the world around you. Have you ever seen your Jesus?"

"No, sir. I've never seen Him."

"Then tell us if you've ever heard your Jesus?"

"No, sir. I have not."

"Have you ever felt your Jesus, tasted your Jesus or smelt your Jesus...in fact, do you have any sensory perception of your God whatsoever?" [No answer] "Answer me, please."

"No, sir, I'm afraid I haven't."

"You're AFRAID...you haven't?"

"No, sir."

"Yet you still believe in him?"

"...Yes..."

"That takes FAITH!" The professor smiles sagely at the underling. "According to the rules of empirical, testable, demonstrable protocol, science says your God doesn't exist. What do you say to that, son? Where is your God now?" [The student doesn't answer] "Sit down, please."

The Christian sits...Defeated.



Another Christian raises his hand. "Professor, may I address the class?"

The professor turns and smiles. "Ah, another Christian in the vanguard! Come, come, young man. Speak some proper wisdom to the gathering."

The Christian looks around the room. "Some interesting points you are making, sir. Now I've got a question for you. Is there such thing as heat?"

"Yes," the professor replies. "There's heat."

"Is there such a thing as cold?"

"Yes, son, there's cold too."

"No, sir, there isn't."

The professor's grin freezes. The room suddenly goes very cold.

The second Christian continues. "You can have lots of heat, even more heat, super-heat, mega-heat, white heat, a little heat or no heat but we don't have anything called 'cold'. We can hit 458 degrees below zero, which is no heat, but we can't go any further after that. There is no such thing as cold, otherwise we would be able to go colder than 458 - You see, sir, cold is only a word we use to describe the absence of heat. Because heat is energy. Cold is not the opposite of heat, sir, just..," [Silence fills the room] "...the absence of it." [More silence. A pin drops somewhere in the classroom.] "Is there such a thing as darkness, professor?"

"That's a dumb question, son. What is night if it isn't darkness? What are you getting at...?"

"So you say there is such a thing as darkness?"

"Yes..."

"You're wrong again, sir. Darkness is not something, it is the absence of something. You can have low light, normal light, bright light, flashing light but if you have no light constantly you have nothing and it's called darkness, isn't it? That's the meaning we use to define the word. In reality, Darkness isn't. If it were, you would be able to make darkness darker and give me a jar of it. Can you...give me a jar of darker darkness, professor?"

Despite himself, the professor smiles at the young effrontery before him. This will indeed be a good semester. "Would you mind telling us what your point is, young man?"

"Yes, professor. My point is, your philosophical premise is flawed to start with and so your conclusion must be in error...."

The professor goes toxic. "Flawed...? How dare you...!"

"Sir, may I explain what I mean?" The class is all ears.

"Explain...oh explain..." The professor makes an admirable effort to regain control. Suddenly he is affability itself. He waves his hand to silence the class, for the student to continue.

"You are working on the premise of duality," the Christian explains. "That for example there is life and then there's death; a good God and a bad God. You are viewing the concept of God as something finite, something we can measure. Sir, science cannot even explain a thought. It uses electricity and magnetism but has never seen, much less fully understood them. To view death as the opposite of life is to be ignorant of the fact that death cannot exist as a substantive thing. Death is not the opposite of life, merely the absence of it."

The young man holds up a newspaper he takes from the desk of a neighbor who has been reading it. "Here is one of the most disgusting tabloids this country hosts, professor. Is there such a thing as immorality?"

"Of course there is, now look..."

"Wrong again, sir. You see, immorality is merely the absence of morality. Is there such thing as injustice? No. Injustice is the absence of justice. Is there such a thing as evil?" The Christian pauses. "Isn't evil the absence of good?" [The teacher is temporarily speechless.] The Christian continues. "If there is evil in the world, professor, and we all agree there is, then God, if he exists, must be accomplishing a work through the agency of evil. What is that work, God is accomplishing? The Bible tells us it is to see if each one of us will, of our own free will, choose good over evil."

The professor bridles. "As a philosophical scientist, I don't view this matter as having anything to do with any choice; as a realist, I absolutely do not recognize the concept of God or any other theological factor as being part of the world equation because God is not observable."

"I would have thought that the absence of God's moral code in this world is probably one of the most observable phenomena going," the Christian replies. "Newspapers make billions of dollars reporting it every week! Tell me, professor. Do you teach your students that they evolved from a monkey?"

"If you are referring to the natural evolutionary process, young man, yes, of course I do."

"Have you ever observed evolution with your own eyes, sir?" [The professor makes a sucking sound with his teeth and gives his student a silent, stony stare.] "Professor. Since no-one has ever observed the process of evolution at work and cannot even prove that this process is an ongoing endeavor, are you not teaching your opinion, sir? Are you now not a scientist, but a priest?"

"I'll overlook your impudence in the light of our philosophical discussion. Now, have you quite finished?" the professor hisses.

"So you don't accept God's moral code to do what is righteous?"

"I believe in what is-that's science!"

"Ahh! SCIENCE!" the student's face splits into a grin. "Sir, you rightly state that science is the study of observed phenomena. Science too is a premise which is flawed..."

"SCIENCE IS FLAWED?" the professor splutters. The class is in uproar.

The Christian remains standing until the commotion has subsided. "To continue the point you were making earlier to the other student, may I give you an example of what I mean?" [The professor wisely keeps silent.] The Christian looks around the room. "Is there anyone in the class who has ever seen the professor's brain?" The class breaks out in laughter.The Christian points towards his elderly, crumbling tutor. "Is there anyone here who has ever heard the professor's brain...felt the professor's brain, touched or smelt the professor's brain?" No one appears to have done so. The Christian shakes his head sadly. "It appears no-one here has had any sensory perception of the professor's brain whatsoever. Well, according to the rules of empirical, stable, demonstrable protocol, science, I DECLARE that the professor has no brain."

I dont understand this your circumlocation oo

shadeyinka:

Freewill has serious consequences! And Grace is not earned! Favour is given NOT because of who you are or what you've done.

---

No one receives grace simply because he's a child!

raphieMontella:


raphieMontella: a simple question for you.. are you saying that he should care/does cares more about the rapists freewill to rape than about the the fate of the victims?

---

i want to ask another question? if God perfomed a miracle as the rapist is about carrying his act..how many people's freewill will be interfered with at that moment?

this is the simple questions i asked o...

HardMirror:

Thank you jare unlike one girl called ishilove busy ranting everywhere.
Yes I have chosen my path because of situations like this. How can we claim there is an all loving God that is all present and all powerful. Yet he does nothing and allows little children get raped. Something is wrong and I think it is safe to assume it is because such a God does not exist

If we are to take the movie "bruce almighty" serious then it means God is not all powerful and that means if that is God's excuse for messing up, how can we trust him to make heaven perfect? We are talking god here not a hollywood movie. Get real.

Mimzyy address this. Leave other things for now. Why does god stand back and allow rape of children. Try and imagine all the angels and god and jesus watching as millions of children are raped every year.

EyeHateGod:
Answer simple question all this grammar won't Get you anywhere

MAYBE ITS BECAUSE SHE DOESN'T HAVE A DAUGHTER.. OR SHE'S JUST PLAIN DUMB.

raphieMontella:
I dont understand this your circumlocation oo


this is the simple questions i asked o...

I have already answered you.

shadeyinka:



I have already answered you.

no you have not.. And its clear for everyone to see...

raphieMontella:


raphieMontella: a simple question for you.. are you saying that he should care/does care more about the rapists freewill to rape than about the the fate of the victims?

---

i want to ask another question? if God perfomed a miracle as the rapist is about carrying his act..how many people's freewill will be interfered with at that moment?

so please answer me and stop the circumlocation..

.

classicB:

God will not come down from heaven to prevent kids from getting raped. There are so many factors associated with rape. The most annoying one is trust, when you trust someone enough with your kid and they turn back to harm your child more so we do not have Strict law enforcement regarding child rape. Anything goes here and we cannot blame God for that.

why would God need come down from heaven when he is supposed to be everywhr, God was with the girl wen she was raped. wasn't he?

raphieMontella:

no you have not..
And its clear for everyone to see...
so please answer me and stop the circumlocation..

1. I have answered you! Put in other words God is NOT moved by anyone's Fate on Earth not Even Jesus on the Cross. Except you received Grace you must be subject to the curse of mans inhumanity to man which is a function of freewill!

2. God will actually have to intervene several million times a day to prevent men from succeeding in exercising their freewill. Then, there would be no free will

After experiencing freewill, If God gives you another chance to make a choice between being Absolutely Free or Being a Robot what will you choose?

DoctorAlien:
Otemanuduno,

Jehovah is GOD. Lucifer is Satan(adversary).

1. I don't know what you call long life but GOD Himself shortened the days of man. Also, Abel, Zechariah, Jesus, were all murdered/had their life cut short. Jehovah doesn't promise long life in this sin-cursed world, but He promises eternal life in Heaven.

2. Refer to the apostles.

3. All these promises came on conditions, I believe. Moreover, GOD's ways are higher than ours.


4. GOD can grow the leg of an amputee. He raised people from the dead, parted the red sea and spreads out the Heavens.


5. The wealth of this world is deceitful. The Psalmist asked GOD not to give him too much wealth, lest he lose sight of Him, and not to let him lack, lest he steal and bring shame to GOD's name. GOD provides our daily bread. That is enough for us.

At the bolded, all these claims and other wonders that was said to be performed by Yaweh are all in an ancient book.
can't he do the same in our present time?

When all claims about someone lies in the past and are unverifiable....begin to doubt that book

Exaggerated stories and events, passed down from generation to generation.

CAPSLOCKED:




YOU'RE OVER STRESSING YOURSELF, THESE PEOPLE THINK RAPE MEANS SHARING BISCUITS AND CANDY TO KIDS.

****

****. If the story was true and it was actually my dad at the scene of the crime, they wld have reacted differently. Calling him irresponsible and useless, but when they realized this is true and god is guilty of this, they quickly attack atheists as unreasonable while conveniently ignoring the facts

Good!..we are getting somewhere

shadeyinka:


1. I have answered you! Put in other words God is NOT moved by anyone's Fate on Earth not Even Jesus on the Cross. Except you received Grace you must be subject to the curse of mans inhumanity to man which is a function of freewill!

forget jesus...the death of jesus was his plan..since before earth was created 1peter 1:20...
Now to the question,,your answers kills off God as presented from the bible...

2. God will actually have to intervene several million times a day to prevent men from succeeding in exercising their freewill. Then, there would be no free will

so when he does miracles nko?
Does he not interfere with it?
Remember the miracles in the bible?
Now back to the question..
Is the little child not being assaulted against her [size=18pt]will?(freewill)[/size]
i need a simple answer...

After experiencing freewill, If God gives you another chance to make a choice between being Absolutely Free or Being a Robot what will you choose?

freewill doesnt have to be a myopic Good and Bad...
Freewill can be a variation of Good choices..
Eg..im going to a business meeting...and i see a stranded girl on the road..
1)i can choose to give her a lift to her location in my car
2) i can choose to give her money for her tfare.
3) i can choose to call her parents to notify them
4)i can call someone else(a friend) to help me do the job since im late for the meeting
5) i can take her to the nearest police station etc...
You have the will to choose between any of these choices and its still FREEWILL..
Shey there is no Bad in heaven?
Does it mean you wont have freewill there?

HardMirror:

Take a look at doctoralien's posts on this thread, be honest, does he sound intelligent?

lwkd


The answer is No!