brabusINTL:
Oga fastshipping,

It's best you ignore him. We all know how he starts things.

No need getting dragged into mud with the rest of them

did you need to open another moniker and make it look like Brabus just for blackmailing purpose?

Rubbish. Look at these sewage rats here even went to the extent of opening a username with brabus name for blackmailing.

Bunch of untrained, dirty sewage rats of kids on this thread.

Brabus is currently in prison awaiting trial for his crime.

4nobody4every1:
Oh my gosh Brabus is here today, is going to be a long day of fun and laughter, let me get some pop corn , no dull moments on Nairaland, Nairaland is a place to laugh, laugh and laugh, buhahahaha

It is not brabus. This moniker was opened few months ago for no other reason than the nonsense it is being used for now.

Bunch of unruly, hopeless, sewage rats of kids on this forum.

3strikes was the one who opened this brabusING thingy. Nobody else opened this. 3strikes hands written all over it.

4nobody4every1:
Oh my gosh Brabus is here today, is going to be a long day of fun and laughter, let me get some pop corn , no dull moments on Nairaland, Nairaland is a place to laugh, laugh and laugh, buhahahaha

I tell you. Let me quickly go and recharge my data service as i want to follow every post. It seems xmas is coming early. If food no dey due to recession, at least there is free fun and laughter.

FastShipping:


It is not brabus. This moniker was opened few months ago for no other reason than the nonsense it is being used for now.

Bunch of unruly, hopeless, sewage rats of kids on this forum.

Really?.... l thought it was Brabus, na wao ooo, when l read his post about meeting his accusers in court l was thinking he is the one, l am lost here Lol, Chai, Nairaland house of comotion, whenever l am bored, l loging to Nairaland, after just 30mis l will be laughing and my colleagues or friends will say, are you ok, why are you laughing alone, they dont know Nairaland is what is making me to laugh, l read one other post today in another section, l was laughing alone because the guy said something that cracked me up, chai, No dull moments on Nairaland, thanks to Seun for this forum

NL1960:


I tell you. Let me quickly go and recharge my data service as i want to follow every post. It seems xmas is coming early. If food no dey due to recession, at least there is free fun and laughter.

4nobody4every1:
Really?.... l thought it was Brabus, na wao ooo, when l read his post about meeting his accusers in court l was thinking he is the one, l am lost here Lol, Chai, Nairaland house of comotion, whenever l am bored, l loging to Nairaland, after just 30mis l will be laughing and my colleagues or friends will say, are you ok, why are you laughing alone, they dont know Nairaland is what is making me to laugh, l read one other post today in another section, l was laughing alone because the guy said something that cracked me up, chai, No dull moments on Nairaland, thanks to Seun for this forum

Look at the type of dishonest, hopeless, fraudulent set of kids we deal with on this forum.

These hopeless kids are ready to go any length to do anything to lie and lie and lie again. It is unfortunate that we have to deal with such people with dubious character here.

Go through the past posts of so called brabusING. You should be able to know exactly who is behind the brabusING moniker.

No one else behind it other than 3strikes.

3strikes:
Exposing these fraudsters on nairaland is our way of contributing our quota to Naija.

There's a difference between engaging in conversation and trolling .
You are yet to refute the facts and claims against you...and instead you're just singing the same old dumbshit tune.

Did you or did you not make the quoted statements?

Did you or did you not create an alternate moniker(s) ?

Was there or was there not a spat here about your unpaid workers ?

Who are you to question another member's presence on this forum. Are you MA*D


Can you and your zuzuists in even the simplest of ways substantiate or show any shred of evidence that even remotely indicates that myself, fastshipping, lastapage or any other person here for that matter condones, encourages or perpetrates any kind of fraud,


The truth is you and those F00ls have absolutely nothing meaningful to Say. You're just trying to make yourself relevant. See the batcher wey this one dey build come carry dey disturb people here.

Even self acclaimed hustlers are making noise about honest living, what is your job description..?

Thunder fire you If you think your sorry a$$es can be anything more than tramps in this place.

kolnel:



Thanks bro
What about charges for labor, casting I mean
How were you billed ?

The caster was paid 150k for euipments, labourers n operators in all. I just joined dem to ginger dem to work FAST and also provide lunch for dem with my kobo kobo as i no be omo baba olowo. They started around 9.30 and finished around 6 plus before it gets dark.
My major concern was that i dont want any night decking at all so I and to push dem subtly to work FAST.

NL1960:


I tell you. Let me quickly go and recharge my data service as i want to follow every post. It seems xmas is coming early. If food no dey due to recession, at least there is free fun and laughter.

Baba you are welcome to the parry sponsored by omo baba olowo in north carolina.
We run tinz and tinz dont run us. You are assured of maximum laughter here as we need to resurrect this thread back and grab it from the fraud remnants parambulating here

Below was the disclaimer brabus issued after the brabusING thingy was created few months ago.

These sewage rats here are not worth sharing this platform with.

They are bunch of criminals. They should be in prison now with Brabus. I can now see why they couldn't take Brabus to court for defrauding them. They are criminals like him.

n3xt:


Sir,
Your request is very familiar. I equally had someone push a similar to me sometimes in 2013.



And here's my response to the mail which I think still suffice in this situation.




Interestingly, I still see no reason why I should pad the budget or hoard information from the public. If I have anyone who needs any info that may be beneficial, I'll give it right away. It can only become issues if I posted a conflicting figures. The person in question requested for a detailed costing of the project with particular emphasis on stage of work, I have no choice than to give him what he wanted.

Sorry, if that hurts.



_______
Disclaimer:

NextHome wishes to express that the UserID BrabusINTL is not representing NextHome, Brabus or Bosun Davies.

https://www.nairaland.com/2089904/desmond-flats-ogombo-nexthome/10#44466302

Grab some pop corn.

My fellow Nigerians you can see how they quickly jump in to defend brabus NG. Com.
People wen get money no dey make noise, noise is not music abi how adekunle gold sing am.
Common sense is not common after all.

I don't work with Lastpage or anyone else for that matter.
I work on my own and you know this for sure so why don't you face me directly instead of disturbing others?

You know I am always ready for whatever drama you wish to bring.

I forgot, it's happy hour for the school kids every time..

3strikes:
[size=20pt]Lastpage uses all these monikers Excuzeme, Daabomb,commonsense101 and Cinephilia to form different identity online.
Lastpage is a fraudster. He works closely with Bosun shoyeye aka Brabus, N3xt of nexthome on the backend...you need more info just ask.

People be warned! [/size]

Goat tie rope or rope tie goat. All naa the same tieing.
Any name that has brabus in it is equal to :
A. Fraud
B. Scammer
C. Jazz man
D. All of the above.

back2sender:

Be like sey i go enter PH for xmas. Need to see my wife mumsy been a while. Make dem go put DSS for airport wait me.

Hahaha no worry we get palm wine and Origin cocktail plus fresh fish and roasted yam to upress am .
Oh I just look up the clique don complete , it's going to B a long day . I don roam my fone

After they signed out with their known monikers and started posting with cloned Brabus moniker, they are too scared to sign right back in.

Bunch of unruly, hopeless, dirty kids.

See you later to respond to any hopeless and unruly kid......

So in north carolina was up was up plenty for thier.
Ke MA bamiduro Emi omo baba olowo.
Common sense is not common after all. This brabusine fever dey pain dem die.
After dey will say naa other Builders here dey sponsor us. Naa today we don dey see brabus disclaimer?
Wen he stole client materials from site he posted a disclaimer.
Wen he built Qc1 sinking house he posted a disclaimer.
Wen he fraudi 3strikes he posted a disclaimer.
Wen he accuse EgunMogaji of his abule pan roof he posted a disclaimer.
What of ile oluji house ko? He posted a disclaimer.
So no be today we don dey see disclaimer

@fastshipping So am Brabus now abi?

You don dey misbehave again abi?

Come with facts or I wont dignify u with a better response

FastShipping:





Look at the type of dishonest, hopeless, fraudulent set of kids we deal with on this forum.

These hopeless kids are ready to go any length to do anything to lie and lie and lie again. It is unfortunate that we have to deal with such people with dubious character here.

Go through the past posts of so called brabusING. You should be able to know exactly who is behind the brabusING moniker.

No one else behind it other than 3strikes.

This guy really have no shame o. This cant be brabus and if you are the one, see you in court on the 15th. Save 5 seats for us.

brabusINTL:
I don't work with Lastpage or anyone else for that matter.
I work on my own and you know this for sure so why don't you face me directly instead of disturbing others?

You know I am always ready for whatever drama you wish to bring.

I forgot, it's happy hour for the school kids every time..

Commonsense101:

There's a difference between engaging in conversation and trolling .
You are yet to refute the facts and claims against you...and instead you're just singing the same old dumbshit tune.

Did you or did you not make the quoted statements?

Did you or did you not create an alternate moniker(s) ?

Was there or was there not a spat here about your unpaid workers ?

Who are you to question another member's presence on this forum. Are you MA*D


Can you and your zuzuists in even the simplest of ways substantiate or show any shred of evidence that even remotely indicates that myself, fastshipping, lastapage or any other person here for that matter condones, encourages or perpetrates any kind of fraud,


The truth is you and those F00ls have absolutely nothing meaningful to Say. You're just trying to make yourself relevant. See the batcher wey this one dey build come carry dey disturb people here.

Even self acclaimed hustlers are making noise about honest living, what is your job description..?

Thunder fire you If you think your sorry a$$es can be anything more than tramps in this place.

Sir, I think it is getting absurd, to the point that its not making sense.
I also think we should allow the Court to decide on Brabus case, just as Chekitaut has suggested; It may turn out to be an embarrassment of sort, to many here, if Brabus is declared innocent of this particular allegation of STEALING #5M, by the law courts (It still does not exonerate him from the shoddy work he has done for some of his past clients).


As to these scallywags and Yahoo-hustlers gallivanting up and down, l think we should just ignore them and let them keep showing their level.

I just saw Mavericks house now and l fainted! When l woke up, l saw the decking of that dirty, malnourished thing and l collapsed!
I hope they are happy now or do they want another round of fainting so that we can know that they are trying to build a house?
"The race that the Dog ran for 20yrs, is a walk in the park for the Horse"

Commonsense101, Fastshipping and others, please Ignore them, they are not worth replying to (l understand that once in a while, you may just want to "relax" and throw a jibe at the scallywags but that is all it should take).
Shameless people like these Kids have no credibility online and n real life so, not worth the effort.



BTW: The "major" Problem with Brabus is that he took DIY too far!
Its one thing to be a DIY enthusiast, its another thing to turn it to a profession, when you are not "properly grounded and trained" in that profession... its even worse when you take on "challenges" that are way bigger than your skill-set (like QC-1's house) and not have the sense (or is it due to greed?) to liaise and consult with those who have the training and experience in that profession.
To make matter worse, he is over-confident, does not listen to good advice and not remorseful.

I hope his current travails will teach him a lesson or two about life: There is a day of reckoning, in the least expected situations (though l will err on the side of caution that he did not steal #5M as alleged, he probably given money for job which was not properly done (as usual) but by the very definition of "stealing", you cannot steal what was given to you by the owner!

People need to read that "charge sheet" again and you will wonder if that Sup. of Police IPO was, by omission or commission, made nonsense of this case, with the charges he filed? Seriously?

It it were me, l will dock him for IMPERSONATION (claiming to be a professional builder when you dont have the requisite qualification from any known Building School), then l will add "MISREPRESENTATION" to the charge (parading yourself as a Builder when you are not registered with the Nigerian Guild of Builders or NSE/COREN), finally, l will charge him for NEGLIGENCE/DERELICTION of DUTY and BREACH of CONTRACT (Non performance/poor performance of agreed contract).
All these charges will stick far easier, as they are very much obvious and the bar of proof wont be that high, than to charge him for stealing #5M (maybe he burgled the man's wardrobe at 2am sha) when you most likely have a "business dealing" with him.

What if he just showed the judge that you paid him #5M "for a service"? That alone collapses the trial of the "offence of stealing"!

I dont even want to discuss his issue here as l dont usually "flow with the mob" because l look at issues objectively, with a legal perspective.




Lastpage!

lastpage:


Sir, I think it is getting absurd, to the point that its not making sense.
I also think we should allow the Court to decide on Brabus case, just as Chekitaut has suggested; It may turn out to be an embarrassment of sort, to many here, if Brabus is declared innocent of this particular allegation of STEALING #5M, by the law courts (It still does not exonerate him from the shoddy work he has done for some of his past clients).


As to these scallywags and Yahoo-hustlers gallivanting up and down, l think we should just ignore them and let them keep showing their level.

I just saw Mavericks house now and l fainted! When l woke up, l saw the decking of that dirty, malnourished thing and l collapsed!
I hope they are happy now or do they want another round of fainting so that we can know that they are trying to build a house?
"The race that the Dog ran for 20yrs, is a walk in the pack for the Horse"

Commonsense101, Fastshipping and others, please Ignore them, they are not worth replying to (l understand that once in a while, you may just want to "relax" and throw a jibe at the scallywags but that is all it should take).
Shameless people like these Kids have no credibility online and n real life so, not worth the effort.



BTW: The "major" Problem with Brabus is that he took DIY too far!
Its one thing to be a DIY enthusiast, its another thing to turn it to a profession, when you are not "properly grounded and trained" in that profession... its even worse when you take on "challenges" that are way bigger than your skill-set (like QC-1's house) and not have the sense (or is it due to greed?) to liaise and consult with those who have the training and experience in that profession.
To make matter worse, he is over-confident, does not listen to good advice and not remorseful.

I hope his current travails will teach him a lesson or two about life: There is a day of reckoning, in the least expected situations (though l will err on the side of caution that he did not steal #5M as alleged, he probably given money for job which was not properly done (as usual) but by the very definition of "stealing", you cannot steal what was given to you by the owner!

People need to read that "charge sheet" again and you will wonder if that Sup. of Police IPO was, by omission or commission, made nonsense of this case, with the charges he filed? Seriously?

It it were me, l will dock him for IMPERSONATION (claiming to be a professional builder when you dont have the requisite qualification from any known Building School), then l will add "MISREPRESENTATION" to the charge (parading yourself as a Builder when you are not registered with the Nigerian Guild of Builders or NSE/COREN), finally, l will charge him for NEGLIGENCE/DERELICTION of DUTY and BREACH of CONTRACT (Non performance/poor performance of agreed contract).
All these charges will stick far easier, as they are very much obvious and the bar of proof wont be that high, than to charge him for stealing #5M (maybe he burgled the man's wardrobe at 2am sha) when you most likely have a "business dealing" with him.

What if he just showed the judge that you paid him #5M "for a service"? That alone collapses the trial of the "offence of stealing"!

I dont even want to discuss his issue here as l dont usually "flow with the mob" because l look at issues objectively, with a legal perspective.


Lastpage!

BTW: The "major" Problem with Brabus is that he took DIY too far!
Its one thing to be a DIY enthusiast, its another thing to turn it to a profession, when you are not "properly grounded and trained" in that profession... its even worse when you take on "challenges" that are way bigger than your skill-set (like QC-1's house) and not have the sense (or is it due to greed?) to liaise and consult with those who have the training and experience in that profession.
To make matter worse, he is over-confident, does not listen to good advice and not remorseful.

QED. Good summary.

3strikes:

@fastshipping So am Brabus now abi?

You don dey misbehave again abi?

Come with facts or I wont dignify u with a better response

The woman get serious issue, maybe baby sitting don show am shege join recession

Oga FastShipping,

I take offence with your comments but I won't respond in kind because you truly believe it is not me so that's fine.

I can tell you this Brabus and I am not in any cell. My office doors are always open. I may be on bail but definitely not in jail.

I understand your comments though but I am here to stay and like I said I will be exonerated of all charges.

#Heretostay

FastShipping:




did you need to open another moniker and make it look like Brabus just for blackmailing purpose?

Rubbish. Look at these sewage rats here even went to the extent of opening a username with brabus name for blackmailing.

Bunch of untrained, dirty sewage rats of kids on this thread.

Brabus is currently in prison awaiting trial for his crime.

lastpage:


Sir, I think it is getting absurd, to the point that its not making sense.
I also think we should allow the Court to decide on Brabus case, just as Chekitaut has suggested; It may turn out to be an embarrassment of sort, to many here, if Brabus is declared innocent of this particular allegation of STEALING #5M, by the law courts (It still does not exonerate him from the shoddy work he has done for some of his past clients).


As to these scallywags and Yahoo-hustlers gallivanting up and down, l think we should just ignore them and let them keep showing their level.

I just saw Mavericks house now and l fainted! When l woke up, l saw the decking of that dirty, malnourished thing and l collapsed!
I hope they are happy now or do they want another round of fainting so that we can know that they are trying to build a house?
"The race that the Dog ran for 20yrs, is a walk in the pack for the Horse"

Commonsense101, Fastshipping and others, please Ignore them, they are not worth replying to (l understand that once in a while, you may just want to "relax" and throw a jibe at the scallywags but that is all it should take).
Shameless people like these Kids have no credibility online and n real life so, not worth the effort.



BTW: The "major" Problem with Brabus is that he took DIY too far!
Its one thing to be a DIY enthusiast, its another thing to turn it to a profession, when you are not "properly grounded and trained" in that profession... its even worse when you take on "challenges" that are way bigger than your skill-set (like QC-1's house) and not have the sense (or is it due to greed?) to liaise and consult with those who have the training and experience in that profession.
To make matter worse, he is over-confident, does not listen to good advice and not remorseful.

I hope his current travails will teach him a lesson or two about life: There is a day of reckoning, in the least expected situations (though l will err on the side of caution that he did not steal #5M as alleged, he probably given money for job which was not properly done (as usual) but by the very definition of "stealing", you cannot steal what was given to you by the owner!

People need to read that "charge sheet" again and you will wonder if that Sup. of Police IPO was, by omission or commission, made nonsense of this case, with the charges he filed? Seriously?

It it were me, l will dock him for IMPERSONATION (claiming to be a professional builder when you dont have the requisite qualification from any known Building School), then l will add "MISREPRESENTATION" to the charge (parading yourself as a Builder when you are not registered with the Nigerian Guild of Builders or NSE/COREN), finally, l will charge him for NEGLIGENCE/DERELICTION of DUTY and BREACH of CONTRACT (Non performance/poor performance of agreed contract).
All these charges will stick far easier, as they are very much obvious and the bar of proof wont be that high, than to charge him for stealing #5M (maybe he burgled the man's wardrobe at 2am sha) when you most likely have a "business dealing" with him.

What if he just showed the judge that you paid him #5M "for a service"? That alone collapses the trial of the "offence of stealing"!

I dont even want to discuss his issue here as l dont usually "flow with the mob" because l look at issues objectively, with a legal perspective.


Lastpage!

Our Judiciary and police systems are terrible , this is why EFCC, ICPC keep going in cycles when they are in court trying to convict corrupt politicians because a smart legal luminary will toss all their jankara charges through the window.

l agree that Brabus should be charged with Negligence / Dereliction of Duty, Breach of contracts, misrepresentation, non performance etc, those charges with stick firmer on him than stealing but again the claimants in that case will have to prove to the court how 5million Naira was stolen from him, the case might even drag till 2050 with all the egunje, rub my back and l rub yours, be that as it may.

lf Supreme court justices could be alleged to have received bribes to pervert justice, then, there is no hope for the average man / masses to get justice in Nigeria, no wonder we see jungle justice been given out to petty crimes of recent across Nigeria

brabusINTL:
Oga FastShipping,

I take offence with your comments but I won't respond in kind because you truly believe it is not me so that's fine.

I can tell you this Brabus and I am not in any cell. My office doors are always open. I may be on bail but definitely not in jail.

I understand your comments though but I am here to stay and like I said I will be exonerated of all charges.

#Heretostay

Is this really Brabus?
I've heard "one side" of this #5M story.
What happened from "your own side" of the story?
I generally do not condemn anyone, except l hear their own side of a story, then l can make an informed judgement.
Do you care to give "me" an executive summary, as we say? Just briefly please.



Lastpage!

Make I spread Mat.......na who get that big pop corn...you go fit share?

Oga lastpage,

I truly believe that it is unwise to comment on the case at this time but rest assured I have nothing to hide and those who have laughed and rejoiced with this news should exercise patience and wait for the trial to commence.

Sorry to sound abrupt but I just want to let the law take its course

lastpage:


Is this really Brabus?
I've heard "one side" of this #5M story.
What happened from "your own side" of the story?
I generally do not condemn anyone, except l hear their own side of a story, then l can make an informed judgement.
Do you care to give "me" an executive summary, as we say? Just briefly please.



Lastpage!

4nobody4every1:
Our Judiciary and police systems are terrible , this is why EFCC, ICPC keep going in cycles when they are in court trying to convict corrupt politicians because a smart legal luminary will toss all their jankara charges through the window.

l agree that Brabus should be charged with Negligence / Dereliction of Duty, Breach of contracts, misrepresentation, non performance etc, those charges with stick firmer on him than stealing but again the claimants in that case will have to prove to the court how 5million Naira was stolen from him, the case might even drag till 2050 with all the egunje, rub my back and l rub yours, be that as it may.

lf Supreme court justices could be alleged to have received bribes to pervert justice, then, there is no hope for real the average man to get justice in Nigeria no wonder we see jungle justice been given out to petty crimes of recent across Nigeria

#5 Million in cash is a lot of "paper" to steal from someone!

Questions that may arise are:
* How come you carry that much money in cash?
*Were did the "stealing" occur? In the accused or the plaintiff's location
*How did you come into contact with the accuse?
*Was there a previous intent to "deal" on such amount between the two of you?
*Did you handover the money or did he take it in your absence?
*How did he get access to the money?
*Did you keep safely, such large amount or did you place it "at risk"?

Like l said, to prove "Stealing", you need to show the person took your money without your consent.... without any "prior intent" to transact with such money, with the accused.
Except you can show, probably with w CCTV evidence, that he broke into a place where you stored the money safely and took it in your absence.
Otherwise, the burden of proof may become too heavy for the accuser to bear.

Just speaking from a legal perspective.


Lastpage

I thought brabus was remanded in custody or did he provide 2 sureties and the bail amount, i am just perplexed as to how he's able to come up with his silly comments here again.

Lastpage, are you now saying that the allegation levied against him is fake or a witchhunt or a whitewash ? Or are you just looking for friends online again and would stop at nothing to achieve that, even getting into bed with the devil ?

brabusINTL:
Oga lastpage,

I truly believe that it is unwise to comment on the case at this time but rest assured I have nothing to hide and those who have laughed and rejoiced with this news should exercise patience and wait for the trial to commence.

Sorry to sound abrupt but I just want to let the law take its course

Sorry for asking, l just wanted to be sure it was really you.
As it said, the case is now "sub judice" when it is before a Judge and we should stop speculating, less we be charged for contempt.

You know l have never stopped "correcting you"..and l dont intend to stop irrespective of what anyone thinks.
Diligence, Patience, Honesty, Integrity, Humility and Tact are attribute you need to add to your zeal to succeed.
You must also apologise to those whom (IMO), you have used their build as "learning process" and made errors there-in.

Slow and steady wins the race.
One Naira with Peace of mind, is better than One Million Naira with aggro!

Like L.L Cool J will say: he came so fast an died so young!
May we not be faster than our time.

I wish you well in your journey through life.



Lastpage!

brabusINTL:
Oga lastpage,

I truly believe that it is unwise to comment on the case at this time but rest assured I have nothing to hide and those who have laughed and rejoiced with this news should exercise patience and wait for the trial to commence.

Sorry to sound abrupt but I just want to let the law take its course

Well someone said yoy was not Brabus and you was quoted as such .
This matta sef don dey get 1 confusing
@fastshipping do you still feel or think this is not Brabus ?

lastpage:


#5 Million in cash is a lot of "paper" to steal from someone!

Questions that may arise are:
* How come you carry that much money in cash?
*Were did the "stealing" occur? In the accused or the plaintiff's location
*How did you come into contact with the accuse?
*Was there a previous intent to "deal" on such amount between the two of you?
*Did you handover the money or did he take it in your absence?
*How did he get access to the money?
*Did you keep safely, such large amount or did you place it "at risk"?

Like l said, to prove "Stealing", you need to show the person took your money without your consent.... without any "prior intent" to transact with such money, with the accused.
Except you can show, probably with w CCTV evidence, that he broke into a place where you stored the money safely and took it in your absence.
Otherwise, the burden of proof may become too heavy for the accuser to bear.

Just speaking from a legal perspective.


Lastpage

Hhahahaha, l agree with your post above, Lol @ CCTV evidence, hian, for Nigeria, the last time l was in Nigeria even the place l hid myself which was a highbrow area, PHCN was not constant, we were on Generator for 24 hours daily, so how will CCTV catch a thief with epileptic power supply, like l said before in agreement with what you have analysed above the claimants will have to prove beyond reasonable doubt that 5 million Naira was stolen from him, that is why l think some Nigerians do not really like their cases going through the police and the court, they prefer mob action, Tyre, petrol matches.......Lobatan