Who has destruction help?

Yet they want the government to provide the moon. Where will the government get the funds to satisfy the demand when the source of income is damaged? Now, the slogan has changed, PMB, don't borrow

QuotaSystem:


This is a weak and very poor analogy for several reasons;

1. The Niger Delta never dug the well, and never had & still doesn't have the capacity to do so.

correct,the reason aint far-fetched:the fg powered by the ever parasitic north has placed stringent and hard decrees and laws prohibiting them from tapping and exploring their God-given resources.

quotasystem:

2. The Niger Delta by law does not own the water in the well, Nigeria does, so there is nothing like "allowing neighbours out of goodness of the heart".

they do cos it is located in their region...,but if they dont own it,why do they alone own and suffer from pollution from oil spills and gas flaring? Does pollution from oil spill and gas flaring affect the north?...

quotasystem:
3. The Niger Delta itself benefits from the "water" from the well, even with an added derivation of extra buckets which other neighbors don't enjoy, but the parents of the house are fond of wasting and stealing it so members of its household then start dying of thirst in anger thinking it's due to the neighbors activities.

you aint given what actually belongs to you in the 1st place..it is 50% derivation all over the world

quotasystem:
4. In trying to damage the well dug by the neighbors, the members of the household end up flooding and killing themselves.

nobody asked the parasitic neighbors to dig another man's well and since the troublesome neighbor still went ahead to dig another person's well,he must pay that person his complete dues

quotasystem:
What a tragedy brought about by unmitigated stupidity of the household and wickedness of the parents.

Wickedness and evilness is when,after all your epistle and sermon de la lamentations,you never made a single mention of decades-long pollutions from oil spills and gas flaring and their attendant effects suffered ALONE by the Niger Delta. That shows how grossly wicked and unsympathetic you (the north) are. Allah is a God of justice and judgement,He shall surely visit with vengance upon the wicked and heartless

Ndubuisipaul1:
you are sounding as if the Niger deltans created the mineral resources . Did they ? It is equally their as it is Yorubas . Afterall we are on nation .

One nation how? Because Lord Lugard forced all of us together? It doesnt work that way. Whoever owns the land owns whatever that is found on the land. It is their lands and it is their Oil. It was their land and Oil long before there was anything called Nigeria. 'One Nigeria' is just the slogan that others have been using to steal their resources.

Im not even from the so called Niger Delta but I know what is right and wrong

QuotaSystem:


This is a weak and very poor analogy for several reasons;

1. The Niger Delta never dug the well, and never had & still doesn't have the capacity to do so.

That is not even the case. They can always contract/farm it out

QuotaSystem:

2. The Niger Delta by law does not own the water in the well, Nigeria does, so there is nothing like "allowing neighbours out of goodness of the heart".

Again let's assume that the law does not favor them so they have a right to fight

QuotaSystem:

3. The Niger Delta itself benefits from the "water" from the well, even with an added derivation of extra buckets which other neighbors don't enjoy, but the parents of the house are fond of wasting and stealing it so members of its household then start dying of thirst in anger thinking it's due to the neighbors activities.

This is one of my concerns. They believe they have never benefitted from the proceeds. When you remind them that their leaders are wicked, thieving, selfish individuals, they accuse you of maligning their heritage. When you show them that their leaders are wanted or have been jailed abroad, they tell you it's not your problem. Afterall, it's our money they are stealing. So they want their leaders to steal some, and then they want some more. May God help them and us.

QuotaSystem:

4. In trying to damage the well dug by the neighbors, the members of the household end up flooding and killing themselves.

Very funny that they fail to see that. Someone said, oil companies have been doing it before. So they take that as a license to add to the damage to their environment.

I'm not from Niger Delta so I may not feel their pain but I think they will start making progress when they learn to ask questions from their leaders who have mismanaged the little that should have accrued to them from the common wealth. If they do that seriously and they come back to ask for more from the federal government, I assure you that it will take a leader with the heart of a lion to ignore their request because they would have shown their seriousness by the way they handle their own people. Yoruba says "eni to ba ti fi omo iya e dan oogun ika wo, ara ilu e kan o ni so pe 'mo mo oju e, maa ba soro' to ba nbinu" Translation: "If a man used his own sibling to test the efficacy of his wicked juju, a distant relative will not boast that he has what it takes to talk to him and calm him down when he is angry".

Right now, it seems as if the fight is not a sincere desire to bring change to the region but rather they all fighting for the opportunity to eat. When they speak against their corrupt leaders and take action against them, the Nigerian leaders, nay, whole world will take them seriously.

maclatunji:
My question is a very simple question, people should not bring diversionary arguments. Those who are blowing pipelines have not said they do so to develop Nigeria. So, for the purpose of this thread, we are leaving out the effects of their activities on Nigeria.

LoveMachine:


You won't get an answer. You will instead receive deflection. They will answer your question with another question with the hope that maybe juuuust maybe they can get you to bite on their fakeout.

maclatunji:


Abi.

I don't think your question and the type of answers you'd want to hear deserve any sort of discussion.

If you want to discuss your question and the likely 'answers' you're hoping to get, you have to be willing to engage in the 'diversionary arguments'. There's no way out of that, sorry.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6gIGhl85VRU

If you are not from there, you cannot understand.
That's just it.
Someone will sit in Lagos, and be talking nonsense about what he knows nothing about.

The Niger Delta has been cheated in Nigeria, and anyone who thinks otherwise is not a honest person.

It is true that the Nigeria state has wronged the people of ND, but on a more sincere note, lots of those militant are out for selfish interests. One built a private university in Benin. The other made billions and goes into hiding, some are mere tools in the scheme of politicians. Of note is the environmental hazards. Aside from gas flaring, water pollution, do know the people are vulnerable to cancer and the likes. How does this attract investors both local and foreign. I did everything possible for my younger sister not to serve in Rivers. And when I could not help it, we were always praying for her. Two wrongs does not make a right. My heart goes out to all the suffering people of ND, but how does the governors spend even the 13% derivative. The solution I believe should start with the people holding their government/leaders accountable. They should unite as a people and going forward, seek for a political solution after all, it is better to jawjaw than to warwar and after every war, people always come to the round table for amicable solutions. God bless Nigeria

Why should the northerners own oil wells in the south, given to them as gifts?
We have all gained nothing by holding firm to oil wealth and neglecting other sectors of the economy.

frugal:








I don't think your question and the type of answers you'd want to hear deserve any sort of discussion.

If you want to discuss your question and the likely 'answers' you're hoping to get, you have to be willing to engage in the 'diversionary arguments'. There's no way out of that, sorry.

Why'd you tag me?

maclatunji:
It is a straightforward question. Militants and their supporters will celebrate destroying government infrastructure in the NigerDelta I imagine. However, away from the mindless jubilation, how do pipeline bombing, attacking and kidnapping oil workers bring about growth and development in the region?

One would think the region would be the most developed by now if it were an effective strategy going by the number of attacks that have occurred in the region since 1999.

Feel free to explain if you have answers to the questions. Don't come here to boast about blowing up things, I have already identified that as mindless, what I want to know is how it is an effective development strategy.

Bro if you compare the development of the region before and after bombing of oil facilities you will see that it is quite an effective strategy.

kayfra:


You did not build the water well in the first place nor do you have legal recourse to the land that it's built on. It's just on your ancestral land.

Please use your brain.

So the gold in th north, or whatever that is in the ground belongs to all of Nigeria too right, and not the north.
Why are other avenues to make money not exploited up there?

Why are they not contributing much to the national purse? instead they are waiting for oil revenues to be shared.

lastkingsman:


The people blowing pipeline are fighting for justice not development. so rephrase your question or stop asking a question that doesn't exist.

Okay, how do blowing pipelines and other crimes bring justice?

worldmoney:
Bro if you compare the development of the region before and after bombing of oil facilities you will see that it is quite an effective strategy.

Can you expatiate?

QuotaSystem:


This is a weak and very poor analogy for several reasons;

1. The Niger Delta never dug the well, and never had & still doesn't have the capacity to do so.

2. The Niger Delta by law does not own the water in the well, Nigeria does, so there is nothing like "allowing neighbours out of goodness of the heart".

3. The Niger Delta itself benefits from the "water" from the well, even with an added derivation of extra buckets which other neighbors don't enjoy, but the parents of the house are fond of wasting and stealing it so members of its household then start dying of thirst in anger thinking it's due to the neighbors activities.

4. In trying to damage the well dug by the neighbors, the members of the household end up flooding and killing themselves.

What a tragedy brought about by unmitigated stupidity of the household and wickedness of the parents.

Gbam! You have hit the nail on the head.

ImoRiver:


If not for militancy, the oil boom of 2006 to 2014 would have made much more positive impact on Niger Delta. Many companies relocated to Lagos instead of increasing their presence in Warri and Port Harcourt thereby moving wealth away from the source. Many roads and other developmental projects were abandoned for security reasons. What about the environmental degradation and high rate of school abandonment to join militancy?

Please where do u stay?

CeenoEvu:

That is not even the case. They can always contract/farm it out



Again let's assume that the law does not favor them so they have a right to fight


This is one of my concerns. They believe they have never benefitted from the proceeds. When you remind them that their leaders are wicked, thieving, selfish individuals, they accuse you of maligning their heritage. When you show them that their leaders are wanted or have been jailed abroad, they tell you it's not your problem. Afterall, it's our money they are stealing. So they want their leaders to steal some, and then they want some more. May God help them and us.


Very funny that they fail to see that. Someone said, oil companies have been doing it before. So they take that as a license to add to the damage to their environment.

I'm not from Niger Delta so I may not feel their pain but I think they will start making progress when they learn to ask questions from their leaders who have mismanaged the little that should have accrued to them from the common wealth. If they do that seriously and they come back to ask for more from the federal government, I assure you that it will take a leader with the heart of a lion to ignore their request because they would have shown their seriousness by the way they handle their own people. Yoruba says "eni to ba ti fi omo iya e dan oogun ika wo, ara ilu e kan o ni so pe 'mo mo oju e, maa ba soro' to ba nbinu" Translation: "If a man used his own sibling to test the efficacy of his wicked juju, a distant relative will not boast that he has what it takes to talk to him and calm him down when he is angry".

Right now, it seems as if the fight is not a sincere desire to bring change to the region but rather they all fighting for the opportunity to eat. When they speak against their corrupt leaders and take action against them, the Nigerian leaders, nay, whole world will take them seriously.

you seem to be ignorant of naija politics. Are you talking of the nigerian and regional leaders who rejected their agenda during the '14 confab? Are you talking of leaders at the nass who rejected the pib bill simply b'cos theres a 10% clause for extra fund for oil producing areas,leaders who also rejected 1% special fund for lagos but quickly signed and passed a 3% revenue derived from vat (that emanates mostly from lagos) for the ne and kano/plateau states into law?..are you talking about leaders with decade-long fixated mindset against restructuring and true federalism?
I trully wonder when nigerians especially you afonjas will get wise!!!

See simple question for all scAvengers and their supporters, yet they struggle to give coherent answer.

Ugosample:
If you are not from there, you cannot understand.
That's just it.
Someone will sit in Lagos, and be talking nonsense about what he knows nothing about.

The Niger Delta has been cheated in Nigeria, and anyone who thinks otherwise is not a honest person.

Not many think ND doesn't deserve better treatment.

The question is: "how does blowing up pipelines develop ND region?"

If anything, it sets the region back by tens of years if not hundreds.

TonyeBarcanista:

I think you aren't getting my point bro.

He has already program his mind to a direction. there is nothing anyone here will say that will change it. simple, I grew up in the Niger delta and you cannot compare the development of the Niger Delta before and after armed struggle

gidgiddy:


Lets say you have a water well in your own compound. Out of the goodness of your heart, you allow all your neigbours to benefit from your well by connecting pipes to their homes and beyond. Overtime, you find out the consumotion of your own water by others has become so high that there is no longer enough for you and your family. You go to your neigbours and complain that you want to now control how this water is distributed and shared so as to have enough for your self, but your neigbours ignore you, some even insult you.

How long will it be before you disconnect your neigbours to remind them owns the well?

It would have been better if you only disconnected the pipes to stop water from getting to your neighbours. In this case, you actually destroyed the pipe in your compound making the well water flood your house. Who is still at loss? You or your neighbours? Remember your neighbours can go get this same water elsewhere

Ugosample:


So the gold in th north, or whatever that is in the ground belongs to all of Nigeria too right, and not the north.
Why are other avenues to make money not exploited up there?

Why are they not contributing much to the national purse? instead they are waiting for oil revenues to be shared.

the buhari govt has long given the northerners exclusive rights to tap from their solid minerals..you as a southerner would be 'suyanised' if u dare venture there with them..
Buhari only gave cross rivers state alone licence to tap her solid minerals just last week..
The south is in bondage

worldmoney:
Bro if you compare the development of the region before and after bombing of oil facilities you will see that it is quite an effective strategy.

Hmmmm..... that means if the Millitants increase the rate of bombings, the Niger Delta will look like Dubai in little time.

Citizens of Lagos State should have adopted this method to attract developers of Eko Atlantic, rather than the lobbying and convincing investors.

DabuIIIT:

the buhari govt has long given the northerners exclusive rights to tap from their solid minerals..you as a southerner would be 'suyanised' if u dare venture there with them..
Buhari only gave cross rivers state alone licence to tap her solid minerals just last week..
The south is in bondage

And one dumbass is asking why there is crisis in the Niger Delta

same question I ask every niger-deltan I see but I never get a good enough reply.
Even as much as I try to make them understand that every Nigerian feels marginalised and cheated, they still go on about how they own the "oyel"

You need to see how militancy has destroyed the region especially Rivers state villages. Every young boy there wants to be a cult leader or militant. that's like thier life dream.

If it ever happens that the region is given the total rights to administer the crude oil, within one month, they will kill each other.

dumb set of mofos with some ridiculous sense of entitlement.

ULSHERLAN:


It would have been better if you only disconnected the pipes to stop water from getting to your neighbours. In this case, you actually destroyed the pipe in your compound making the well water flood your house. Who is still at loss? You or your neighbours? Remember your neighbours can go get this same water elsewhere

look,we will be very glad if those satanic neighbors from hell will go look foq the water elsewhere forever and leave us and our water and wells alone,thank you.
Please let them go,we never invited them.

The only development they can come up with, from the series of bombings of oil pipelines, are more degradation of the very Environment they leave as oil spills further covering areas it has never reach before. A filth that will take decades to totally clean up. Their media sympathizers will soon realise that their field soldiers have done more evil than good in the region that there will be no where to step foot on in the Niger Delta without stepping on the black oil, with no more fishes to catch in their nets from the few that remain from the long term exploration, then You guys will wake up to the reality, that even as the Nigerian Economy bleeds from your actions you Bleed even more through the *ass* of the oil-fields that pollutes over your virgin lands and water bodies by your own hands.

gidgiddy:


Lets say you have a water well in your own compound. Out of the goodness of your heart, you allow all your neigbours to benefit from your well by connecting pipes to their homes and beyond. Overtime, you find out the consumotion of your own water by others has become so high that there is no longer enough for you and your family. You go to your neigbours and complain that you want to now control how this water is distributed and shared so as to have enough for your self, but your neigbours ignore you, some even insult you.

How long will it be before you disconnect your neigbours to remind them owns the well?

I find this as incorrect deciphering of the problem and a clear indication that even if the neighbor is disconnected there will still be lack of peace in the compound between the occupants.

Greed, Laziness and wickedness is the problem in the Niger Delta, once that is dealt with the region will develop and there will be progress irrespective of the resources on ground.

It is very sad that that the ND become what it is today. The question is who contributed the highest to this mess. For many years a state like Ebonyi did receive a paltry 3billion naira when Bayesa cruised home with 12-14billion every month. You now ask yourself what did they do with such huge allocation every month. They had the opportunity to built one of the best resorts and tourist destination in Africa but they choose to blow the the money. Dubai crown Prince said and I quote " build it and they will come". They will not only come but will come with their money and ideas. The ND lacks patriotic leaders and thinkers. It is sad, very sad.

I see it as stupidity to blame my neighbours for my self inflicted pain.

the question should be:: how has not blowing pipelines helped both the niger delta and other regions

to the hypocritical OP:: since your zone or region does not even have pipelines, how has no vandalism helped your region..is it now dubai

na this kin question dey make me boil and want to fight...

instead of you hypocrites to clamor for true federalism alongside the niger delta you are here asking foolish questions...

QuotaSystem:


This is a weak and very poor analogy for several reasons;

1. The Niger Delta never dug the well, and never had & still doesn't have the capacity to do so.

2. The Niger Delta by law does not own the water in the well, Nigeria does, so there is nothing like "allowing neighbours out of goodness of the heart".

3. The Niger Delta itself benefits from the "water" from the well, even with an added derivation of extra buckets which other neighbors don't enjoy, but the parents of the house are fond of wasting and stealing it so members of its household then start dying of thirst in anger thinking it's due to the neighbors activities.

4. In trying to damage the well dug by the neighbors, the members of the household end up flooding and killing themselves.

What a tragedy brought about by unmitigated stupidity of the household and wickedness of the parents.

so if the niger deltans are only destroying themselves, why are you so pained?

maclatunji:


Okay, how do blowing pipelines and other crimes bring justice?

it would make the malams up north and every other leech to someday espouse resource control/true federalism just as it was before gowon nuked it...