shadeyinka:


Wow!
Demons may latch on to acts of masturbation. I don't think that it is in every case that demons take advantage of the act of masturbation. But it does happen and a person becomes addicted.

People think of demons in terms of hideous possessions that afflict an individual but no! Some demonic afflictions are relatively mild looking in their activities But act as door openers to more powerful demonsbof destructions.

Check out Peter who just finished declaring through the Holy Spirit that Jesus was the Son of God five minutes after , Jesus referee/called the same Peter (or actually the spirit speaking through him) "Satan"! get thee behind Me.

Mat 16:23 But he turned, and said unto Peter, Get thee behind me, Satan: thou art an offence unto me: for thou savourest not the things that be of God, but those that be of men.

However, today, we are not discussing demonic afflictions.

In the case if formication, the Bible says;


The way I see it is transfer of spirits from one person to the other. Like spiritual HIV. Becoming one signifies sharing a part of your spiritual nature. If one of the parties harbour some demons, a few may relocate to their new house.

If guys hear some of this kind of confessions exposed during deliverance, when that see a free of charge. They will pick race. They are destiny destroyers.

I expect that demonic infection which could take place in fornication can be more terrible and dangerous in their activities.

Flee! Fornication!
Your bright destiny may be at stake

Ok sir, thank you.

analice107:

I dey fear fornication.

Its a healthy fear. I am married but, I still pick race when I notice some unholy advertisement. I don't wait to confirm o!

Gombs:



If I have a fiancée... Is it alright to allow her do them laundry and chores and kitchen?


NB:
No "the other room" stuff

It is certainly not a sin but should be discouraged. Let her be Mrs You when you get married to her. Of course, if she decides to do that for you once in a very blue moon, she has not done anything wrong.

But, she must be the initiator and not you. And I repeat for emphasis once in a very very blue moon.

Gombs:



Why then does the church recognize traditional marriage?


Any ideas?

Traditional wedding is a real wedding. There is nothing wrong with it as long as it doesn't violate the scriptures. And that is because God recognises it as valed.

Abraham did traditional wedding for Isaac his son. Jacobs marriage was traditional etc. There were no levetical priests then.

I however encourage children of God to get married in the church. Something as important as marriage must invite the presence of God. They may not mention the name of Jesus once in a traditional wedding .

Be joined together in the church!

Gombs:


You didn't answer the kweshun na.

On a serious note. If am courting a guy and he happens to be very busy or cant cook, I will cook and stock for him, i will do his laundry.

Many Christian marriages are stressing because
1. No divine guidance.
2. No relationship between the two people. Relationship doesn't entails coital.

Any born again Christian who knows that breaking the hedge brings the serpent in shd know what awaits her when she goes in proper.

If i find my person, not strong enough to apply self control, then that shd tell me that, at that point in time, he most likely have someone he is involved with and may still "likely" do it out there even wen we marry.

These closeness is necessary to spot out these flaws which are not communicated.

In one of the threads here, a guy posted a comment saying, a girl he wanted to marry pressured him so much into coital relationship, but he refused, until the lady showed him a miss interpreted scripture taken out of context, and he fell. Satan taking up any form to pull God's people down.
See manipulation? If couples are distant, these kind of pretence wont be noticed.

shadeyinka:


It is certainly not a sin but should be discouraged. Let her be Mrs You when you get married to her. Of course, if she decides to do that for you once in a very blue moon, she has not done anything wrong.

But, she must be the initiator and not you. And I repeat for emphasis once in a very very blue moon.

But sir some ladies are extremely homely and are automatically programmed to just take over the running and cleaning of the home front even as fiances and would feel discouraged or sad if not allowed to do so...cook, clean and decorate...They probably already view the home as theirs so are just in a settling in mode pending when they finally take their vows but i think that such ladies should be encouraged to do what makes them happy but the guy should probably try to make himself scarce when she decides to take up these chores as admiration can create affection and affection when not properly handled can cause a reaction so The Christian brother being the driver and intended groom should dictate the pace by knowing when to be scarce and when not to be or give her guidelines that she could come and clean and do other stuff while he is at work or something like that....at least both of them should be able to discuss and arrive at a compromise afterall its still going to be her home eventually. Or am i wrong sir?

shadeyinka:


Its a healthy fear. I am married but, I still pick race when I notice some unholy advertisement. I don't wait to confirm o!

That sin throws one deep down into a very deep dark pit. Abeg, no, i no want.

4everGod:



My opinion is this...Courtship is sometimes involuntary and unconsciously done whether we want to or not. Courtship does not neccessarily mean the marriage would not hold as that is not the purpose of it but as long as both of you did not meet today and get married today there will always be a period of FRIENDSHIP which is said to be COURTSHIP.

It could also be that both persons have already known each other and have been friends and by inner conviction got to know that they are meant to be together then by all means nothing stops you from tying the knot.

I once read here on Nairaland about a man who proposed and got married to a lady same day so nothing is impossible. However a lot of wrong emphasis has been placed on seeking the mind of God and praying about your partner if he or she is the right one and this process can drag for a month or 2 according to whoever gave the instruction but to me this is wrong as the only condition given in scripture for a union to occur is that both of you must be believers...as long as that is the case then that is the mind of God for you. This is not saying that God cannot speak to you directly about whom your spouse is...He does but my point is this...why seek for more when you can already see?

Courtship should be the decision of both intended couples and not imposed by any one. These days we see more cases of divorce even in the face of courtship while in the days of our fathers there was no courtship as some did not even know their spouses before marriage and their marriages lasted till death parted them but today wrong values and has eroded such realities.

I share this same opinion of yours, but our religious leaders has made most christians believe more in the courtship than the fundamental give and take in love

Ranchhoddas:
*applause*

*batting my eye lids *

shadeyinka:


Traditional wedding is a real wedding. There is nothing wrong with it as long as it doesn't violate the scriptures. And that is because God recognises it as valed.

Abraham did traditional wedding for Isaac his son. Jacobs marriage was traditional etc. There were no levetical priests then.

I however encourage children of God to get married in the church. Something as important as marriage must invite the presence of God. They may not mention the name of Jesus once in a traditional wedding .

Be joined together in the church!

Most Traditional marriages today Pastors pray for the couples immediately the parent prays for them. In a situation where a Pastor is there to haul prayers of me, can i...?

analice107:

Ok sir, thank you.

Thanks for the helpful contributions.
Stay Blessed

analice107:

On a serious note. If am courting a guy and he happens to be very busy or cant cook, I will cook and stock for him, i will do his laundry.

Although, my question would be that, before you came into his life, how was he coping? Wasn't he eating? Wasn't he doing his laundries?

Yea! Hot love is still at work! There is a temptation to want to take over caring for him. But slow down, you will do that taya! LOL

Like I said in a similar post above, yes you can do that once in a very very blue moon and at your discretion. But a regular thing? No! Not even when it is once in a month.

Its not just for your sake but for younger weaker sisters who would misinterpret your homeliness for an example to live with her bro in sin.

analice107:

Many Christian marriages are stressing because
1. No divine guidance.
2. No relationship between the two people. Relationship doesn't entails coital.

A good courtship is build on strong communication, setting of goals and knowledge of what Love really is. The purpose of courtship is prayerfully planning out the details of how your marriage would be run. Its like building a house. A couple may date for 4years yet have only 2 months cumulative of courtship.

Trust me, with good communication, everything you need to know will surface. Learn to Build love and submission.

analice107:

Any born again Christian who knows that breaking the hedge brings the serpent in shd know what awaits her when she goes in proper.

If i find my person, not strong enough to apply self control, then that shd tell me that, at that point in time, he most likely have someone he is involved with and may still "likely" do it out there even wen we marry.

I perfectly agree with you.

analice107:

These closeness is necessary to spot out these flaws which are not communicated.

My problem is actually the definition of closeness! How do you know you are close enough. I tell you, it is in communication. It is the alter on which every relationship is made or broken.

Closeness is not in activity but in good strong open communication.

If courtship is to find the flaws, then its already too late cause it meant that your choice was wrong all along. I advocate being sure to a large extent before going into courtship. Of course, a good communication will expose a lot of weakness. Some weaknesses will be minor and some major. The major weakness usually will destroy the joy of marriage. So, it is better making sure of the foundation rather than the painting.

Painting can be redone, but not the foundation. I hope you will ask a question about this foundation. I don't want it to be lost in this long write up.

analice107:

In one of the threads here, a guy posted a comment saying, a girl he wanted to marry pressured him so much into coital relationship, but he refused, until the lady showed him a miss interpreted scripture taken out of context, and he fell. Satan taking up any form to pull God's people down.
See manipulation? If couples are distant, these kind of pretence wont be noticed.

In perfect agreement. Long distance relationships need 10 times the work and investment needed in a close distance relationship. But like I said, make sure first of the foundation before you even begin a courtship.

BUT
A broken courtship is 100 times better than a broken Marriage.

4everGod:


But sir some ladies are extremely homely and are automatically programmed to just take over the running and cleaning of the home front even as fiances and would feel discouraged or sad if not allowed to do so...cook, clean and decorate...They probably already view the home as theirs so are just in a settling in mode pending when they finally take their vows but i think that such ladies should be encouraged to do what makes them happy but the guy should probably try to make himself scarce when she decides to take up these chores as admiration can create affection and affection when not properly handled can cause a reaction so The Christian brother being the driver and intended groom should dictate the pace by knowing when to be scarce and when not to be or give her guidelines that she could come and clean and do other stuff while he is at work or something like that....at least both of them should be able to discuss and arrive at a compromise afterall its still going to be her home eventually. Or am i wrong sir?

Like I said earlier, it is NOT a sin BUT she should not turn it into a routine. Once in a while may be OK!

She isn't married to you no matter what! Let her hold her peace and do just the minimal.

For instance, she comes to visit, nothing stops her from cooking the lunch for both of you. If she feels your house is unkept, nothing stops her from helping you to tidy up things.

But the point is , it is NOT her duty YET! She musnt turn it into a routine.

I know that love is hot at this stage but trust me, she will do the work taya after marriage so let her exercise patience.

Now, suppose she is not the homely type, would you break the relationship because of that?

One of the reasons why this should be minimized is not because of you but because of weaker faiths who might assume that if she can be doing wifely duties it means that she must also be doing the bedroom duties.

1Co 8:13 Wherefore, if meat make my brother to offend, I will eat no flesh while the world standeth, lest I make my brother to offend.

rhektor:





I share this same opinion of yours, but our religious leaders has made most christians believe more in the courtship than the fundamental give and take in love

Well real love has no give and take...real love is all about giving and is not bothered about what it gets. If anyone attaches the condition of what to get out of love before they love then that foundation is wrong.

No couple can exemplify true love without the help of the spirit of God! Love begets love as what you sow is what you would reap but placing a condition to your love is wrong and measuring love in marriage is also wrong like some couples do sometimes when they say things like "you too clean the house I have been doing it for the past 2 weeks or how much do you give me? My friends husband loves her so much that he gives her 5 times what you give me for food monthly". Such a marriage is doomed!

Our fathers knew this so always taught CONTENTMENT in marriage but today we are seeing something else.

analice107:

Most Traditional marriages today Pastors pray for the couples immediately the parent prays for them. In a situation where a Pastor is there to haul prayers of me, can i...?

If after the traditional wedding, there is no more wedding ceremony, fire on. But as long as there is still a wedding ceremony to be done (church wedding) sorry, ya waiting and endurance continues!

analice107:

That sin throws one deep down into a very deep dark pit. Abeg, no, i no want.

As a young guy, two of my very spiritually strong brothers in the Lord fell into fornication while they were courting. The experience is terrible for him who fears God.

Satan always times it for a believer. On that day, something will fail, pregnancy results and then the other temptation of sacrificing of an innocent soul on the alter of the idol called abortion surfaces.

Serious Christians are the ones who normal get into trouble.

I remember some years ago when my wife and I were invited to a church for a marriage seminar. We spoke that day on sexual purity in courtship. When it was question time, one brother from the back raised up his hands to ask the question.

"Can you two say before God and Man that you never sleptnwith each other while courting?"
He obviously felt that it we were talking theory..with smiles on our faces, we answered him that we never slept with each other. But we wondered, supposed it had happens just once, would we had lied before God and Man?

analice107:

Wow. Marriage lesson 101. Am happy i came in here. thank you.

I am glad you contributed so much. Lots of people will learn from this

analice107:


What brings demons into Masturbation sir?

If demons are unleashed during Masturbation, aren't they suppose to also be unleashed during fornication?

I agree with shadeyinka on this and with a practical demonstration.

There are people, am sure most people have experienced in their life whose presence brings peace to the people around them. Some people come around and the room is filled with joy. Others just look at you and you get anxious, fearful, you feel beat down, etc. That is a demonstration of the powers at work in an individual's spirit. It is spiritual, and is as shadeyinka said of demons, infectious.

Now there are people with a sexually perverse spirits. Not all people. The moment you think about them in a lustful way or you watch them (which is where pornography comes in) their perverse spirit gets access into your spirit. That is what addiction is. It's when a perverse spirit is at work in your life. That's why Jesus said lusting is fornication. It's because of the corruption of the spirit that happens immediately.

To be on the safe side, it's always good to ask God to reveal the spirits of potential spouses to you. The perverted are the people you may dream of as trying to rape you, or you dream of them engaging in lustful activities.

That's just the spiritual angle of lust. Remember all men and women are spirits first. And this applies to people outside and within church too.

analice107:

On a serious note. If am courting a guy and he happens to be very busy or cant cook, I will cook and stock for him, i will do his laundry.

Many Christian marriages are stressing because
1. No divine guidance.
2. No relationship between the two people. Relationship doesn't entails coital.

Any born again Christian who knows that breaking the hedge brings the serpent in shd know what awaits her when she goes in proper.

If i find my person, not strong enough to apply self control, then that shd tell me that, at that point in time, he most likely have someone he is involved with and may still "likely" do it out there even wen we marry.

These closeness is necessary to spot out these flaws which are not communicated.

In one of the threads here, a guy posted a comment saying, a girl he wanted to marry pressured him so much into coital relationship, but he refused, until the lady showed him a miss interpreted scripture taken out of context, and he fell. Satan taking up any form to pull God's people down.
See manipulation? If couples are distant, these kind of pretence wont be noticed.

Thanks


Shadeyinka... You didn't tell me why, this is a better position.

Thanks again.

4everGod:



My opinion is this...Courtship is sometimes involuntary and unconsciously done whether we want to or not. Courtship does not neccessarily mean the marriage would not hold as that is not the purpose of it but as long as both of you did not meet today and get married today there will always be a period of FRIENDSHIP which is said to be COURTSHIP.

It could also be that both persons have already known each other and have been friends and by inner conviction got to know that they are meant to be together then by all means nothing stops you from tying the knot.

I once read here on Nairaland about a man who proposed and got married to a lady same day so nothing is impossible. However a lot of wrong emphasis has been placed on seeking the mind of God and praying about your partner if he or she is the right one and this process can drag for a month or 2 according to whoever gave the instruction but to me this is wrong as the only condition given in scripture for a union to occur is that both of you must be believers...as long as that is the case then that is the mind of God for you. This is not saying that God cannot speak to you directly about whom your spouse is...He does but my point is this...why seek for more when you can already see?

Courtship should be the decision of both intended couples and not imposed by any one. These days we see more cases of divorce even in the face of courtship while in the days of our fathers there was no courtship as some did not even know their spouses before marriage and their marriages lasted till death parted them but today wrong values and has eroded such realities.

I agree with you.
Courtship is the time interval between when the marriage proposal is made and the time the wedding is conducted.

However, a courtship may be wasted OR properly utilized to grow the foundations of a successful marriage

rhektor:





I share this same opinion of yours, but our religious leaders has made most christians believe more in the courtship than the fundamental give and take in love

What most preachers advocate is not courtship but dating.

Dating needn't be with any real commitment. Dating to me is when a couple "test" their compatibility or suitability for marriage.

Maybe I am conservative but I don't believe in dating to find out if you can marry a person or not.

I strongly believe that any two "Spirit Filled" Christian couple can get married and have a beautiful marriage UNLESS God says NO!

Although, I dissagree with Love as a "give and take". Love is a Give and Give and Give and Give again without demanding a reciprocal action.

It is however much easier if both parties give each others 100% to the relationship then bliss will result.

However, 50:50? No! Love isn't made like that in marriage. I guess I will have to define love somewhere don't n the line.

Success in marriage is actually WORK! Serious work! It doesn't happen by accident!

4everGod:



Well real love has no give and take...real love is all about giving and is not bothered about what it gets. If anyone attaches the condition of what to get out of love before they love then that foundation is wrong.

No couple can exemplify true love without the help of the spirit of God! Love begets love as what you sow is what you would reap but placing a condition to your love is wrong and measuring love in marriage is also wrong like some couples do sometimes when they say things like "you too clean the house I have been doing it for the past 2 weeks or how much do you give me? My friends husband loves her so much that he gives her 5 times what you give me for food monthly". Such a marriage is doomed!

Our fathers knew this so always taught CONTENTMENT in marriage but today we are seeing something else.

You couldn't have said it better. Love is NOT a give and take affair. Interestingly, I guess we mix up many time two closely related definitions; Love and Lust.

Lust: always desires to get at the expense of the other
While
Love: desires to give at the expense of self

Love is simply doing your part to make the life of the other person better, richer, fulfilling, happy, joyful and greater while expecting NOTING as a condition for sustaining your positive actions.

Love is a choice it is NOT a feeling!

However, Love can be painful and hurting if it is one-sided. A young person must Make sure that whoever he/she is marrying Loves him/her with the same selfless Love.

An old couple taught us that a happy marriage is not made only by spirituality but by building the pillars of love. They were 80 and 87 then but they will make a newly wed jealous! They were the Bomb when it comes to their marriage relationship. They were both Christians however, but I am not sure they are born again.

It takes the Fruit of the Holy Spirit to maintain harmony in marriage but it takes hard work to sustain the fun.

Gombs:

Thanks

Shadeyinka... You didn't tell me why, this is a better position.
Thanks again.

Yes sir. Good morning.

Gombs:


Thanks


Shadeyinka... You didn't tell me why, this is a better position.

Thanks again.

I think I did!
The issue is NOT really about whether it is a Sin or NOT, but on the overall benefit both to the relationship and to the Body of Christ for a lady to be routinely doing wifely duties (of course without sex).

Would such happen in most relationship? YES!
Should it become the Norm? No!
Reasons:
1. It actually doesn't add much value to a relationship. Suppose you discover that she can't cook well, would you break the relationship because of that?

1Ti 4:8 For bodily exercise profiteth little: but godliness is profitable unto all things, having promise of the life that now is, and of that which is to come.

Just like the bodily exercise which isn't evil by itself

2. It is not a proof that when she marries you, such activities will continue. Cleaning, Cooking and the other chores may be just to endear you to herself. In marriage, every pretence flies out of the window.
3. Over familiarity encourages petting, smooching, touching and other things which may predispose on to polluting the mind or move to the next level of list and fornication.
4 For the sake of other Believers: Yes, God knows your mind that you are like Joseph( the husband of Mary) but weaker vessels are thinking: " oh, so Christian couple can go all the way to living with each other in sexual relationships). ...I will rather not eat meat than my weaker brother to fall.

1Co 8:13 Wherefore, if meat make my brother to offend, I will eat no flesh while the world standeth, lest I make my brother to offend.

5. Can the lady tell her people that " I am going to my fiancée s place to cook, wash and iron?". Most likely not!
It means that culturally speaking, it may not be totally acceptable. (Especially for the family of the lady). The family of the men would usually not bother too much...." She is OUR wife!"

Muafrika2:


I agree with shadeyinka on this and with a practical demonstration.

There are people, am sure most people have experienced in their life whose presence brings peace to the people around them. Some people come around and the room is filled with joy. Others just look at you and you get anxious, fearful, you feel beat down, etc. That is a demonstration of the powers at work in an individual's spirit. It is spiritual, and is as shadeyinka said of demons, infectious.

Now there are people with a sexually perverse spirits. Not all people. The moment you think about them in a lustful way or you watch them (which is where pornography comes in) their perverse spirit gets access into your spirit. That is what addiction is. It's when a perverse spirit is at work in your life. That's why Jesus said lusting is fornication. It's because of the corruption of the spirit that happens immediately.

To be on the safe side, it's always good to ask God to reveal the spirits of potential spouses to you. The perverted are the people you may dream of as trying to rape you, or you dream of them engaging in lustful activities.

That's just the spiritual angle of lust. Remember all men and women are spirits first. And this applies to people outside and within church too.

You just made my day with this illustration.

Its like HIV, it doesn't show on the face. How can one know that this person is "not infected" with spiritual HIV, or spiritual ghonorhea, or spiritual hepatitis etc.

Pornography involves people who are heavily demonized selling out spirits of list and masturbation all over the world.

I wish Deliverance Clinics are more in churches, people will learn from the trash that comes out of a demonized persons mouth!

Thanks Bro!
Pls stay on, your deep experience is valuable here!

analice107:

But, in a case where Brother is seeking guidance and Gods guides him to me, and brother finds me, don't you think the period that we use in putting stuff in order or we use in arranging for the marriage can be termed as courtship?

Not really. There will be a lot to put in place on both sides and no time for meeting together.

4everGod:
The Bible says that we are meant to be living epistles read of men. Is it not better to take the words of of God found in the Bible out of it and make it our everyday life especially in Marriage and create a culture through it same as we have cultures in every tribe? We as believers are a tribe in itself because as Jesus said "we are in the world but we are not of the world".

I say this because there are many who do not want to bother about getting the details of marriage procedure from the Bible and would rather just be either shown or told without reverence to scriptures. Perhaps from those whom they look up to and respect.

I am of the opinion that we can create a culture of our own which honours scripture in totality and over time it would become a norm and because Man is wired to reject God, whenever we make scriptural references when talking about marriage to youths or would be couples they often imagine things like, "These Christians have come again" or "All this spiri spiri people" not because we are not saying the truth but the delivery is often wrong.

What do we think is the best way to package marriage info and teaching so it can be interesting to intended couples and youth and not like some burden especially when we always have to make reference to scripture when doing so?

#justasking

I agree with you, but it will be extremely difficult to arrive at a consensus as what the "Bible Standard" could mean. Do we use example of Abraham, or Jacob, or Isaac, or Wedding at Cana, or Samson ? ...etc.

We should be also careful to separate Jewish culture from Bible culture and of course, this is where the major problem comes in. For Jewish culture is not necessarily the Christian culture BUT the Bible was written within the confines of the Jewish environment.

I would probably like weddings, marriage and courtship rites to honour God at every step. Then, the different cultural practices would not bother me as long as it is edifyingband is not sinful.

Most marriages among the Jews for instance were arranged. A Father can see a girl and request for her hand in marriage for his own son. Just like what happens in most Nigerian traditional marriage rites.

Muafrika2:


I agree with shadeyinka on this and with a practical demonstration.

There are people, am sure most people have experienced in their life whose presence brings peace to the people around them. Some people come around and the room is filled with joy. Others just look at you and you get anxious, fearful, you feel beat down, etc. That is a demonstration of the powers at work in an individual's spirit. It is spiritual, and is as shadeyinka said of demons, infectious.

Now there are people with a sexually perverse spirits. Not all people. The moment you think about them in a lustful way or you watch them (which is where pornography comes in) their perverse spirit gets access into your spirit. That is what addiction is. It's when a perverse spirit is at work in your life. That's why Jesus said lusting is fornication. It's because of the corruption of the spirit that happens immediately.

To be on the safe side, it's always good to ask God to reveal the spirits of potential spouses to you. The perverted are the people you may dream of as trying to rape you, or you dream of them engaging in lustful activities.

That's just the spiritual angle of lust. Remember all men and women are spirits first. And this applies to people outside and within church too.

Well delivered sir.
And, Talking about lust, pls dwell on it more. There was a discussion here sometime ago about lust, i responded to it, but a guy came at my Jugular and was ready to tear it out because i said lust is a spiritual problem and affects both sexes.
His stand was that, only men lust and that lust can be clinically treated, so shd not be attributed to spirituality. And, yes, he was a Christian.

shadeyinka:


I am glad you contributed so much. Lots of people will learn from this

Amen sir.
And may what we learn here translate to our everyday lives so that we can profit thereby.
Amen.

shadeyinka:


As a young guy, two of my very spiritually strong brothers in the Lord fell into fornication while they were courting. The experience is terrible for him who fears God.

Satan always times it for a believer. On that day, something will fail, pregnancy results and then the other temptation of sacrificing of an innocent soul on the alter of the idol called abortion surfaces.

Serious Christians are the ones who normal get into trouble.

I remember some years ago when my wife and I were invited to a church for a marriage seminar. We spoke that day on sexual purity in courtship. When it was question time, one brother from the back raised up his hands to ask the question.

"Can you two say before God and Man that you never sleptnwith each other while courting?"
He obviously felt that it we were talking theory..with smiles on our faces, we answered him that we never slept with each other. But we wondered, supposed it had happens just once, would we had lied before God and Man?

That would ve been a terrible situation to be in.

Scholar8200:
Not really. There will be a lot to put in place on both sides and no time for meeting together.

Your reply to analice107 is OK but I feel its a little hard.

I understand that some churches allow only minimal interactions between intending couple but I am not sure it does anything spectacular for the relationship except that it prevents fornication.

Secondly, I believe is is too late to begin courtship after the wedding because from day one I expect the couple to start rolling out and executing their marriage(not wedding) plans.

I think many Christians in courtship (not dating relationships) still keep themselves pure. The advantage is more than the disadvantages.

Other than this, I agree that any two spirit filled christian can have a peaceful marriage as long as God doesn't say NO! But, for me, a beautiful marriage is expected to be more than having peace and harmony BUT also in addition fun, excitement based on friendship.

shadeyinka:


If after the traditional wedding, there is no more wedding ceremony, fire on. But as long as there is still a wedding ceremony to be done (church wedding) sorry, ya waiting and endurance continues!

Ok sir.