Junia:




You dont even understand the scripture uve posted
It describes the time of religion
God realised religion is not needed because no man can obey all the laws
That was why He sent Jesus(His word) to d
ie for us
That was the end of religion and Christianity started
And i dont know where u saw money being collected from the poor
We were instructed to give cheerfully not forcefully .. so anyone who doesnt do that is practisin his or her evil ways
Your religion doesnt promote violence yet ur prophet instructs you to kill unbelievers
He himself married alot of women and even a child and has given u a limit
Bro read the quran well and you will realise that mohammed is not from God
Jehovah is God
His word(Jesus) became flesh and dwelt among men. And since He is God's word, God chose to call Him His son
His Spirit is the Holy Spirit and He is with and in us (Christians) now
God is righteous and He can't live with sinners like us
Since He loves us and doesnt want to punish us .. He made His word(Jesus) die for us and bear all our punishment so that in Christ we will become righteous
Please pray to God to reveal the truth to you
He is faithful and just and unwilling that any should perish

The height of your hypocrisy can make one's hair turn grey...

u quoted from the Holy Koran and sed Islam is evil, I quoted from ur bible the evils commanded by ur God. suddenly yours is justified. Does ur God change?

And I quoted whr Jesus said only God is good, yet u found another excuse. Can't u see the evil spirits have blocked ur head and blinded u to lead u to your eternal torment in hell. And Mohammed is a prophet of Allah sent to mankind.

And i ask u again, how would the torture and bloodshed of someone forgive ur sins. why would God need to kill his son to forgive mankind. Does that make sense to u? yes it does because u were taught and indoctrinated that way so u can't reason anymore

Otem, what about you? Did you lose your religion too? I mean the doctrine of the UFOs you're so passionate about

realmindz:


The height of your hypocrisy can make one's hair turn grey...

u quoted from the Holy Koran and sed Islam is evil, I quoted from ur bible the evils commanded by ur God. suddenly yours is justified. Does ur God change?

And I quoted whr Jesus said only God is good, yet u found another excuse. Can't u see the evil spirits have blocked ur head and blinded u to lead u to your eternal torment in hell. And Mohammed is a prophet of Allah sent to mankind.

And i ask u again, how would the torture and bloodshed of someone forgive ur sins. why would God need to kill his son to forgive mankind. Does that make sense to u? yes it does because u were taught and indoctrinated that way so u can't reason anymore

There is no where in the Bible where God commanded Christians to kill
The people of that time were not born again and they were religious
Your quran commands that you should kill unbelievers
And you must know that without the shedding of blood there is no remission of sins
Christ came to suffer for us
He died .. went to hell and took the penalty for our sins
Again He rose again and went to sit at the right hand side of His Father

If i were you .. i will pray to God to reveal the truth to me
And stop following religion

realmindz:
@ junia why have u chosen to be this low in thinking and be gullible.
Islam did not promote violence and terrorism is never part of the Islam.
No true Muslim will harm anyone.

But ur religion is evil, collecting money from the poor and enriching con artist in the name of God.

I repeat, Almighty God did not beget anyone neither was he begotten, tell me how your sins can be washed away through torture and bloodshed of prophet Isa (jesus). or why should Jesus even be sacrificed in the first place before the anger of God can be appeased?

Even Jesus said

Mark 10 vs 18
"Why do you call me good?" Jesus answered. "No one is good--except God alone.
but you Christians will never hear but will continue to twist the bible for your purpose until u twist to HELL!!!

Did ur Holy bible not speak so much evil and of killings and genocides?


If your own full brother, or your son or daughter, or your beloved wife, or you intimate friend, entices you secretly to serve other gods, whom you and your fathers have not known, gods of any other nations, near at hand or far away, from one end of the earth to the other: do not yield to him or listen to him, nor look with pity upon him, to spare or shield him, but kill him. Your hand shall be the first raised to slay him; the rest of the people shall join in with you. You shall stone him to death, because he sought to lead you astray from the Lord, your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, that place of slavery. And all Israel, hearing of this, shall fear and never do such evil as this in your midst. (Deuteronomy 13:7-12 NAB)

You are preaching Islam but quoting the Bible. See who is calling another person low.

AnonyNymous:
Otem, what about you? Did you lose your religion too? I mean the doctrine of the UFOs you're so passionate about

Otemanuduno needs to answer this query

wirinet:


I wished my fore fathers had read this verse of the Bible before the Europeans brought Christianity or the Arabs their Islam and kill all the missionaries and Jihadists, Black Africans would have fared much better.

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The scripture had nothing to do with Christianity
This was the teaching of Moses
And as Christians .. we are not followers of Moses but Jesus
Jesus taught us to love everybody including our enemies
Don't be deceived .. you need to understand the Bible

Anas09:

You are preaching Islam but quoting the Bible. See who is calling another person low.

He started it preaching Christianity by quoting the Holy Koran. So is he justified while I am wrong.

Junia:
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The scripture had nothing to do with Christianity
This was the teaching of Moses
And as Christians .. we are not followers of Moses but Jesus
Jesus taught us to love everybody including our enemies
Don't be deceived .. you need to understand the Bible

The height of hypocrisy, obviously u are not proud of those parts of the bible and ve chosen to select the one that suites ur preaching.

If those parts of the bible are useless, then tear them off


Btw, you need to understand the Holy Koran and stop speaking out of ignorance. Islam is peace

Junia:
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The scripture had nothing to do with Christianity
This was the teaching of Moses
And as Christians .. we are not followers of Moses but Jesus
Jesus taught us to love everybody including our enemies
Don't be deceived .. you need to understand the Bible

The teaching of Moses had nothing to do with Christianity? and you people with not let us hear word with Malachi 3:10.

realmindz:


He started it preaching Christianity by quoting the Holy Koran. So is he justified while I am wrong.

wait a minute.... I'm confused.... you're a muslim ?

wirinet:

The teaching of Moses had nothing to do with Christianity? and you people with not let us hear word with Malachi 3:10.

lmao

wirinet:

The teaching of Moses had nothing to do with Christianity? and you people with not let us hear word with Malachi 3:10.

What i mean is .. Moses wasnt a Christian ..
Ofkos u need to pay tithe .. to show God that He was the One who provided for u

wirinet:

The teaching of Moses had nothing to do with Christianity? and you people with not let us hear word with Malachi 3:10.

lol, that's a straight punch

realmindz:


The height of hypocrisy, obviously u are not proud of those parts of the bible and ve chosen to select the one that suites ur preaching.

If those parts of the bible are useless, then tear them off

Btw, you need to understand the Holy Koran and stop speaking out of ignorance. Islam is peace

Lol
Those parts are not useless
We still learn alot from there
One cannot understand the NT without the OT
It teaches us how sin originated .. the law .. how God tried to use prophets to save mankind .. the prophecies of Jesus ... it has the key to why we need salvation etc
My point here is .. Christians are not under the law
We are to live in love for God is love
Well i dnt really understand the how you are peaceful when your prophet says you should kill unbelievers
Quran ( 9 : 123 ) – “ O you who believe! fight those of
the unbelievers who are near to you and let them
find in you hardness . ”

Wilgrea7:


wait a minute.... I'm confused.... you're a muslim ?

Junia:


What i mean is .. Moses wasnt a Christian ..
Ofkos u need to pay tithe .. to show God that He was the One who provided for u

And when did Jesus command his disciplines to pay tithe in order to show God that he was the one that provided for them.
Where was tithes made mandatory by paul or anywhere in the new testament.

Junia:




Lol
Those parts are not useless
We still learn alot from there
One cannot understand the NT without the OT
It teaches us how sin originated .. the law .. how God tried to use prophets to save mankind .. the prophecies of Jesus ... it has the key to why we need salvation etc
My point here is .. Christians are not under the law
We are to live in love for God is love
Well i dnt really understand the how you are peaceful when your prophet says you should kill unbelievers
Quran ( 9 : 123 ) – “ O you who believe! fight those of
the unbelievers who are near to you and let them
find in you hardness . ”

You are going at every length just to justify your belief. then u say ur religion is not a religion?? are u dis confused.

You said God tried to save mankind using prohoets...so God was not successful? so he had to use Jesus? How dare you blasphem God as not being able to achieve something successfully.



Deuteronomy 17
If there be found among you, within any of thy gates which the LORD thy God giveth thee, man or woman, that hath wrought wickedness in the sight of the LORD thy God, in transgressing his covenant; 17:3 And hath gone and served other gods, and worshipped them, either the sun, or moon, or any of the host of heaven, which I have not commanded; 17:4 And it be told thee, and thou hast heard of it, and enquired diligently, and, behold, it be true, and the thing certain, that such abomination is wrought in Israel; 17:5 Then shalt thou bring forth that man or that woman, which have committed that wicked thing, unto thy gates, even that man or that woman, and shalt stone them with stones, till they DIE!!!!!!.

wirinet:

And when did Jesus command his disciplines to pay tithe in order to show God that he was the one that provided for them.
Where was tithes made mandatory by paul or anywhere in the new testament.

“But woe to you Pharisees! For you tithe
mint and rue and every herb, and neglect justice
and the love of God. These you ought to have
done, without neglecting the others”
( Luke 11:42 )
Actually Jesus didnt want them to neglect the tithe
But Paul or any other apostle taught about tithing
Now .. we are to give willingly and cheerfully
Its in your hands to choose whether u will tithe or not
Bkos though the apostles didnt teach about the tithe .. they actually didnt teach against it

Well .. we need to seek guidance from the Holy Spirit concerning the issue of tithing

realmindz:


You are going at every length just to justify your belief. then u say ur religion is not a religion?? are u dis confused.

You said God tried to save mankind using prohoets...so God was not successful? so he had to use Jesus? How dare you blasphem God as not being able to achieve something successfully.



Deuteronomy 17
If there be found among you, within any of thy gates which the LORD thy God giveth thee, man or woman, that hath wrought wickedness in the sight of the LORD thy God, in transgressing his covenant; 17:3 And hath gone and served other gods, and worshipped them, either the sun, or moon, or any of the host of heaven, which I have not commanded; 17:4 And it be told thee, and thou hast heard of it, and enquired diligently, and, behold, it be true, and the thing certain, that such abomination is wrought in Israel; 17:5 Then shalt thou bring forth that man or that woman, which have committed that wicked thing, unto thy gates, even that man or that woman, and shalt stone them with stones, till they DIE!!!!!!.

Again .. this waa the time of religion
These people were under the law
Jesus loved and has taught us to love everybody including our enemies
Actually God used prophets but man was so sinful that they actually rejected them
Therefore He sent Jesus
And b4 sending Him He used prophets to announce His coming
Which they were willing to obey Him

realmindz:


You are going at every length just to justify your belief. then u say ur religion is not a religion?? are u dis confused.

You said God tried to save mankind using prohoets...so God was not successful? so he had to use Jesus? How dare you blasphem God as not being able to achieve something successfully.



Deuteronomy 17
If there be found among you, within any of thy gates which the LORD thy God giveth thee, man or woman, that hath wrought wickedness in the sight of the LORD thy God, in transgressing his covenant; 17:3 And hath gone and served other gods, and worshipped them, either the sun, or moon, or any of the host of heaven, which I have not commanded; 17:4 And it be told thee, and thou hast heard of it, and enquired diligently, and, behold, it be true, and the thing certain, that such abomination is wrought in Israel; 17:5 Then shalt thou bring forth that man or that woman, which have committed that wicked thing, unto thy gates, even that man or that woman, and shalt stone them with stones, till they DIE!!!!!!.

Anyway
Why don't u answer anytin i ask u concerning your religion
I need you to explain how u are peaceful when unbelievers are to find hardness in u

Junia:


“But woe to you Pharisees! For you tithe
mint and rue and every herb, and neglect justice
and the love of God. These you ought to have
done, without neglecting the others”
( Luke 11:42 )
Actually Jesus didnt want them to neglect the tithe
But Paul or any other apostle taught about tithing
Now .. we are to give willingly and cheerfully
Its in your hands to choose whether u will tithe or not
Bkos though the apostles didnt teach about the tithe .. they actually didnt teach against it

Well .. we need to seek guidance from the Holy Spirit concerning the issue of tithing

Notice that jesus defined what tithe should consist of. It is definitely not a 10th of your salary.

About the apostles teaching about tithes, that is a lie, willing and cheerful given is very different from modern day tithe, which is compulsorily giving your church or pastor 10% of all your earnings.

realmindz:


You are going at every length just to justify your belief. then u say ur religion is not a religion?? are u dis confused.

You said God tried to save mankind using prohoets...so God was not successful? so he had to use Jesus? How dare you blasphem God as not being able to achieve something successfully.



Deuteronomy 17
If there be found among you, within any of thy gates which the LORD thy God giveth thee, man or woman, that hath wrought wickedness in the sight of the LORD thy God, in transgressing his covenant; 17:3 And hath gone and served other gods, and worshipped them, either the sun, or moon, or any of the host of heaven, which I have not commanded; 17:4 And it be told thee, and thou hast heard of it, and enquired diligently, and, behold, it be true, and the thing certain, that such abomination is wrought in Israel; 17:5 Then shalt thou bring forth that man or that woman, which have committed that wicked thing, unto thy gates, even that man or that woman, and shalt stone them with stones, till they DIE!!!!!!.

Qur'an 3:54 —And they (the unbelievers) planned to deceive, and Allah planned to deceive (the unbelievers), and Allah is the best of deceivers .

You see this and still think allah is god when he is not
When God wants to call sam1 to be a Prophet .. will He send an Angel to treathen him and force him to read when he knows he cannot.
The Prophet said, "If anyone of you sees a dream that he likes, then it is from Allah, and he should thank Allah for it and narrate it to others; but if he sees something else, i.e., a dream that he dislikes, then it is from Satan , and he should seek refuge with Allah from its evil, and he should not mention it to anybody, for it will not harm him."
We know Muhammad did not like this dream, thinking he was demon possessed and that something terrible would happen to him. Therefore, such a dream, but
Muhammad's own criteria was from Satan.

Sahih Al-Bukhari 5765 —Aisha narrated: Magic was worked on Allah's Apostle so that he used to think that he had had sexual relations with his wives while he actually had not. Then one day he said, "O Aisha, do you know that Allah has instructed me concerning the matter I asked Him about? Two men came to me and
one of them sat near my head and the other sat near my feet. The one near my head asked the other: 'What is wrong with this man?' The latter replied, 'He is under the effect of magic.' The first one asked, 'Who has worked magic on him?' The other replied, 'Labid bin Al-Asam, a
man from Bani Zuraiq who was an ally of the Jews and was a hypocrite.' The first one asked, What material did he use?' The other replied, 'A comb and the hair stuck to it.'"

According to Qur'an 2:102, magic comes from demons. According to Qur'an 16:98-100, Satan has no power over those "who believe and put trust in their Lord," but only over those "who make a friend of him, and those who ascribe partners unto Him (Allah)." So if Satan only has power over those who befriend him and commit shirk, and black magic is demonic power over human beings, and Muhammad was a victim of black magic, then Muhammad, according to the Qur'an, must have been a friend of Satan who committed shirk! And one other thing.
Mohammee killed Kinana ibn al-Rabi and took his wife Safiyya bint Huyayy, as his own bride as his own bride. Could he come from God

Qur’an 23:1-6 —The Believers must (eventually) win through—those who humble themselves in their prayers; who avoid vain talk; who are active in deeds of charity; who abstain from sex, except with those joined to them in the marriage bond, or (the captives) whom their right hands possess—for (in their case) they are free from blame.
How is it right to have sex with the captives ??

Why should you follow sam1 who didnt even know whether he will go to Heaven or not.
Bro be wise

Did you know that the Arabic symbols for "in the name of Allah" look a lot like the number 666 in Greek? Google Allah 666 to see more on this issue.

wirinet:


Notice that jesus defined what tithe should consist of. It is definitely not a 10th of your salary.

About the apostles teaching about tithes, that is a lie, willing and cheerful given is very different from modern day tithe, which is compulsorily giving your church or pastor 10% of all your earnings.

Sorry .. was trying to say they didnt teach about the tithe
That is y i sed we need the Holy Spirit to guide us concerning this ..
But Paul sed those who preach the word should be supported by those who receive the word
Its not linked to tithing tho
Galatians 6:6 also talks about giving to the pastors
Also not tithes though

Junia:




Again .. this waa the time of religion
These people were under the law
Jesus loved and has taught us to love everybody including our enemies
Actually God used prophets but man was so sinful that they actually rejected them
Therefore He sent Jesus
And b4 sending Him He used prophets to announce His coming
Which they were willing to obey Him

So God needs to announce his arrival before coming??
And how has the coming of Jesus stopped sin?

And if Jesus father, the bible Jehovah could command deaths and killings of unbelievers, then how much his supposed son? Like I've told u, if u are not comfortable with the old testament, pls tear it off.

Islam is a peaceful religion, u need the guidance of Allah to understand the Koran. you need to allow Allah manifest and open your eyes

realmindz:


So God needs to announce his arrival before coming??
And how has the coming of Jesus stopped sin?

And if Jesus father, the bible Jehovah could command deaths and killings of unbelievers, then how much his supposed son? Like I've told u, if u are not comfortable with the old testament, pls tear it off.

Islam is a peaceful religion, u neenmd the guidance of Allah to understand the Koran. you need to allow Allah manifest and open your eyes

God made them know that the Christ is coming
The coming of Jesus has not stopped sin ... but has taken away our past sins and brought us back to God
For the unbelievers that were killed God still loved them that was y Jesus went to hell to preach to them
Do i need allah to explain kill to me
You see u couldnt say anytin abt wat i posted abt Mohammed ........
I beg u with the mercies of God to sit quietly and read it well
Pray to God to teach u the truth
I know muslims who did that and are saved now

Junia:




Sorry .. was trying to say they didnt teach about the tithe
That is y i sed we need the Holy Spirit to guide us concerning this ..
But Paul sed those who preach the word should be supported by those who receive the word
Its not linked to tithing tho
Galatians 6:6 also talks about giving to the pastors
Also not tithes though

I observed you are someone that shy away from the truth. That's the height of hypocrisy.

Out of the Moses laws of burnt offerings and all, u claim to have done away with them but the only one that involves money is what U still keep and are desperate in justifying.

And it's even funnier that tithe was never money in the bible but food products. Is herb money? Do u eat money? They said eat your tithe (agricultural produce) and it's no figurative expression

Can't u see that Christianity is the root of religious thieving


Deuteronomy 14:22-29
Be sure to set aside a tenth of all that your fields produce each year. Eat the tithe of your grain, new wine and olive oil, and the firstborn of your herds and flocks in the presence of the LORD your God at the place he will choose as a dwelling for his Name, so that you may learn to revere the
LORD your God always. But if that place is too distant and you have been blessed by the LORD your God and cannot carry your tithe (because the place where the LORD will choose to put his Name is so far away),
then exchange your tithe for silver, and take the silver with you and go to the place the LORD your God will choose. Use the silver to buy whatever you like: cattle, sheep, wine or other fermented drink, or anything you wish. Then you and your household shall eat there in the presence of the LORD your God and rejoice. And do not neglect the Levites living in your towns, for they have no allotment or inheritance of their own.

realmindz:

I observed you are someone that shy away from the truth. That's the height of hypocrisy.

Out of the Moses laws of burnt offerings and all, u claim to have done away with them but the only one that involves money is what U still keep and are desperate in justifying.

And it's even funnier that tithe was never money in the bible but food products. Is herb money? Do u eat money? They said eat your tithe (agricultural produce) and it's no figurative expression

Can't u see that Christianity is the root of religious thieving

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Deuteronomy 14:22-29
Be sure to set aside a tenth of all that your fields produce each year. Eat the tithe of your grain, new wine and olive oil, and the firstborn of your herds and flocks in the presence of the LORD your God at the place he will choose as a dwelling for his Name, so that you may learn to revere the
LORD your God always. But if that place is too distant and you have been blessed by the LORD your God and cannot carry your tithe (because the place where the LORD will choose to put his Name is so far away),
then exchange your tithe for silver, and take the silver with you and go to the place the LORD your God willhh choose. Use the silver to buy whatever you like: cattle, hh sheep, wine or other fermented drink, or anything you wish. Then you and your shall eat there in thehh presence of the LORD your God and rejoice. And do not neglect the Levites living in your towns, for they have no allotment or inheritance of their own.

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From my quote i never said tithe was money
Im indeed learning from wat u re sayin
Tho i havent enquired more about tithing
And Christianity is not a religion

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realmindz:

I observed you are someone that shy away from the truth. That's the height of hypocrisy.

Out of the Moses laws of burnt offerings and all, u claim to have done away with them but the only one that involves money is what U still keep and are desperate in justifying.

And it's even funnier that tithe was never money in the bible but food products. Is herb money? Do u eat money? They said eat your tithe (agricultural produce) and it's no figurative expression

Can't u see that Christianity is the root of religious thieving


Deuteronomy 14:22-29
Be sure to set aside a tenth of all that your fields produce each year. Eat the tithe of your grain, new wine and olive oil, and the firstborn of your herds and flocks in the presence of the LORD your God at the place he will choose as a dwelling for his Name, so that you may learn to revere the
LORD your God always. But if that place is too distant and you have been blessed by the LORD your God and cannot carry your tithe (because the place where the LORD will choose to put his Name is so far away),
then exchange your tithe for silver, and take the silver with you and go to the place the LORD your God will choose. Use the silver to buy whatever you like: cattle, sheep, wine or other fermented drink, or anything you wish. Then you and your household shall eat there in the presence of the LORD your God and rejoice. And do not neglect the Levites living in your towns, for they have no allotment or inheritance of their own.

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I personally agree with u though
We are no longer under the law
And the early Christians never taught about tithe

Junia:

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I personally agree with u though
We are no longer under the law
And the early Christians never taught about tithe

Thanks for agreeing to presented facts instead of arguing unreasonably like a lot of other Christians here on nairaland. I admire your type of Christianity who does not dogmatically follow their pastors sheepishly against all logic.

New age Christianity has made Christianity and salvation all about tithes and offerings. Without tithes and offerings, these pastors would close their churches and look for other businesses to do. Tithes has been elevated to the most important (if not the only) road to salvation.

wirinet:


Thanks for agreeing to presented facts instead of arguing unreasonably like a lot of other Christians here on nairaland. I admire your type of Christianity who does not dogmatically follow their pastors sheepishly against all logic.

New age Christianity has made Christianity and salvation all about tithes and offerings. Without tithes and offerings, these pastors would close their churches and look for other businesses to do. Tithes has been elevated to the most important (if not the only) road to salvation.

That is were most of them eat from
Buh they should rather base it on Galatians 6:6 and not tithe

realmindz:


He started it preaching Christianity by quoting the Holy Koran. So is he justified while I am wrong.

So, all this venom you have been vomiting its because u r a muslim? Ah, why didn't i guess? Islam with atheists, Sugar and Ant.

hopefulLandlord:


Otemanuduno needs to answer this query

First of all, what is religion? I think religion means the way people worship their gods.
If that is the meaning of religion, then I can simply say that I am not religious but I am spiritual, because I don't worship any god.